It may be nothing at all, but Obama shouldn’t be allowed to deny access to his records.

I agree in general, but not about the birth certificate issue:

There are questions about McCain’s birth too:

Surrick’s ruling cites a case deemed similar, Hollander v. McCain, in which it was alleged during the primary season that since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone, John McCain is not a natural-born citizen either. The judge in the Hollander case also ruled a voter cannot sue to prevent an allegedly unconstitutional candidate

Here’s McCain’s birth certificate:

How about the Vietnam records McCain has been trying to cover up or destroy?

How many of us have our ORIGINAL hand-written-in-ink birth certificate? Isn’t a certificate from the Department of Health proof enough?

Is it really from the Department of Health? Where is the emobossed seal? Where is the letter from the Department of health that they have verified the document as being genuine? Remember, he is not one of us, he is running for POTUS and that means he has the responsibility to produce an original birth certificate.

I have my birth certificate, I wrote to my state records department in Nevada and they sent me an exact copy with the State Seal, which while not emobossed on my copy, nonetheless clearly shows the seal and it is apparent that the original was/is embossed. I must note that the so-called birth certificate Obama has supplied on his website is a very, very clear copy and yet not a hint of a State Seal. Why? Why so clear a copy and a missing state seal? Strange!

he [Obama] has not authorized the release of his birth certificate

When, how, where?

His birth certificate has been made public to the world.

What a victory for Obama. He must be the first politician in this country to be granted the enviable status of being officially exempt from having to prove anything to anyone in order to be elected to the highest office in the land.
Hermit on October 26, 2008 at 08:28 am

The whole NOBAMA campaign has been like this, this guy talks about the Bush Administration being the most secret administration but this guy releases nothing. If he doesn’t like the questions he cries fowl.

ok, so how do we get legal proof he wasn’t born in Kenya as his grandmother alegedly implied? Who can / should force this issue?

When has Obama refused to release his birth certificate?

How silly! It isn’t a matter of him refusing, HE has to ask for it to be released.

Because officials of the state of Hawaii have said they do not, and further, that no request has been received from Barack Hussein Obama to obtain said document. Your argument is with Barack Hussein Obama and the State of Hawaii, not us

Yada yada yada… Will somebody please translate that baffling circumlocution into plain English. I think it’s supposed to be documented evidence about a birth certificate. Yet, it seems to be echoing noise from a jabbering head up somebody’s anus unable to provide anything but oratory doodoo instead of facts. Watch, you’ll see how he’ll reply to this post. It’ll be something like “liar,” or “lying piece of shit.” Anything except an intelligent argument.
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Neiman,

Because the standing requirement has historically been an arbitrary means for the court to avoid politically charged issues. Since their reasoning has been historically arbitrary, the precedent, as is, makes no logical sense. I suppose that the best excuse they can give is that if everyone had standing to bring any issue that marginally affected them, the court would be too inundated with lawsuits to be effective.

My two daughters were born in Paris to an American father (me). They were U.S. citizens at birth though they were not born in the United States, just like John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Obama was born in the United States to an American mother. If anything he’s more American than McCain and than my two daughters.

quote]ok, so how do we get legal proof he wasn’t born in Kenya as his grandmother alegedly implied? Who can / should force this issue? In our system it should be the Secretaries of State of each state could demand it before putting him on the ballot. McCain of the Republican Party may be able to file a suit. Congress may be able to demand it. A member of the electoral college may be able to file a suit.

Personal stake, not tangible injury, is the element in voter standing cases.

The test is:
(1) it has suffered an “injury in fact” that is (a) concrete and particularized and (b) actual or imminent, not conjectural or hypothetical, (2) the injury is fairly traceable to the challenged action of the defendant; and (3) it is likely, as opposed to merely speculative, that the injury will be redressed in a favorable decision.

Lobster kicks ass.

Obama isn’t off the hook on this yet. Berg has already filed an appeal.

The Supreme Court won’t touch this case with a ten foot pole. Not a chance in Hell. The Supreme Court would just say that it is up to Congress to define “Natural Born Citizen” and not grant cert based on it being a “political question.”

But legally this court was right not to grant standing.

Your daughters anre naturalized citizens of The U.S. not natural born citizens.

It doesn’t make a difference if the law was different when he was born.

I disagree, but it hardly makes a difference. He says he was born in Hawaii. All he has to do is produce his birth certificate.

It seems to me that I had to get one just to get a passport. Certainly it’s not too much trouble for Obama to do so to become president.

I thought there was something familiar looking about this document. This is the exact type of paper form that college transcripts are mailed on. I have doubts that this is legit.

It doesn’t look like any birth certificate I’ve seen

I thought it looked strange too!

I seem to remember that John McCain went through a similar deal with questions about his birth certificate. Nobody on the Left seemed to mind that.

The Senate has unanimously declared John McCain a natural-born citizen, eligible to be president of the United States.

That is the good news for the presumptive Republican nominee, who was born nearly 72 years ago in a military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, then under U.S. jurisdiction. The bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.

What’s good for one should be good for The One.

I don’t believe that Obama isn’t eligible to be president. I do believe that the lying Left made McCain jump through hoops on this issue so Obama should have to also.

Turn about is fair play.

Where are the supporters of the Fairness Doctrine on this issue?

Come on Marxists, speak up!

Oswaldo, you go first….

Frankly I have never cared about the birth certificate issue. I think it would be too easy to cover up if it wasn’t real. I am more interested in him turning over school records, writings, thesis, etc. I would like to see the way his mind was leaning then. I also think grades are a stupid issue. Doing well on standardized tests doesn’t tell the story of someone’s intellect. People put an emphasis on I.Q. and that also doesn’t tell the whole story of a person. My daughter is academically brilliant. She tested as having an I.Q. of 167 at the age of 6. Sounds great, but the poor girl is a dingbat about common sense issues. How do we know that Obama, just because he is well educated knows to get out of the rain?

What’s good for one should be good for The One.

I don’t believe that Obama isn’t eligible to be president. I do believe that the lying Left made McCain jump through hoops on this issue so Obama should have to also.

Turn about is fair play.

Where are the supporters of the Fairness Doctrine on this issue?

Come on Marxists, speak up!

Oswaldo, you go first….

That is a good post and under an NOBAMA administration free speech will be squashed and opposing view points will be squashed and investigated, intimidated and prosected.

I think the fairness doctrine will not pass the constiutional smell test. people who listen to Rush, Hannity, Levin are not going to tune in to listen to Rachel Maddow (or what ever the hell her name is) nor are the advertisers going to pay for them eith3er.

would not Obama have to step down from the office if elected and it was found he was not a citizen of this country . and the question I ask is, this guy is in our face with this and why hasn’t he produced a verified copy of his birth as to date he has not provided anything the question is why ? .If any of us were to asked for our birth certificate in seeking employment we would as soon as we could give that to the employer, what is so hard about that for Obama.

Believing in our Founding Fathers and their foundation ideas is not a sign of immaturity, you scumbags… believing in Barry “Josef Stalin Jr.” is……

The Constitution says “Natural Born Citizen“.

So PROVE IT ALREADY, B-O!!! This will squelch all the chatter… but that would remove a distraction, wouldn’t it….

Joel you will have to excuse me I assumed we know what that makes out of you an me .. I was talking in the context that we were discussing his eligibility and that would require a natural born citizen . sorry for the omission will try better next time. Arnold Schwarznegger could not run for president for that very reason although I would hate to see him run .

oswaldo,

His birth name was “Barry”, not Barack. Nice try.

Because officials of the state of Hawaii have said they do not, and further, that no request has been received from Barack Hussein Obama to obtain said document. Your argument is with Barack Hussein Obama and the State of Hawaii, not us.

My two daughters were born in Paris to an American father (me). They were U.S. citizens at birth though they were not born in the United States, just like John McCain who was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Obama was born in the United States to an American mother. If anything he’s more American than McCain and than my two daughters.

Wow what a political mind. Yawn…

most people have expressed they believe that Obama is a citizen but the reason for the whole discussion is why will he not produce it . and you come along and trash us all by calling us conspirators and other names , now the question I ask is if the left is so bent on having freedom of speech I must say it is slanted a tad by your constant rants and name calling, is this a sickness of the left ? . can we have a discussion with out acting like children . as far as being left behind that is fine by me I love freedom and I also defend your right to make your statements but I have a right to disagree with you . I can do so with out calling you a name , that is if you can discuss with out resorting to name calling and ranting ,….

Oswaldo

I’m still laughing about “McCain’s birth certificate” pictured in your earlier comment. That was a good one !

What is the big deal about eating lobster and caviar?

I personally don’t like caviar, but I love lobster.

Do you only eat potatoes or something Joel? I don’t understand your malfunction?

Joel I have to agree with you on what you said it is a fact that all things said by people who do not believe our country would be well served by a communist idea and a communist agenda , have been called names and ranted on something fierce by the left they do not have the same respect for our freedom as we do for theirs, that is pure and simple, they want to dictate to us and they call us nuts and right winged conspirators when all we want is what our fathers and grandfathers fought and died for , that is freedom to gather in groups to discuss what we will and to stand up to government when they become to dictatorial. The un fairness doctrine would do nothing but destroy radio talk shows which many people enjoy and sometimes to many times is the only place we can hear the truth. It is apparent that the news has violated a public trust in not vetting Obama. so where do we go to get the truth? we search and we look and we compare and we look at history and if we don’t do that we are doomed to repeat history ,the bad parts are not to be repeated . Marxism has never survived with out the jailing of people who did nothing but want to find truth. Wholesale slaughter of millions has been the only out come I see in Marxism .

Better than that, the rag that ran the lie took it back:

THE source who told us last week about Michelle Obama getting lobster and caviar delivered to her room at the Waldorf-Astoria must have been under the influence of a mind-altering drug. She was not even staying at the Waldorf. We regret the mistake, and our former source is going to regret it, too. Bread and water would be too good for such disinformation.

It cost his campaign 400,000 to fly him to see his Grandmother in Hawaiian , and they are complaining about Palins ward robe? and now we see a bill for almost 500 dollars to feed two people , MMM? sounds as if they have the little people at heart here. Palin answered about her wardrobe, did Obama mention the cost of his travel to see his Grand Mother? By the way what is so hard about providing a birth certificate, the one posted here is a fake period it does not list the race of the father as negro it says African , in 1961 that was not an option . so who is trying to scam a few people here and why?

the Constitution be damned.

Aha Neiman! Just what I thought. You’re an anti-constitution, anti-Detroit horse-riding radical Marxist.

A lawsuit filed by Democratic attorney Philip Berg

What’s bizarre is that The One wont even respond to a fellow Democrat. Too busy, I’m sure.

Also the way I understand it the law at the time of Obama’s birth the law was a bit different from what you wrote.

It doesn’t make a difference if the law was different when he was born. It matters what the law is when he runs for President.

We don’t allow ex post facto laws in criminal law because somebody is entitled to have notice that they are breaking a law at the time the do an act. There is no problem with that in this case so it only matters what the law is now.

His birth certificate has been made public to the world.

Where is it? All you have shown is a facsimile absent the necessary State Seal and any documentation verifying it is authentic.

Why does Messiah Obama not be more transparent in this and other matters? What is he hiding?

And your proof of that is where?

The law at the time of Obama’s birth:

If born outside of the United States, but born to a parent that is a U.S. citizen, the parent would have to have lived in the United States at least ten years with at least five of those years being after the age of 14.

Since his mother was 18 when he was born he would not be a natural-born citizen unless he was born on U.S. soil / territory.

I too am a little concerned with the lack of willingness to disclose past documents. Whether it be a birth certificate, college transcripts or medical records. If there is nothing to hide… why all the hiding???

I disagree, but it hardly makes a difference. He says he was born in Hawaii. All he has to do is produce his birth certificate.

It seems to me that I had to get one just to get a passport. Certainly it’s not too much trouble for Obama to do so to become president.

I’m sure it’s not. But since it is irrelevant I think they have decided to ignore the nutjobs who are demanding it and focus on other issues.

So you care a little.

Here is the problem with your contention,osmoron.”And the children of citizens”, Citizens, plural. If one parent is a US citizen and the other is not, specific procedures must be followed in order for said child to be considered a natural born citizen. No one has yet proven that those procedures were, in fact, followed. Savy?

Here is the problem with your contention,osmoron.”And the children of citizens”, Citizens, plural. If one parent is a US citizen and the other is not, specific procedures must be followed in order for said child to be considered a natural born citizen. No one has yet proven that those procedures were, in fact, followed. Savy?

So? In any case, he was born in the United States. Case closed.

:physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided::This may be the entire rub about if he were born in Kenya as some people have indicated before she was with in that five year period and could not have been .We would have to look at her whereabouts when she was 14 and 20 and then you could make a determination as to if he was or not . I do not have privy to any information of his birth there fore I have no way of knowing if he was or was not . see that is the whole deal is people would just like to know , why we are being held in the dark over this is the more important question of the day. Lets let the experts agree or disagree , and then where are they at no one has taken this to task but Berg ? The Obama camp has not been forth right and honest in many things and this is just one of many .

I don’t understand the defense of Obama at all. If he was born in Hawaii, why is it a big deal to just have Hawaii produce an original Birth Certificate for the media to examine? What is the problem here? Then take the other documents on other matters he has refused to release, are we looking at super secretive Obama presidency on any and all matters that he doesn’t want to allow the people to see?

This is all so simple, Obama just has to ask the people in charge of these documents in Hawaii to step forward and produce the original document and verify they are authentic

What difference does it make? Wouldn’t you agree that he could have been born on Mars or Jupiter from an American mother and still be natural born according to this:

As a congressional act stated in 1790:

Congress: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”

Barry won’t ask Hawaii to just realease an original for examinaton

When has Obama refused to release his birth certificate? You believe those crazy rumors blindly. Tell me when. Or are you just going to say, it was reported by Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh or a weird Democrat?

Has somebody got a video or a quote from Obama saying “I refuse to release my birth certificate”?

Oswaldo

..you’re right…I’m wrong…my bad.

Again with the debunked lunch, Joel?

Joel permit me disagree with what you say:

Your daughters [are] naturalized citizens of The U.S. not natural born citizens.

According to your statement, neither my daughters nor McCain would be natural born citizens. Here’s the truth:

As a congressional act stated in 1790:

Congress: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”

That applies to both my daughters and to McCain.

Their citizenship status has some tricky aspects to it, but not Obama’s. He’s the only one in the foursome born in the United States of America from an American mother just like most of us.

Frankly even if he was born in Kenya it is not clear whether he would be considered a natural born citizen or not. Natural born citizen is not a well defined legal term and the courts have not always been clear in it’s application. His mother is a citizen so he is a citizen at birth. If you take the position that there are two types of citizens, natural born and naturalized than he is natural born. If you take the position that there are three types of citizens, natural born, citizen at birth and naturalized than if he is born in Kenya he is a citizen at birth and not natural born.

However, if you think that this legal definition will be cleared up before the election you are wrong. And if you think there will be an impeachment hearing after the election to settle this, you are also wrong.

This issue is a non-starter.

However, he was born in Hawaii so the issue is moot.

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

Here is section (g) of title 8 section 1401. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, explain to me how he does not fit this?

No, I see a faked document that the State of Hawaii does not recognize as legitimate.

Now, why will he not produce a legitimate birth certificate?