King Obama Says The Supreme Court Doesn’t Have Jurisdiction In Bailouts Case

So much for checks and balances.

The Obama Administration argued Monday that no court, including the Supreme Court, has the authority to hear a challenge by Indiana benefit plans to the role the U.S. Treasury played in the Chrysler rescue, including the use of “bailout” (TARP) funds. The Indiana debt holders, U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan wrote, simply have no right to raise that issue, thus putting it out of the reach of the courts. …
Although arguing that the courts may not rule on the validity of Treasury’s decision to shore up a new Chrysler company with funds from the Troubled Assets Relief Program, the Solicitor General did argue that those funds may go to a troubled auto company, and not just to banks or other regular financial institutions, and the Indiana benefit funds had contended.
“The Treasury has determined that TARP funds may be used to purchase assets from automobile companies when necesssary to prevent those companies’ failure or major disruption from disrupting the stability of the Nation’s economy and financial markets.”
Chrysler had received $4 billion in TARP funds before filing for bankruptcy. The new company will receive more and, in return, the U.S. government will become a part owner of NewChrysler, the surviving company.
In arguing that the Indiana benefit funds do not have “standing” to challenge Treasury’s use of “bailout” money to rescue Chrysler, the Solicitor General noted that the bankruptcy judge had found that those debt holders cannot show any injury to their interests from the sale deal and, even if they might experience some injury, it cannot be traced to the Treasury’s role.

The idea that the funds that are Chrysler’s creditors can’t show injury to their interests is more than a little ludicrous. Under the bankruptcy plans Obama structured, the federal government and the UAW are rewarded with huge stakes in the company while the bond holders get back a fraction of what they invested into the company.
I don’t care how you cut it, that’s damages.
Justice Ginsburg has ordered a temporary block on Obama’s deal for Chrysler while the court reviews the case setting up what could be an embarrassing moment for Obama. If the Supreme Court nixes this deal, it will be Obama’s first big defeat policy-wise. And it would be a big, fat, high-profile one to boot.
Let’s hope that the Supreme Court has more respect for the rule of law and property rights than the Obama administration has shown to this point.

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  • http://Array docdave

    Now we will see if Obama will accept and enforce the decision of the court as he is bound to as the chief of the executive branch or ignore it blatantly leaving us to the choice of obedience to the president who blatantly ignores his constitutional requirements of the constitution within which the court is operating properly.

    If that happens than our nation will have gone from a nation ruled by law to a nation ruled by a tyrant.

  • atease

    This issue will be some fun to watch. Barry just got punched in the mouth. Let’s see how he responds.

    atease

  • badlands4

    I am glad to see that the Supreme court is not throwing retired cops and teachers under the bus. It isn’t just “greedy” hedge funds and bailed out banks. GM has lots of mom and pop, ironically retired UAW workers, who bought bonds for their retirements, and pension funds, etc. These are people that picked bonds because they knew that bankruptcy law puts the secured creditor FIRST, so they felt that they were safe, and pension funds have a fiduciary responsibility to not make risky investments, and secured creditor bonds, even in bankruptcy are not risky like other investments.

    It is interesting that the Indiana Treasurer said that the state pension funds will NO LONGER invest in bonds for ANY bailed out company…I think in fact it is any unionized company, but not sure if that is who I am thinking of. One of them, and might have been one of the other creditors in the Chrysler bankruptcy said they will no longer invest in any union companies.

  • Bat One

    He’s using the wrong argument.

    electnixon,

    I think the argument that the administration is trying to make is that courts, any courts, should not have jurisdiction. And if you think about it, weak and specious though it is, its the only they have. The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, the legislation that created the TARP, limits the use of TARP funds to banks and financial institutions. It says nothing whatsoever about automobile companies, or any other manufacturing concerns.

    Just as importantly, EESA has no provision which overrides, modifies, or amends current US Bankruptcy law. Which means that the courts are the ONLY ones with the authority to abrogate the contracts between Chrysler and its lenders, the bondholder plaintiffs. Obama and his Treasury Department do not have the legal authority to bailout Chrysler (or GM!) nor do they have the authority to dictate the terms of the bankruptcy settlement and decide who gets what.

    From a constitutional perspective, this could be the single most significant court case since Nixon.

  • Bat One

    Its ironic that this ruling, and the stay order, come from Ruth Bader Ginsburg, arguably THE most liberal of the Supreme Court Justices.

    Obviously Justice Ginsburg sees the enormity of the constitutional issues here, and obviously the rule of law is far more important to her than any immediate partisan consideration. Bravo to Ginsburg!

  • forexpreneur

    How much of an expert do you have to be to think this deal is crooked? It tramples on the established way bankruptcy is done in the US.

    Not only that, besides the big institutional investors who are in bed with the politicians anyway, Obama has really changed the sentimant for wealthy independent investors.

    Why in the hell would I invest my hard earned money with government or municipal bonds? The best upside is just a couple to a few percentage points but my downside is that I could loose my entire investment. That’s not an investment that is stupidity.

    Same with investing in US companies now. Unless I purchase the company outright why the hell would I enven invest in a US company? The government can barge in, give a loan and the bond holders and stock holders are screwed. No thanks. It is becoming just as bad of an investment as Russia.

    Obama has no business intelligence what so ever. He also has zero economic intelligence. In fact he is a retard when it comes to both but he acts like he is a God. What a waste of sperm he is.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    I think NOBAMA is wrong because constitutionally I don’t think the Government can just take over a business like this. Again if you read the constitution it says nothing about buy companies out in it.

  • sayanything-4625

    I yield to the experts of Chapter 11 bankruptcy law.

    How much of an expert do you have to be to think this deal is crooked? It tramples on the established way bankruptcy is done in the US.

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    that’s what happens when you back the wrong horse.

    Communism?

    Yep, it looks like you demotards backed the wrong horse.

  • sayanything-4625

    that’s what happens when you back the wrong horse.

    Did you really just say this WOOF? All we have to say in the future is that, “Sorry about that due process thing but you backed the wrong horse?” Who knew the Constitution backed certain parties and not others. I summon Angry Vertebrate! Tell us again how you guy’s are the “true patriots” that back the Constitution.

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    Obama’s logic is flawed too. He’s saying that this has something to do with bailout funds. The Indiana pension fund simply said that it’s unconstitutional for the government to place unsecured creditors ahead of secured creditors. Vaguely related, but not really.

    He’s using the wrong argument.

  • ProudinNC

    Should get interesting. SCOTUS won’t like being told what they can’t rule on.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    So he doesn’t even have to threaten a “pack” of the Supreme court like FDR tried? All he has to do is control their docket? Nice.

  • Pilgrim

    I don’t think anything he’s come up with has alarmed me as much as this.

    Since when does a sitting president decide what jurisdiction the Supreme Court has? Even liberals have to be stepping back over this one, at least those who think with their brains and not with their emotions.

    What we just witnessed is truly frightening folks. America had better wake up to what it elected.

  • forexpreneur

    The guy’s head gets bigger everyday just like every dictator. Pretty soon he will claim no one can tell him he can only serve 2 terms.

    This country is screwed and the Dems put all the blame on Bush but they are just as much, and even a bigger part of this depression. Yes folks it is a depression. REAL unemployment is at 20% if you use U2 numbers like before the Clinton era instead of U8 numbers that we use since Clinton. Back to the point, Dems refused to but stricter guidelines and rules on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because those companies gave the Dems families, friends and top constituents high paying jobs with those companies. Bribes are so easy these days because they aren’t even bribes.

    The moron Obama isn’t going to get his way, but I’ll tell you something. The smart investors will refuse to even buy bonds or invest in US companies for awhile. Why would I risk my money to make a measly amount at best, and that is a long shot because the Government comes in and take a public company over illegally. Yes illegally. Don’t give me this BS that the government is a large investor. They are still just an investor just like everyone else and legally the investors have a right and a guarantee for a vote. Obama doesn’t give a damn about this because he hates rich people and hates businesses. He is a communist and loves Cuba.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    docdave:

    If that happens than our nation will have gone from a nation ruled by law to a nation ruled by a tyrant.

    The question will be how will we deal with it? Revolt? We’ve never chased a president out of office, never had a general insurrection from the executive branch most especially law enforcement and military, never had to recover from that. The civil was was worse in some respects and not as bad in others. Had the secession been a rebellion, we would not today be the USA.

    It’s a road we don’t want to go down, but the choice is no longer ours, it is those in power. When they push it to that point, the result will be on their heads. However, we will be the ones to suffer.

    That being said, we still needed to see this juncture. The important thing now is to put this before the people. Blog it, spread it, talk in person on it. DO NOT LET THIS GO if this actually comes to pass. Only if the masses of the nation make it clear that it is unacceptable will they relent.

  • WOOFX

    I yield to the experts of Chapter 11 bankruptcy law.

  • WOOFX

    that’s what happens when you back the wrong horse.

    the bond holders get back a fraction of what they invested into the company

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    Now comes the truly interesting point and much sooner than I had expected.

    Now we will see if Obama will accept and enforce the decision of the court as he is bound to as the chief of the executive branch or ignore it blatantly leaving us to the choice of obedience to the president who blatantly ignores his constitutional requirements of the constitution within which the court is operating properly.

    If he elects to ignore their ruling should it go against him, then congress must impeach him. If they do not, then that is two branches of government openly operating in defiance of the constitution and doing it right in front of the faces of the public.

    Truly a crisis we need to see.

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