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Sunday, September 24, 2006

Leaked Intelligence Memo: War In Iraq Making Us Less Safe

So the New York Times (who else?) has gotten its hands on a National Intelligence Estimate memo which states, at least according to the Times, that the war in Iraq has made the problem of Islamic terrorism worse.

As you can imagine, this revelation (if you can call it that) is a dream come true for the media/Democrats who have been pushing the idea that the war in Iraq has made us less safe for years now.  But before there is a rush to judgment over this, let’s consider a few things.

First, let’s remember that the folks in charge creating this memo are the same people who botched it when it came to determining whether or not there were WMD’s in Iraq.  Let’s also remember that many of the folks in the intelligence community are no allies of the Bush administration or America’s current foreign policy.  In support of that, consider how this memo made its way to the public.  It wasn’t released through official channels, it was leaked illegally by “several officials” who were involved in preparing the document.  Now I think we can safely assume that the people who did the leaking in this instance have an agenda, and that agenda is clearly to undermine our foreign policy in Iraq.  And if we can assume that the leak of this memo was agenda-driven how far do we have to go to believe that it was authored with a particular agenda in mind as well?

Not very far.

The point everyone will miss in the rush to judge the war in Iraq with this information is the fact that, yet again, government bureaucrats have worked in collusion with the media to undermine the foreign policy decisions of the leader the American people have elected to make those decisions.

During the President’s term in office a lot of his critics have made ominous comments about his alleged abuse of his office’s power, but what scares me more than any talk of a President “out of control” is the reality we see put front and center by the leak of this memo: The real power grab is coming from the media and their like-minded allies entrenched in our government’s bureaucracies.  By printing these agenda-driven leak stories they are seeking to usurp power from our elected leaders and influence American policies so that they are more in line with their own preferences.

These journalists even want a shield law to protect them and their sources from ever being held accountable for leaking/publishing classified information.  Making a decisions about classified information is a responsibility we assign to our elected leaders, not to unelected bureaucrats or reporters with agendas.

As for the information in this intelligence memo, my reaction is: So what?  Even if we are creating more terrorists in Iraq (I have little doubt that our occupation of that country is a good recruiting tool for the Islamic fascists), does that mean we should pull out?  Would not the idea that the terrorists have driven the “infidels” from Iraq be an even more powerful recruiting tool than are current presence in Iraq?  Of course it would, and such a victory for the terrorists would undoubtedly embolden them to plot and launch more attacks on the west.  Just as America’s retreat from Somalia in the early 1990’s (along with other foreign policy blunders) prompted Osama bin Laden and his gang of ghouls to plot and execute the 9/11 attacks, so would a retreat from Iraq spark a shift in the war from the middle east back to our shores.

It is exactly what they want, folks.  They want us to pull out.  They want to move the war from their homes to ours.  We are fighting them there so that we don’t have to fight them here.

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hey, Rob, how do we know that Bush didn’t leak er, um, I mean want it released?

Puzzlefeet on September 24, 2006 at 07:51 am
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Two questions to put this into context:

One: If there are favorable memos, are they leaked?

Two: If there were favorable memos, and they were leaked, would the NYT report them(or selected parts of them)?

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 07:51 am
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P: I hate to break this to you, but the President can’t “leak”, by definition.  He doesn’t have to.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 07:54 am
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Robert, great points that meant to make in the post.

If there are leaks going on that put favorable data for the administration in the public arena we certainly don’t hear much about them, which is why this one-sided media of ours is so dangerous.  As I pointed out in the post, they are using these leaks to manipulate the foreign policy put forth by our elected leaders.  They are unelected, agenda-drive partisans but they are manipulating our foreign policy.

That’s not a good thing.


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Rob on September 24, 2006 at 07:55 am
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Rob: Exactly, and they have been at it since Republicans started to win again in 1994.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 08:13 am
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Always blaming someone else huh, r108. That’s sad, really sad.

If there are leaks going on that put favorable data for the administration in the public arena we certainly don’t hear much about them…

Maybe it’s because those stories are just not there.

What did the report about Al- Anbar province include?
What did the revised July/August body count show?
What does this new report (allegedly) expose?
What does the proposed Baghdad moat portend?
What does the increased troop levels in Baghdad tell you?
What does 5th rotation mean?
When gop pols tell us we needed more troops going in, what do you think?
When huge weapons depots were looted you…..?
When our president tells us that there were Iraq had no WMD…
When a lot of Iraq vets come back and run as Democrats….
When bush wants the torture bill to be retro active…
When there are billions and billions of tax dollars missing in Iraq…
When Raytheon gets to keep a contract, even when an Israeli firm has a better product – available NOW…

Stay the course, Freedumb is on the march.

realitybasedbob on September 24, 2006 at 08:34 am
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Nice cherry-pick, rbb; you make my point.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 08:38 am
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That was just the low hanging fruit, big boy.

You make my point.

realitybasedbob on September 24, 2006 at 08:53 am
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rbb: Lefties are the “low hanging fruit”, and everyone knows that.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 08:56 am
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Rob:
“They want us to pull out”

Since there many factions fighting in Iraq let’s look at that statement:
Certainly Al Queda would like us to pull out. They’re an outside influence and probably would exploit the propaganda possiblities if we left.  The Sunnis who at first wanted us out now seem to want us to stay to protect them from the Shiite death squads, all the while still supporting an insurgency which is killing our troops. 
Some of the Shiites want us to stay (at least Al Maliki does) but some of them (al Sadr) want us to go (probably so he can go on murdering Sunnis) Meanwhile he too is killing Americans.
The Kurds seem to want us to stay, probably to protect them from the other two sects.
It’s a complex problem and I’m not sure how it’s going to resolve itself.

gregdn on September 24, 2006 at 09:55 am
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It won’t “resolve itself” by us cutting and running, that’s for sure, which was Rob’s point, I think.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 09:58 am
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Since no known copy of this “memo” exists, and the NYT is the only source of what it says, why should we regard it as anything other than a fabrication?  That would seem to be the sensible thing to do.  Of course, they need time to make the phony one that will(they hope) be undetectable as phony this time.  Good Luck!

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 01:45 pm
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yeah, right,R108, Bush/Cheney/Rove are all over the media today claiming what you are asserting.  The silence is deafening.

puzzlefeet on September 24, 2006 at 02:28 pm

"realitybased"bob said, Stay the course, Freedumb is on the march.

Of course you’d characterize it as such.

puzzlefeet said, yeah, right,R108, Bush/Cheney/Rove are all over the media today claiming what you are asserting.  The silence is deafening.

Your selective reading is telling.

Ignore the point again Puzzlefeet. To just acknowledge the point would refute your point.

likwidshoe on September 24, 2006 at 03:52 pm
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The silence is deafening.

It’s the appropriate response to untruth.  The burden of proof is on the NYT.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 04:12 pm
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Oh, what little tricksters you all are trying to be.  Let’s see, they NYT shows the NIE memo, then what happens,Oh I dunno, you all start screaming for arrests to be made for having leaked classified information and receiving classified documents.  Wow, we got the NYtimes now, don’t we?  oh you’re all such the little tricksters tonight.  Whew almost had us there!

puzzlefeet on September 24, 2006 at 04:33 pm
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P: Yes, it’s much more effective for them to claim to have a memo, isn’t it?  Maximum propaganda, minimum responsibility.  Typical of lefties.

robert108 on September 24, 2006 at 04:55 pm
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Puzzle,

You are such a disingenuous twit!  Why, reading your comment, one might think that anyone seriously cared about the NIE published by the NYT.  Certainly I don’t.

After all, when the White House released the pre-war NIE on Iraq that leftwing Dems were braying about, you guys immediately pooh-poohed the contents which showed that the President had NOT lied, shifted gears, and started yammering that the President had (Horrors!) publicly released classified information.

So now the same folks who screwed up the pre-war NIE on Iraq, release another one, and this one is credible?  Why?

Personally, I’ll be quite satisfied to give the Times a pass on the NIE, and let DoJ take Lichtblau, Keller and the rest to the cleaners over the Top Secret NSA revelations.

When you have a free moment or two, refresh your memory on the Federal Espionage statutes, Title 18, Sections 793 and 798 are particularly pertinent to your precious NYT.

Bat One on September 24, 2006 at 05:06 pm

puzzlefeet spews, Oh, what little tricksters you all are trying to be.

“Little tricksters”? Pay attention to the following:

First, let’s remember that the folks in charge creating this memo are the same people who botched it when it came to determining whether or not there were WMD’s in Iraq.  Let’s also remember that many of the folks in the intelligence community are no allies of the Bush administration or America’s current foreign policy.  In support of that, consider how this memo made its way to the public.  It wasn’t released through official channels, it was leaked illegally by “several officials” who were involved in preparing the document.

Who is doing the tricking? Wrap your partisan little mind around that question.

likwidshoe on September 24, 2006 at 05:14 pm
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Ooohh, Lik and B1, it just looks like the intelligence officials are quite tired of this administration stretching the intelligence to fit their need to go to war.  And now the administration is claiming that the NYtimes isn’t giving the “entire” picture with this NIE, so we can conclude that the NIE does say that we are not safer.

So we’ll just let this one play out, huh guys?

puzzlefeet on September 25, 2006 at 02:57 am

Ooohh, Lik and B1, it just looks like the intelligence officials...

Who again? I missed their names.

So we’ll just let this one play out, huh guys?

Take your own advice there.

likwidshoe on September 25, 2006 at 03:20 am
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Let this one play out???  Absolutely!

What is played out is the New York Times.  Over the past 2 years, the stock of the New York Times Company (NYT) has lost nearly 50% of its value, while the both the Dow-Jones Industrial Average and the S&P 500 have gained 15% and 18% respectively.

Now, that may be of no great concern to the Koz Kidz and other assorted leftwing groupies and fellow travelers that make up today’s Democrat Party, after all, economics isn’t exactly the Dems’ strong suit.  But “Pinch” and his natty braces are reportedly pretty close to being shoved out the door by the stockholders, many of whom are his own family.  And in any case, the DoJ investigation is likely to prove more than a minor distraction, as you would know if you had actually read the statute, Dearie.

As for the NIE, like most thinking people, I’d love to see and read the entire thing, rather than what the Times reporter says that some anonymous source told him it says.  But in the meantime, I’m quite pleased to watch the he said, he said, she said, it said going on over on the left side of the aisle.  It kinda reinforces the point that the Dems really don’t have anything meaningful to say in the first place.

Bat One on September 25, 2006 at 03:22 am

I think they’re a bit worn out after the whole “KARL ROVE OUTED VALERIE PLAME! OMG! IMPEACH HIM!” orgasmic scene we all watched over the past year Bat One.

Now the new leak smear is a “let this one play out”.

Given their horrendous track record, maybe we should let this one play out.

likwidshoe on September 25, 2006 at 03:32 am
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Lik,

Oh, I’m sure they’re a bit worn out.  “Rode hard and put up wet,” would be an apt description, I believe.

Like I said above, I’m perfectly willing to overlook the NIE revelations, if that’s really what they are, and focus instead on the DoJ investigation of the NSA leak.  Keller is toast.  That much is already clear.  And Sulzberger is unlikely to survive at the helm of a sinking ship that he himself has “managed” to run aground.

Meanwhile, the Democrats still have nothing, and no one, to seriously offer as alternatives.  What the Democrats have yet to figure out is that shooting themselves in the left foot does nothing to overcome the limp they acquired shooting theselves in the right one.

Bat One on September 25, 2006 at 04:08 am
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