Just Don’t Call It Objectivity

Stephen Spruiell:

The unofficial White House view of the American media is that they are unrepresentative of the public and driven by the left-leaning agenda of their elite. Members of the press have, to put it mildly, a very different view of their role in American democracy. …NBC News and the New York Times believe, and not without reason, that the election has given them cover to push back against the administration as hard as possible — an effort that has actually been intensifying since Katrina.
Call that whatever you want. Just don’t call it objectivity.

Quite right.
I’ve long since changed my perspective on mainstream media reporting. When I read an article from the Washington Post or New York Times I don’t think of myself as reading a factual accounting of current events, I think of myself as reading some reporter’s opinion-based accounting of current events. And some outlets have different perspectives and opinions than others.
There is no objective media any more, if you could even say that one existed in the first place.

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  • http://Array robert108

    Chad: Sorry for going over your head. What I said was that you lefties are ideologically in lockstep. That means the commonality of agenda applies to all you lefties, including the ones that make up the majority of the TV and print media. Get it now? The ideas you spew on this blog are shared by all your ideological brethren in the MSM. Check the reader blogs for even more evidence of this concerning Ahmadinejad sharing your ideology, as well.

  • Sluggo

    Contrary to popular beliefs, newspapers and media outlets in the US have historically had a political leaning. While objecivity is the goal of the reporter, it is not the goal of the editor or newspaper.

    For a long time in this nation’s history, a town (or city) had dozens, if not hundreds of different newspapers. Each of these papers pushed an agenda of which the owner hired editors to advocate on behalf of. A person could get any different number of viewpoint about a particular newstory. It was up to the reader to filter out the ideology form the facts. In many ways, the earlier news consumer was more saavy and aware than today’s.

    Now, with only one or two papers in a city, the consumer is only given news from one perspective. To complicate this problem, is the myth that newspapers must be ‘neutral’ and ‘unbiased’. It seems that this myth was a tool, to mislead the news consumer into taking what one publication says as ‘objective fact’. Since that prevailing wisdom has been repeated thousands of times, it has become a fact. To quote Aldous Huxley – “64000 repetitions makes it the truth”

    That is why the blogosphere is such a threat to the traditional media: It is a return to the days when you had hundreds of voices reporting on a story.

    Chad: As long as you keep seeing what you believe, there will never be any room for objectivity. You need to start believing what you see.

  • http://angrychad.blogspot.com/ Chad

    Of course you guys think the media is too left, because you’re very far to the right. The reality of it though is that most mainstream media outlets are owned by super-rich, uber-conservatives who benefit directly from republican policies. If there is bias in the MSM, it’s to the right.

    For example, Matt Lauer *just* finally admitted that The Today Show believes that there’s a civil war going on in Iraq, when most Americans have believed that for a lot longer:

    A majority of Americans think Iraq is in the midst of a civil war, a new Harris Interactive poll finds, and few are confident that Robert Gates’s nomination as Secretary of Defense will improve the situation there.

    Sixty-eight percent of U.S. adults said they believe there is a civil war in Iraq, the online poll from Nov. 13 to Nov. 20 found, compared with 14% who disagree and 18% who aren’t sure.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/30/114435/40

  • Dave_Comet

    I think you and the rest of your buddies at Daily Kos are so far to the left that any sort of reporting that doesn’t match up immediately with your leftist view is considered “right wing.”

    When you’re off in left field, everything looks like it’s to the right.

    Isn’t the reverse true with conservatives? “When you’re off in right field, everything looks like it’s to the left“?

    Or is your view the only correct one on this issue, since you’re completely free from bias on it?

  • robert108

    Of course you guys think the media is too left, because you’re very far to the right.

    Of course, this is a big lie. The truth is, conservatives have stayed where we are, which is to support the founding principles of the USA, while the Dems have gone farther and farther to the left. Their lie, repeated here by Chad, is that there is some sort of balance, in that their far leftieism is somehow mirrored by our moving way to the right. Nothing could be farther from the truth. We haven’t moved; they have. It’s that simple.

  • http://angrychad.blogspot.com/ Chad

    When you’re off in left field, everything looks like it’s to the right.

    Maybe you should take your own advice. I’m not the one claiming bias, you are. I’m simply pointing out that it doesn’t make sense for there to be any left-leaning bias…unless we’re all just supposed to accept your made up statistic that 85% of all reporters are registered Democrats, which even then wouldn’t be much of a case.

    I can see why you guys would think there’s some huge conspiracy and all the media is against you, when you’re way off on the right fringe.

  • Mickey

    You are not alone in this belief Rob.
    Here is another good blog on that very subject.

    http://sigmundcarlandalfred.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/the-church-of-msm/

  • Dave_Comet

    When I read an article from the Washington Post or New York Times I don’t think of myself as reading a factual accounting of current events, I think of myself as reading some reporter’s opinion-based accounting of current events.

    You used to think journalists wrote something other than opinion-based accounts of events? What–Chief’s “The Truth”?

  • robert108

    Chad: By “you guys”, I am referring to you and all the other lefties who try to disseminate your propaganda. Duh. Joe Lieberman was purged from the Party for having one diverse opinion, which was my point. As you can see, I understand your rambling.

  • robert108

    That should be “deity”.

  • http://angrychad.blogspot.com/ Chad

    What the hell are you talking about? “You guys”? When did I ever say I was in control of a mainstream media outlet? When did anyone ever say that Joe Lieberman was? I don’t understand your rambling.

  • robert108

    One of the Blogger’s jobs is essentially to provide an opinion of the factual accounts in a news story.

    Not really; remember “Rathergate”? What propelled blogging onto the front pages was the questioning and revealing of somewhat less than factual info in the MSM. Never forget. The truth is out there, but the MSM just isn’t interested in it.

  • http://angrychad.blogspot.com/ Chad

    Previous comment was directed at Rob.

    As for 108…and what the hell does that have to do with bias in the media? You’re not making any sense.

  • robert108

    Chad: It’s not a conspiracy; that’s just another leftie straw man argument. It’s a commonality of ideology. You guys are ideologically bound to sell your agenda. Anyone who deviates even slightly from your ideological position, like Joe Lieberman, gets purged. You guys have no tolerance for diversity of opinion. The left is totalitarian, just like your diety Karl Marx.

  • http://www.goreporter.com/?p=131 GoReporter

    One of the Blogger’s jobs is essentially to provide an opinion of the factual accounts in a news story. Some News Reporters are wanna-be Bloggers. :) Reporters, Editors, Publishers, Owners, should all have their own Blogs where they are free to opine to their hearts content. Otherwise, please give us ‘just the facts, ma’am/sir’!

    Jim Lehrer appeared on the Colbert Report on Monday (11/29/06)- very funny – Jim was brilliant. Jim told Stephen that his show (The News Hour with Jim Lehrer) is so boring because all he does is report the news with a flavor of neutrality – it is the viewer who brings their bias to the news. Well…… he should tell that to all the other guys, because the other guys are bringing their bias to their news reporting! And that’s a fact! :)

  • robert108

    Isn’t the reverse true with conservatives? “When you’re off in right field, everything looks like it’s to the left”?

    No, it’s not. Conservatives have stayed put, supporting the founding principles of the US, while the lefties have become increasingly Marxist over the years. The only “right-wing” in this country is the NeoNazis and the white supremacists, who are essentially ignored by the MSM unless they can be used to smear Republicans. That is the logical mistake you lefties make, Dave. You think that one group moving to the left causes those who disagree with them to move to the right. That just isn’t true. It is propaganda rhetoric, though.

  • http://angrychad.blogspot.com/ Chad

    Nice strawman. I never said that. You’re a liar.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Of course you guys think the media is too left, because you’re very far to the right. The reality of it though is that most mainstream media outlets are owned by super-rich, uber-conservatives who benefit directly from republican policies. If there is bias in the MSM, it’s to the right.

    The fact that these media organizations are apparently owned by super-rich Republicans (and I’m not saying they are, the NY Times is certainly owned by liberals) doesn’t mean that media coverage isn’t biased.

    Some 85% of reporters are registered Democrats, and you think they’re pushing a right-wing bias? Come off it.

    I think it’s hilarious that you lefty idiots think Drudge and Fox are so awfully biased to the right. A recent study showed that Drudge is actually closer to the middle than any other news outlet, and Fox isn’t far behind though a little more to the right.

    I think you and the rest of your buddies at Daily Kos are so far to the left that any sort of reporting that doesn’t match up immediately with your leftist view is considered “right wing.”

    When you’re off in left field, everything looks like it’s to the right.

    For example, Matt Lauer *just* finally admitted that The Today Show believes that there’s a civil war going on in Iraq, when most Americans have believed that for a lot longer:

    Right. According to an online poll. A polling method we all know is so accurate that its findings are beyond reproach or questioning.

    You, Chad, are a parody of yourself. Seriously. You make me smile.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Maybe you should take your own advice. I’m not the one claiming bias, you are.

    Says the guy who thinks the results of an online poll shows that Matt Lauer has a right-wing bias.

    You’re a clown.

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