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But SUV’s are a more politically convenient target than cows, so I guess McCain will ignore that bit of inconvenient truth.

Great point Rob. I think McCain should really put together a plan to rid cows of their flatulence.  I think that would be tax dollars well spent.

Thanks for keeping our eye on the ball.  I think Proof should raise this issue at the next town hall meeting on your behalf.

McCain would saddle us with new taxes and regulations that would burden our lives with no guarantees that those taxes and regulations would succeed in their objectives.  Or any evidence which would suggest that those objectives need to be met in the first place.

McCain isn’t a stupid man.  He has to know about these questions, yet he’s pushing ahead anyway.  Which means that he’s just getting behind the issue as a way to get himself into office or he’s using it as an excuse for a government power grab.

Or, McCain is smart enough to realize that it really doesn’t hurt us to move away from fossil fuels and our dependancy on the Mid East tyrants who make a lot of their profit from us and others because of those same fuels. 

Perhaps McCain figured out that if we could lead through example, like some of our foreign neighbors, that maybe the world would be less dependent on the ME, Central America for fuel and possibly he thinks the climate might benefit as well?

He merely used the word “implicated” after all.  It’s not like he said it was the only reason, nor did he say it was the primary reason, he simply said this is something that has been.....implicated...and, well, we certainly know words have meanings.  Bat told me so.

Just a tidbit:
The #1 largest global warming gas is water vapor. However, I’m thinking that we should leave that one alone. Methane is more energy (heat) retaining that CO2, so Rob is right, however it is in lower abundance.

H2O is responsable for about 36% of Greenhouse effect heat and CO2 account for 9% of the greenhouse effect. These numbers we gained via chroatographic cross section at one ATM in typical air gas proportions, including N, He, Ar and O3.

Now, if you change the percentages of gas, you change the numbers in terms of energy retention. (pv=nrt) However, what is overlooked is the high degree of CO2 and methane, in solution, in the oceans. Removal of CO2 or methane may not trigger a favorable climatic change due to gas solution release from the oceans as ATM pressure changes.

It’s believed that the CO2 release, from solution, from the oceans during the Permian may have caused that extinction event. However, it is worth noting that the earth was still very young in having an oxygen bearing atmosphere so the heating and cooling effects would be much more drastic.

That being said, If McCain’s plan allows for an increase in usage in renewable energy without handicapping market mechinisms, I’m all for it. I honestly doubt it will effect the global temperature, but anything that provides for more energy independence and the usage of hydrocarbon as trasnportation fuel only, instead of electric generation, is a step in the right direction.

Additionally, US efforts to encourage better alignment with Canada and Mexico for oil imports would be nice. i find it sad that we import more oil from an American hating Hugo Chavez than we do from Mexico. Convincing Mexico to allow US investment and exploration in thier country could help jump start their economy, create mexican jobs, reduce oil and gas transportation cost, decrease the US focus on Middle eastern policy and help with illegal immigration while providing the oil we use.

The same can be said of encoraging the production of Canadian resources, which welcome outside investment. At these prices, the Canadain oil sands look pretty good and Canada is aligned with US interests more often than not.

No, it can’t replace OPEC but I’d rather transfer US wealth to Mexico or Canada in our oil importing than Saudi Arabia.

First of all comparing glaciers that probably only formed during the little ice age is a pretty crappy way to “prove” global warming.  Where were those glaciers before the little ice age.

I also have to disagree with the other Rob.  If McCain gave a damn about energy independence he wouldn’t have done what he did to develop ANWR.

He’s pandering to whack jobs that aren’t going to support him.  You said that maybe McCain was “smart enough.” I don’t have an opinion of his intelligence, but I do have an opinion of his arrogance.  He is arrogant enough to screw over the people of this country rather than admit he’s wrong.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

This is a long comment, for which I wish to apologize. The problem is, Mr. Barr’s website isn’t quite up-to-date when it comes to the intertubes.

I received the following press release on Wednesday, but there is no link available on his website. So, skip past this comment if you want to avoid his press release.

The reason for this comment is, when I received this press release, I kinda shrugged and muttered “dumb”. Then Senator McCain announces that he has taken the Man Made Global Warming kool-aid, and pronounced it “good”.

He was never my first choice. Not even my second. But, thanks to Florida, here we are. He admits he’s no economist. Now he admits he’s no rocket scientist. Yes, he has suffered. Yes, he’s been in D.C. too long. No, I don’t want to vote for Mr. Barr, but, you should at least hear what he has to say, now that Senator McCain has left the building.

So, I end this comment at this point. To see the communication from Mr. Barr, I’ve posted it here, to save poor SayAnything from my excess.

http://tinyurl.com/5n4uaw

There’s a curious irony about Bob Barr.  He was the first congressman to call for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, true enough.

But before he was a congressman, he was one of the US Attorneys who were all summarily fired by incoming President Bill Clinton!  Had Clinton not fired all those US Attorneys, an acto for which he certainly had the necessary constitutional authority, he might very well never have been impeached, and Monica Lewinski’s DNA splattered dress would never have made to the headlines and the evening news.

Of course, Bob Barr, an honorable but somewhat kookie Liberatarian, has also called for the impeachment of George W. Bush.  But Mr. Bush will be long out of office before anyone of importance takes that call seriously.

Barr’s Liberarian candidacy is likely to attract at least as many disaffected Demcorats as it will Republicans.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Actually, it’s worth noting that carbon-dioxide is not the worst greenhouse gas.  Methane emitted through livestock flatulence and defecation is actually 20 times worse than carbon dioxide.

Maybe pound-per-pound, methane is a more potent greenhouse gas, but CO2 is still a larger effect in the atmosphere due to its greater abundance.  Pretty much the same point that Rob B made.

Whistler, the fact that we have had 150 years of deglaciation is proof of global warming, just not man-made.

Also, if as H. pointed out, “implicated” means “a cause” not “the only cause”, then McCain and I pretty much agree on this too.

I know you guys hate McCain outright, so I wouldn’t expect a fair trial here in any case.

Whistler, the fact that we have had 150 years of deglaciation is proof of global warming, just not man-made.

I realize that, and I am often (usually) unclear on the fact that YES we are warming but the man-caused portion of that is not the largest driver of that.

However since McCain is “fixing” the problem of global warming by trying to coerce people to change their behavior it should be pretty clear that I oppose his stance that it’s man made (and only man made).

I fail to see how we’d halt a natural warming cycle (nor how we could nip this little cooling thing we’re in RIGHT NOW in the bud.)

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I know you guys hate McCain outright,

I think he’s dangerously wrong on illegal immigration as well as his global warming stuff.

He’s been wrong on Campaign finance reform and some other things, but that’s water over the bridge.

Hate?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler: hate?

Pretty close.  To say you don’t play him down the middle is a bit like saying that gasoline isn’t entirely noncombustible.

However, I happen to think that he has pretty much shot himself in the foot on this one by the way.  Cap and trade on this scale doesn’t work.  Europe has pretty much proven that.

I saw a reference today that his *new* proposal is a European cap and trade scheme.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

We are so screwed come 2008 but the real culprits are not the candidates but the people that voted for them in the primaries.  ‘We have met the enemy and they are us’.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

McCain isn’t a stupid man.

You sure?

Whistler:

I saw a reference today that his *new* proposal is a European cap and trade scheme.

Yes.  It’s f**king cap and trade, at its most base.

What kind of cap and trade?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

...the fact that we have had 150 years of deglaciation…

I think we have been “deglaciating” for approximately 10,000 years, since the end of the last Ice Age.  So far, so good…

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Question:  If John McCain takes the classic conservatives stance that Global Warming is a hoax and that those who believe that something must be done are wrong, does he gain enough votes to win the election?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

If he’s stupid enough to believe a hoax and keep pushing this garbage does he lose enough votes to lose the election or does he win and screw up the country forever?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

My question stands.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

does he gain enough votes to win the election?

No the people stupid enough to buy into McCain’s global warming crap are going to vote for Obama.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Not if they have another choice....

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Right the Algore supporters are going to switch parties because McCain’s got the same position as Obama. 

Hey turns out they’re socialists too and are going to go for the real thing, not the stupid guy who’s toying with it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Millions and millions of people think Gore is a whacko-creep [probably because he is!] but still believe global warming is affected by man.

McCain also knows that Corporate America including Wall Street have gone ‘green’.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

On the bright side, I do like the nuclear energy proposal and McCain’s defense of that (paraphrase) “well, duh”.

I just ain’t sold on the caps, especially the idea of pushing us back to pre 1990 CO2 levels based on what I see as badly flawed models.

Question: If John McCain takes the classic conservatives stance that Global Warming is a hoax and that those who believe that something must be done are
wrong, does he gain enough votes to win the election?

What profiteth a man to gain the world, and lose his soul?
Sacrificing the truth for political expediency is typical of the Dems, not the Republicans.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108:
I don’t disagree, but… “What profiteth a man to run on principle and lose the election.”

This is not an effort to be snide, but a reflection of political reality, versus the purity of principle.  In other words, the point at which the rubber meets the road in election politics.

In my view, the likelihood of a win this November by even a moderate republican is slim to none; and by a conservative, zero.

We are going to see huge loses in the house and senate. In an effort to at least hold the WH, McCain can be likened to a salmon swimming upstream against a swift current to the left.

Burdened with his spotty record where conservatives are concerned, yet conservative enough to be bashed by the left, his only hope of winning is an appeal to the middle.

Hence, his modest [by comparison to Obama] ‘market-based’ plan on environmental issues.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

In my view, the likelihood of a win this November by even a moderate republican is slim to none; and by a conservative, zero.

Only because we have neither a moderate Republican nor a conservative in the Presidential race.
That’s no justification for abandoning our principles and pandering to the lefties.  Thus opens the door to hell.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

pp: I guess we have a fundamental difference when it comes to winning elections.  To me, it’s important to give the voters a real choice, and McCain doesn’t offer that.  Reagan won by giving the voters a clear choice, and was thus able to sway a lot of Dems to vote for him, but McCain not only offers little real choice to Dem voters, but has completely dropped the ball in the present campaign.  Hillary and Rush dropped a great big present in his lap, and he has (figuratively) pissed on it.  While the Dems tear each other apart, McCain has had the field to himself, and has failed to exploit it by being soft on the obvious faults of both Dem candidates.  He could be running against Hillary’s obvious socialism, and Barack’s obvious divisive black liberation theology, as well as the military naivete of both Dems, but he has done neither.
Other than the desire for power and authority, I have no idea what McCain’s real values are, other than he is Dem lite.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108:  I couldn’t agree with you more that John McCain missed an opportunity to bash both opponents while they were bashing each other, nor am I comfortable with his global warming policy pronouncement in Oregon.  I hope he has more to say in defining what he really intends.

Having said that, there are some clear differences between him and the Dems which matter very much to me. He stands firm in fighting terrorism in the Middle East. He is pro-life. He prefers conservative Justices and judges. He is opposed to erosion of gun rights. He is not, by nature, a tax-and-spend legislator.

I am comfortable in voting for him for those reasons alone.

As you and I have both opined here and elsewhere, he needs to make a critically effective and appealing choice for running mate.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I wish I could trust him to support those things you think he supports, but he has betrayed us so many times, my trust is gone.  I wish there was even one instance where he stood with conservatives against the Dems, but can’t think of one.  I just see him caving on every issue, if the Dems oppose him.
Rush played his “global warming” speech, and it was a travesty.  He doesn’t even understand what the free market is.  He wants to rig the energy market to get a predetermined socially correct outcome, just like any other socialist.  He even wants us to sign on to Kyoto.
It’s pathetic.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.