Whoa boy, you want to destroy government and the US. If you succeed no one will have a pension and we will most likely be at war. Yet you are in here defending government. Go play the hypocrite card somewhere else chump. We know that you don’t care one way or another. Its just a little game you play to get under people’s skin. All you deserve on this board is mockery of your ideas and hypocrisy so that is all you’ll get from me.

I have been and done all the things I said I was.

Then you’ve mastered nothing? You show that everytime you post. Good to see that your life is a chaotic as your rambling incompetence on this blog.

I am not denying anybody deserves a pension…..strange that you are Neiman, buddy ol pal.

Even better, Pil, publish the list of advertisers who left Glenn Beck, and withdraw their financial support, along with sending them letters and emails describing how much you disapprove of their de facto censorship of his free speech.

2h9:

So you plan to spend more than you have to—for spite?

Go ahead, knock yourself out.

* rolling my eyes unto the heavens *

jackoff, you just got done bragging you let your wife die a slow agonizing death, fuck you.

Pilgrim:

If you plan to spend your valuable time and money just to annoy others—well, all I can say is that you must be fun at parties.

Buying food, jackoff considers that a waste of money. What fucking moron.

We are planning to load out on long term store able dry goods and canned goods, and while we are in the area we are gonna hit Battery Warehouse and load up on Ds, Cs, AAs and AAAs. Make a day of it, go to OutBack or maybe Bobby Rabbinos! Hit Ace Sporting Goods and pick up some more .38 Short Colt, too.

2h9:

…jackoff…

This is what conservatives call "being clever."

Tell me—why are conservatives so goddamn unoriginal?

Why can't you afford to shop at Whole Foods, Pilgrim? You have that fat, generous, government pension you got for only working until you were 55.

You know, the pension the GOVERNMENT pays you for years spent sitting on your fat ass eating donuts or holding a radar gun?

Why complain about government when government pays you to sit around and bitch about government?

Stupid stem.

So you plan to spend more than you have to—for spite?

Actually, little jackie, it's called economic freedom, and it's one of those things that Americans have in great abundance, to the consternation of you leftie totalitarians.

The posters are for spite, stupid bitch, buying food is always a good idea. Thats why you don't.

Dino,

Please explain, if you can, why Pilgrim's pension is any of your fucking business.

Granted, he is one of the ones here who regularly makes you look like a fool, but that's certainly no great accomplishment, and you should certainly be used to it by now.

So, again, why is his pension any of your concern?

Ah, poor little jackoff. Got its teeth kicked in, yet again, and now it is crying. Squeeze out some tears for us, we love laughing at that shit.

Pil, your pension is dinothefakehomo's bidness because you paid for it. Get it?

Pilgrim… Don't you guys get it? dino's ONLY purpose here is to run you down.

he will take special pleasure in your outrage.

Are you Pilgrims attorney?

No, I am his friend.

Yawn.

Pilgrim, the Republicans have been reduced to a party of nothing but irritating liberals.

You guys are out of solutions, and big on hyperbole and platitudes….but that's about it.

No, I am his friend.
Bat One on August 29, 2009 at 09:49 am

Good. I am glad we got that one out of the way.

If you plan to spend your valuable time and money just to annoy others—well, all I can say is that you must be fun at parties.

Hahahaha! He's got a point Pilgrim!

But in all honesty, I suspect Pilgrim probably is fun at parties, unlike the completely mentally unbalanced 2hotel, and snooty-pants faux intellect, BatOne.

Pilgrim is just exemplifying the problem we are facing in politics today. He is upset, about something, more than likely a dramatic change in comfort level with the change and hope that is being ushered in by someone who is unfamiliar to him.

Someone who doesn't think like the does, who is smarter than he is and who has the courage to actually do something instead of sit around for 8 years and pretend that he is helping our country by bombing another one into the the ground.

They are afraid, very afraid. So instead of offer rational debate, they attempt to annoy us. To poke unintelligently at the only offered solutions to a problem that is currently harming America.

They can look you square in they eye and simply make shit up. Cash For Clunkers immediately comes to mind.

They are out of ideas……all they have left is annoying us.

Don't let them distract you from the important work that needs to be done.

Continue to shine light unto their hidden and dark agenda.

Jack,

Boy dont I know it!

Sen. Mike Enzi (R) of Wyoming delivered the Republican address this morning, and not surprisingly, talked about health care reform. The message was unequivocal.

Democratic healthcare reform will drive up the deficit, discriminate against the elderly and do little to control costs, Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) alleged in the weekly Republican radio address.

Enzi, ranking member of the Senate Health, Education and Labor Committee and a member of the so-called "group of six" senators working for a bipartisan compromise, also accused Democrats of hurrying the legislative process.

"The Democrats are trying to rush a bill through the process that will actually make our nation's finances sicker without saving you money," Enzi said in the weekly GOP address. "The American people are growing increasingly concerned about out of control spending in Washington that's leaving us with trillions of dollars of debt."

Adopting one of the GOP's favored lines of attack, Enzi said the plan would particularly hurt the elderly.

""These bills also raid Medicare," Enzi said. "This will result in cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from the elderly to create new government programs."

These are garbage arguments, and Enzi knows it. No serious person should take them seriously. That Enzi made them the official party message of the week says a great deal about the ridiculous way in which the Republican Party is treating the debate. (Seriously, Dems are "rushing"? How much slower can this process go?)

But let's also note the larger context: Mike Enzi is one of just three Senate Republicans negotiating towards a "bipartisan compromise" on reform. This morning he sounded like a right-wing, talk-radio loudmouth, but he's nevertheless one of the key lawmakers Democrats expect to work with in good faith.

On Monday, Enzi told constituents he has no intention of compromising with Democrats, and is only engaged in negotiations with Democrats so he can force concessions on a deal he's likely to oppose anyway. And on Saturday, he's trashing the underlying basics of the reform package.

The majority is trying to find common ground on health care reform with someone who opposes health care reform. With each passing day, this gets slightly more insane.

As Krugman recently explained: "The central fact of the health care debate is that there is essentially no agreement on anything — values, philosophy, vision of how the world works — between the two sides. Progressives want universal coverage, and see an expanded government role as essential to getting there. Conservatives believe, in the face of all evidence, that free markets are the answer. And Enzi is very conservative. According to Vote View, my site for left-right rankings, Enzi was the 8th most conservative Senator in the last Congress — almost in the same league as Inhofe or DeMint. This is the quest for bipartisanship gone stark raving mad."

Hahahaha!

Jack, I'm not a fella; I'm a woman. And I'm not concerned about a few extra dollars for items I can't buy in my town.

Pilgrim is more than likely receiving tax free disability retirement.

Chimpstem is starting to get the vapors!

I think when refering to DINO shit stain or ass munch works better.

It's funny to read the self-righteous squealing from the leftiestems about people collecting from the programs they've been forced to fund for their entire working lives through greedy taxationrobert108 on August 29, 2009 at 11:45 am

Forced? Forced you say?
Man oh man! This country is built upon free people making free choices.
I fail to understand how free people, did not freely choose to move to Bangladesh where they will not be forced into programs,and forced to fund such programs for their entire working lives through greedy taxation.

That should be; "…even dumber than I thought…"

"Because it's the tax payers money, Jackass!!!"

No, you whiny lying cunt, it is Pilgrim's money. Taken from his pay throughout his working career. Now he gets it back, with substantial interest, and THAT is what pisses off you whiny lying cunts.

Are you Pilgrims attorney?

Are you Dino's? If so, Dino is so fucked!

Public employees like police officers such as Pilgrim, get their pensions funded by taxpayers…

As always, dino manages to get it wrong.

Public employees, particularly police officers, EARN their pension, day by day. They don't 'get' them.

Look at PP, making a distinction without a difference.

We all earn our pensions pal. We just don't get them.

Went to friend's house to watch the Saints pound the Raiders 45 to 7. Heh. So I haven't been here to reply to the idiots who seem to have nothing better to do than deride me and my career.

Ellinas:

Pilgrim is more than likely receiving tax free disability retirement.

Wrong.

My pension is a twenty year pension. Period. No disability. I earned it. And I paid into it the whole time. Nobody is giving me anything. Don't like it? Tough. Maybe when you grow up you'll get one, little fella.

You know, the bitterness and hatred of the left has been clearly illustrated here today in this thread.

If the best they can do is criticize me for concluding a succesful career then it shows they really don't have anything else, doesn't it?

Pathetic, really.

There is honor in his service and he deserves a pension, and there is a huge difference pal.

A difference compared to what?……..Pal.

BULLSHIT

The states fund public employee pensions from TAXPAYERS' MONEY. The amount added by the employee, IF ANY, is nowhere near what is needed to fund these very lucrative deals. So lucrative that people like our little Pilgrim can retire at 55!

Downturn Clobbers Public Pension Funds

The market downturn is ravaging public pension funds across the United States, with many state and local governments seeing more than 20 percent of their retirement pools swept away in the turmoil.

The losses could force some states and local governments to ask taxpayers to pay more into the funds or to demand more contributions from the police, teachers and other government employees whom the benefits cover.

And who is out to destroy public pensions? The same people that hate seeing anyone get a fair shake, the conservatives Pilgrim supports while he enjoys the protections of generous liberal pensions.

New Scrutiny Of Public Pension Funds

The survey data revealed most citizens are uninformed about public pensions and have little interest in changing the system. According to the paper, "There does not appear to be a real groundswell of discontent on the issue of public pensions and no demand rising up from ordinary citizens for wholesale changes. It appears that efforts to dismantle public pensions are tied to partisan politics and organized ideological interest groups."

While the survey research showed individual Republicans had little concern about public plans, there was a correlation between Republican-controlled legislatures and movements to dismantle traditional government pension plans.

And what do the rest of us get while Pilgrim is sitting around watching football at 55 thanks largely to the generosity of the Louisiana TAXPAYER? We get shitty 401ks that really ARE self-funded with no guarantee like that of pensions, paticularly PUBLIC PENSIONS which guarantee a very generous return no matter WHAT your investments do over the years. It's a no-brainer.

While the private employee now is at the mercy of the markets and their fluctuations thanks to the "free market" religion that Pilgrim SAYS he believes in, he was always guaranteed a great return. If the pension fund is low on cash they simply go get more from THE TAXPAYER.

Defined Benefit Pensions Threatened

–Pension Benefit Guarantee Corp.-insured private-sector DB plans have been in decline since the 1980s; as of 2007, U.S. companies sponsored around 30,000 DB plans, down from over 114,000 in 1985. This trend seems to be accelerating. The majority of Fortune 100 firms now only offer new employees defined-contribution plans. According to Watson Wyatt, a consulting firm, this is the first time that has happened.

And look at all the private pension plans that have gone broke leaving their participants NOTHING. But don't worry about Pilgrim, he'll continue to snag his benefits as long as the state of Louisiana has a Treasury! God love the GUBMINT, eh Pilgrim?

Maybe he'll come clean about who is paying for his health care until he hits 65. My guess is that the TAXPAYERS of Louisiana are giving him the best benefits other peoples' money can buy our friend Pilgrim! You could call his health plan a PUBLIC OPTION since it's paid for by the GOVERNMENT.

Incredibly well said, Hannitized…

Look at PP, making a distinction without a difference. We all earn our pensions pal. We just don't get them.

But since the discussion was about PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, I though it best to confine myself to that subject.

However, feel free to rant about anything you want.

And PP, you're not the only person commenting here. I know you cons think the world revolves around you but sometimes it's about someone ELSE.

Sorry, dino… I thought you knew… a pension is part of the salary a public employee earns over a lifetime. That's why it's taxed as income.

It's a perk given them by the public from TAXPAYER MONEY

A perk it may be, but just like your future pension, it is a part of your lifetime earned income as all perks are, regardless of who pays it or why – a factor you carefully considered when choosing an employer.

So tell us, PP. What is your government pension like?

Well, since I am fully and gainfully employed, I don't get a pension.

It's a perk given them by the public from TAXPAYER MONEY…

Wrong, as usual, little stem! It is deferred income, part of the employee's total compensation. Again you demonstrate your lack of an education in economics.

Government is the last place one can reliably draw a pension now

Actually, that's not true either, dino. The Dept. of Labor reports that public employment and teaching are the two safest job catagories in the country just now.

Trust me, fool, conseratives do not begrudge or resent pensions, provided they have been earned.

Unlike liberal cockroaches, we just don't believe in hand-outs to those who won't work at the expense of those who do.

"Public employees like police officers such as Pilgrim, get their pensions funded by taxpayers OTHER THAN them."

Wrong, whiny lying cunt. But hey, keep spewing lies, its all you have.

My pension is a twenty year pension. Period. No disability. I earned it. And I paid into it the whole time. Nobody is giving me anything. Don't like it? Tough. Maybe when you grow up you'll get one, little fella.

So Pilgram is a Union man, and is sitting pretty right now because of his Union contract, which was negotiated for him by Union officials. And yet he blasts the same Union men that took care of his wages, benefits, retirement, his whole carrier.

What a POS. I see this shit all the time, disabled police and firefighters getting full pay, because of their Union contract, and still bashing Unions over the head. Un-fucking believable.

It's not about right or wrong to them Buzz, it's about what side they are on.

Who creates a post designed just to jab their opponents in they eye, if not for partisans who are bent on being pissy.

BuzzBait,

Non union workers have pensions too.

I'm one year away from retirement at 55 and I'll be cashing in. No union background. Didn't need it. Don't want it.

thanks but no thanks

Being a government employee is even better than being in a union. You have the state Treasury and legislature behind you.

According to the stems like you, there should be no government employees.

The private sector should take care of our needs, right? And even if you approve of government employment, you people normally bristle at the perks that Pilgrim is getting such as early retirement and a fat pension paid by the TAXPAYER.

According to the stems like you, there should be no government employees.

The private sector should take care of our needs, right? And even if you approve of government employment, you people normally bristle at the perks that Pilgrim is getting such as early retirement and a fat pension paid by the TAXPAYER.

This should be fun, where and when have I or the others on SAB bitched about the pensions of firefighters, police, teachers, soldiers or others? Can you provide proof of that or like most things you say are you just screeching about the what the voices in your head say.

Now, when have people said that government should have no employee's? I would like for you to prove that one too! Smaller government doesn't mean no government. It means what it says, smaller government, closer to the point of use would be better than large, centralized government. I know its hard for you to believe but the problems in Alabama are different that in Oregon. Different solutions are needed. But hey, your just here to troll so keep on screeching about whatever it is you want to screech about. You are an entertaining idiot!

Conservatives here at SAB have blamed the public employees of California for that state's problems. They blame government for everything.

You only start talking out of the other side of your mouth when you or one of yours gets caught in a contradiction. That's typical.

Conservatives here at SAB have blamed the public employees of California for that state's problems. They blame government for everything.

No, I blame politicians that try to buy votes. State employees are just one part of the problems in that state. Guess what, if you spend at outrageous levels you can't expect to stay solvent. I know you like to think that you can raise taxes to whatever level you need to cover spending people aren't stupid enough to fall for that. They move and then you are left with problems. Tell me this Dino, if liberal thought actually worked then why are Democratic strongholds like California and Michigan in such trouble? I really want to hear this one!

Greg the Southern Cracker predicts Dino will blame it on "conservative policies" or some such nonsense.

Pilgram was a police officer, don't you feel bad that your kind don't pack the stones to do a dangerous job like being a police officer and have to use conservatives because they are the only people brave enough to do the job.

There's plenty of liberal cops up here in Portland and even when I worked for a dept in the midwest.

Being a police officer isn't all that dangerous. Working in a meat packing house is more dangerous. After all, the cops get to carry guns.

Bottom line: People benefiting from fat, generous government pensions should shut the fuck up about government spending.

I was part of a state pension system Batshit.

Public pensions are very generous and guarantee a return even if the fund decreases. You won't get that with a 401k.

If you fucksticks want to blame government, government spending and government workers for the woes of the state and federal governments then a discussion of Pilgrim benefiting from government spending is a worthy one.

Any time I can slam you people with you hypocrisy it's my business. If you benefit from government generosity you should SHUT THE FUCK UP about government being the problem.

If you benefit from government generosity you should SHUT THE FUCK UP

Interesting insight into the mind of a liberal… the view that government is a benign – even kindly – and all-powerful uncle bestowing his generosity on a grateful people whose only responsibility is to keep their mouths shut.

This may be the best and shortest definition of liberalism ever penned.

Dino,

In other words, I was exactly right in my description of how most state, country, and municipal employees pensions actually are structured, and funded, while you are too ignorant, too stupid, and too much a witless partisan hack to recognize that you are wrong, and too dishonest to admit it.

If you actually were once covered by a public pension, you obviously didn't learn shit about how they work or who pays for them and how. But then the very same could be said for just about every economic or financial comment you've ever offered here. The structure of pensions and the function of annuities are clearly no exception to your ignorance… or your petulance.

Any time I can slam you people with you hypocrisy it's my business. If you benefit from government generosity you should SHUT THE FUCK UP about government being the problem.

Ah Dino, there's no need to get all upset and shout. What's hypocritical about contracting and working for benefits? Its not like you where you want to get items for free from people that a better than you in each and every way!

There's plenty of liberal cops up here in Portland and even when I worked for a dept in the midwest

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How old are you, a thousand? You've been a chemist, a cop, a professor, a teacher and whatever else floats into your head. I guess you think it makes your argument more authentic.

You can do all the backflips you want it won't change the facts that this conservative shitheel is benefiting greatly from GOVERNMENT SPENDING of TAXPAYER MONEY.

This is really what's killing Dino. He hates it when conservatives "take from" the government. If you are a leech or vote Democratic you are welcome to the government teat. If not, you don't deserve the money, even though you earned it through hard work and sacrifice. That fool is just a partisan hack that wants to buy votes.

He hates it when conservatives "take from" the government.

No, I just flat out hate conservatives. I find it repugnant when they complain about government while depending on government for their income, livelihood or health care. Pilgrim hit the trifecta by managing to do all three.

You're all just a bunch of selfish assholes until it's you that's benefiting from government spending. There's nothing "better" about you.

I have been and done all the things I said I was.

Uneducated little stem doesn't understand the concepts of "employment contract" and "total compensation". When the contract for services between employer and employee is entered into, both agree that the employee is worth everything included in the total compensation package, which may include pensions and other deferred benefits.
By agreeing to the contract, the employer(in this case, the govt) agrees that the work contracted from the employee is worth the compensation offered. In other words, no debt is incurred by the employee by accepting any and all compensation.
Pensions are earned, dumb little stem.
The govt owes that money to the employee, which it has taken the power to disburse.
Only a hateful moron like you would try to make an issue about an employee receiving his legal compansation.
The problem with govt waste is not with the employee, but with the nature of excessive govt, which bears all the responsibility for any waste.

Government pensions are funded by the taxpayers. Even if there's some addition from the employee, the state funds the pension from TAXPAYER MONEY.

Hmmm! Backing up already, Swish? I'm not surprised. You apparently believe that the only people who should be allowed to voice their opinion are witless ignoramuses like you. Which is more than a little amusing given just how little you really know about the subjects you comment on. You probably believe the stupid liberal fiction that your employer pays half your FICA and Medicare taxes too.

Government pensions are funded by the taxpayers.

Hey look a cross reference from another thread. This is from Dino's own mouth.

Fuck your pledge of fascism. I don't do it either. It's government and we hate government so I'm not pledging allegiance to any land mass.

So which is it clown, do you hate government or is it the source of all that's good and right? And you call us hypocrites! You can't even keep you story straight from one thread to the next.

Keep trolling, trolling, trolling
Though your head is swollen
Keep your story trolling, Dino!

Don't try to understand him
just ignore, rope and brand him
and soon he'll be screeching loud and long!

No union. No union contract. No union protection. No union retirement. But thanks for playing, buzz.

Bullshit, some Union negotiated your contract, you might be in a right to work state, but some Union got you what you have. And you fucking know it.

You show that everytime you post. Good to see that your life is a chaotic as your rambling incompetence on this blog.

"Everytime" isn't a word.

All of my jobs have built upon the previous one and are all related to the education and experience I've received along the way. I'm sorry that you have so little adventure in your life.

Pretty sweet deal for someone who wants government destroyed.

Then you should be happy yet you are still here acting like a troll. Why?

Pilgrim!!!! Just got on Quinn&Rose; and put the Buycott in the wind. Rose was already going to bring up the Whole Foods situation in the first segment, now we got the word out national.

Buy, babe, buy! Spending money on food is always a good idea. Lay in plenty of long term storeable goods, of which Whole Foods has quite a selection. And buy big!!

Remember, dino says he used to ride along in police squad cars. I suppose they brought him along as back up protection.

They used his razor wit as a hostage negotiator. He saved the gerbils from harm when crazed fart knockers held them hostage.

heh

The pensions are funded by taxpayer money, particularly when there are shortfalls which there are. Louisiana's system is only 64% funded. I wonder where the rest will come from?

Even private pensions, lately, are funded by taxpayers as more private pensions go broke and are picked up by the federal government, PBGC. Here's an article from 2006. It's gotten worse since.

The failing pension system in the U.S. private sector: have we seen the worst yet?

Pensions are funded with dollars taken from workers pay. Now, just cut&paste; the same lie, dinothefakehomo, and keep posting it. Thats all you have.

Pensions are funded by dollars taken from workers pay. I know, that is a vastly complicated sentence, full of really big words, but if you sound them out you MIGHT eventually understand them.

Louisiana's system is only 64% funded. I wonder where the rest will come from?

A better, more pertinent question would be to ask where the other 36% has gone. If it is true that Louisiana state employees' pensions are only 64% funded (asserted but not proven!) the question is where was the rest of the money diverted to, and who done the diverting? I think its safe to assume that the money was 100% withheld from the employees' paychecks, so where's the rest of the money?

Really, which government/Union controlled pensions are failing? List them for us, whiny lying cunt.

The republicans, who controlled much of the federal government these last 30 years, did nothing to address these undefunded programs but instead added to their shortfalls DELIBERATELY to break and destroy government. The failure of the private plans is a result of the conservative paradigm that dominated over this period, the same one which led many corporations to act irresponsibly.

Adding healthcare is something we'd pay for anyway. Making headway to rein in costs makes sense. You short-sighted stems are too stupid to realize this.

And when has government ever "reined in" cost or spending. Lay it on us.

I've wiped the floor with you so many times …

The only thing you ever wiped was sperm from your chin.

Half of what you post is pure lies and the other half is delusional babble.

Good luck storming the castle!!!

(he'll be arrested in less than an hour)

So question or realy a comment. you guys want to put someone out of bussiness and people out of work just becuase they dont agree with you? and I thought liberals were suppost to be compassionate and open minded. I guess not.

2H9, Well I waited for an on topic response but by the time there was one I was already gone from the site & had too much to do & didn't get back here in time before you went but the following is what I would have told you:
They're in "bed" w/ AG & IMO anybody that does that can't be trusted. Anybody/group that touts AG's sites on their sites is "off my Christmas list". And since they're in bed w/ AG they end up supporting the BS "cap & tax" (aka "cap & trade") system. They give some of their profits (soon to be some of your $) to this BS.

Just b/c somone/thing is good in some things doesn't mean that the bad should be overlooked, as a matter of fact, just the opposite should be done IMO…IOW B/C someone/thing is good in some things one has to be even more vigilant in remembering the bad.

Another examp would be…If PETA treated their people well & they don't have as big of an impact on things as they'd like then I'd still not give them one penny.

I support my local chain of grocery stores (6 stores in all) & would even if WF was here…the local store has a great selection (esp the meat dept) & prices they have a recycling bin for the paper & plastic bags too & sell the canvas ones for those that want them, they buy most of their meats & dairy products from local suppliers so they're "green" w/o being in bed w/ igore…err I mean Al Gore.

So, sorry but I'm not drinking the WF Kool-Aid® besides that there are many other ways to stick it to the ultra-left w/o getting into bed w/ WF & using the STD model…that means being in bed w/ AG…ewww. The closest thing I'll get to in "supporting" WF is to SAY that they have valuable things to say in the health care debate but that's where my support ends.
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2H9, Now since you already went I suggest you get some shots (such as Tetracycline) b/c you got into bed w/ WH that has been (is) in bed AG. AGAIN EWWW!

Sorry 2H9, referring to my other posts in this thread…AG is Igore…err I mean Al Gore.

2H9, Maybe they're readers of this blog & read that you were coming & HID!