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Bat One, could you knock off use of the term “hate speech”?  We have a first amendment that allows people to be as hateful as they want to be.  Leave the political correct bullshit to the morons on the left.

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While I am in agreement w/your the bulk of your post, please don’t call it “hate speech”.

That term is quickly on the way to becoming either a code-word or a meanless label, depending on your political orientation. 

There is real hate speech, and questioning McCain’s service “ain’t it!” An example of the type of speech that is actually hate speech would include the many letters threatening Ms. Malkin. Even the milder ones, which she shares, are actual hate speech.

My opinion on how McCain’s service is applicable to his Presidential run is summed up by a story from the time of the Revolutionary War:

After Col. Arnold entered into British service, as a reward for the blueprints of Fort West Point’s fortifications, he was detailed as the leader of a raiding party raiding near his home.

During the raid he happened on a grizzled old local.  Asking the local what this town would do if its famous son - B. Arnold - was caught here, he was anwered: We’d bury his left leg with full military honors, the rest we’d hang.  Arnold’s left leg was the one wounded at the Battle of Saratoga.

In other words: McCain was a War Hero.  Let us have a moment of silence for that honorable man! Then let us morn the traitor he has become.

Traitor too strong a term?  What other word fits for a man who would erase our souvernity while he lies and says he won’t?  If his intentions were honorable, he’d be honest about it.

His nick name in the ‘80s was Dishonest John.  Hs cut of the Keating 5 was $350k+, which makes Clinton’s cattle futures piker’s funds.  I think it is a descriptive nickname.

- martin.musculus

Hoodlumman,

Your point about politically correct bullshit and the First Amendment is exactly the one I was making by choosing the term “hate speech”.  Nor is the term inappropriate to the circumstances I describe.  The idea that speech could be criminalized is antithecal to the idea of personal liberty on which this country was founded.

Martin,

I am no fan of John McCain’s presidential candidacy.  But ours is a two party system, which all too often affords us the choice between the lesser of two evils.  A McCain presidency would be far less the unmitigated disaster domestically and internationally than either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would.

Anyone too myopic to view the alternatives should not be listened to at all.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One, the mere fact that under torture he revealed the names of the Green Bay offensive line makes him a collaborator!

Perhaps, you are not concerned about his setting the broken arms of his fellow detainees without a proper medical license?

This man is without shame!

There have been some vile rumors circulated on the far Left that McCain was not a tortured POW hero but a collaborator instead.  These documents, and the fact that the man cannot raise his arm high enough to salute should put an end to such vicious, unfounded hate speech.

I hope the left comes out with this crap. I dare them. They will be get beaten badly in the election for it.

Bat one said: I am no fan of John McCain’s presidential candidacy.  But ours is a two party system, which all too often affords us the choice between the lesser of two evils.  A McCain presidency would be far less the unmitigated disaster domestically and internationally than either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would.

I agree with that statement well said. McCain would do a lot better job than the light weight Barack Obama a campaign platform built on nothing.l

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It is interesting that some still cannot see the difference between hate speech and comments they don’t agree with.

I am just surprised to see that posted here.

Oh no he was a POW, whom was tourchered, thus making him way to demented for serving as the president!

“There have been some vile rumors circulated on the far Left that McCain was not a tortured POW hero but a collaborator instead.”

I think they are confusing him with John Kerry.

“Senator Kerry, I knew Benedict Arnold, and you are a Benedict Arnold”
Paraphrasing “Lloyd the Loser.”

Billybob, do you really think McCain is a demented man as a result of his time as a POW?

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I’ve said this before on SAB, and I’ll say it again, when McCain’s Vietnamese captors asked him for the names of his comrades McCain spewed the names of the GreenBay Packers offensive line!

Nice find, Bat One.

Some of the worst attacks made against John McCain have been made right here at SAB.

Hell, if the dems are smart, they will just cut and paste some of the vicious things said about McCain by contributors to this blog and save themselves a lot of ad money.

When are we going to wake up and realize that if we don’t support McCain, we get the senate’s MOST LIBERAL member, Barack Obama, as President?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Oh no he was a POW, whom was tourchered, thus making him way to demented for serving as the president!

If this was true which it isn’t, unlike either of the Dem candidates, McCain would have a ligitament excuse.

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

I just posted a short video of Col. Bud Day, who was McCain’s “roomie” in the Hanoi Hilton for about 2 1/2 years.

Plus, anyone who’s a Packer’s fan can’t be all bad! Heh.

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

When are we going to wake up and realize that if we don’t support McCain, we get the senate’s MOST LIBERAL member, Barack Obama, as President?

Pparents, there is a possibility if McCain doesn’t pick a good conservative that McCain runs the risk of losing his conservative backing. McCain record on some key conservative issues is questionable.

There is a mind set that some Conservatives would rather see Barack run the country into the ground than to let elect McCain if he upsets conservatives anymore. After Barack Hussein Obama has run the country into the ground we can rally around a more conservative candidate and finally get some real conservative elected. IF McCain picks some RINO liberal Republican I might stay home myself and I am sure that I am not alone. The second Amendment, Immigration enforcement, Conservative Judges are important and a lot of us don’t want to support or want a candidate that constiantly sticks his thumb in our eyes and disses conservative beliefs. We also don’t want our president signing off on LIBERAL BELIEFS and issues. 

McCain can not expect moderates and dems to vote for him.

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Some of the worst attacks made against John McCain have been made right here at SAB.

I assume that you mean me Do you want to point out specifics to discuss whether it’s a legitimate difference of opinion or an unfair attack?

On the other hand his RECORD and his PLATFORM are legitimate discussion points.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

No, Goon! McCain is a conservative, why?

The ultimate litmust test, SCOTUS

http://www.afjactioncampaign.org/voterhandbook/candidates.php?c=mccain

The Supreme Court is no joke, the law ends there. McCain has consistently been for strict constructionists.

Goon:  I love the unfounded speculation that after four years of Barack, the country will wake up.

Never mind that in four short years, armed with an expanded liberal majority in congress, Obama will return the Supreme Court to an activist, liberal bench for the next 20 years.

Never mind that Obama and congress will open the flood-gates of illegal immigration to an unprecidented level.

Never mind that a national [socialist] health care system will quickly be put in place.

Never mind that Obama will pull our troops out of the war on terrorism and have lunch with Ahmadinijahd.

Never mind that President Obama will immediately ask congress to put Affirmative Action back on the books.

Never mind that restrictions on gun ownership will be tightened and tightened again and again.

Never mind that Congress will have Whit House support for unprecidented tax increases.

Never mind that all of that can and will be accomplished in 48 months…

Let’s keep right on bashing McCain and let him know just how unhappy and suspicious we are.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Whistler:  Actually, I did not have you in mind.

While I think you cling to your perception that McCain is untrustworthy, I consider you to be reasonable and gentlemanly in your criticisms.

My reaction to you has always been, so what do you want?  Obama in the White House?

And what good is gained by your repeated recitation of grievances against McCain?  Will it help him win or weaken his chances?

In the final analysis, I respect and trust your honesty. I just think it’s time to move on.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Dirl:  Good post!  Great link!!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Pparents said: Goon:  I love the unfounded speculation that after four years of Barack, the country will wake up.

Never mind that in four short years, armed with an expanded liberal majority in congress, Obama will return the Supreme Court to an activist, liberal bench for the next 20 years.

Never mind that Obama and congress will open the flood-gates of illegal immigration to an unprecidented level.

Conservatives are making the same argument about McCain. I don’t see how he wins if he doesn’t pick a good solid conservative to be his running mate. On Immigration McCain is really not much different that Obama. It is almost a wash. One can make a argument for the Gang of 14 with McCain as well. Because If I understand it right they stopped the Republicans from pulling the nuclear option.

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I have heard no one try to accuse McCain of collaboration, which certainly absurd. No less absurd than the attacks on Kerry’s military record the republicans made four years ago.  What I find absurd is that anyone could promulgate an unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry and suddenly be offended when the smear comes back against their candidate.

Goon:  You don’t understand it right.  McCain and the 14 got Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito confirmed to the court over a dem majority.

When did you last hear John McCain call for driver’s licenses for all illegals as Obama has done?

I clearly remember McCain telling CPac that he had erred [something Obama is apparently incapable of] and would put the security of our borders first.  Has Obama promised that?

I note that you ignored my other items. Apparently they didn’t fit your agenda?

If you get past your bias, you will find that there are HUGE differences between McCain and Obama.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry

How dare anyone smear John Kerry with the truth!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

I have heard no one try to accuse McCain of collaboration, which certainly absurd. No less absurd than the attacks on Kerry’s military record the republicans made four years ago.  What I find absurd is that anyone could promulgate an unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry and suddenly be offended when the smear comes back against their candidate.

The so called smear campaign that you talk about was with guys that served with Kerry. I actually read the and I have yet to hear Kerry refute these claims, any of them.

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The Gang of 14 was a term coined to describe the bipartisan group of moderate Senators in the 109th United States Congress who successfully negotiated a compromise in the spring of 2005 to avoid the deployment of the so-called nuclear option (or constitutional option) over an organized use of the filibuster by Senate Democrats. The Democrats had been using the filibuster to prevent the confirmation of conservative appellate court candidates nominated by President George W. Bush. The gang consisted of seven Republicans and seven Democrats led by Sens. Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) and John McCain (R-Arizona). The informal group became active again in July 2005, attempting to advise Bush on the choice of a nominee to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. On November 3, 2005, the group met to discuss the nomination of Samuel Alito to the high court, but came to no conclusions, noting that the hearing process had only just begun in his case. On January 30, 2006, the members of the group unanimously supported a cloture vote in the Alito nomination, providing more than enough votes to prevent a filibuster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_14

Seems like I am understanding it right. Those were RINO and Democrats that formed this group to avoid the Nuclear option. I actually think the Nuclear option would have been the way to go.

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When did you last hear John McCain call for driver’s licenses for all illegals as Obama has done?

Nope but he wanted to give the lawbreakers shamesty.

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Seems like I am understanding it right. Those were RINO and Democrats that formed this group to avoid the Nuclear option. I actually think the Nuclear option would have been the way to go.

Part of why the Republicans aren’t in office, in my opinion, is that too many of you guys actively seek out confrontation instead of compromise.  That’s not governance, that’s incompetence.

Part of why the Republicans aren’t in office, in my opinion, is that too many of you guys actively seek out confrontation instead of compromise.  That’s not governance, that’s incompetence.

There are some things that one should not compromise on. Judges, guns and immigrations are just a few things.

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All you compromised on was that you wouldn’t use the nuclear option.

Why can’t one compromise on that?

McCain is not using his war record as the reason for his candidacy, as did John Kerry.
My objections to McCain have to do with his performance in office, which, IMO, go against his heroism during the Vietnam War.  Our only hope in the event of a McCain Presidency, is to elect a conservative Congress to keep him in check.  Ditto for either Dem candidate.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

What I find absurd is that anyone could promulgate an unconscionable smear campaign against Kerry and suddenly be offended when the smear comes back against their candidate.

Bruce,

Being a Vietnam vet myself, I did a good bit of digging into John Kerry’s three and a half month tour of duty in Vietnam.

If you’d like to discuss whose medals Kerry threw over the White House fence… and why; the reason that there are still 114 pages of Kerry’s military records, including his original discharge from the Navy, which are unaccounted for and withheld from public review, the odd fact that all of the citations for Kerry’s military awards, including his Silver Star and Purple Hearts, bear dates and signatures from after his (original) discharge, Where Kerry really was the day the PCF-94 boat was attacked and David Alston was wounded in the head, and who was really in command of that boat… an action for which Kerry “unconscionably” took credit; Kerry’s “skimmer scam”, his trip to Cambodia, or his “magic hat” let me know.

When we’re done with those topics, we can examine the November 1971 meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Kansas City, the meeting Kerry denied he attended, until confronted by information in FBI surveillance files showing he had indeed been there.  That was the meeting at which a plot to assassinate certain prominent US officials who supported the war effort was discussed.  Those officials included Henry Kissinger, John Stennis, Richard Russell and others. Both US federal law and the UCMJ require that such discussions be reported to the proper authorities.  Kerry did no such thing.

As is pointed out above, telling the truth is not a “smear”.  John O’Neill even challenged Kerry to sue… to take him and the Swift Boat Vets to court and prove that their charges against Kerry were false.  Fittingly, Kerry backed down and declined to sue.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Kerry backed down and declined to sue.

Theresa probably wouldn’t loan him the cash to hire a lawyer!

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Bat,

I was in the Marine Corps in infantry training at San Onofre, California when Kerry gave his famous (infamous) testimony before the Senate in which he disparaged our troops to the point of treason.

I didn’t see it (television was but a fond memory in infantry training) but the reason I remember it was because when I called home that weekend my uncle, a two tour Marine combat veteran, was in a rage about it.

He called Kerry everything but a human being and questioned then how Kerry would know so much about how our troops were fighting in the jungles from the deck of a boat.

That’s not to disparage what the Swift Boat guys did. Getting shot at is getting shot at. But Kerry made like he had knowledge of the entire theater of war that he could not possibly have had with the limited number of engagements he was involved in.

Phony. Period.

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Part of why the Republicans aren’t in office, in my opinion, is that too many of you guys actively seek out confrontation instead of compromise.  That’s not governance, that’s incompetence

One does not compromise principles.  If you are willing to compromise everything you have no principles.  If you have no principles you have no morals.  Unprincipled and amoral - sort of descibes a liberal Democrat don’t it?

Being liberal is never having to admit you’re wrong

dd: Agreed.  The real problem of the Republican Party is shying away from confrontation in order to “get along” or be “bipartisan”.  Had we confronted the lefties on SS, domestic oil development, larger tax rate cuts and the invasion of illegals, we would not be in the position we are in today as a Party.
As it is, the Republican Party is just “Dem Lite”, IMO.
We need contrast with their obvious leftism.
The American people need to be offered a real choice.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

PParents:

Goon:  You don’t understand it right.  McCain and the 14 got Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito confirmed to the court over a dem majority.

PP:  The Republicans were in the majority.  They had the votes to pass these judges.  The Dems were playing a new dirty trick pulling a filibuster to block judges.  Nobody had done that under these circumstances before.

For that reason I disagree with Carrick that this was about compromise.  This was surrender, enshrining the use of the filibuster to block judges. 

I guess it’s a tool the Republican could use if Obama wins the White House, if the Democrats don’t pull their own nuclear option.  Still since it had never been used to block anyone before so do we really need it?

(Note the only time the filibuster was used was to embarrass a corrupt Supreme Court justice who Johnson I believe had nominated to Chief Justice.  He didn’t have the votes to win the nomination, so that isn’t the same thing.)

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Whistler: 

They had the votes to pass these judges.

... not over a filibuster, which requires a 60 vote super-majority to envoke cloture.

That’s why Senator McCain knew that a filibuster had to be avoided.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

not over a filibuster, which requires a 60 vote super-majority to envoke cloture.

Prior to GW Bush Administration no judge had to get a super majority to get approved.

That’s why Senator McCain knew that a filibuster had to be avoided.

No what had to be done was to change the Senate rules back to the ones we had followed for 200 or so years.  That could have been done with the simple majority.

The question is if McCain was unwilling to fight for qualified judges when the Republicans had a majority in the Senate what makes anyone think he’ll fight for qualified judges when they don’t?

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Whistler:  The real question is, who do you want nominating justices?  Obama, Clinton or McCain?

You can quibble that it will make no difference, but it will.

So, who?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.