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Thursday, January 10, 2008

Judge Rules That Anti-Hillary Film Is Campaign Advertising

And thus subject to all the arcane rules, regulations and limitations the federal government burdens political speech with.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The early reviews are in, and three federal judges appeared in agreement Wednesday that a movie lambasting Hillary Clinton seemed an awful lot like a 90-minute campaign advertisement.

Citizens United, a conservative advocacy group, is challenging the nation’s campaign finance laws, which require disclaimers on political advertisements and restrict when they can be broadcast. The group argues “Hillary: The Movie” and related television advertisements are not political advertising even though the New York senator is in the presidential race.

Attorney James Bopp argued that they should be considered “issue- oriented” speech because viewers aren’t urged to vote for or against the Democrat.

“What’s the issue?” asked Judge A. Raymond Randolph, a federal appeals judge sitting on a mixed panel to review the case.

“That Hillary Clinton is a European Socialist,” Bopp replied. “That is an issue.”

“Which has nothing to do with her campaign?” U.S District Judge Royce C. Lamberth interjected.

“Not specifically, no,” Bopp replied.

“Once you say, ‘Hillary Clinton is a European Socialist,’ aren’t you saying vote against her?”

Bopp disagreed because the movie did not use the word “vote.”

“Oh, that’s ridic...,” Lamberth said, trailing off and ending the line of questioning.

If you think Lamberth was a Clinton appointment, you’d be wrong.  He was appointed by Reagan, proving once again just how little control our legislative and executive branches actually have over the judicial branch.  Once a judge is on the federal bench nobody knows which way their rulings will tilt.

Regardless, where was this guy in 2004 when Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 was lambasting President Bush in theaters prior to the election?  Not that I’d support his ruling against Moore any more than I support his ruling against Citizens United.

This is an affront to the American ideals of free speech.  Something that seems more a relic from the days when this country was still the colony of a monarchy than the free, representative democracy we fought a revolution to become.

If a group of citizens want to make movie mocking one of our political leaders they should be free to do so without any sort of regulation or limitations from the government.

Update: By the way, if you want to know more about this movie the website is here.

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Looks to me that along with 75% of Americans, even our gop appointed judges are laughing in the face of nutters.


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realitybasedbob on January 10, 2008 at 05:36 pm

proving once again just how little control our legislative and executive branches actually have over the judicial branch.

I dunno Rob. I dislike judicial activism as much as you do, but that statement sounds like you want the 3rd branch to be subservient to one of the other 2, or both. My understanding of the judicial branch is that it was intended to be a slightly more than equal member of the 3 branch system in order to keep some degree of sanity amongst the other 2. Maybe I misunderstood your point?


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Spartacus on January 10, 2008 at 05:48 pm

I would like to add that this “affront to the American ideals of free speech” was enabled by the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act—promogulated by… McCain.


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Hairy Polemic on January 10, 2008 at 06:57 pm
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Maybe I misunderstood your point?

Well, we’re often told that a check on judicial power is the fact that judges are nominated and approved by the two other branches of our government.  Yet clearly, given how many judges diverge from the judicial philosophy of those that appoint them, this isn’t much of a check at all.

I’m all for an independent judiciary, but not a dominant one.  Right now, the judges are pretty much writing our laws for us.

I would like to add that this “affront to the American ideals of free speech” was enabled by the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act—promogulated by… McCain.

And voted for by Thompson.  Which he’s apologized for, but even as an ardent Thompson supporter I’ll admit that it’s one of the things that has always bugged me about him.


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Rob on January 10, 2008 at 07:08 pm

If the Anti-Hillary flic is ‘advertising’, then Michael Moore [Farenheit 911, Sicko] is the biggest Madison Avenue ad-man of them all! Do we detect a double standard here?  Its ok to mock the President, but not a candidate?


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pparets on January 10, 2008 at 07:21 pm

this isn’t much of a check at all.

I agree with that statement, however, when a judge misinterprets the intent of the law shouldn’t the legislative and/or executive branch take steps to clarify intent?… I know, in our lifetime we’ve had more possibilities of seeing pigs with wings…


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Spartacus on January 10, 2008 at 07:24 pm

Judges shouldn’t have this kind of power. This is a perversion of the office.

likwidshoe on January 10, 2008 at 07:55 pm

Personally, I’m going to advertise for whomever I want and no judge is going to tell me otherwise. If he thinks that he can tell me what political speech that I can and cannot say, then he is barking up the wrong tree. Judges don’t have that kind of power. This is America.

Put any partisanship aside. This is a fundamental attack on free speech. There should be no disagreements.

likwidshoe on January 10, 2008 at 08:02 pm

Judges don’t have that kind of power. This is America.

Read the Constitution lately?

The legislative check on the judicial branch is not the appointment of judges—that’s the executive check. The legislative check is Congress’ ability to pass a more specific, less easily interpreted law.

Justice Scalia is famous for avoiding legislative intent in order to coax the legislature to take more responsibility for their law making and not pass vague, easily “misinterpreted” laws.

So no. You shouldn’t fault the Judge for this ruling, fault the legislature for passing a law so open to interpretation.


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Hairy Polemic on January 10, 2008 at 09:38 pm
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The legislative check on the judicial branch is not the appointment of judges—that’s the executive check. The legislative check is Congress’ ability to pass a more specific, less easily interpreted law.

You’re half right.  Remember that the executive’s ability to appoint judges hinges on Congress’ approval of them.

It’s a joint effort, and one that’s not much of a check at all which was the point I originally made.

I agree with that statement, however, when a judge misinterprets the intent of the law shouldn’t the legislative and/or executive branch take steps to clarify intent?

Yes, they should.

As an interesting side note, if this anti-Hillary flick is advertising then wouldn’t the same reasoning apply to all those anti-conservative and anti-Republican jabs in movies and television?

Not that this should apply at all, but still…


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Rob on January 10, 2008 at 09:45 pm

You’re right. The same reasoning would control. I’m curious as to how the plaintiffs in this case got standing to sue the film distributors. They would have to be related to Hillary, no?


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Hairy Polemic on January 10, 2008 at 09:48 pm

Nevermind, the justice dept. brought suit. You’re right, odd that they would do this here but not in 2004.


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Hairy Polemic on January 10, 2008 at 09:54 pm

Hairy Polemic - So no. You shouldn’t fault the Judge for this ruling, fault the legislature for passing a law so open to interpretation.

That’s a sound point.

likwidshoe on January 10, 2008 at 10:25 pm
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