Kopp Column: No Utopian Peace On Earth

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The hitchhiker through the galaxy stops at the aged wizard and asks directions. “Which way to Utopia?” The guide shrugs and replies with an answer older than the traveler, older than the guide, older than any seeker. “Utopia? You can’t get there from here.”

Conservatives knows there is no such place, there is no such condition among mankind. Even naming your a “Arcadia,” the Greek word for utopia, doesn’t work. No amount of rules or laws will produce utopia. No amount of campfires with unending refrains of “Give Peace a Chance” or “Imagine” will produce utopia.

No imagining. It may be nice to imagine as John Lennon wrote, but his implied prescription was wrong. Imagine all the people living life in peace. No possessions. No need for greed or hunger. A brotherhood of man. Imagine all the people sharing all the world. I hope someday you’ll join us and the world will live as one.

No amount of imagining, sharing, or surrendering property rights would have stopped the Newtown massacre.

As James Bowman points out in his book “Honor, A History” peace is not the natural condition of mankind. He writes, “Even those who do not consider themselves pacifists have been taught to think of peace as the natural condition of mankind just as health is the natural condition of the body.”

No more laws. Just as war is not the result of failed of diplomacy, conservatives know shootings are not the result of the weak gun laws. Conservatives know getting rid of geopolitical boundaries will not produce utopia. Allowing free entry to the U.S. will not produce utopia. More social programs will not produce utopia. Making the rich pay their fair share will not bring in even a scent of utopia.

Liberals wrongly believes that if we only get rid of wars, or famine or class distinctions then utopia will reign. Hitler took the search to an extreme by believing racial purity would produce economic and cultural utopia. Stalin tried it. Marx preached it. Mao enforced it. It didn’t work.

The expression, “There oughta be a law…” reeks of the mistaken philosophy that if only another law were enacted, things would be better. Tell that to Newtown where one sick person broke more than a list of laws when he slaughtered 20 innocents: murder, theft of firearms, illegal transport of firearms, bringing guns on school property, violating a “gun free zone.

Humans are imperfect. Liberals misdiagnosis the human condition. Conservatives know that humans are not basically good and just need a little _fill in the blank, (health, wealth, education, marijuana, religion, time, laws, self-esteem).

Russell Kirk wrote in 1982, “Man being imperfect, no perfect social order ever can be created. Because of human restlessness, mankind would grow rebellions under any utopian domination and would break out once more in violent discontent – or else expire of boredom. To aim for utopia is to end in disaster.”

Getting rid of nukes, weapons of mass destruction or guns will not bring world peace. There was no world peace before these things were invented and restricting them has not brought peace.

Conservatives know these truths because they know history. They know there is nothing new under the sun, just the same old deception in new clothes.

The hope of a conservative is not heaven on earth, but a moment of peace may result from a balance of moral order, personal responsibility and personal freedom.

This time of year we hear the oft-repeated phrase, “Peace on Earth.” The proclamation did not come with more law, more programs, treaties or restrictions. So, if you’re looking to Washington for peace on earth or utopia, your search will go unrewarded.

Mike Kopp has exercised his political muscle as a media director to two statewide campaigns, a television political reporter, a lobbyist, and staff assistant to the Senate Majority Leader. He is currently a communications contractor working from his home in Wilton, ND.

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  • mickey_moussaoui

    The psychology of extreme liberalism can be summed up as pseudo-idealism. Emotional hurt suffered during childhood creates adults with so much psychological pain that they need to find a way to escape it. The delusion and desperation behind this “religion of self” unfortunately manifests itself in irresponsible and irrational policies.

    sources:
    Biologist Jeremy Griffith
    Psychiatrist Kyle Rossiter

    • Mike

      There is no “escape.” One is shaped by emotional hurt, but the health person deals with it as a point in life and moves on to not repeat that pain.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        Which may explain why leftists can’t move on w/o imposing restictions on everyone else

  • Roy_Bean

    It’s somehow fitting to be having this discussion during a season in which little kids are taught that “a jolly old elf” is going to come to their house with a bunch of free toys, but only if they “are good”. Substitute “millionaires and billionaires” for “a jolly old elf” and “vote democrat” for “are good” and you have platform of the democrat party today.

  • Neiman

    If that utopia, that Shangri-La is to be constructed by men, if peace should take over the whole earth by our hands, it will never come to life; for all men are flawed, all are too selfish, there is no one good, no not one. Still, people desperately want peace and safety, they want the Garden of Eden, a place only occupied by saintly-minded souls wherein there is constant tranquility and every need satisfied. That is what the liberals promise to build, but if only we willingly surrender our lives and our wills to them that, they in their greater wisdom, they think, may care for us and offer us that paradise on earth. That is what the Nanny State is supposed to achieve; but, that is Communism and in the end, history tells us that it does not produce Valhalla, but Hades, the hellish state of constant want and poverty, a land of material, moral and spiritual poverty. The Right would do no better, for they leave every man on his own and seek their own prosperity over spiritual riches and thus are also doomed to fail. Al they produce is a small upper class and the rest peons, peasants to serve them on their vast estates.

    Soon, there will appear a man of great power, intellect, charisma and even by miracles, will usher in peace and economic prosperity and the whole earth will embrace, but his failure will be so great that all the previous failures of mankind will pale in comparison. We have seen an FDR, a JFK, a Clinton and now an Obama seek that role of liberal Messiah and maybe a Clinton again and liberals will blindly worship them and see in them the person to lead us out of the capitalist darkness and into the perfect communist State,fulfilling their Utopian dream.

    Yet, there will be peace on earth, when the Prince of Peace we Christians honor on Tuesday, will return and destroy all evil and produce that Paradise everywhere; it will not depend on frail, finite, immoral man to build it, only God can make it real. So, while I agree that it will not happen as a result of liberal or conservative policies or anything accomplished by man, it will happen; but sadly. most people will reject this King Jesus and never see this earthly Paradise, because we have mostly risen to believe we are our own gods and do not need the Lord. Much the pity.

    • Mike

      You’re right. We all long for the Garden of Eden from which we have been banished in this life, but invited to enjoy in the next life.

  • $8194357

    When one studies up on the lefts facination with “utopia”
    you will find it to be the “Earthly Eden” satan promised
    his devout followers like the Illuminati…

    The Iluminati financed the communist movement as they saw
    themselves the elite above all of creation and the comman man.
    They as well financialy supported Karl to “codify” their ideology…
    Alinsky as well “codified” Marx for the “New Left Democrats”
    Both gave aknowlegment as to where their insperations came from.

    Lucifer..

    And what is the religion of peace and tolerance up to today?

    Jihadists slaughter 39 in Kenya,
    LA Times censors motive.

    Once again the enemedia is scrubbing the news of Islamic jihadi slaughter.
    This is complicity and criminal. The enemedia employs its sharia speak for such atrocities “ethnic clashes.”

    Chris writes me,

    The LA Tiimes ([email protected]) and the reporter ([email protected]) need to be admonished for leaving out of their story the most important element impacting the massacre of 30 men, women, and children in Kenya. This wasn’t a dispute over land and water, but the marauding of Muslims against non-Muslims. The Pokomo farmers are 90% Christian and the Orma herders are almost 100% Muslim.

    The cause of the violence is quite clear. It was put in writing over 1,000 years ago, and it hasn’t changed since then. Muslims have been given clear instructions on how to deal with non-Muslims:

    “Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you.
    Deal firmly with them.”
    (Surah 9:123)

    “If only the unbelievers knew the day when they shall strive in vain to
    shield their faces and their backs from the fire of Hell; the day when
    none shall help them! . . .
    Can they not see how We invade their land and curtail its borders?”
    (Surah 21:40-44)

    “Muhammad is God’s apostle.
    Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers
    but merciful to one another. . . .
    Through them He seeks to enrage the unbelievers.”
    (Surah 48:29)

  • two_amber_lamps

    Tell that to Newtown where one sick person broke more than a list of
    laws:

    1. murder

    2. theft of firearms

    3. illegal transport of firearms

    4. bringing guns on school property

    5. violating a “gun free” zone

    Excellent point… and the left thinks MORE regulation and prohibitions will some how remedy the situation?!?!

    “If you are for gun control, then you’re not against guns because the guns
    will be needed to disarm people… There’s no such thing as gun
    control, there’s only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small
    political elite and their minions. Gun control is a misnomer.”

    Problem isn’t more laws to penalize everyone, how about addressing the source of this tragedy…. MENTAL ILLNESS. We’ve passed so many laws defending the rights of the insane that they have to KILL before they’re committed/institutionalized. Loughner, Lanza, Holmes, Columbine…. the trends are obvious, yet some of us refuse to look past the veneer the liberal media paints for us to see what the root cause of our violence issues are.

    • borborygmi

      Mental Illness and a national Data bank of the mentally ill. Hmmm Everyone would have to be tested and tracked through out their life. Ye of limited gov’t don’t see anything wrong with this?

      • two_amber_lamps

        Speaking of mental illness… hi borby! You want your cake or do you want to eat it too?

        • borborygmi

          mmmmmm tasty cake……..

        • ellinas1

          Mevrouwtje, ga lekker naar huis, koken,

  • ellinas1

    Utopia?

    Liberals know there is no such place, there is no such condition among mankind.
    They want a better tomorrow, whereas conservatives are stuck in the past.

    The rest of the post is just feel good words for conservatives….to keep ‘em warm and cozy during the Christmas.

    • two_amber_lamps

      Oh please, we know Ellinasty has created utopia on earth… that being your little basement hide-away rump-us room where you (hourly?) rape and abuse juvenile boys for your carnal amusement.

      • ellinas1

        You know all this and have not called the police yet?

        • two_amber_lamps

          (phone ringing)

          Hello Officer? Yes, I’d like to report a criminal…. yes, it’s a pedophile living in the Stockton, CA area… who? Well, I don’t know his name. But he lives there…. no sir, I don’t know how many pedophiles there are in the Stockton area… sorry to waste your time.

          Now that’s just silly talk there Mr. Ellinasty!

          Just publish your name and address and we shall rectify the situation post-haste Comrade Pederast! :)

          • ellinas1

            LOL. Publish your phone number and I shall call you and give you my name and address, dollymop.
            If you don’t then you are an accessory to what you think I am.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh but of course…. it’s:

            Phil McKrackin
            696 Get Bent Lane
            Jo Mama, C@cklickistan 69696

            Oh, I suppose you probably don’t want your address known since we all know what happens when you mix pederasty and publicity. None to worry… easily rectified. We’ll just trace your IP address…

            Just remember when the SWAT team comes to arrest you (preferably at 4am), roll off the bed and place your hands behind your head when the door gets kicked in. Or better yet, in your case just scurry around the house like a chicken with it’s head cut off. Hopefully a member of the Stockton PD might just have an itchy trigger finger and alleviate the tax burden you shall inevitably become.

          • ellinas1

            LOL. Your mind runs wild, dollymop.
            Like the mind of a 13 year old.
            Here is an image the will keep you masturbating.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Tell ya what Greekling Pederast… why don’t you drive a few minutes up the road and turn yourself in? I’m sure if you tell them you lied on your immigration application about being a socialist and the fact you’re a convicted pederast, I’m sure they’ll hook you up with a flight back to Greekling-land so you can rejoin your bolshevik friends.

            https://egov.uscis.gov/crisgwi/go?action=offices.detail&office=SAC&OfficeLocator.office_type=LO&OfficeLocator.statecode=CA

          • ellinas1

            LOL….the little lorette once again vying for attention.
            LMFAO!

    • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

      Didn’t their Hollywood Hero say something about a shiny city on a hill?
      Sounds darn utopian to me.

      • Neiman

        Horse apples! There is absolutely no correlation, it is only another lie from our resident pathological liar and Reagan hater. This bottom dwelling, scum sucking Gay Bob only has his lies and his misery.

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          Merry Christmas, Old Pal!

          What dark and strange place will your rage take you to today?

          • Neiman

            I am not your pal and you are a liar.

            Have you stopped sexually abusing other males? Yes or no?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Never have, never will.
            Why do you think so much about the gay sex, Old Pal?

          • Neiman

            You never have stopped sexually abusing other men and never will, okay we knew that, nice of you to admit your perversions.

            I oppose gay sex because it is a moral cancer destroying the world.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            If you want to post lies, that’s your prerogative, Old Pal.
            It does make you look stupid, though.

          • Neiman

            Look in the mirror Gay Bob, you start by lying, calling me your pal, in some sick psycho-sexual obsession with me. I asked a question, you confirmed my assumptions, case closed Gay Bob.

          • ellinas1

            I do wish you a merry Christmas, even though you are an enemy of Christ, I
            wish that you will be driven to your knees in repentance for all the lies you utter day in and day out.

          • Neiman

            You are such a child and absent any intellect, so all you can do is parrot what I say, but unlike me, you can never provide any biblical basis for your words.

          • ellinas1

            Biblical basis? How about logical basis?
            Your biblical basis is extremely flawed….and you have abandoned all logic.
            There exists logic in the bible, did you know that?

          • Neiman

            First, you should try a biblical basis, you hold everything above God’s Word and where your logic fails, God will not, because you logic is flawed by your fallen nature and God cannot err, being all-knowing.

            It is only your opinion I have abandoned logic, but I place God and His Word above all things and with time find that God is always right. You place yourself above God.

            First you need Conviction you are a sinner deserving or hell, then Repentance that you might agree with God you are born in and live in sin and then Conversion, asking Jesus to be your Savior and Lord. Then, having the Holy Spirit, which you lack now, you will discover that outside of the Bible you know nothing, all your thoughts and all your actions are vanity. Until then you and all non-Christians are bound for hell.

          • ellinas1

            JUst as I thought….flawed logic and flawed Christianity, due to flawed biblical knowledge and flawed interpretation of the holly books.

          • Neiman

            It is amazing this delusion you have about your being a Christian, yet every time I appeal to God’s Word – EVERY TIME, you reject Him and His Word. Your appeal, your rebuttals are never based on Jesus or on the written word, only your own frail, finite wisdom, from the flesh of a wicked man desperately needing Jesus. Amazing how Satan has taken hold of you, I truly pity you.

            On Judgment Day there will be only one factor considered, what did you do with Jesus and YOU have refused to confess Him as Savior and Lord and YOU have refused His Word as being absolute in your life. Of course, you will already know the answer, it will be never ending suffering because you are not Born Again, you have not His Spirit and that means you do not have His Life as your own.

            I get almost physically sick every time you reply, because you are so bound with the chains of hell and so deluded by demon spirits you will keep lying to yourself and hell will be your freewill choice. There is nothing short of a life and death horror in your life that has any hope of driving you to your knees in repentance and seeking Christ, I wish it were not so, but you are deaf and blind to Divine Truth. God help you!

          • ellinas1

            Lying liars are disliked by by all.
            Why do you lie so much?

          • Neiman

            You should know, look in the mirror and at your Lord gay Bob, you will see the liars.

          • ellinas1

            There you go, lying once again.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Wow, I betcha if Ellinas could do that he’d leave 11 year old boys alone…

            Then again… probably not.

          • ellinas1

            Not only LOL, but LMFAO!
            You are such a miserable lorette…vying for attention and status.

        • ellinas1

          You spew hatred just before Christmas?
          Jesus will be so proud.
          Merry Christmas.

          • Neiman

            Just like racism, you liberals throw out words like hate because you have no arguments, so out of fear you name call.

            I do not wish you a merry Christmas, as you are an enemy of Christ, I wish that you will be driven to your knees in repentance and accepting Jesus as your Savior and Lord.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Reagan was for gun control. The modern conservatives aren’t Reagan conservatives.

        • Neiman

          Reagan was NOT a conservative god, he was a great president, he ended the Cold War without firing a shot; but he made his share of mistakes and gun control was one of them. See, unlike you liberals we do not worship our leaders, we criticize them when they are wrong, you folk bow down to every utterance and act of your leaders.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Pretty sure the cold war ended under Papa Bush, but don’t let that stop you from dreaming, Old Pal.

          • Neiman

            Still lying hey Gay Bob? Lie, lies, lies, it is all you have.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, when did the cold war end?

          • ellinas1

            The Soviet Union imploded.
            Nothing Reagan did, caused this implosion.
            The people wanted more freedom and the time was right.

          • Neiman

            Reagan spent the Soviets into oblivion, most world leaders of the time, including Gorbachev agree.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Old Pal, by spent the Soviets into oblivion, do you mean increased our national debt by 189%, sending us down a path to a fiscal cliff?

          • Neiman

            I made a mistake engaging you especially and your disciple Ellinas, you two always lie, you always drag the conversation into the pits of hell where you dwell. I ALWAYS regret any such engagement, I am tired of the demons that possess you both. I will not answer further.

            btw – that spending not only destroyed the Soviet Union, the ability to reduce the military and close bases played a big role in the false economic boon times under Billy Jeff the hillbilly whore hopper Clinton.

          • ellinas1

            Nonsense.

          • Mike

            This is true.

          • camsaure

            Thereby you admit that it was a total failure, yet you wish for the US to try and strive for it anyway. Sheesh

          • ellinas1

            You are mistaken when you think that I want America to be like the Soviet Union.

          • camsaure

            I doubt it, Please elaborate on where you wish it to be different. Maybe you should also study up on how the USSR got to where it was and the playbooks that they used to get there.

          • ellinas1

            Doubt it all you want.

            Elaborate? OK, I will elaborate. We are and should be different on everything.
            I read the history of the USSR. You failed to understand it,

          • camsaure

            You did not elaborate at all. Are you trying to say they wanted the illusion of, they were for socialism but somehow inevitably progressed to full blown communism? Do you think somehow we should fall for the same thing? Do you think that socialism has not been tried enough yet, even though it has failed every time it has been tried? Do you really believe that socialism can be perfected in the future if we try it again? What part of the history of the USSR do you think I have failed to understand? What does the second “S” stand for in USSR?

          • Mike

            Actually, that is both correct and incorrect. Many of the policies that Reagan initiated, including the Strategic Defense Initiative shook up the Soviets so badly that they diverted more and more of their public and private economy in to matching the U.S. advances in defense. As a result, the Soviet economy collapsed from being so far out of balance.

          • borborygmi

            You criticize your leaders unless they are divinely inspired or Divinty itself.

          • Neiman

            Utter rot, you join Gay Bob, Ellinas and Hannitized in habitual lying. No, I dare not criticize God*, but short of that, I have criticized every leader on the Right as do most conservatives, we preferring to think for ourselves, not being liberal lemmings and cliff jumpers.

            *That does not mean I do not engage in critical think about my faith, it is a faith based on reason, it is not blind.

          • ellinas1

            Your faith is blind and misplaced.

          • Neiman

            It would be great if just once, instead of being a night crawler, you would come out in the light of day and prove even one of your charges against me. Faith is based on reason, but it is founded upon God’s inerrant word and one cannot, like you, edit that word to conform to their political bias; but stand upon it as written, by the Wisdom and power of the Holy Spirit, which Spirit you do not appear to have, nor a living relationship with Jesus.

            Much the pity, you are deceived and only a miracle of God will ever free you from your willingness to be deceived.

          • ellinas1

            “….God’s inerrant word and one cannot, like you, edit that word to conform to their political bias;”

            Yes that is true…..only because you are the only one, the anointed, who can do that.

          • borborygmi

            Actually I guess I am alluding to the writers of the Books of the Bible. You must believe they are divinely inspired to have faith in the Bible.

          • Neiman

            Of course!

        • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

          Compared to what passes a conservative today, Raygun was a liberal.

      • ellinas1

        Yes he did, that old rascal.

      • Mike

        Your interpretation is flawed.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Insanitybasedbob’s interpretation? Flawed? Say it ain’t so!

          • ellinas1

            It ain’t so.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Not much consequence to the opinion of a pederast… sorry ‘nasty.

          • ellinas1

            Then why do you feel it necessary to respond and try to diminish my comment? Why the indignation? why are you so resentful and angry?
            Huh, dollymop?

        • ellinas1

          Why don’t you interpret it in what you think is the correct way.

          • Mike

            As an example, sometimes referred to as American Exceptionalism, a patriotic belief that seems to have been lost.

          • ellinas1

            I reject the neoconservative/conservative interpretation of American Exceptionalism.
            The United States is not like the biblical “shining city on a hill,” and exempt from historical forces that have affected other countries.
            The United States has not deviated from it’s European roots, and thus, the United States has retained class inequities, imperialism and war.

          • Mike

            Truly a matter of opinion. And to you what country is identical to America that would offset the exceptional qualities and nature of this, the greatest and best nation in the world?

          • ellinas1

            A matter of opinion? Not really. You cannot discard what I wrote by calling it ” a matter of opinion”
            Tell me about the the qualities and nature you are referring to, and or talking about.

          • Mike

            Of course it’s a matter of opinion. No nation in the world has defended other Lesser Developed Countries like the U.S. No nation in the world has poured as much in to human aid as the U.S. No nation in the world has lost as many men and women defending other countries as the U.S. No nation in the world has advanced the scientific, medical, engineering accomplishments as the U.S. No nation in the world has advanced equality of women like the U.S. No nation is like the U.S.

          • ellinas1

            Let’s examine and put your qualities to test.
            USA covert operation code named TPAJAX:
            “Iran, where the CIA carried out its first successful regime-change
            operation over half a century ago. The target was not an oppressive Soviet puppet but a democratically elected government whose populist ideology and nationalist fervor threatened Western economic and geopolitical interests. The CIA’s covert intervention—codenamed TPAJAX—preserved the Shah’s power and protected Western control of a hugely lucrative oil infrastructure. It also transformed a turbulent constitutional monarchy into an absolutist kingship and induced a succession of unintended consequences at least as far ahead as the Islamic revolution of 1979—and, Kinzer argues in his breezily written, well-researched popular history, perhaps to today.”

            https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol48no2/article10.html

            Chile:https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/index.html

            After World War I,the United States replaced Britain as the main superpower controlling most of Chile’s resources, as most economic activity in the country lay in US hands. Such a change prevented Chile profiting from the result of the war and gaining its economic independence. The dependence on the
            United States formally began in the early years of the 1920s as two
            major US industries Anaconda and Kennecott took control of the profitable resources. Up until the 1970s, “both industries controlled between 7% to 20% of the country’s Gross Domestic
            Product”.The conclusion of World War II brought more of the same as Chile could not even exploit the “excess of copper they produced as almost all the copper was marketed through
            subsidiaries of United States copper firms established in Chile for whom the allied government fixed a ceiling price upon copper products during the course of the war.” As the working class demanded an improvement in their standard of living, higher wages and improved working conditions, the notion that a leftist government could be the solution for the people began to take form……more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile

            The Philippines, Argentina, The Dominican Republic,Peru and Nicaragua same story…..look it up either in the CIA official library or Wikipedia..

    • Neiman

      Liberals want THEIR idea of a better tomorrow – not the better tomorrow envisioned by the common clay, and it demands absolute surrender to the Liberal Nanny State, wherein you folk assume the Left know better how we should live and are willing to force us to live according to your leftist rules. That is tyranny, that is anti-Liberty, anti-Capitalism and in every case wherein you Leftists have tried this forced social transformation, all you have ever produced was a terrified populace living in your murderous police states, begging for bread, turning to alcoholism, a godless bunch of unhappy peasants. While the Leftist ruling elite live in palaces and their luxurious Dacha’s, riding in limousines and being evil over-Lord’s over the masses.

      That is the liberal Utopia – for them, for the ruling elite, not the people.

      • ellinas1

        Everything you wrote is a fallacious fallacy.

        • Neiman

          Double fallacious, wow?

          That is my analysis, like it or not, fair enough?

          • ellinas1

            Your analysis is not worth a dime, as it is not based on rational thought.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Too funny coming from you… you live in a glass house by chance?

          • ellinas1

            No, do you?

    • Guest

      Exactly, just because things will never be perfect doesn’t mean we can’t at least work to make the world a better place.

      • Neiman

        At what costs? To force people to move towards that better world, means they must surrender their liberty, they must submit to your Liberal plan.

        • ellinas1

          You don’t have to come along….we don’t want you anyway.

          Stay stuck in the past.

          • Neiman

            Your party is using the law , like your Soviet idols, to force the people to submit to your Communist Utopia.

            I am stuck in Jesus, loving and following Him, while you hate Him and have replaced Him with a Liberal idol in your heart. I’ll just pray you wake up before it is too late.

          • ellinas1

            This country of ours has an arbiter of what is lawful and constitutional.
            All that talk about Soviet idols, and forcing people to submit to “my Communist Utopia” are the words of crazies and lunatics.

            This country has, since it’s inception mechanisms in place, to effect
            change. The constitution allows this, and the people have to decide what the future of America will be, and what direction it will take.
            If the majority of the people decide to change the direction of the country you have to move over and allow the change, after you made your views known. The same goes for me and other like minded people. Should the majority have a different vision, (similar to yours), I have to, after voicing my opinion, stand aside and maybe try another time.The world is changing. Each generation is different, has different ideals and ideas.
            Neither you, nor I can stand in the way of this progress, for if we do we will die (I am talking about natural death) with a bitterness in our hearts.
            The progress I am talking about can be for the better or for the worse.

            PS: Your indignation concerning Jesus and me is misplaced, and it will remain that way till kingdom come.
            I know my Jesus and you know yours. While you are trying to force/shove down my throat through threats and name calling, I will wait for the second coming to find out who is wright and who is wrong.
            Until then, you and yours have a Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.
            Me and mine will do the same whether you want it or not.

          • The Fighting Czech

            If only this was true…. How can I opt out? I dont want what your guys are offering. If I can opt out. let me know how to do it. and Ill stand aside, and wish you guys all the luck in the world. and Ill continue the way I want to live my own life.

          • ellinas1

            This country has, since it’s inception mechanisms in place, to effect change. The constitution allows this, and the people have to decide what the future of America will be, and what direction it will take.
            If the majority of the people decide to change the direction of the country you have to move over and allow the change, after you made your views known. The same goes for me and other like minded people. Should the majority have a different vision, (similar to yours), I have to, after voicing my opinion, stand aside and maybe try another time.
            The world is changing. Each generation is different, has different ideals and ideas.
            Neither you, nor I can stand in the way of this progress, for if we do we will die (I am talking about natural death) with a bitterness in our hearts.
            The progress I am talking about can be for the better or for the worse.
            You and yours have a Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year.
            Me and mine will do the same whether you want it or not.

          • The Fighting Czech

            Yes the Constitution allows for change, for which has been only one change in over 40 years. for that matter a proposed amendment for the people to vote on for has been at least 20 years. . Circumventing the constitution with politically active judges has been the new paradigm for the last 50 years. there is no need for special interest groups to be inconvenienced by actually letting the people vote on there future.
            Somewhere along the line, we went from a represented Republic to a Democracy. where Mass media spins and turns issues to met their goals “of how things should be” laws are enacted quickly, and with out thought which is exactly what the Constitution was created to prevent… … The individuals right to pursue happiness has become replaced with what the Government has decided how the individual will exist..
            For all practical purposes, the Constitution has become a tool that only gets brought out, when it fits a certain agenda, otherwise it has been pretty much disregarded relic.
            Yes Merry Christmas to you and yours as well.
            I do hope your grandkids dont pay too dearly for what has been put upon them…

          • ellinas1

            You know what? Merry Christmas.
            Forget politics for a while,and enjoy…..for there will always be ways to circumvent the constitution something bothe sides do

          • $8194357

            Step “forward” comrade and we will arrange
            a little train ride for you…

          • two_amber_lamps

            Why should we come along as illegal aliens such as yourself pervert the founding principles of this country? Why don’t you self-deport, I’m sure a Golden Dawn awaits you in your utopian homeland.

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        I don’t necessarily disagree with you. But while I think we should drive to make society better, we must recognize that perfection is impossible.

        Yet, we don’t seem to recognize this. I listened to the way many talked in the wake of the mass murder in Connecticut. “These shootings must end,” and words to that effect.

        But if that’s the goal, we’re defeated already, because there will always be evil people and sometimes they’ll be successful.

        It’s a simple truth of life.

      • Mike

        And we do so, but claiming responsibility for our own four square feet of planet Earth, not by looking to a large bureaucracy to be responsible for our daily duties. If I make my four square feet a better place, and you make your four square feet a better place, and on down the line, the world becomes a better place.
        If however, we look to a disaffected bureaucracy to do it for us, we will never see that “better place.”

      • ellinas1

        My point exactly.

    • Mike

      Sadly, ellinas, you do not know what it means to be a conservative and have swallowed the left-leaning definition of what it means to be a conservative. In no way do conservatives remain in the past. Rather they embrace the present and look to the future while maintaining those norms and values which have historically proven to be solid foundations on which to base present advances.

      • $8194357

        I’ve told him that before, but to no avail.
        He spouts Democratic talking points and
        indoctrinated accusations while claiming an independent
        point of view..The willfull blind are the worst kind.
        So set in the lie and darkness they refuse to admit the light
        penetrating it…Shine your light of truth in his world and he denies
        it even excists or was there.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

    Allowing free entry to the U.S. will not produce utopia.

    I disagree with this part, not because I want “utopia,” but because I’m not sure how we’re best served by restricting the movements of people.

    As proponents of free trade, conservatives don’t believe in restricting the flow of goods and services. Why would we then want to restrict the flow of labor?

    • the Fighting Czech

      better explain a little more… you are approving of legal, or illegal entry into this country?

    • Mike

      key word: “free” There is a cost to freedom and to entry in to America as a “utopia.” It is cheapened by handing it out to anyone who makes it across the border.

    • Mike

      And yes, conservatives DO believe in restricting the flow of goods and services. They believe in the free EXCHANGE, not merely the flow. Conservatives recognize and endorse the principle of exchange of personal property for that which is deemed of equal value. Conservatives believe in exchanging an hour’s work for an hour’s pay and then using that hour’s pay in exchange for that which the hour’s pay may be equal to in the local market.

  • banjo kid

    I looked for an open thread on Christmas but found none , maybe if look harder ? but I have one thought to leave with the say anything blog :

    “God made Eve to be a help mate to Adam not a punching bag .”

    • Mike

      And your point is?????

  • banjo kid

    Peace on earth will come with the return of God .

    • $8194357

      And the government shall be upon His shoulders…

  • borborygmi

    NOt achievable so we should stop trying to achieve. Man going into space , laughable, Man curing cancer why bother. Man sailing around the world, impossible you will sail off the edge……Why bother with any law? Isn’t what “Peace on Earth” we do enjoy is because of the civilization of mankind and the laws that go with it.. Balance would be the operating word/ Conservatives the road block to advancement the promoters of the status quo, the pessimists of mankind. Utopia’s promise of Perfection, Peace on Earth, both may be relative, but give up trying …….Why? Ye of little faith in mankind.

  • $8194357

    Putting off the old to put on the new..
    May we die daily to Christ and recieve His Robe of Rightousness…
    May Ye drink of the New Wine of the Spirit of Truth..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH6TBKE6f5E

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