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Next we’ll be hearing that Planned Parenthood has signed a marketing/space lease agreement with Walmart to establish Kunsultation Kiosks in all Walmart SuperCenter and Sam’s Club locations.  Then all that’d be needed is a catchy variant on the old blue light special… and some extra parking spaces.

Damn them for trying to turn a profit! Damn the entire godless system of capitalism, for forcing people into such debauchery!

Why don’t we just let the government tell Planned Parenthood how to run their business? Wouldn’t that make everything better? 

Kill Your Kid And Win An Ipod

Particularly accurate since, as we all know, abortions are the only medical services Planned Parenthood provides.

Rob: Are there any other businesses that should be forbidden to advertise their services? Because, if so, I’d love to see you put a ban on fast food avertisements. "Kill two cows for the price of one!"

And I’m sure, Dave, that you’d have no problem with the Ku Klux Klan running ads promoting special Klan-branded iPods, pre-loaded with lots of hatespeech podcasts, available at the local Klan recruitment office, right?

Planned Parenthood are purveyors and instigators of a hideous practice that should be stricken from the earth.  The fact that they’re attempting to entice youngsters into their offices with electronic ear candy 1) shows their desperation and 2) the depths to which they’re willing to sink.  Neither surprises me, given their status as merchants of death. 

"Damn them for trying to turn a profit!"

Dave,

FYI:  Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization, which, of course, pays no federal taxs.

Actually, Dave, Planned Parenthood is a not for profit organizationj, and one which takes government money for a significant portion of their revenue--and "charitable" donations for a great portion of the rest.  So is this a way to get profits, or perhaps to get more "clients" so their government and charitable sponsors don’t dump them?

I’d suggest the latter.  Moreover, I have never, ever, seen a legitimate medical services provider pull this kind of stunt.  Can you imagine, say, a cardiologist or proctologist doing this?  Me either, though it could be a wonderful Monty Python skit or theme in a Mel Brooks movie.

And I’m sure, Dave, that you’d have no problem with the Ku Klux Klan running ads promoting special Klan-branded iPods, pre-loaded with lots of hatespeech podcasts, available at the local Klan recruitment office, right?

Of course I’d have a problem. I’d respond by boycotting, not by asking Super-Government to fly in and save the day by banning them (which is quickly becoming the "conservative" solution to everything.

Planned Parenthood are purveyors and instigators of a hideous practice that should be stricken from the earth. 

And when enough people agree with you, they’ll go out of business. Unprofitable ventures don’t last long.

What part of "non-profit" is failing to penetrate your mushy liberal skull?

So is this a way to get profits, or perhaps to get more "clients" so their government and charitable sponsors don’t dump them?

I’d suggest the latter. 

I’d suggest you’re probably right. It’s the same principle either way: Planned Parenthood has a financial interest in getting as many clients as possible, so they’re throwing in incentives to increase their customer base.

What part of "non-profit" is failing to penetrate your mushy liberal skull?

The other posts hadn’t shown up on my computer when I made mine.

I’m not a liberal, nor do I suffer from any skull disorders, so far as I know.

The point is that monetary rewards should not be offered for human beings.  I even have a problem with blood banks that offer money.

http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/01/9-contributions.html

Of course I’d have a problem. I’d respond by boycotting, not by asking Super-Government to fly in and save the day by banning them (which is quickly becoming the "conservative" solution to everything.

straw man, n., An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated.

When you can’t refute the argument made, you create a new one to argue against, eh Dave?  I’m impressed.

Planned Parenthood is primarily offering contraception and STD prevention - and offers it to women and men.

The Ipod offering is intended to encourage teens to learn more about contraception and wasy to avoid STD’s, not sign up for an abortion.

What’s the deal with these the choice of topics today? Is it get-on-your-mindless-soapbox day here at Say Anything? 

not by asking Super-Government to fly in and save the day by banning them

Who is asking for that?  I’m just criticizing an organization and practice that I, personally, find reprehensible.

Is that ok, Davey?  Do I have your stamp of approval to carry on with the expression of my personal views on this subject?

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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Planned Parenthood is primarily offering contraception and STD prevention - and offers it to women and men.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the nation, and they are luring kids in with toys and movie tickets to spread their pro-abortion message.

Like Davey said, this is all about money.  Planned Parenthood doesn’t stay solvent by providing free condoms and counseling, they stay solvent by doing lots and lots of abortions.

You know, you liberals couldn’t stand the idea of "Big Tobacco" using Joe Camel...yet you’re all behind luring kids into abortions with iPods.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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mcair, they actually are primarily an abortuary, though they do offer contraceptives that don’t work and ways that the promiscuous can get STDs.  Don’t forget for a minute that when the NIH tried to find out how well condoms prevented STD transmission, they found that condoms were effectively useless in preventing all but one.

Granted, that one was a biggie--AIDS--but there are 27 others that one is likely to get through or around latex.  Moreover, it’s also been found that those who trust latex for contraception also tend to end up as "parents."

Sad to say, it’s not completely unreasonable to suggest that their contraceptive and safe sex efforts exist partially to drum up clients for the other business.  Their "teenwire" website reads like a "how to" manual for some pretty sick stuff.

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in the nation, and they are luring kids in with toys and movie tickets to spread their pro-abortion message.

What a load of crap. Their message is: if you must have sex, use a condom/sponge/pill/whatever. Yes, they provide access to abortion. The notion that they are primarily in business to promote abortion is your RW imagination at work, once again.

For fucks sake, this is the 21st century and people use contraceptives to avoid pregnancy. Or do you disapprove of people using contraception also?

The notion that they are primarily in business to promote abortion is your RW imagination at work, once again.

They provide more abortions than anyone else in this country.  If they are not in the business of abortions, what are they in the business of?

For fucks sake, this is the 21st century and people use contraceptives to avoid pregnancy. Or do you disapprove of people using contraception also?

No, I don’t have a problem with contraceptives.  I have a problem with promoting sex for underage kids (which is what I feel promoting contraceptives towards teens does).  I also have a problem with abortions.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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McAir,

The "load of crap" as you call it, is that "message" you list from Planned Parenthood, and its hardly surprising that you would be the one so enamored of message as to completely miss the point.

Planned Parenthood performs more abortions than any other single provider in the country.  And they are most obviously "luring" adolescents to their pro-abortion message by offering i-pods… not to mention an upbeat and colorful website presentation.

It’s called marketing, in case the definition had somehow escaped you.  That’s what messages are!  Especially the insubstantial ones on the left. 

"For fucks sake, this is the 21st century..."

Seems like whenever the language turns vulgar or crass and offensive, its because some intellectually-challenged liberal gets frustrated or has his feelings hurt. 

Interesting choice of words, mcair.  When I hear that word used in its proper context, I almost invariably hear it used to describe the sexual behavior of unmarried juveniles.  Husbands do not use it to describe what they do with their wives--especially not if they desire to repeat that experience.

So yes, what Planned Parenthood is doing is exactly for that sake; to encourage juvenile sexual activity and its fruits, STDs and unwanted pregnancies.  You will never see this confessed, of course, but their business plan would not work without it.

So yes, what Planned Parenthood is doing is exactly for that sake; to encourage juvenile sexual activity and its fruits,

And they are most obviously "luring" adolescents to their pro-abortion message by offering i-pods… not to mention an upbeat and colorful website presentation.

This what you choose to see. Accept that others that are not a small-minded as you see it as a welcome part of society that seeks to inform the young and provide reproductive services.

Contraception and Abortion are legal in this country. Organizations that educate people on the choices they have versus leaving them to their own devices to enjoy the "fruits" of unwanted pregnancy and STD’s. That’s what you advocate.

Whether adults choose to seek out contraception or abortion is their own private business.

Not yours.

No, what I advocate is something which has reduced the rate of teen sexual experimentation, STDs, and pregnancy; "abstinence until marriage."  I also must repeat that no study has found, ever, that condoms prevent most STDs, and remind this forum that "comprehensive" sex ed led to an explosion in STDs and unplanned pregnancies.

In other words, whatever they think they’re doing or say they’re doing, Planned Parenthood is in the business of promoting STDs and unwanted pregnancies (and transitively abortion) by falsely claiming that their "product" makes it safe to f***.

"abstinence until marriage." 

A couple of questions: how many people do you know of that have actually managed this?

And - how is your plan working out in Africa?

 I also must repeat that no study has found, ever, that condoms prevent most STDs

But rational people know that they are far less likely to bring home a case of the clap if they use a sock. And they would be right.

How’s it working out in Africa?  Well, the continent’s greatest reductions in HIV infection rates have been in abstinence-friendly Uganda, not the nations promoting condoms.  Looks to me like it works pretty well where it’s tried.

And regarding condoms, sometimes intuition is wrong, and that’s exactly what the NIH found when they researched the problem.  Except for AIDS, condoms offer no statistically significant protection from the transmission of STDs.

Again, peer reviewed studies, properly done, tend to override intuition and anecdotes.  Planned Infanticide really ought to come to terms with this.

"Whether adults choose to seek out contraception or abortion is their own private business.  Not yours."

And if others choose to follow a course of abstinence until marriage, that is their private business.  Not yours.

If you wish to defend Planned Parenthood because they hand out condoms, fine.  But as usual with your arguments, that has nothing to do with what is being discussed here, which is Planned Parenthood’s role as the nation’s foremost marketer, cheerleader, and provider of abortion services, and its incessant focus on younger and younger clients for those services.

Besides, your argument about condoms is itself gratuitous and disingenuous.  Anyone who can afford a pack of rolling papers can afford a condom.   

Communication has the most effective method of reducing HIV infection, and of course abstinence is the most effective method. But abstinence should be promoted with an alternative, such as condom use, not pushed as the sole means of avoiding STD’s.

Like it our not, kids are going to have sex. Providing them access to resources that explain their choices (abstinence being one of them) is simply a practical approach to avoiding unwanted pregnancy.

And if others choose to follow a course of abstinence until marriage, that is their private business.  Not yours.

My argument has not precluded abstinence as a viable means of birth control. What I have said is that abstinence shouldn’t be the only method available.

But as usual with your arguments, that has nothing to do with what is being discussed here, which is Planned Parenthood’s role as the nation’s foremost marketer, cheerleader, and provider of abortion services, and its incessant focus on younger and younger clients for those services.

"As usual" I forgot I was among people who stick to their narrow agenda and insist that everyone do the same. Re-read the ridiculous title of this thread "Kill your kid, win an Ipod" - that is nothing more than an agenda being pushed. 

My argument has been that Planned Parenthood’s mission is to assist with reproductive issues, and yes, part of that is providing abortion services. You’ve brainwashed yourself into thinking that means "all abortion, all the time".

Besides, your argument about condoms is itself gratuitous and disingenuous.  Anyone who can afford a pack of rolling papers can afford a condom.

That statement was in response to a claim that condoms are somehow ineffective in reducing the rate of STD infection. Go back and follow the thread.

When you can come up with something more authoritative than a refereed NIH study, mcair, THEN you can start recommending condoms.  Sorry, but the experience in Uganda, here, and the NIH study all suggest that promoting condom usage has actually lengthened or even worsened a number of epidemics.  It’s time to come to grips with that.

It’s also time to come to grips with the fact of leakage and outright breakage--they’re not all that good of a contraceptive, either.  (though they can kill a mood really quickly)

And in light of these facts, Planned Parenthood’s decidedly unorthodox marketing campaign (no other medical clinics pull this kind of stunt) has a decidedly sinister air.  Bringing in "new customers" for ineffective barriers to STDs and other genetic information while promoting deviant sexuality is effectively equivalent to promoting abortion and disease. 

If the chance at an iPod or movie tickets will prevent unwanted pregnancies, it’s money well spent.

When you can come up with something more authoritative than a refereed NIH study, mcair, THEN you can start recommending condoms.  Sorry, but the experience in Uganda, here, and the NIH study all suggest that promoting condom usage has actually lengthened or even worsened a number of epidemics.  It’s time to come to grips with that.

I have to keep saying this: I am not advocating condom use as a sole means of avoiding pregnancy and STD’s. Yes, abstinence works. But failing that, there should be an alternative because, and I’ll say this again: people have sex. It’s instinctive once puberty is reached. Condoms are not 100% effective, but they are better than nothing - and ought to be available to everyone.

McAir,

First, let me congratulate you on your new, more reasoned tone and tenor.  It so much more befits a supposedly intelligent discussion than childishly throwing the “F” word around in child-like fits of frustration.  Of course, now that we know that you can actually do this…

If you find the title of the thread ridiculous, perhaps you should consider getting your own blog on which you could post whatever titles strike you as less ridiculous.  Last time I checked, the choice of subject matter, and titles, is that of our host.  That being so, it shouldn’t be too much of a burden to expect you to behave like a guest, should it?

As you may know, there are people on the left who can bring themselves to acknowledge that Christian churches, from Roman Catholic to Southern Baptist do an awful lot of good in the world through a variety of local, national, and international programs.  That doesn’t mean they subscribe to the faith or the dogma of those churches.

Similarly, I can acknowledge that Planned Parenthood probably does some good with its non-abortion related programs.  But that fact hardly shields PP from legitimate criticism as the country’s single biggest supporter and provider of abortion by those of us who are so “brainwashed” that we think that killing babies is wrong.

First, let me congratulate you on your new, more reasoned tone and tenor.  It so much more befits a supposedly intelligent discussion than childishly throwing the “F” word around in child-like fits of frustration.  Of course, now that we know that you can actually do this…

Give me a break. The "F" word gets aired whenever I feel like it, when I feel it adds sufficient emphasis to the point. Spare me your lecture on intelligent discussion, there are others here (and not all lefties) that warrant such tutoring far more than I. I enjoyed bantering with you about cars the other day. That was cool, your tone today is not.

If you find the title of the thread ridiculous, perhaps you should consider getting your own blog on which you could post whatever titles strike you as less ridiculous

I have posted here. Don’t have the time for my own blog. I found a seasoned group of righties to argue with, that’s why I’m here. Last I heard, the blog is named "Say Anything" and that’s what I did. It is not a reflection on the host - I get to express my opinion.

But that fact hardly shields PP from legitimate criticism as the country’s single biggest supporter and provider of abortion by those of us who are so “brainwashed” that we think that killing babies is wrong.

As I said (I am repeating myself a lot today), you and others have  claimed that PP’s entire purpose is to promote abortion. Not true, but that doesn’t stop many on the right from demonizing the organization as some kind of abortion machine.  But then, many on the right are of the "abstinence only" mindset, and that is incredibly shortsighted.

We’ll never agree on this point, obviously. Once your bluster is dropped, you have agreed that PP is more than an abortion-provider. That was my goal from the outset.

McAir,

Not a particularly careful reader, are you?

"Similarly, I can acknowledge that Planned Parenthood probably does some good with its non-abortion related programs."

If you’ll be good enough to point out exactly where I specifically "claimed that PP’s entire purpose is to promote abortion" as you’ve said I did, I’ll be only to happy to offer an apology… if you will offer a similar apology when it becomes apparent that I have not made such a claim.

If you’ll be good enough to point out exactly where I specifically "claimed that PP’s entire purpose is to promote abortion" as you’ve said I did, I’ll be only to happy to offer an apology...  

Bat said: ...Planned Parenthood’s role as the nation’s foremost marketer, cheerleader, and provider of abortion services, and its incessant focus on younger and younger clients for those services.So what are you saying with this?

Good enough? I accept your apology.

That is not the same as saying it is the entire purpose, mcairhead. Again, work on that reading comprehension.

In Mcair’s world, the following statement:

"Microsoft is the world’s foremost marketer, cheerleader and provider of operating systems"

Would equate to:

"Microsoft’s  entire purpose is to sell Windows."

 The X-Box, mobile, Office and consumer electronics divisions of MS would certainly have something to say about that statement.

Note the very striking difference in the statements, Mcair? 

McAir,

It’s not much of a surprise that you would confuse perception with reality.  I guess wishful thinking just isn’t what it used to be.

"… you and others have claimed that PP’s entire purpose is to promote abortion."

Now, try again.  You’ll get that apology only if you are able to earn it. 

More to my point:

Just because Microsoft also sells videogames does not preclude them from being the leading purveyor of bilge software and low-grade intellectual evil in the world.

Banality?  That’s Sony’s department. 

Before I jumped into this thread, the focus was on PP’s role as an abortion provider - period. And that’s the way it would have gone. The amen chorus chirping in with their "baby killer" rants.

I added a little reality - that PP is in the business of providing reproductive services, of which abortion is but a part. That point you finally conceded.

Now you want to play semantic denial. That’s OK, I’ve made my point.

Does PP provide abortions?  Yup.  Are they the primary source of that particular brand of evil in the United States?  Yup.  Would they cease to have a real, sustainable function if abortion were to be outlawed tomorrow?  Yup.

Giving away condoms and literature to pimply teens is thin gruel, even for a non-profit org’s business model. 

McAir,

I’m glad you got to make your point. It’s just that you sholdn’t do so by putting words in other peoples mouth just to support your specious point of view.  At least not mine. 

Yes, mcairhead, PP is in the BUSINESS of providing abortions. And it is a very profitable business. Now please tell us all how PP is a benevolent non-profit with no political or financial bias at all. We never get tired of hearing that stupid, blind assed shit.

They treat STD’s, provide breast exams and pre-cancer screening for both men and women, provide adoption referrals, provide prescription contraceptives as well as non-prescription contraceptives, perform vasectomies (sp?), infertility testing and services, etc.  Nationally, right around 10% of their clients are abortion clients. 

I’d say that’s rather thick gruel indeed.  Mcair was right in bringing a bit of reality to an otherwise skewed thread.  You should applaud him for the education, rather than attack him here, he saved you some embarrassment in real life when you start spewing anti-PP venom at someone who actually uses facts.

CV Rick,

I think that with all the other options available today I’d probably choose not to rely on either you or McAir is I should find myself in need of education.  Thanks just the same.

As for that "saved" embarassment, I believe I’ll reserve my thanks on that. I’m old enough, and sage enough, to easily handle the opprobrium 

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We never get tired of hearing that stupid, blind assed shit.

Bat One, doesn’t he have to go on time out?

Yes, mcairhead, PP is in the BUSINESS of providing abortions. And it is a very profitable business. Now please tell us all how PP is a benevolent non-profit with no political or financial bias at all.

Actually, it was Batty who first pointed out that PP’s a non-profit.

Huh, huh, I said PP’s.

"Bat One, doesn’t he have to go on time out?"

Dave,

Absolutely!  And an extra hour tacked on because he left out the hyphen in "blind assed shit."   I’ll withhold judgement on the diction, only because of the intemperate nature of the overall comment.

Don’t make me go all Cartman on your Infidel asses.

Wow its sad how people can get caught up in the money even if it destroys lives. In this case even worse these are people (babies) who cant even decide for themselves. How would you feel to know that your mommy killed you for an ipod so she could listen to all of her music. I wonder if girls really do walk in there like hmmmmmm ipod or baby wow this is a hard decision like what kind of shampoo to use.

McAir, You are right Planned Parenthood does provide other services besides abortions BUT, as i have experianced all they care about is abortion i went in for a pregnancy test (it was negative) and all they kept talking about is the pros about abortion and i am so young this is a good oportunity blah blah. on another occation my close friend did get pregnant and her father wanted her to explore her options so he took her to planned parenthood (she was 18 by the way) all they talked about is abortion (which she is against) and why she should get one. this makes me think they are on one track.

Abortion is not free at Planed Parenthood. Pregancy prevention is not where the money is...I think contraception is given to people who can’t afford it. BUT, Not abortions.

I think contraception is given to people who can’t afford it. BUT, Not abortions.

I agree, abortion should be provided free of charge to those who cannot afford it.

I agree, abortion should be provided free of charge to those who cannot afford it.

Nothing’s "free," but why abortion? Should all medical procedures be provided "free of charge" for poor people?

Now we get to the money question, finally.  I have heard around $5,000 per abortion.  Where does PP get this money if a person "can not pay"My suspicions is:  US.  The taxpayers.  If that is true, they are offering an ipod to kill babies and collect $ from Taxpayers.  Anyone want to research this?  I’m a bit busy clearing our brush this morning and was thinking of this thread and question.

Does anyone realize that planned parenthood does not JUST do abortions? They also test for stds and other things. Would you rather have your child have an std, or have a baby? you know the whole thing about "SAFE" sex? Yeah, well I guess maybe some of you consider it to be abortion. Like I said, would you like your child to have an std or a baby?

by the way, I think sending your 18 year old off to war is the equivalent of murder.

hey, where’s my money? I got raped. There was no baby. I got stitches though. Want to see them? They cost me $10,000 and a few psychiatrists. Being in that abusive relationship made me wish I had birth control pills, but I had nowhere to go. When I finally did, I couldn’t afford the morning after pill, and it’s not like I’d do it over and over and over again. But it’s better in my opinion to avoid abortion by taking the pill. There was an agency similar to planned parenthood in my town, and they tried to convince me not to have sex while I was eating dinner with them. I must say, sex is a lovely dinner topic. Why don’t we just neuter our children, like cats and dogs? It wouldn’t be killing babies, it would be caring for your children.

by the way, I think sending your 18 year old off to war is the equivalent of murder.

Agreed. That is one of the reasons why I am happy that I live in America. In my country, only the willing sign up.

I agree, abortion should be provided free of charge to those who cannot afford it.

Or abortions should just not be given at all. Hmmm what a novel idea!!!