Let’s Not Allow Carrie Prejean To Become The Right’s Dixie Chicks

You all remember the Dixie Chicks, right? Marginally talented country pop band that saw its career implode when loud-mouthed lead singer Natalie Maines decided to do a little on-stage Bush bashing? The most annoying thing about that whole stupid mess was the Dixie Chicks claiming post career implosion that their free speech rights were being trampled. They weren’t, really. The Dixie Chicks certainly had (and still have) the right to say whatever they want to about politics and any other topic under the sun. It’s just that their erstwhile fans also have the right to not buy their albums or go to their concerts.
That’s how free societies work. We all have freedom, but the cost of that freedom is being responsible for the consequences of engaging in it.
This comes to mind as I hear Sarah Palin (who decided, for some reason, to jump into the fray) defend Carrie Prejean on a constitutional basis.

Carrie Prejean, the Miss California beauty queen who found herself embroiled in a national scandal after making remarks critical of same sex marriage, received an unlikely endorsement Wednesday night. Her defender? Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin.
In a statement, Palin said Prejean had been unfairly maligned by “the liberal onslaught of malicious attacks.”
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Palin said she “can relate as a liberal target myself,” and — not surprisingly– turned the focus on President Barack Obama.
“What I find so remarkable is that these politically-motivated attacks fail to show that what Carrie and I believe is also what President Obama and Secretary Clinton believe — marriage is between a man and a woman,” Palin said.
“I respect Carrie for standing strong and staying true to herself,” Palin continued, “and for not letting those who disagree with her deny her protection under the nation’s First Amendment Rights.”

Now, for the most part I agree with Palin. I actually don’t agree with Prejean (or Palin, Obama or Hillary Clinton) on gay marriage. I think gays should be allowed to marry. But I also think the attempts to tar and feather Prejean for what amounts to a respectfully stated opinion in answer to an asked question are stupid. And, frankly, does a lot more damage to the cause of homosexuals and their supporters than good.
But invoking the constitution here is inappropriate. Prejean is not being denied free speech. She’s being criticized. That’s what happens in a free society. You’re free to state opinions. Other people are free to state opinions about you.
Let’s not turn Carrie Prejean into the right’s Dixie Chicks.

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The Chix had what? six number one singles on the country charts? “Not ready to make nice” went as high as #36?

    Wasn’t their Grammy win in 2006? It’s 2009. Have they even been nominated for a Grammy since? I don’t think so.

    Where have they been? I listen to all sorts of stations as I travel. A few country stations have put their older stuff back in the oldies rotation. That’s about it.

  • Michael

    Rob, sorry but the Dixie Chicks had DEATH THREATS sent to them for their one sentence. That does not fall under freedom of speech. Don’t worry by the way, the Dixie Chicks are back stronger than ever esp. with their Grammy win. So those “marginally talented” singers are doing just fine. Hope you’re enjoying political wilderness.

  • Dino2

    I smell more constem victimhood stench. Actually, it’s more the anticipation of victimhood this time but victimhood all the same.

  • docdave

    “Marriage” should be a religious arrangement.

    It already is and has been thus for thousands of years. More so marriage, the bonding of a man with a women, is a necessary societal mores intended to anchor a family giving parential consistency for the rearing of children.

  • Hawk

    As for the first amendment: If you really want to dither about semantics: Congress cannot make laws hindering your free speach, but state legislatures sure can….

    The 14th amendment applies the 1st amendment to the states.

  • robert108

    What does affirming real marriage have to do with the Dixie Chicks dissing President Bush overseas?

  • nash

    I’m not a lawyer, but I think there are statutes like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and others that protect an individual’s civil rights and/or liberties from anyone, including private citizens. That’s why the KKK can’t go after blacks and prohibit them from voting.

    Otherwise, I, as a private individual, could violate Rob’s civil rights and force him to shut his pie hole, convert to Scientology, move into his basement, strip search him, and whip him with a leather strap on a daily basis (tho’ he might like that last part). Oh, and take his collection of guns too.

  • Bat One

    Have I mentioned that I think she is an attractive Young Lady??

    Gene,

    Your talent for understatement is noted, Sir.

  • robert108

    Depending on how far one individual goes to limit somebody elses speech you might have a tort.

    Again, you try to change the subject. Your schoolboy insults absent any facts or logic show you have no case, and are just spewing inarticulate hate, as usual. The homo terrorists are trying to silence her, and you prance around that with some bullshit. Shame on you!
    As is usual for you lefties, the homo terrorists are spitting on our Constitution, and you try to pose as an expert, while ignoring the obvious.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    There’s a marked distinction between the two situations:

    DIXIE CHICKS – they essentially stepped outside their vocations as singing entertainment and assumed the role of Leftist activists. The did not stop to consider that most Country music fans are pro-military, pro-Americans. Bush, as C-in-C, was taking the fight to the enemy. We were kicking ass and taking names, even if the Left loathed and despised these facts and completely misrepresented the reasons for our involvement and the successes we were having.

    The Dixie Chicks should have known that they were potentially stepping on a political landmine, considering the demographics of their audience. They didn’t.

    They voluntarily alienated their audience and paid the price. No governmental action from either the Dixie Chicks nor the embargoing listeners.

    The Dixie Chicks voluntarily thrust themselves in a direction that their fans neither expected nor wanted.

    CARRIE PREJEAN – color me naive, but I thought the exhibition and judging of extremely beautiful women was a STRAIGHT thing — why is a homosexual judging Heterosexual women??? Perez Hilton, a rabid homosexual operative, somehow finagled his way into a position judging Heterosexual women.

    Carrie was as meek as she could be, but still held to the very polite assertion that marriage was between a man and a woman.

    Hilton DELIBERATELY ASKED a loaded question, and when he did not get the answer he wanted, threw a flaming, hissing and spitting tantrum — and made damn sure that he torpedoed her chances at the crown.

    Homosexual activists continued on their hateful vendetta and sought to strip her of her crown by engaging in the politics of personal destruction, digging up her past and alleging it was the basis for their actions, when in fact it was clear to all that this was Homo Payback.

    This clearly illustrates that the homosexuals who whine and plead for tolerance are the most intolerant little Nazis of the modern age.

    Homosexuals don’t want tolerance — they want all opposition destroyed. They want religion destroyed. They want Middle American morals destroyed. They mean to have conventional marriage destroyed.

    Carrie Prejean was set up as an example to others
    — if you don’t toe the homosexual party line — you will be destroyed. It is naked intimidation and vindictiveness.

    A fine example that Leftists and homosexuals can never be entrusted with any sort of authority. They will always abuse it and wield it as a cudgel against any dissent whatso ever.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    The Dixie Chicks had talent…..what does Prejean have except fake ones?

    Character. Moral bravery. Integrity.

    Those things would escape you, since you are bereft of those qualities, and thus completely beyond your comprehension.

    You, being an infantile narcissist of questionable sexuality and saddled with 7th grade reasoning skills, could not possibly fathom what Carrie Prejean has done.

    Some seek greatness, others have it thrust upon them.

    Carrie was there to win a beauty contest.

    Then came a loaded question from an extremely biased individual who was sitting in judgment over her.

    If she had been a completely self-centered opportunist, she would have readily given the answer that would have led to fame and fortune.

    Instead, she stuck to her principles and told the truth, and has suffered a bile-storm of hatred from intolerant homosexuals and their cheerleaders.

    She never backed down. Always held her high in the fray, even as others resorted to character assassination.

    Moreover she has come back and is campaigning for Free Speech — not the sort that is protected by the First Amendment, but the very important, non-governmental kind.

    The kind which has come under assault in recent years — in the schools, in the workplace and in every interpersonal transaction.

    The Left has made it their policy to correct anyone who says the wrong things.

    Carrie is taking a stand on this issue, and I salute her for it. She’s not just a beautiful smile and titties.

    This young lady has spine.

  • http://northerngleaner.blogspot.com/ Gene

    Have I mentioned that I think she is an attractive Young Lady??

  • docdave

    So the left’s reaction to Prejean is based on what then…she’s too pretty or something?

    Rob, you know that the left can’t stand anyone that doesn’t preach their party line. It doesn’t matter whether ones pretty or not. Look at Garfola’s attempts to discredit the tea parties which isn’t much different from the left trying to discredit Prejean.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    the Dixie Chicks are back stronger than ever

    I hate to interrupt your fantasy with hard, cold facts, but do you have any idea how many recordings they’ve sold in the last year compared with the height of their popularity?

    Or does “stronger than ever” refer to a personal hygiene problem?

  • sayanything-5371

    Zig, you nailed it here:

    CARRIE PREJEAN – color me naive, but I thought the exhibition and judging of extremely beautiful women was a STRAIGHT thing–why is a homosexual judging Heterosexual women??? Perez Hilton, a rabid homosexual operative, somehow finagled his way into a position judging Heterosexual women.
    Carrie was as meek as she could be, but still held to the very polite assertion that marriage was between a man and a woman.
    Hilton DELIBERATELY ASKED a loaded question, and when he did not get the answer he wanted, threw a flaming, hissing and spitting tantrum–and made damn sure that he torpedoed her chances at the crown.
    Homosexual activists continued on their hateful vendetta and sought to strip her of her crown by engaging in the politics of personal destruction, digging up her past and alleging it was the basis for their actions, when in fact it was clear to all that this was Homo Payback.
    This clearly illustrates that the homosexuals who whine and plead for tolerance are the most intolerant little Nazis of the modern age.

    How did a fruit get to judge a beauty pageant? That had to be a set up.

  • robert108

    Here’s the difference, Rob: None of the crap the lefties are pulling on Carrie has anything to do with arguing with what she said, which would be a consequence of free speech. Instead, they are attacking her for saying it, which is an attempt to intimidate her from using her free speech rights to state her opinion in defending real marriage. Instead of making an affirmative argument for redefining marriage to include homosexual unions, they are taking shots at the messenger.
    Big difference.
    Then, there is the homo terrorism that went on in CA to try to overturn the will of the people….

  • robert108

    No, I’m pretty sure it’s because she’s opposed to gay marriage.

    Thanks for making my point, Rob; they, and you, apparently, want to punish everyone who doesn’t agree with your ideology. Instead of making a counter argument, they’re trying to destroy her for saying something they don’t want said. Why aren’t you supporting her freedom to support real marriage, Rob? Are you “anti-freedom”? BTW, she didn’t “oppose gay marriage”, she supported and affirmed real marriage. Try to be honest.

    Hawk: You just don’t get it; Congress shall make no law… doesn’t deal with what private citizens do, by definition. Again, you’re free to spew your hate, and I’m free to refute you. I’m not free to assault you to prevent you from speaking, either physically or otherwise. I’ll just keep repeating this until you and Rob get it.
    They have no right to prevent Carrie from speaking her truth, especially in answer to a question.
    She wasn’t even being an activist here; the homo activist got smacked with his own hate when he asked the question. He thought she would be too intimidated by the homo propaganda assault on real marriage to support real marriage, but she smacked him with the truth, and he went into a frenzy of hate.

  • Hawk

    If you scream your leftie hatred in the public square, I can refute what you say; that’s freedom against freedom. If I try to make you stop saying it, instead of making a counter argument, then I’m depriving you of your Constitutional right of free speech.
    Get the difference?

    I get that you don’t understand the Constitution. Let’s review:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Notice how the first line says “Congress shall make no law…” Violagion of the free speech provision of the first amendment requires government action. If you want to be a strict constructionist it would be only Congress that could infringe on the first amendment, but nobody holds that anymore.

  • andophiroxia

    The people that have engaged with her response aren’t really open to debating. They’ve been resorting to personal attack.

    Not one of them has come forward to give a differing and coherent standpoint. They just tried digging every little piece of dirt they could find on her to distract from the main point: Her answering a politically charged question that was inappropriate for Miss America.

    Palin well understands this. They drug her family into it as well.

  • Hannitized

    The Dixie Chicks had talent…..what does Prejean have except fake ones?

  • robert108

    Again, Rob, the “criticism”(a euphemism for intimidation) has been about her saying it, not about the content of what she said. I’ll keep repeating this vital difference until you get it.

  • robert108

    So the left’s reaction to Prejean is based on what then…she’s too pretty or something?

    Are you just playing dumb? They are violently and hatefully unhappy that she spoke for real marriage. Thought that was obvious. They just hate anyone who doesn’t toe their party line. Notice they never make an affirmative argument for the change they want to impose on us.

  • docdave

    I smell more constem victimhood stench

    You really should bath more often.

  • robert108

    So? It doesn’t make it a constitutional issue.

    Wrong again! The homo activists are trying to deprive her of her Constitutional right to free speech; they’re not making any valid argument against what she said; they’re trying to keep her from saying it by intimidation and smear.
    If you scream your leftie hatred in the public square, I can refute what you say; that’s freedom against freedom. If I try to make you stop saying it, instead of making a counter argument, then I’m depriving you of your Constitutional right of free speech.
    Get the difference?
    You lefties are just so used to getting your way with violence, you just don’t notice what you’re doing anymore.

  • Karen

    How would you feel if Carrie was banned from speaking to the media and her fans, banned from modeling, banned from being Miss California, had her career destroyed and was banned by those who own media outlets as they disagree with what she said, how would you feel if her and her family received death threats. When Carrie has suffered through any of the above, then you can compare Carrie to the Dixie Chicks, until then don’t bother.
    I would even go so far as to say that what’s happened to Carrie has been been constitutionally correct, she used her free speech, those that disagreed are able to, and she hasn’t suffered at all, she’s still Miss California, and is now a household name….

  • http://sonofasillyperson.blogspot.com/ sonofasillyperson

    The government needs to get out of the marrying business.

    This is the most idiotic argument that is used in this type of debate. So does that mean that there should be no laws against a man marrying his 13 year-old, autistic daughter? How about a woman marrying her bedridden octogenarian father? Groups of 5 or more people?

    Are you trying to argue that the government has no business drawing a morally-based line on what types of relationships it will give legal recognition to? Clearly there is SOME call for government to refuse to endorse certain types of relationships. Where that line is, not whether there should be a line or not, is the debate.

    Anyone who takes such an absolutist, simplistic stand on a controversial issue doesn’t really understand the issue. It’s controversial because there isn’t a clear answer. Navtechie, I appreciate your comments about government involvement inciting civil unrest. I quite agree with that point, actually. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t tough issues that require governments to take stands on.

    And for the record, before any of you get any ideas about saying I’m equating gay relationships with pedophilia or incest, don’t, because I’m not. The obvious immorality of those types of relationships merely demonstrate my point that some kind of morally-based delineation needs to be legislated. I recognize that gay marriage is in a gray area, and that there are legitimate, respectable arguments to be made for both sides. Once again, that’s why there’s such heated controversy on this issue.

  • robert108

    BTW, the Dixie Chicks used their captive audience to broadcast their hate for the President, while Carrie was responding to a question. Just one of many reasons why your comparison isn’t accurate.

  • navtechie

    The government needs to get out of the marrying business.

    “Marriage” should be a religious arrangement.

    Continuous lengthy cohabitation should, absent a contract to the contrary, be a default contract laying out certain rights as would a common-law marriage. Apart from that, the government should have nothing to say.

    The controversy over gay marriage should be a lesson to everyone who wants the government to do more in society. With every disagreement there comes a reason for political unrest.

    The more government interference you have in a civil society, the less civilized and the less peaceful the society becomes.

    As for the first amendment: If you really want to dither about semantics: Congress cannot make laws hindering your free speach, but state legislatures sure can….

  • andophiroxia

    Yeah, usually Handjob asks for herpes as a PREREQUISITE to bed a woman as we know in another thread.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Thanks Will,

    Oh yes, and this:

    How did a fruit get to judge a beauty pageant?

    I have a personal anecdote which mercifully had remained hidden in the deep recesses of my mind until this very moment!

    Back in the mid-1990′s I had occasion to run into two guys whom I later learned were actually a homo couple (and yes — BOY was I EVER naive! )

    There were clues which only later dawned on me as being clues — for instance, their place was decorated not like any guy’s place I had ever been to, but exquisitely decorated, complete with corner-shelf knick-knacks and fragrant plants.

    The second clue was that there was a program on TV involving a contest of guys dressed up like Marylin Monroe and other classic female stars. I think another was Judy Garland.

    These guys went absolutely giddy when one of the contestants came out and did a very good imitation on stage of how Marilyn minced, grinned and smooched for the camera.

    I was not really paying attention and was more mystified than anything else. (Huhhh? )

    Later I learned that for many homosexuals, they have a real problem with gender identity.

    It’s all that woman-trapped-in-a-man’s-body crap (as opposed to the more aspirational a-woman-trapped-in-my-bedroom thingy)

    Could it be a case of VAGINA ENVY????

  • Hawk

    Instead, they are attacking her for saying it, which is an attempt to intimidate her from using her free speech rights to state her opinion in defending real marriage.

    So? It doesn’t make it a constitutional issue. Unless the government interferes with her right than it is not a constitutional issue. You are free to defend her as vehemenantly as those who attack her. That is the marketplace of ideas. It could be more civilized.

    BTW, careerwise, best thing that ever happened to her.

  • sayanything-4625

    That does not fall under freedom of speech. Don’t worry by the way, the Dixie Chicks are back stronger than ever esp. with their Grammy win. So those “marginally talented” singers are doing just fine. Hope you’re enjoying political wilderness.

    What are you worrying about then? If they are better than ever!!!! then they don’t need you defending them.

    http://www.dixiechicks.com/06_ontour.asp

    Here’s their 2006 tour schedule! Make sure you go see them!

    http://www.frontpagepublicity.com/dixiechicks/

    Here’s their latest press release. I’ll give you the highlights!

    Not Found

    The requested URL /dixiechicks/ was not found on this server.

    Your right Micheal! They’re kicking ass!

  • Lioncourt

    Hawk: You just don’t get it; Congress shall make no law… doesn’t deal with what private citizens do, by definition. Again, you’re free to spew your hate, and I’m free to refute you. I’m not free to assault you to prevent you from speaking, either physically or otherwise. I’ll just keep repeating this until you and Rob get it.

    You are dumber than a stump. Depending on how far one individual goes to limit somebody elses speech you might have a tort. What you cannot have is a constitutional argument.

    You claim to be a great defender of the constitution, yet you don’t even understand it.

  • Bat One

    Character. Moral bravery. Integrity.

    Zig,

    Its noy much of a surprise that Hannitized didn’t recognize these character traits.

  • http://dougeefargo.blogspot.com/ dougee

    Rob, how did Carrie cause this thing to happen like the Dixie Chicks? This whole thing started because a militant gay activist wanted to smear a 21 year old beauty pageant contestant.

    She told the truth and stood up for herself when Perez “fag” Hilton called her horrible names on his blog. She didn’t ask to be asked that question.

    And for those of you lefties I usually don’t use that term to describe gay people. But Perez Hilton is a fag.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Again, Rob, the “criticism”(a euphemism for intimidation) has been about her saying it, not about the content of what she said.

    No, I’m pretty sure it’s because she’s opposed to gay marriage.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Rob, how did Carrie cause this thing to happen like the Dixie Chicks? This whole thing started because a militant gay activist wanted to smear a 21 year old beauty pageant contestant.

    Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. Speaking out publicly invites others to speak back. Prejean made herself a public figure. In a free society, criticism is what goes with it.

    If you want to say that much of the criticism has been mean-spirited and hateful, I’ll agree, but free speech means free speech.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Here’s the difference, Rob: None of the crap the lefties are pulling on Carrie has anything to do with arguing with what she said, which would be a consequence of free speech.

    So the left’s reaction to Prejean is based on what then…she’s too pretty or something?

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