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Saturday, October 13, 2007

Legality Of Abortion Doesn’t Change Number Of Abortions?

This according to a study by the World Health Organization, the same group responsible for that highly inaccurate study on global life expectancies, and published in the Lancet Journal, the same publication responsible for those atrociously incorrect civilian death counts in Iraq.

LONDON - Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published Friday.

In a study examining abortion trends from 1995 to 2003, experts also found that abortion rates are virtually equal in rich and poor countries, and that half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe.

The study was done by Gilda Sedgh of the Guttmacher Institute in the United States and colleagues from the World Health Organization. It was published in an edition of The Lancet medical journal devoted to maternal health.

“The legal status of abortion has never dissuaded women and couples, who, for whatever reason, seek to end pregnancy,” Beth Fredrick of the International Women’s Health Coalition in the U.S. said in an accompanying commentary.

I find this highly improbable.

Before we get into numbers, let’s use our common sense.  In most of the free world laws respecting things like abortion are more or less the result of each nation’s popular opinions about it.  In nations where abortion is frowned upon by the society it tends to have more legal restrictions on it than in countries where abortion doesn’t carry as much of a stigma (except in America where abortion is legal not through the will of the people but rather through the will of Supreme Court justices who decided rather arbitrarily that killing your unborn child should be a “right").  Thus laws are tighter in countries in the Latin America region, where access to abortions are highly restricted, than in Europe where abortions actually outnumber live births.

So it seems more than a little absurd to say the legality of abortion has no impact on the number of abortions performed.  Laws reflect social standards and opinions, and in places where social standards and opinions frown on abortion you’re going to see fewer of those procedures.  This is just plain common sense.

And it’s born out by the article itself:

In eastern Europe, there are more abortions than live births: 105 abortions for every 100 live births, the research found. In Western Europe, there are 23 abortions for every 100 live births.

In North America, there are 33 abortions for every 100 live births, while in Africa, where abortion is illegal in most countries, there are 17 abortions for every 100 live births.

This data destroys the very premise of the study.  In Africa abortion is illegal in most places, so there are fewer abortions.  In Western Europe (Spain and Portugal, for instance, have very strict abortion laws) there are fewer abortions.  Eastern Europe where abortion laws are more liberal?  More abortions.

In short, this study doesn’t say what the people who published it say it does.  But that doesn’t stop headlines like the one above this article ("Legal status doesn’t deter abortion") from being published all over the place.

The real problem here is that the people behind the study themselves have an agenda:

“The continuing high incidence of unsafe abortion in developing countries represents a public health crisis and a human rights atrocity,” Fredrick wrote.

Right.  The number of people who have unsafe abortions is the “human rights atrocity.” Not the millions of babies who actually get aborted every year.

Objective?  Dispassionate?  Not even a little bit.

(via Dakota Women)

Comments

In eastern Europe, there are more abortions than live births: 105 abortions for every 100 live births, the research found.

Eurosocialism is a death wish culture; why do the Dems want us to go that way?


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on October 13, 2007 at 08:04 am

I don’t understand how “Women’s Health” equals killing babies. Since more babies are born girls than boys, this doesn’t strike me as very healthy.

likwidshoe on October 13, 2007 at 09:48 am

likwid: You really don’t expect anything the lefties advocate to make sense, do you?


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on October 13, 2007 at 09:55 am

Mister, you need to check your math.

Abortion rates are not measured in comparison to live births, they are measured in comparison to numbers of women of child bearing age. You are engaging in the very slight of had we on the right always accuse the left of.

For instance, just using North America and Africa as examples, if four times as many African women have live births as North American women, then the numbers would be 68 for Africa (where abortion is illegal) and 33 for North America (where it is legal).

While the American (christian) Right is wrapped around the axel with this abortion issue - Satan is laughing big time as he progressively makes the US into a totalitarian state with the aims of making Christianity itself illegal.

And PS: the article referenced at the very beginning of this is not about life expectancies, and was not inaccurate on that account. It was innacurate on what that data meant about our health care system.


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T-Rex on October 14, 2007 at 05:45 am
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Rob, some more thoughts:

1.  The study is not by anyone with the UN, but rather by the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute.

2.  It’s using the wrong units; as T-Rex points out, the right unit is abortions/woman of childbearing age, not abortions/live births. 

3.  How exactly are we to get a good measure of how often people do something that’s illegal?  This is exhibit A for “reporting bias,” IMO.

4.  When (see #2) the right units are used, it becomes quite apparent that ready access to contraception (as is in the U.S., Europe, and old Warsaw Pact nations) does NOT reduce the # of abortions/woman of childbearing age.

5.  A final issue is that the study does not appear to control for economic status of women having abortions; given that this is a prime driver for the behavior, failure to control for this invalidates the whole study.

But what else would we expect from Planned Infanticide?  Actual use of good statistics?  I’ll be waiting on that one.

Bike Bubba on October 15, 2007 at 10:19 am
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Good points, but I’d note that the study was done jointly by the WHO and the Guttermarch institute.


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Rob on October 15, 2007 at 11:45 am

The meaning of the word ASSUME.

Good Grief. 
Did you just ASSUME I was taking your side?

In fact the numbers (if you actually look closely at them, and not come with the pre-determined idea that you are right) support the other side. 

Making abortion illegal does nothing to slow them down, and making birth control available does a lot to reduce abortion numbers.

TRex


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T-Rex on October 15, 2007 at 03:48 pm
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T-Rex, that may be your opinion, but when we realize the methodological difficulties and what happens when we start to use the right units, we don’t find that.  We find a that abortion rates track slightly positively with contraceptive availability, and positively with legality.

I also find that Guttmacher was exaggerating U.S. abortion rates (per live birth) by about a third.  Again, the credibility of this “study” is “nil.”

Bike Bubba on October 15, 2007 at 04:06 pm

Well, OK, if he was fudging the numbers, that would give a totally false result.  But my point was that the numbers in the article cited do not support the conclusions that Rob drew from them - they support the conclusions the author drew.  I have not seen the original study - only the cited articles and a couple other similar articles.  You have to subscribe to the Lancet to get access to the study itself, as far as I can tell.  Reading the study itself could possibly reveal all kinds of flaws, but I don’t plan to go the the trouble and expense to do that, as I have more important fish to fry in this war.

TRex


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T-Rex on October 16, 2007 at 10:22 am
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T-Rex, when those promoting the study use the wrong units, there really isn’t any reason to purchase a subscription to the Lancet.  You just have to realize that Lancet’s peer review process appears to be broken, and badly so.

Bike Bubba on October 16, 2007 at 12:16 pm
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