Kent Conrad: Health Care Bill Strengthens Medicare, Medicare Actuaries: No, It Won’t

Kent Conrad is putting on his used car salesman hat these days and trying to sell North Dakotans on an ugly, unpopular health care bill that no fewer than 3 polls have indicated that 2/3′s of them oppose. In a column in the Grand Forks Herald, Conrad actually claims that this health care bill will “strengthen” Medicare.

WASHINGTON — Bob Adams’ Jan. 8 column is an example of two of my greatest concerns about the discussion surrounding the health care reform process: the prevalence of misleading information and the disrespectful tone of the debate (“Conrad’s Medicare cuts hurt seniors,” Page A4).
Unfortunately, I am not surprised to see such misinformation being promoted by Adams. He is the leader of a controversial out-of-state group formed solely to attack health care reform. His letter distorts the facts and tries to scare North Dakota’s seniors.
Health care reform is an issue of importance to all North Dakotans, and it is vital that information is shared responsibly and accurately. So here are the facts:
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that I voted for will strengthen Medicare, reduce health care costs, expand coverage, help North Dakota’s families and small businesses afford health insurance and cut the deficit.

That’s a funny claim to make given that the Medicare and Medicaid actuaries just issued a report indicating that the health care bill will not only increase health care costs, it will actually drive many health care providers out of the Medicare/Medicaid programs. That report reads, in part:

[P]roviders for whom Medicare constitutes a substantive portion of their business could find it difficult to remain profitable and, absent legislative intervention, might end their participation in the program (possibly jeopardizing access to care for beneficiaries).

So would Conrad have us believe that this bill “strengthens” Medicare when the people actually responsible for administering that entitlement behemoth are saying the exact opposite?
Just how stupid does the Senator think we are?

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  • http://Array robert108

    “The money spent on defense, TRILLIONS, was a waste considering that those expensive defenses couldn’t stop BOXCUTTERS (!!!) from taking down the WTC.”

    Is this the latest Soros distraction from Obama’s failure to protect us, dino? Or is it the latest Soros talking point to distract us from Obama’s crazy political payoff spending?

    Please clarify.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Stealing 500 Billion out of Medicare when it’s already broke isn’t going to help. Neither are the taxes on non prescription medical devices that seniors use going to help them either.

    Conrad is a blooming liar. Nothing new.

  • sayanything-9974

    The lefties always try to cite these very impressive studies and statistics like we should all marvel at the intellect they possess. Health care reform, Cap and trade and global warmng are all BS and any idiot that that has the least bit of common sense knows that you cannot spend your way to prosperity and living beyond your means causes economic collapse. If Bullcrap was electricity we would not need to build another power house. The pointy headed psuedo intellectuals have such contempt for the average American citizen that they think it gives them the right to govern against the will of the people. The people will be heard and if they don’t hear us soon they may in for a rude awakening. We all need to remember the lack of transparency, corruption and thugocracy that has become the Dem/Libs that have lied and cheated there way into power. If these ideas are so good then why is there no support. The more details that are known the less support is engendered. The tipping point is near and hateful racebaiting socialist/commies need to be dealt with harshly and with predjudice. They are destroying the country and must be stopped. Dino – maybe you should move your beliefs and tolerance of others to Africa where they have laws on the books to handle rump rangers like yourself. The only rebuttal the libs ever muster is it is Bush’s fault. At least our country was safe. It only took two years of Democrat controlled Congress to put the country into an economic tailspin and there pat solution for everything is spend more money. I am at a loss to remember the last time the Dem/Libs were right about anything. The Surge wont work, The war in Iraq was lost, Stimulus will keep unemployment undr 8%, Cambridge police acted stupidly. Health care debate will be on C-Span. If health care is so urgent and must be passed immediately, why doesn’t it take effect until after te next presiden tial election. Reid said 1 person died every ten minutes because lack of health care. Thats 144 people per day, 1008 per week and over 52,000 per year. Why wait?- He wants to collect taxes while 200,000 people die. The list goes on and on. The people will be heard and it may get ugly. Give me Liberty or give me death

  • Rick

    Apparently the good senator hasn’t read the bill. Wonder what he does in Washington all day.

  • sayanything-3035

    draino is paid to post on SAB….it’s the Left’s way of waging blog war to put a salaried person on every major blog to disrupt and distract. SAB was rated as one of the top 50 blogs in America over a year ago and shortly thereafter, draino started carpet bombing this site with the Leftie line of BS, hate speech and general nonsense.

    I think these types are paid according to how many responses they can generate. That seems logical in light of how eager draino is to get a reaction.

    Consider how intellectually dishonest it is and much of a whore you’d have to be to earn money like draino does here……the self loathing factor must be very high and the hate index off the scale. But then that reflects exactly who the Lefties are so there is kinda a pathetic symmetry to the whole “dump poop of their blog site” scheme.

    I imagine either MOVE ON or HUFFINGTON is paying the bills and helping with the script draino uses. Either mothership of liberal propaganda is well financed and well practiced in this cyber sabotage business.

  • sayanything-203

    None of you has the intellectual capacity to address the material I posted.

    Stop feeling so sorry for yourself, Swish!

    The material you posted, like most of your comments, was irrelevant drivel. Perhaps when you learn not to be so hateful, hypocritical, and hyper-partisan, the adults here will start paying you the attention you crave.

    Besides, if you can’t answer the questions or challenges posed to you, then you’re probably not gonna have anyone interested in answering your questions either.

  • sayanything-4603

    sounds like a good Idea

  • robert108

    “None of you has the intellectual capacity to address the material I posted.”

    Malignant narcissism with delusions of grandeur.

  • sayanything-203

    I’m not so sure that CBO and/or JCT are as reliable a source for tax revenue and expenditure estimates as you might like to believe. As pointed out repeatedly by outside economists, such as Don Luskin here (http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/luskin200601270946.asp) both CBO and JCT are rather hide-bound in the static nature of their analysis. Most people understand that raising taxes on an economic activity will inevitably result in less of that activity, while reducing the federal impediment results in more. JCT in particular is immune to such a common sense approach to budget analysis.

  • sayanything-15427

    “None of you has the intellectual capacity to address the material I posted.”

    Can’t fit a mens size 12 foot into a toddler size 2 shoe.

    And you can’t argue with someone who is a zealot. Whether they are a religious zealot or a political zealot, they have complete faith in their beliefs even when confronted with facts to the contrary. Anything that goes against the party line is immediately dismissed without a single thought, and anyone who disagrees is obviously just too stupid to think for themselves and needs their betters to rule for them.

  • jimmypop

    yup. youre owned.

  • sayanything-203

    R108,

    I thought I’d just ignore that part. AV gets his thong all athwart if he thinks I’m being to arrogant. Kids are like that sometimes.

    Your description couldn’t be more accurate.

  • jimmypop

    just say you are owned and go to sleep.

    i will be honest, dinorob…… im just glad you didnt post your lies about conservatives running the country for the last 60 years….. while ignoring factual claims of places that have been totally run 100% by liberals for 30 years…… places like detroit, philly, new o, washington dc, california, blah, blah…..

  • sayanything-203

    Our august representatives in Washington can’t even manage to cut back on their own pet pork projects, commonly known as “earmarks.” To think that they are actually going to make $400 to $500 billion in cuts in Medicare, a program which is already technically insolvent, and do so just as the baby-boom generation hits retirement, is simply ludicrous.

    Kent Conrad is either a witless fool or a liar… and quite poossibly both!

  • sayanything-130

    maybe its best if you left the heavy lifting to the smart people……

    That’s precisely what the current administration (the smart people) is trying to do, despite opposition from the dumb people who got us into this mess and who actually believe their mess is what the people want (people = voters, remember).

  • sayanything-15427

    I agree DINO lets give the military control of intelligence gathering and defense inside the borders of the US. Lets get rid of law enforcement all together and replace it with National Guard. Then you can claim it was their fault if you want to.

    It wasn’t the defense department, it was the CIA and FBI that failed. So lets replace them with people who can get the job done.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    None of you has the (severely impaired) intellectual capacity to address the material I posted.

    Fixed that for you, Din!
    It may even be true! No one here speaks “Moronese”!

  • jimmypop

    Just how stupid does the Senator think we are?

    careful…. he just might answer.

  • sayanything-4422

    Dino, you are a real idiot. Since when did we have military member stationed at airports on 9-11-01? It was government employees that failed to connect the dots leading up to that day. Our military is the finest in the world and only a mental midget like you would criticize them.

    Yep lets pull a half a trillion out of medicare and push more people into the program and make it more solvent. Conrad must think we are a bunch of fools out here. He has made his mind up on this health care bill. We can vote him out in 5 years. Hopefully a Republican counterpart in the senate can at least counteract the damage that Kent will cause.

  • sayanything-4603

    so what your saying is that dino is more like a dung beetle that gobbles up s**t and drags here to eat it in front of us to make us sick watching him eat his diet

  • jimmypop

    That’s right, $234 billion over 10 years is miniscule compared to the amount that we are expected to spend on healthcare over that period, which is $35.5 trillion. You read that right: $35.5 trillion, of which the increase attributed to reform is just 0.7 percent. That’s not a bad bargain, considering that reform legislation is expected to cover an additional 31 million people.

    silly dinorob, you just proved what we already knew…. lets pretent your ‘facts’ are actually facts….. we are going to cover 31M people with a cost increase of .7%? yup, that makes a ton of sense. so costs will go up for the average person and service will go down for the average person. period. the rich will still have better care at private hospitals. period. even if they have to go to india. every time you liberals try to help, you make it worse. maybe its best if you left the heavy lifting to the smart people……

  • sayanything-4603

    what we learn is that democraps lie and the trolls on drugs lap it up because it feels just as good to them as the drug, dino is a poster child for the High Times mag. hell my dad could do a better job than conmen conrad & dorken, and hes been dead for years.

  • sayanything-51

    From the linked report:

    The Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation have estimated that the total net amount of Medicare savings and additional tax and other revenues would somewhat more than offset the cost of the national coverage provisions resulting in an overall reduction in the Federal deficit through 2019.

    From the bush crime family history:

    Inquiry Confirms Top Medicare Official Threatened Actuary Over Cost of Drug Benefits

    WASHINGTON, July 6— An internal investigation by the Department of Health and Human Services confirms that the top Medicare official threatened to fire the program’s chief actuary if he told Congress that drug benefits would probably cost much more than the White House acknowledged.

    …When President Bush signed the Medicare bill on Dec. 8, he hailed it as ”the greatest advance in health care coverage for America’s seniors since the founding of Medicare” in 1965…

    … Mr. Foster had estimated that the Medicare legislation would cost $500 billion to $600 billion over 10 years. The White House told Congress the cost would not exceed $400 billion.

    The Truth always hurts the gop.

  • sayanything-106

    Isn’t there like 37 billion unfunded mandates in Social Security?

  • sayanything-4422

    Dino, I dare you tell that to the faces of the brave heroes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yep, just sit there and hide behind your “A” pajamas. You are a disgrace.

  • sayanything-9974

    I will gladly join the ignore Dino crowd. There are a couple of other idiots that are near that level as well.

  • sayanything-4603

    You’re just awful people. Not worth the dirt to bury you under.

    we now know why you are just a bitter troll , you probly herd your father telling all his friends and family he should have run that bach off by hand,he must have realized you were a loser when you were born.

  • sayanything-4416

    The money spent on defense, TRILLIONS, was a waste considering that those expensive defenses couldn’t stop BOXCUTTERS (!!!) from taking down the WTC.

    Keep giving them HALF A TRILLION A YEAR for failure. With that kind of money they should have had the foresight to predict such a scenario as 9/11. That’s what intelligence is for. But the military is too involved with globe-trotting to pay attention to their purpose.

    You want to talk about a failure of government, look no further than the Pentagon. Lazy, dim-witted career military idiots who couldn’t make it in a real job in the private sector, not even a non-military government job! No skills of foresight, no ability to project scenarios. Fat, lazy, stupid men.

  • sayanything-7654

    Does Dino think he is convincing people of anything? There must be a blog that the 25% who still believe in Obama and this Congress he could go to!

  • sayanything-98

    The Truth sometimes hurts. There is no free lunch, but many in line for free services who refuse to work for it.

  • sayanything-4416

    None of you has the intellectual capacity to address the material I posted. All you have is that constant bitter, cynical hope that everything fail since you lost an election.

    You’re just awful people. Not worth the dirt to bury you under.

  • sayanything-4416

    I wouldn’t take money to do something I love so much.

    Here I get to destroy your ignorance-based arguments and make you feel like the cretins that you are. I get to poke you with sticks while educating you as much as possible, if that’s possible.

  • tarpon

    I notice that Obama got elected by telling everyone about his ‘Chavez’ free lunch program he would serve them.

    The free lunch always seems to end at the free room and board gulag … Something our young seem not to understand. You know the ones with the Mao Tees, the hammer and sickle flags … You can’t fix stupid.

  • sayanything-98

    Thanks, tarpon. Yes, socialism and the communism that follows control demand by eliminating those who have worked and built up all their resources. Then they eat their own.

    Read The Bridge at Andau !

  • sayanything-4416

    Wow, you’re a health care economics expert, too!

    And here I thought you just followed people around all day with a camera to screw them out of disability payments!

  • sayanything-4416

    More analysis from The New Republic:

    New Cost Estimate on Senate Bill

    The bad news: Overall, according to the estimate, we’ll be spending more on health care come 2019 than we would if we did nothing.

    The not-so-bad news: The difference is tiny, in relative terms, and even smaller than it was for the House bill, which was hardly big.

    The good news: The underlying trend is in the right direction. As more time passes, it’s more likely we’ll save money.

    According to the projection, under reform the government will reduce its spending on Medicare significantly. Establishing a commission on the cost of Medicare will reduce it further, although not by much in the early years. And a tax on the most expensive health insurance plans will curb spending in the private sector.

    Over time, the cumulative effect of these changes will grow, so that the gap between what we’d spend on health care without reform and what we’d spend with it will shrink. In 2019, the last year of the projection, the difference–that is, the amount of extra money our society devotes to health care–is a measly $23 billion out of more than $4.5 trillion total.

    That’s 0.5 percent–not five percent, but zero-point-five percent. If that were the price of expanding insurance to around 40 million people, it’d be an absolute bargain.

    But the actual price may be even lower, at least as time goes forward. The Medicare Actuary does not project beyond the 2019 window. But it’s reasonable to assume that if the trend holds until 2019, it will hold for a few years beyond, to the point where medical care spending really would come down.

    And, in the end, the long-term trends on spending are what we really care about. It’s the potential for health reform to gobble up huge chunks of our national wealth twenty, thirty, or forty years from now. That’s the whole argument behind “bending the curve.”

    But I understand that that isn’t the kind of information you seek out. You only want to read “Health Care Reform Fails” so you can high-five like you did when the Olympics skipped over Chicago. You on;y want to see failure, bad news, decline.

    It’s what makes you people insurgents when you lose an election.

  • tarpon

    They can’t, what they are actually doing is reducing the doctor payouts by a lot. A friend of mine who is a doctor says he will stop taking the Medicare patients if this happens. He says he cannot run his business on the new reduced amounts.

    He also wonders why nothing on the junk lawsuits, the jackpot lawsuits he sees filed so often by lawyers who hope one in a hundred will score — All cost the doctor and his insurance company plenty to defend.

  • sayanything-4416

    You people have nothing to offer humanity but your ignorance and greed. Nothing whatsoever. You’ve never evolved past the point of grunting, filthy, savages.

    In days gone by, people like you and most other American conservatives would have been ejected from civil society to be eaten by large predatory animals.

  • sayanything-4416

    The biggest welfare program we have is the military. A half a TRILLION dollars a year and they couldn’t stop BOXCUTTERS.

    Yet they continue to receive their welfare without fail.

  • sayanything-4416

    I expected no other response from one of the dimmest bulbs on the blog.

  • bikebubba

    Given that the overhead on Medicare is actually pretty low, exactly how can one argue that major cuts in Medicare’s funding are not going to have consequences for patients using the program?

    One can pull any amount of rhetorical, statistical, or other games to try to obfuscate the matter, but the end of it all is that when you take money out of an entrprise, it is actuarially less sound. Period.

  • sayanything-7654

    Question, if no one responds to the troll, does he still get paid? Kind of like rewarding a child’s bad behavior. I vow to stop reading and responding to him. He’ll probably start typing in all caps demanding some attention. Bye, Bye Dino.

  • sayanything-4416

    You won’t ignore me because I always post intelligent sources that destroy your deeply-held, ignorant beliefs.

    It drives you crazy. You can’t refute what I post and it gets you all frustrated and confused.

    It’s quite entertaining.

  • sayanything-7654

    point? What do you think the fools in DC are doing now?

    WASHINGTON — As Democratic leaders continue talks this week over how to pay for health care legislation, they are coming under renewed pressure from independent analysts who question whether long-term savings called for in the bill are realistic.
    From proposed Medicare cuts to a program for seniors that would accumulate money only in its first years, the bill contains provisions that add up to billions in savings and revenue. But analysts such as Joseph Antos of the conservative American Enterprise Institute question whether they can be achieved.

    “Great ideas on paper usually don’t pan out for reasons we can’t see now,” Antos said.

    Among the assumptions included in those projections:

    •The Senate bill calls for $438 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid over a decade. About one-fourth of the cuts come from Medicare Advantage, which are Medicare plans run by private insurers; 42% would result from trims in Medicare payments to doctors and hospitals.

    A December Department of Health and Human Services (HSS) report said some of the cuts “may be unrealistic” and could reduce access to care. Rudolph Penner, a fellow at the Urban Institute, said it would be “very hard” politically for Congress to ultimately allow the cuts to occur.

    Paul Van de Water, a senior fellow with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, counters that Congress has allowed proposed Medicare cuts to go into effect in the past. “Medicare reductions have been part and parcel of most major deficit reduction efforts in recent years,” he said.

    •A proposed insurance program for senior care would collect $72 billion over 10 years even though government reports have raised questions about its long-term sustainability. Current, active workers would pay into the program for five years before becoming eligible for nursing home or in-home care subsidies.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    And here I thought you just followed people around all day with a camera to screw them out of disability payments!

    It was their workers’ compensation benefits, actually, and what I did was catch them defrauding people.

    But nice diversion from Conrad’s duplicity. Would you like to attack me some more, or perhaps respond to Conrad lies?

  • bikebubba

    Dino, the trillions spent to defend our country most notably protected our nation from being overrun by Communists. If you are confused about why this is a good thing, may I suggest reading some Valladares or Solzhenitsyn? While not every dollar is well spent, and not every program well run, there is a reason we spend money to defend our borders. If you still beg to differ, I suggest you get a one way ticket to Havana and see how you like it there.

    And your “analyses” need no response, as they concede the point; the bill as it stands increases overall medical spending and cuts Medicare, endangering it actuarially. Do you know any class of people who are more eager to take a job when the pay scale drops? Me either.

  • sayanything-4416

    Doing some reading on it, something I doubt very much you ever do, I found it’s a mixed bag with nothing certain.

    The Foster guy has been talking like this for a while now:

    Medicare Actuary Report Means Little in Overall Reform Context

    In politics, perception is everything. So when Richard Foster, the chief actuary for Medicare, said on Friday that the Senate reform bill would raise, rather than lower, healthcare spending over the next 10 years, Republicans went ballistic and Democrats went on the defensive. But before the rest of us get carried away, let’s bear a few basic facts in mind: 1) Foster was talking about overall healthcare spending, not Medicare costs (the government deficit would decline as a result of the proposed reforms, according to the Congressional Budget Office); 2) nobody can measure the potential impact of the delivery-system reforms in the proposal; and 3) the amount by which Foster said reform would increase total health costs is miniscule.

    That’s right, $234 billion over 10 years is miniscule compared to the amount that we are expected to spend on healthcare over that period, which is $35.5 trillion. You read that right: $35.5 trillion, of which the increase attributed to reform is just 0.7 percent. That’s not a bad bargain, considering that reform legislation is expected to cover an additional 31 million people.

    A Blow to Health Reform? CMS Sees Cost Problems With Bill

    Perhaps the main argument Democrats have been using to argue for health reform is that it will “bend the cost curve.” And the bill will extend the life of Medicare by 5 years. And to that point, the report estimates that the bill will extend the solvency of Medicare’s hospital trust fund by 9 years It also finds that costs for individuals on Medicare would fall, perhaps as much as $700 per year for a couple on Medicare.

    Democrats countered that the CMS report was actually good news.

    Democrats argued in a paper statement that in the last year of the CMS cost estimate, the spending growth slows under the Democrats’ bill and that slowing would continue after 2019.

    “There is a lot of great news in the report released today by the CMS actuary,” said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont. “This report is yet another independent, non-partisan analysis making clear health reform will extend the life of Medicare for nearly a decade and reduce premiums and cost-sharing for Medicare beneficiaries by nearly $500 per couple annually. Also, the report shows that health reform will ensure both the federal government and the American people spend less on health care than if this bill doesn’t pass, helping get a hold of America’s debt and keep more money in people’s pockets. This report is yet another clear indicator that we have to act – and act now.”

    But if it isn’t a perfect fix, it isn’t worth doing right? We should do nothing, right? That’s your true agenda. The single-minded goal of stopping anything from happening for the next 3 years.

    You people are still so bitter and angry over your loss, the stabilization of the economy, the failed terror attempt.

    DAMMIT, YOU WANT CARNAGE AND YOU WANT IT NOW!

    If you can’t drive you want to see the car blow up!

    That’s some serious sickness you people harbor. Worse than terrorists.

    Hey, maybe we should scrap all government spending that isn’t perfect! Let’s start by zeroing out the Pentagon for allowing 9/11! Or is that what a conservative considers an effective defense program? Spending HALF A TRILLION A YEAR for nothing?

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