Tell you what. You get one of those guys to ride a 20ft bomb (wave) out at Ocean Beach San Francisco and then we can talk about who has qualifications to call anyone anything.

Bat tried to imply that I was not man enough or in a position to judge those men because I never rode a Sturgis. My reply was that me never having ridden one meant nothing, as none of them have ridden a 20ft wave, I would wager.

If you’ll read it again, real carefully this time, twit, the quote says “…rode to Sturgis.” Sturgis isn’t a type of bike, Moron! Its a place! A town in western South Dakota. I didn’t challenge you to ride “a Sturgis.” I asked whether you had ever been there for the biker rally, because not having been there yourself you’d be hard-pressed to rightfully cast aspersions on the behavior of those who are there.

To get a crowd is McCain now having to open for a topless contest?

The “crowd” in this case is the annual biker convention in Stugis, the majority of whom are fellow Vietnam Vets who rode halfway across the country to get there. Many of these guys are the same ones who ride the annual Rolling Thunder rally in Washington, DC every Memorial Day and who also have donated their time and their considerable presence protecting the funerals of American combat heroes from both Fred Phelps anti-gay protesters and virulently disrespectful leftwing anti-war protesters as well.

Clearly Mr. McCain (and his wife) were far more welcome at Sturgis than any metro-sexual Democrat candidate could hope to be. The very fact that the McCains have a sense of humor while our own resident liberal lemmings do not is proof enough of that.

While I may spend time in strip clubs, I let my girlfriends know it’s about business and I would never subject them to that behavior that neither I nor my customers participate in. This doesn’t mean that I don’t recognize it for what it is.

No, honey. Really, titties are a part of my job!

Why are you laughing?

Of course, if it’s just OTHER women…its ok.

No criticisms Rob?

This sure isn’t a demonstration of good ol traditional family values. This is trashy display of the sadly still continued subjugation of women.

This guy is not ready to represent out country.

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First, you don’t have to take off your clothes to act trashy and whorish (Bat admits that much). Second, even if he is joking, it still shows no respect or dignity for her as a lady. It was a horrible joke.

Oh please. You clearly have no clue how married people behave. No one with the slightest association with married couples, especially older ones, would find such a lame comment disrespectful. The stuff I hear from old people who are clearly joking blows this out of the water. My own grandparents said much worse, and no one in their right mind would’ve doubted they loved each other.

You’re deliberately blowing this out of proportion.

You are guessing again and it is more rational to assume that any true lady would be disappointed if not downright angry.

Maybe if one’s never met a true lady. Or has never met many women in general. Please, what childish claptrap. “Hey honey, they have a bikini contest. I bet if you entered you’d win.” Yea, I don’t know any women who’d be offended by that. I know many who’d tell me I’m full of crap. None who’d be offended.

She wasn’t.

It’s worse, they don’t even get paid to act like whores. At least the strippers make a decent living.

And? From what I’ve seen, they keep their bikini on, participate in a wet tshirt contest, and eat a pickle. HOLY CRAP. And the winner gets a prize!

All the women who take off their tops do so voluntarily. It’s not part of the contest.

And your whole, strippers are victims routine is a crazy double standard as these young girls are being encouraged by their peers and are impressionable young women. Where I live, there is not birthday boy rub it in your face action. Because we can drink, we are not allowed to touch. You are confusing different state laws with ours.

I never claimed strippers were victims. You claimed Cindy McCain had been used. By your crap argument, you’re using these girls. Your whole moronic back and forth is that Cindy’s a victim, but not the girls you patronize. By the standards YOU are putting forward, so are the strippers. That’s my new schtict remember? I argue down leftist nonsense by accepting their concepts.

And the birthday boy isn’t allowed to touch here either. The rules are the same, the stripper initiates contact. I’m not confusing anything. I’ve been to clubs.

The statement wasn’t about you, it was about McCain, ya dolt. McCain offered his wife to take part in the contest, did you even read what MCCAIN SAID?

You asked why I had a double standard. I don’t. You claimed McCain had done something wrong. Then, you admit that you do worse. Personally, I don’t think either of you are doing anything wrong. But since you wanna paint McCain as garbage for making a comment, you are human feces for using naked women to make money. It’s that simple.

He did encourage her, you know it. You are denying what was written and what he said to do that logical backflip.
I can’t believe you would stretch that far.

There’s no stretch. He said that his wife should join their “beauty contest”. He was on a stage in front of people, no strippers. It was a passing joke. You have played it up like this 2 second joke made in passing jest was a nefarious plot to whore his wife out.

Quite simply, it was nothing like you implied. And as always, you’re making a big deal out of nothing because it’s a Republican. Even the liberal NYT disagrees with you.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/cindy-mccain-as-miss-buffalo-chip/

You’re more partisan and dishonest than the NYT and that’s saying something.

Galbraith??? There is probably no other liberal Democrat who was as thoroughly, effortlessly and frequently decimated by William F. Buckley as was Ken Galbraith.

He was, to put it charitably, as ineffectual and inconsequential an ambassador as he was an economist, and there has probably been no liberal Democrat in living memory who was so generous with the disparity between his own sense of self importance and his true value or significance.

The only difference between quoting Galbraith and quoting Millard Filmore is that Filmore knew what he was talking about!

Beats manufacturing a crowd, like Obama did by lying how many people say him in Berlin. What is with that anyway?

Please provide a statement where Obama lied.

John McCain obviously loves his wife…

Yeah, he obviously loves her so much that he decided to disrespect her in public and to the nation.

Classy guy. If that is his idea of love, I feel sorry for his wife.

It’s clear that he was oblivious to the general idea of the “beauty contest”.
Or, more likely, he has no idea about the group that he was campaigning to.

And that’s a good thing?

I insist that localhost sign over his bank accounts to me, and give me 25% of his earnings every week.

If he doesn’t, that makes him selfish.

He lied about tire inflation saving us all the oil we would get by drilling.

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/a_full_explanation_of_how_wrong_obama_was_with_his_tire_gaffe

Robert says:

Wrong again! He’s proud of her. I guess you don’t know anything about real women, either.

I would be interested to hear what it is you think you know of “real women”.

There are quite a few problems with your simplistic explanation for McCain’s tawdry exploitation of his wife. For one, she is the potential first lady. For him to put her in that category and propose such a ludicrous idea is not only disrespectful to her, but to all women as she is supposed to represent American women.

Another problem with you approval of his type of response from McCain suggests that it is ok to cheaply objectify women, let alone your wife. It is not.

Certainly women have the choice to enter such a crude contest, but they do so at the expense of their own dignity. I think all of you know this, but you are too partisan to admit it.

You can certainly be proud of your wife, girlfriend or lover. But to demonstrate your pride by offering them up for cheap exploitation does not demonstrate respect or love, in my opinion.

… would the judges be obligated to score her higher just because of who she is?

RebTex,

There are now “judges.” Its a voice vote among all those present.

Oh!
I see I’ve defeated you at some point in the past.
Worry not!
I hold no grudge.

Debauchery????

No disrespect intended, Bubba, but that sounds like a line from a column in the San Fransisco Chronicle or the Seattle PI.

Sigh, I guess we all need to be kept humble. :^)

That said, certainly writers from the Chronicle know debauchery when they see it, seeing as they get to see it so often.

So, the almighty dollar trumps principle with Hannie…

Exactly what principle are you referring to here, Proof? Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my distinct recollection that principle, like modesty, graciousness, and rational process, is not something with which “progressives” are endowed.

A real liberal would point out that your “saving” your wife/girlfriend from exposure, for your own personal moral benefit, could be construed as a type of exploitation.

Kenny,

Are you slamming McCain?

Also, you may not be able to build a relationship on trust and understanding, but I can.

And it is not just topless my friend, it is full nude in Hawai’i, AND you can drink alcohol. I make it known up front that entertaining my vendors and my customers requires that we hit a strip club or two when they are in town or when I travel for business. It is just the way it is my friend.

Half of my DOD, Military customers want lunch at Hooters and sometimes they want a S-club afterwards. Hell, I hate the place (Hooters), but I have to take them there, because they like it. All of those gents have wives. I am single.

Exactly what principle are you referring to here, Proof?

Hard to say with Pieceofcrappitized! He says, he “hates” going to Hooters, which would imply that he has some principle against going. Either that, or as we’ve all suspected: He simply doesn’t “like” girls!

(Not that there’s anything wrong with playing for the other team, Pieceofcrappitized!)

I think it is quite obvious that McCain used his wife for a joke to employ the greatest possible advantage with the crowd he was trying to win over. He
utilized her for his own selfish purposes.

For your bullshit to have a shred of credibility, you would have to prove that he and his wife don’t share a common goal.
I know you would really like to twist this one for your partisan political purposes, but since you are totally wrong, you fail in every attempt.

Hint: You can’t exploit someone who wants the same thing you want. It’s called a partnership.
Sorry you don’t understand that, but it shows how little you know about heterosexual relationships, especially marriage.

Debauchery????

No disrespect intended, Bubba, but that sounds like a line from a column in the San Fransisco Chronicle or the Seattle PI.

I am single.

And with good reason… obviously!

B-bubba; Got news for ya! Until this week, I never ever heard of Sturgis. Us East-coast types just don’t get out enough.

McCain Offers Up Wife For Strip Contest

Others in the world see it my way as well:

.I don’t call that a sense of humor…it’s called “pandering at the expense of his sugar momma.”

Uh….yeah!!

omg, blueice, this needs to get out. what a pig mccain is. omg

2nd that.

Yep, and I also notice how his sense of humor so often is about degrading women, including the sugar baby without whose largesse he’d never have had a political career and be just another angry old retired captain sitting around the O Club slurping down cocktails and telling war stories.

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=2000614499&tstart=0&mod=1218045114690

Hmmm, coincidence? I think not.

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/05/mccain-volunteers-wife-for-topless-contest/3

“I encouraged Cindy to compete,” McCain said to cheers. “I told her with a little luck she could be the only woman ever to serve as first lady and Miss Buffalo Chip.”

Yes, nothing like a little first lady T&A to help heal the country (the bottoms have been known to come off at the Miss Buffalo Chip contest, too). Nothing quite says “American Pride” like showing off your wife at a biker rally.

Heh, beauty contest my arse!

Hannitized, you seriously need to get a sense of humor. Yes, the contest in question is undoubtedly sleazy. However, the context clearly indicates that McCain was joking in a way that would be understood by his audience, a skill that “aragula” might do well to learn.

You clearly have no clue how married people behave. No one with the slightest association with married couples, especially older ones, would find such a lame comment disrespectful. The stuff I hear from old people who are clearly joking blows this out of the water.

Bottom line: Kenny nails it on this one. As a married man, I have to agree with him. My wife would be offended if I didn’t say something similar.

I’m almost surprised at the level of faux-outrage coming from the left on this one, just as I am over the levels of faux-outrage among the right for some of Obama’s more minor gaffes. But I guess in politics you can find a way to attack your opponent no matter what he/she does. No matter what McCain did, the left could find away to criticize him. If he had spoken out against the contest, the left would have claimed he was shitting on a proud tradition held by veterans. And I don’t even want to think about the reaction (both from the left and his wife) had he said, “I told my wife not to enter. I don’t think she’d win.”

This is a dumb debate to be having and I’m not going to get wrapped up in this political, partisan nonsense.

True,

Your hypothetical horseshit was hardly worth it the first time.

Of course, the fact is, the Obamas weren’t at Sturgis, and would not have been nearly as welcome as were the McCains in any case. To those who served in Vietnam, John McCain is a hero. Young Mr. Obama has yet to actually do anything heroic, and certainly nothing to compare with the sacrifice McCain made on behalf of his country.

Period.

You belittle hard working men and prop up
thugs who encourage impressionable young women to take off their clothes for their cheap thrills. You have got issues man!

He belittled union thugs, who richly deserve it, an Cindy McCain is neither an impressionable young women, not did she take off her clothes. You are just plain wrong here, and this thread isn’t about you.

Kenny,

Of course you can H. That’s why you felt the need to attack my relationships with other people when you know nothing about me.

What are you talking about? When did I attack your relationships with other people?

Because yours is so secure. Eye roll. I’ve been nothing but polite to you here and you personally attack me.

What are you crying about? Where did I attack you?

So, let’s be clear here. It’s absolutely unconscionable to make a joke about your wife being in a bikini/wet t-shirt contest, but it’s absolutely ok to use naked women to make money from your clients?

First of all, there is no indication it was a joke. You can conclude that, but you would be doing so on a guess. Second, you CAN make the joke, but it is classless, tacky and disrespectful to your wife, and completely out of line if you are running for president.

I am not running for President, and I do not have a wife. The women who are paid to entertain aren’t used, they are paid. And it half the time it is not for my clients, but for our vendors, who in reality makes me their clients.

When you are building relationships you do things like this. This saturday I am going on a shark dive with my vendor AND a client, on the vendors dime. Then, we are golfing on Wednesday, our dime. Entertainment is entertainment.

That’s a load of horsecrap and is one of the most ridiculous double standards I’ve ever heard.

I can do it, but he can’t even talk about it. Asshatery.

Look who is attacking now. But your comparison is a bad one. Allow me to explain the differences:

1. I am not married
2. I am not running for President
3. My g/f,lover, partner is not a potential First Lady.
4. I admit going to strip clubs is cheap and classless
5. Are you crazy?

Proof: H moron was correctly diagnosed as a malignant narcissist with obsessive tendencies a long time ago, and has given us no reason to change that diagnosis.

…he encouraged her to join in the festivities…

You lie; he did no such thing.

…a lowly and classless event.

That would be any of the times Clinton betrayed his wife with other women. You apparently have no sense at all.

He didn’t “offer her up”, you dolt! He made a joking reference. Is your “partner” giving you a bad time over this?

What part of he encouraged her to join in the festivities don’t you understand?

“Brother when I go to the club I sit and drink shots for them while the other girls either sit or dance for my customers and vendors.”
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I didn’t realize Hannitized is a female.
I Appolgize for my aggressive behavior towards you.
It won’t happen again.

Reb, are you seriously saying that someone can live 70 years in this country and not be aware that the Sturgis rally is associated with debauchery?

Please.

True,

I agree 100%. If Obama would have said this we would hear how he is not fit for office. But since it is their savior who is making the gaffes, it is simply viewed as humor. (gag)

Clearly Mr. McCain (and his wife) were far more welcome at Sturgis than any metro-sexual Democrat candidate could hope to be. The very fact that the McCains have a sense of humor while our own resident liberal lemmings do not is proof enough of that.

I wonder how much rightwing excrement would have hit the fan if it had been Obama talking about Michelle instead of McCain about Cindy?
O la la. Call 911, Sean Hannity would be trying to spout so many “suppository” remarks that he’d get his mike jammed in his throat on Fox.

Kenny,

Of course you can H. That’s why you felt the need to attack my relationships with other people when you know nothing about me.

What are you talking about? When did I attack your relationships with other people?

Because yours is so secure. Eye roll. I’ve been nothing but polite to you here and you personally attack me.

What are you crying about? Where did I attack you?

So, let’s be clear here. It’s absolutely unconscionable to make a joke about your wife being in a bikini/wet t-shirt contest, but it’s absolutely ok to use naked women to make money from your clients?

First of all, there is no indication it was a joke. You can conclude that, but you would be doing so on a guess. Second, you CAN make the joke, but it is classless, tacky and disrespectful to your wife, and completely out of line if you are running for president.

I am not running for President, and I do not have a wife. The women who are paid to entertain aren’t used, they are paid. And it half the time it is not for my clients, but for our vendors, who in reality makes me their clients. When you are building relationships you do things like this. This saturday I am going on a shark dive with my vendor AND a client, on the vendors dime. Then, we are golfing on Wednesday, our dime. Entertainment is entertainment.

That’s a load of horsecrap and is one of the most ridiculous double standards I’ve ever heard.

I can do it, but he can’t even talk about it. Asshatery.

Look who is attacking now. But your comparison is a bad one. Allow me to explain the differences:

1. I am not married
2. I am not running for President
3. My g/f,lover, partner is not a potential First Lady.
4. I admit going to strip clubs is cheap and classless
5. Are you crazy?

John McCain obviously loves his wife, unlike Bill Clinton; what’s wrong with that?

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for
selfishness.”

- John Kenneth Galbraith

Typical collectivist, socialist bullshit.
They hate individual independence, as it refutes all their crap.

H,

Just to set the record straight about your won qualification to criticize here, when was the last time you rode to Sturgis?

Joining in the “festivities” is not the same thing as taking one’s clothes off… except in the prurient imaginations of self-serving, partisan adolescents.

True. You are guessing and speculating.

“Please provide a statement where Obama lied.”
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.
.Really, Hawk?
Would his lies about having no idea that his “church leader” was anti-white count?

Kenny,

When you said “You may not be able to build relationships based on trust.” I quoted it when I responded.

The words that were used; MAY NOT, suggest that you may, you may not. It was not presented as a conclusion and therefore could not have been an attack. You know this.

You aren’t that soft, are you?

The comment seems to be a joke, unless you believe he honestly expects his wife to be First Lady AND be in bikini contests. That seems far less reasonable than to assume it was a joke.

It does seem to be a joke, but it might not. A lot of people do things because they “thought” someone was joking. Or sometimes feelings are hurt, because no body realized someone was joking.

And if it was, the expression “you like to make jokes at my expense” exists for a reason.

Paid or not, they are being “utilized for selfish purposes”, in this case to get men to come in and spend money to see them act like whores.

McCain came to see women act like whores. Why the double standard?

Besides half the women just sit next to you and do shots and chat with my customers and vendors. That is not acting like a whore.

And you’re using them to hock your wares. By any definition that McCain was exploiting his wife, you’re exploiting these women.

Execpt the women are getting paid. And even if there is a similarity, THEY ARE STILL NOT MY WIFE.

All your other factors are irrelevant to the discussion of hypocracy. You admit it’s shameful, yet you do it to your benefit.

I never said it was “shameful”. You don’t know anything about meanings.

If it was bad for McCain to talk about doing it, it’s bad for you to really do it.

You are acting crazy. McCain encouraged his wife to participate in the Festivities. I don’t have a wife and left my girl friend at home when I do business like that. He brought her to the party.

It’s disrespectful to use women as objects, whether or not it’s your wife, sister, or a complete stranger. You have no case H.

That doesn’t even make sense. You are comparing women who subject themselves to McCain who offered up his wife.

And btw you’re a piece of shit for your cheap shot in the other thread. I agree with Proof, go play in traffic.

Oh, the cry baby makes the attack after complaining about vague comments.

You’re a putz.

In all honesty, I havn’t had that chance.

Well, you don’t just end up surfing 20ft waves in 54 degree water by chance. You have to build up to it so you don’t kill yourself.

I have swam in the gulf surf with the swarms of sharks trying to rope one when they got too near the shore.

Very cool, I am diving with sharks tomorrow.

I

‘ve exited perfectly good aircraft while in flight…..

Cool…but not the same. You can jump with an escort with little training. Surfing 20ft plus waves takes years to work up to, and courage.

I

‘ve even wrestled large hogs just for the fun of it.

Know nothing about it, but it sounds crazy.

I’m not sure that your listed activity nor mine make either one of us any more or less qualified to make a moral determination.

You misunderstood the challenge. Bat tried to imply that I was not man enough or in a position to judge those men because I never rode a Sturgis. My reply was that me never having ridden one meant nothing, as none of them have ridden a 20ft wave, I would wager.

Oh, and for the record Hannity, I was recreating the scene as I saw it.

I’ve met very few women who would fall for such a line of crap. No woman worth her salt is going to pretend you’re doing a favor by going to see naked women who aren’t her. The fact that you consider it a favor shows a weird fake moral core. “Of course I can go see women get exploited, but I’d never take my significant other.” Oh yea. OK.

Aw, isn’t Hannitized’s faux outrage over this just so touching?

And if it was, the expression “you like to make jokes at my expense” exists for a reason.

Out and out “he’s pimping out his wife” falls through. The comments as they are, indicate joke. In absense of any evidence saying that he really wanted his wife to rip off her clothes and get naked in front of strangers, it’s foolish to call it anything other than a joke. These two have been married for decades, so it’s pretty damned doubtful that such an innocous comment hurt her feelings.

McCain came to see women act like whores. Why the double standard?

I’m not the one claiming McCain did anything wrong while participating in similar behavior.
And McCain went for the Vietnam veterans, who he wants to vote for him.

And the videos that I saw are pretty tame. Nothing I haven’t seen at the beach. Hardly comparable to anything I’ve seen the clothed girls do at the strip clubs.

Besides half the women just sit next to you and do shots and chat with my customers and vendors. That is not acting like a whore.

Yea, they do that between sets of taking their clothes off, giving lap dances to strangers, grinding themselves on birthday boys faces, and walking around half naked (which some of them do period). Ok, between all that they have the customers buy them shots and talk. And generally try to sell something every now and again.

Hell, by that definition prostitutes don’t act like whores because they stand around on corners talking between Johns and sometimes grab a meal!

You are acting crazy. McCain encouraged his wife to participate in the Festivities. I don’t have a wife and left my girl friend at home when I do business like that. He brought her to the party.

The Sturgis Rally is a biker convention centered around races. It also has a bikini contest. Yawn.

Him bringing his wife is irrelevant.

That doesn’t even make sense. You are comparing women who subject themselves to McCain who offered up his wife.

Except he didn’t offer her up. He made a joke. And he said she should join in the festivities. Considering it’s a whole event, that could mean anything. You. Don’t. Have. A. Point.

And as for you not attacking me:

“All you have done is make him part of your political partisan game. You have tainted his sacrifice and commitment by putting him on this site to feed the f-ed up minds at SAB who think like Kenny and Neiman. ”

Because we honor the troops and call them brave we’re fucked up?

Your stupid ass asked me how it could be used as propeganda and I told you. You then claimed that because I answered you I was fucked up.

Shrug, we support the troops. You don’t. And you slam us. What a prick. Wait til rush hour to play in traffic.

“Have you ever surfed a 20ft wave as heavy as OB (SF) in 54 degree water?”
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In all honesty, I havn’t had that chance.
I have swam in the gulf surf with the swarms of sharks trying to rope one when they got too near the shore.
I’ve exited perfectly good aircraft while in flight…..
I’ve even wrestled large hogs just for the fun of it.
I’m not sure that your listed activity nor mine make either one of us any more or less qualified to make a moral determination.

My g(uy)/f(riend),lover, partner is not a potential First Lady.

Ah! So now it’s potential First Lady! You must have been “confused” a little earlier!

I left this boondoggle yesterday, but I’ve got to admit that it’s hilarious to see “love ‘em and leave ‘em” Hannitized, regular at the strip clubs, ragging on John McCain for simply telling a joke which primarily works on the absurdity of the idea of Cindy McCain competing in that contest….

Hannitized, you want to clean up the moral climate and show respect to women, your work begins at home.

Look…
It’s clear that he was oblivious to the general idea of the “beauty contest”.
Or, more likely, he has no idea about the group that he was campaigning to.

To get a crowd is McCain now having to open for a topless contest?

Beats manufacturing a crowd, like Obama did by lying how many people say him in Berlin. What is with that anyway?

This guy is not ready to represent out (sic) country

Ignore this one, Rob. Wait and see if you get any criticism from guys who like women!

“If you vote for me I will have my wife you her rack.”

Wow, I was wondering why sanni was having such a hissy fit in other threads, now I see why. He has had his morally relativist ass handed to him yet again.

…he decided to disrespect her in public and to the nation.

Wrong again! He’s proud of her. I guess you don’t know anything about real women, either.

I’m just saying that it’s my opinion that he had no idea about the type of contest it was.

Actually, Reb, I think he did. And I think he was making a joke.

And I think Hannitized’s panties are on entirely too tight.

Please provide a statement where Obama lied.

Well, I guess to be accurate, Obama specifically didn’t lie. He had his media people do it.

No criticisms Rob?

This sure isn’t a demonstration of good ol traditional family values.

You assume that I have something against topless beauty contests. Maybe, Hannitized, you should remember that conservatives are individuals. I’m pretty libertarian in my views.

I think it’s pretty damn funny, but not really a commentary on McCain.

To get a crowd is McCain now having to open for a topless contest?

I don’t know that he has to open for a topless concert to get a crowd, but even if that were true Obama’s tied with him in the polls.

What does that tell you?