Just Days After Announcing Them, Obama Throws Proposed Tax Cuts Under The Bus

He’s caving in to pressure from intimidating Senate figures like…Senator Kent Conrad.

WASHINGTON – Pushed by fellow Democrats, President-elect Barack Obama agreed to modest changes in his proposed tax cuts on Friday after inviting lawmakers to “just show me” ideas for fixing an economy shedding jobs at an alarming rate. Democratic congressional officials said that Obama aides came under pressure in closed-door talks to jettison or significantly alter a proposed tax credit for creating jobs.
Further, Democrats sought inclusion of relief for upper middle-class families hit by the alternative minimum tax. The so-called AMT was originally designed to make sure the very wealthy did not escape taxes, but it now hits many more people because of inflation, despite measures by Congress every year to prevent it from reaching tens of millions of middle-income families.
Congressional officials said aides to the president-elect had agreed to increase the $10 billion originally ticketed for energy tax breaks, although the final total remained unclear. Two officials said at least $20 billion would be reserved, but others indicated it could go higher.
Details were not available, but Obama has spoken in the past about increasing tax breaks for production of alternative energy sources such as wind power. The energy tax provisions make up a small part of a massive economic stimulus bill — expected to reach over $800 billion over two years — that congressional leaders hope to pass before mid-February.

Since being elected, and before actually taking office, Obama has already been involved in two major scandals (Blagojevich and David Rubin), had one cabinet appointment resign in scandal (Bill Richardson) and is already letting Senate Democrats push him around.
Now that’s some leadership we can believe in.
Personally, I think it’s just as well that Obama’s tax cuts aren’t going to pass. Because they weren’t really tax cuts. They were a narrowing of the tax base (tax hikes for those who pay the most and welfare checks from the IRS for those who pay little or nothing) that the country can ill-afford right now.
Of course, the country can also ill-afford the monstrous amounts of spending Obama and the Democrats have lined up, but I doubt anything like a grasp of reality is going to stop the tax-and-spend express in Congress.

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  • http://Array carrick

    Dino:

    Welfare is such a small part of your tax bill you wouldn’t notice if you got it back. All welfare, small as it is, goes to poor women and children for food and shelter.

    Entitlement spending accounts for 2/3s of the federal budget. And certainly not all of that goes to “poor” anybody. Part goes to government overhead (as much as 50% depending on which fund you’re tracking). That goes to rich cleptocrats who live high on the hog off the rest of us. As to the “poor women and children”, you should look into just how many people who have money end up qualifying for federal assistance. For some programs, the limit is now or will soon be over $200k.

    That 40% who “pay no taxes” (if that were even true)

    It’s a well known fact.

    You think you are smart and informed, exactly why?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Who’s disappointed? Tax cuts are part of what got us into this mess.

    It’s not like anybody here would see them. They’d all go to business and the wealthy again.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Gaylord Conrad grew up collecting a government check all the way through college and became so addicted to it he found a way to continue to collect one, first at the state level, then at the federal level. He has set himself up to collect a government check for the rest of his life.
    He’s even shacked up with someone with a lifetime government check!

  • robert108

    Taxs are the bills for living in this country.

    Wrong! Taxes are the expense of govt. Govt wastes far too much of our money on their own vote-buying schemes. Remember, it’s govt “of the people, by the people, and for the people”. Another name for govt workers is “public servants”. Get it?

  • Brent

    Conrad has a typical MBA keynesian macroeconomic background. Yes, he is certainly consistent and, if you are willing to forgive him for not seeing through the absurdity of its descriptions and policy prescriptions, then we can sympathize with his viewpoint. But it is still wrong. Laughably and frustratingly wrong.

    As for Bush, the tax cuts were great, but actually quite small, especially in the upper brackets, which were still left 7 points higher than they were in the 1980s. There shouldn’t be any doubt that the tax cuts were the only good thing the government did the last time their social engineering bubble economy burst. That good sense went out the window this time around, huh?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Old, tired rhetoric.

    The rich took us down, not the poor.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    First he should confiscate all the money from Wall Street, mortgage and those non-CRA banks that gave away fraudulent mortgages.

    Then he should tell the top 5% to either start paying a 70% top tax rate or LEAVE if they think they’ll find a place to have them.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Over 40% of people in this country pay ZERO income taxes; they must be simply deadbeats.

  • syn

    Then he should tell the top 5% to either start paying a 70% top tax rate or LEAVE if they think they’ll find a place to have them.

    Seriously dude, you really think Obama is going to hit his beloved contributors Oprah Winfrey, George Soros, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Google owners, the Kennedy Klan, Teresa Heinz-Kerry, Mark Cuban, George Clooney, Bernie Madoff, Peter Lewis, among so many 5r;s, with a 70% tax rate?

    If he does that how will he be able to fund Axelrod’s and Emanuel’s Collectivist corruption campaign?

  • jk

    First he should confiscate all the money from Wall Street, mortgage and those non-CRA banks that gave away fraudulent mortgages.

    Right DINO, what about the CRA banks that started it all by giving out fraudulent mortgages to those slackers who never had any intent on paying them?

    You’re still just a drip down your mothers leg.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    I had an employee whose family had a collection business. She said it shocked them how the poor people paid up but the rich ones balked. She said much of their unpaid bills was for items like florists.

    The richer the person, the bigger the deadbeat.

    That 40% who “pay no taxes” (if that were even true) don’t make enough to pay thanks to 30 years of supply-side economics.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    You probably think the electric company is stealing by making you pay your bills. Taxs are the bills for living in this country. You people are simply deadbeats.

    At what point will you people give up that supply-side nonsense? You do realize that failed miserably, right?

    I truly believe many of you would be happiest building a pyramid for the one guy with all the money.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    There’s no such thing as a CRA bank, stem.

  • Brent

    I’m with you, Rob. Let the vulgar keynesians and the like (see Kent Conrad and Mike Jacob’s editorial on Friday) get their way. 100%. We’ve seen, time and time again, that when they only get 99% of what they want, then they blame the catastrophes they cause on that 1%.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    If there are non-Cra banks, that implies there are CRA banks.

    Dino loses again.

  • jk

    DINO: I love it when instead of putting a cock in your mouth, it’s your foot.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Both Obama and his supporters (just look at this thread for the proof) base their economic policies around punishing the successful.

  • bill-tb

    It’s becoming obvious, the only thing Obama’s small brain can handle is walking on the beach without a shirt, or reading from a Teleprompter. Now we know why he never took questions. If it gets more complicated than that, just isn’t up to the task.

    Four years of jive talking, hoodwinking and bamboozling … what a future.

    We should start a site “Are you smarter than Obama” — Hey wait, someone already has one.

    OK, lets just go with calling him chumpy … The election proved it is really easy to make idiot voters out of ignorant people, if you promise them enough free stuff.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Here is the link to that middle quote from Robert Rector, 1987:

    Welfare Reform That Is Anti-Work, Anti-Family, Anti-Poor

  • Mickey

    You probably think the electric company is stealing by making you pay your bills. Taxs are the bills for living in this country. You people are simply deadbeats.

    Funny that you should mention an electric company. I work for an electric company. We have to write off a couple million dollars in bad debt each year from those deadbeats who don’t pay their bills. I’ll wager real money that 99% of them voted for Obama if they voted at all.

    And BTW parrot, it is spelled “TAXES”.

    S Q U A W K

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    There are banks subject to the CRA, banks that are not.

    Kenny wouldn’t know his asshole from a hole in the ground. Unless he had his fingers in one or both.

  • Harry

    Quite obvious and apparent BO was and still is full of hotair. Promise the moon to the sheeples and they swallowed it all. The suckers are still in the crowds bowing down to him…pathethic.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Tax cuts are part of what got us into this mess.

    How?

    It’s not like anybody here would see them. They’d all go to business and the wealthy again.

    They don’t “go” anywhere. The money simply stays with the rightful owner.

    And those rightful owners? They’re the wealth creators and the signers of paychecks. Is it so terrible to let them keep their money? What are they going to do with that money? Put it under their mattresses to watch their wealth lose out to inflation, or put it into the market (where it goes to work and naturally gets redistributed) so that the wealth can build?

    Understanding the correct answers to those questions is essential, but you have to want to understand how the market works and how wealth is really built. You have to take away the envy.

    Good luck with all of that, DINO. Somehow and someway, I don’t think you care. You seem to be driven by hatred and envy and are looking to punish the successful in the misguided belief that the government knows best on how to move money; in the misguided belief that the government is more “fair” than free people making free and individual choices.

    (Now here’s where you typically go on about how “deregulation caused” the current downturn without explaining the why or the how that happened. Here’s where you also typically sprinkle in some immature insults towards Republicans and conservatives.)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Welfare accounts for less than 1% of the budget. Administrative costs for government are nowhere near the figures you claim.

    You’re relics. Government is IN. Free markets are DEAD.

    We live in a much different world than even 3 years ago. It’s about to change even more dramatically. Buckle up.

  • ellinas

    DINO: I love it when instead of putting a cock in your mouth, it’s your foot.

    jk on January 10, 2009 at 01:46 pm

    jk. You’re a terrible human specimen. Can’t refute the guy, thus you resort to vulgarities.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    We’ve gone for far into stealth Socialism that we have forgotten what the proper expenses of government were.

    Sir, this is no debt. The government did not owe it to the deceased when he was alive; it could not contract it after he died. I do not wish to be rude, but I must be plain. Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much of our own money as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.”

    – From The Life of Colonel David Crockett,
    by Edward S. Ellis (Philadelphia: Porter & Coates, 1884)

    But members of Congress were warned in the early discussions of the War On Poverty that entitlement programs, as they were couched in camouflage terms, would have opposite their stated effect. Like the Field of Dreams, if you build it, they will come, the transfer payments from the productive to the non-productive created a permanent proletariat which could always be counted on for votes for those who promised to give them other people’s money, even if they didn’t work.

    Then came the “War on Poverty It mobilized a torrent of resources to fight poverty In constant 1986 dollars, welfare spending soared from $33 billion in 1965 to approximately 140 billion by 1986.

    Yet progress against poverty slowed and then stalled. More important, the percentage of Americans incapable of “self-sufficiency of maintaining themselves above the poverty level without government handyouts rose markedly. More and more Americans, in other words, today seem to find that they can avoid poverty only by becoming dependent on the government.

    Thus, Leftist politicians found the sure-fire way of buying votes on the backs of the taxpayers. Our Founders warned against this, as they warned us against Pure Democracies, since the Masses would simply vote themselves the property of the monied few, something they could not do on their own and not be held for larceny, they could under a system of democracy, do with impunity.

    Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.

    James Madison

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    The old welfare thing again. I expected more out of Rob.

    Welfare is such a small part of your tax bill you wouldn’t notice if you got it back. All welfare, small as it is, goes to poor women and children for food and shelter.

    I know how that chaps your ass but spending 3 trillion in Iraq is A-Ok.

    What is wrong with you people?

  • Kramer

    Amen syn, my thoughts exactly, well put.

  • Mickey

    Just Days After Announcing Them, Obama Throws Proposed Tax Cuts Under The Bus

    Let the disappointment begin…

  • jk

    Again DINO is proven wrong and looks better and better with his foot in his mouth.

  • dawneyr

    This post shows a picture of Obama standing in front of an Israeli flag. He is such a horrific con.

  • robert108

    Carrick: Actually, the govt overhead in social engineering schemes is usually more than 50%, with some schemes having over 70% govt “administrative costs”.

  • pparets

    108: I think RG’s “government largess for votes” includes your ‘victimhood entitlement’.

    1. Convince people that they are victims.
    2. Provide them an entitlement [largess].
    3. The ‘victims’ become a loyal constituency.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Those figures are bullshit. You know they are.

    You’re behind the times. Government is the new black. Trendy. Very In.

    Capitalism, free markets. So 1980s. So over.

    People are clamoring for more, bigger government, more regulation.

    We should thank republicans for failing and making it so easy.

  • robert108

    Welfare is such a small part of your tax bill you wouldn’t notice if you got it back. All welfare, small as it is, goes to poor women and children for food and shelter.

    Two more lies from baby dino.

  • robert108

    RG: I disagree; it’s the leftie ideology of entitlement for anyone who can claim victimhood.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Entitlements aren’t welfare.

    You guys are relics.

  • syn

    I am starting to feel a little sorry for the guy. George Soros (who wants to destroy capitalist America) buys him the presidency and now he has to choose between paying his debt to Soros or betraying his benefactor in order save his presidential legacy.

    If you were in Obama’s shoes which side would you choose?

    Would you pay off the evil guy who brought your presidency or betray the evil guy to save your presidency.

  • carrick

    Robert108, no doubt 70% is more accurate for total government waste if you include all of the layers of bureaucracy.

    I was referring just to the government “overhead”, which can be as much as “50%”. That doesn’t include money that gets diverted to paying for salaries directly related to the administration of the projects.

  • robert108

    Entitlements aren’t welfare.

    Wrong! Entitlements=welfare. Are you really that stupid, or are you just a pathological liar?

    Carrick: I’m referring to the administrative costs of each scheme, not the total. If you examine any socialistic function, like the govt schools, you will see that administrative costs(bureaucracy) are always a larger share than the actual “product” produced. I repeat, it’s at least 50%, and often over 70% of the total cost of the scheme.
    For instance, if the budget for a particular scheme is a million dollars, for example, half a million or less actually trickles down to the recipients of that program. The rest is sucked up by the govt drones running the program. They get rich on taxpayer money, while the “beneficiaries” of the scheme remain poor and disadvantaged. That is why the so-called “War on Poverty” didn’t change the poverty level for the recipients of the program, but the politicians grew rich on it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    base their economic policies around punishing the successful

    Not just the successful, but the people that own businesses and invest money to create real jobs.

    Do you suppose the dummy realizes that if the government takes all of the profits (or even 70%) there’s no reason to risk anything to grow your business.

    Of course he doesn’t.

    nah, let have the poor start to do their ‘fair’ share.

    Obviously if the poor paid their fair share there would be no budget difficulties at all.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    The ruin of republics is politicians who trade government largess for votes.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    overcompensating elinas is well defined by those he defends.

  • jimmypop

    Then he should tell the top 5% to either start paying a 70% top tax rate or LEAVE if they think they’ll find a place to have them.

    nah, let have the poor start to do their ‘fair’ share.

  • robert108

    pp: Still, the people are not forced to give up their independence; some of them choose it. They have been propagandized to believe it is OK to trade freedom for the promise of security.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Exactly, Brent.

    At least Conrad is being consistent in his opposition to tax relief. He railed against Bush’s tax cuts too. Of course, Bush’s tax cuts were real tax cuts that stimulated the economy and resulted in federal tax receipts that actually managed to out pace federal spending growth (if only Republicans had stopped that growth, we’d have had a surplus!).

    Ultimately, though, while tax cuts matter as policy the big picture is always the size of the government. If they cut taxes but government still gets bigger the burden of government on the citizens is still growing. It’s impact on the taxpayers has just been delayed by the tax cuts.

    Eventually, we are going to have to pay off the debt.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Taxs are the bills for living in this country. You people are simply deadbeats.

    I don’t mind paying taxes for things like roads and police officers and fire departments.

    What bugs me is when I’ve got to pay taxes to give free health care and welfare to people who won’t raise a finger to help themselves.

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