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Saturday, October 11, 2008


John Fund Takes On ACORN

Fund just addressed the summit here at the Defending the American Dream summit, and he talked about how in danger we are of having our elections stolen.  He noted that while voting is a civil right here in America, what is also a civil right is not having your vote canceled out of diluted by votes from people who are not citizens, are not eligible to vote or who do not even exist at all.

Fund took that argument to Fox News today as well, and got shouted down by agents of Barack Obama’s former employer ACORN:

This is a major problem.  We’ve got voter registration numbers in parts of America that are exceeding the number of actual, eligible voters that live in those areas.  No matter who wins this next election, we cannot afford for the election to be overshadowed by questions about its legitimacy.

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This smarmy bastard is inciting me to rage!!! “The American people don’t care about your personal issues w/ Acorn?” Maybe not, but we sure care about our issues w/ Acorn! Where did they drum up this psychotic brown noser from? He is so dirty after watching him I needed a shower. I swear if I ever came in contact w/ him I would beat him bloody. I have got to quit watching and reading this kind of stuff, I am getting one of those derangement syndromes everyone has now.I could not believe he was making tsk-tsk sounds over and over.

di butler on October 11, 2008 at 11:12 am

Rob, thanks for that fair and balanced video.
It should help dispel the myth that organizations like ACORN and Project Vote are 100% evil and involved in nothing but fraudulent operations.
I also hope it will serve to silence the disgraceful howling of rabid rabble-rousers like di butler above who in no way represent the more reasoned views of America’s decent heartland.

If ACORN and Project Vote have been able to register over a million voters, I find that commendable. I suppose some (many, most take your pick) of those registrations are not valid because of reckless youngsters horsing around instead of doing their job. However not all the registrations are invalid. I also suppose some, however small, were for Republican candidates. Also, we’re talking about registrations, not votes.

What really matters here is that ACORN and Project Vote are dedicated to getting to the polls the many Americans who have been disenfranchised in the past by misinformation or official, even partisan, obstacles making it difficult, sometimes practically impossible, for them to register and vote.

Oswaldo on October 11, 2008 at 12:14 pm

ACORN is one of the most corrupt organizations involved in politics today.

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 12:25 pm

we cannot afford for the election to be overshadowed by questions about its legitimacy

hypocrites. what about the issues with diebold? what about all the legit voters that got scrubbed in florida in 2000? what about the absentee ballots from the dem areas that got tossed and the ones from the GOP areas that got counted beyond the due date? all of the sudden, when it may not be manipulated in your favor, there is a problem. if it is the other way around, you guys shout down the concerns.

hypocrite bullshit. grow up and quit the partisan blinders.


For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 11, 2008 at 12:33 pm

ACORN is one of the most corrupt organizations involved in politics today.

Please back up what you claim with some valid documentation or arguments. It’s easy to say ACORN is rotten or Obama is a Muslim, or whatever other falshoods you like to spout.

Oswaldo on October 11, 2008 at 12:38 pm

falsehoods

Oswaldo on October 11, 2008 at 12:39 pm
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Please back up what you claim with some valid documentation or arguments.

The FBI is working on that!

tothestars2 on October 11, 2008 at 01:19 pm
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Oswald,

As far as this guy is concerned, yup, I am rabid. I hate people like this. so should you. He is making a joke of the whole serious matter of voter fraud. He is rude, condescending and if he a clean conscience, he would find no need to talk over someone and try to keep them for talking. If he is telling the truth let others questions him freely. No one should discard legimate votes in any election for any candidate.Tsk-Tsk.

di butler on October 11, 2008 at 01:22 pm

ACORN is a political organization that uses taxpayer money to engage in what is obviously partisan political activity.

According to one of ACORN’s own reports, their business model is to choose a corporate target, accuse that target of doing something wrong, the target then gives ACORN money to go away, then ACORN chooses another target.

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 01:25 pm

The Clinton Administration found that ACORN was misspending government grants designed to help counsel the poor. Although it seeks minimum wage increases in cities and states across the country—ACORN sued the state of California to get out of paying its own employees the state minimum wage.

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 01:26 pm
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This goon from acorn is well versed on german politics circa 1936.

tothestars2 on October 11, 2008 at 01:29 pm

I loved the “tsk, tsk” he did. Very masculine.

ore information on Acorn:

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/what_does_acorn_do/

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 01:54 pm

Rob, thanks for that fair and balanced video.
It should help dispel the myth that organizations like ACORN and Project Vote are 100% evil and involved in nothing but fraudulent operations.
I also hope it will serve to silence the disgraceful howling of rabid rabble-rousers like di butler above who in no way represent the more reasoned views of America’s decent heartland.

That’s what you call that? A dude shouting down his opposition, calling them names, lying through his teeth and saying his opposition has a personal vendetta, while Fund is quoting Democrats who call acorn corrupt is fair and balanced? You’re kidding right Oswaldo?

Acorn is so corrupt that even liberal Democrats have taken a stand against them. Fund is right, the past four elections Acorn has been investigated for fraud. That it’s happening is unavoidable. People will cut corners. What makes it bad is that Acorn actively blocks investigation into itself. It’s a constant problem.

hypocrite bullshit. grow up and quit the partisan blinders.

John Fund is a middle of the road guy. If it’s bullshit he calls it. His book Stealing Elections is non-partisan and attacks Republicans as well, highlighting several cases of Republican misconduct. But his second chapter is about the lie that the 2000 elections were stolen. Anyone who repeats this falsehood and argues against Fund is the one with the partisan blinders on.

In other words, like always, you’re full of shit Sparkie.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on October 11, 2008 at 02:08 pm

What makes it bad is that Acorn actively blocks investigation into itself. It’s a constant problem.

That’s bullshit. You don’t know you’re talking about. Earlier today, I was watching Fox News interviewing an OHIO election official. The official was asked whether the excessive registrations fabricated by some people working for ACORN were a problem. The official responded “Absolutely not.” There weren’t that many problems found. He also said that those excess registrations would have “absolutely no effect on the outcome of the November election.”

Oswaldo on October 11, 2008 at 02:16 pm

ACORN uses the same shake-down techniques that Jesse Jackson has done for years.

ACORN though is far to the left of Jackson.

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 02:20 pm

Oswaldo - What really matters here is that ACORN and Project Vote are dedicated to getting to the polls the many Americans who have been disenfranchised…

Translation: “forget the fraud, what really matters…”

Hah. You have a sad argument.

likwidshoe on October 11, 2008 at 02:29 pm

Some ACORN highlights:

AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

CO 2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
  2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

FL 2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

MI 2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

MO 2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information. 
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.

NC 2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards. 

NM 2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
  2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

OH 2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.

MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 02:30 pm

More ACORN highlights:

PA 2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

TX 2004 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. “Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia.” 

WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

WI 2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Wing Chun Geologist on October 11, 2008 at 02:31 pm
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FoxNews has got to stop with the “fair and balanced” bullshit. All that piece of shit lawyer did was interrupt and filibuster John Fund.  He should not be invited again.

Claude on October 11, 2008 at 02:56 pm
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Scott is a schmuck.  What a fake.

HG on October 11, 2008 at 02:59 pm

Voter-registration fraud is not voter fraud.

If employees want to boost their performance in the eyes of their boss or simply don’t want to do the work of finding legitimate new voters, they could turn in forged or faulty registration forms.* This is illegal and can wreak havoc on registrar’s offices, but there’s no evidence these imaginary people turn around and vote in Novembe

According to Regina Harris, the Director of Registrations for Lake County, this claim checks out. “It’s certainly true. They did have three batches separated.” she told me this morning. “There was a pile they knew were good, there was some they said had missing info—like no voter ID number or a missing birthday—and another batch they called ‘suspicious.’ “

Why would ACORN submit registration forms it had deemed “suspicious”? Because under most state laws, voter registration organizations are required to turn in all the forms they receive

The Fraud of Fraud

WOOF on October 11, 2008 at 03:19 pm
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Woof, how naive.

HG on October 11, 2008 at 03:30 pm

The other night, Greta Van Susteren of FoxNews interviewed Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner in the hope of getting her to confirm all kinds of voter fraud problems. Here is the transcript:

JENNIFER BRUNNER (D), OHIO SECRETARY OF STATE: There are a number of, basically, allegations that don’t have any evidence to support them. There’s much more conjecture than anything else. We have a great number of procedures in our law that would prevent voter fraud in Ohio. But I think that some people are alarmed because we’ve had record numbers of people register to vote, and it tends to be the argument either voter suppression or voter fraud, depending upon which political party is pushing that issue.

VAN SUSTEREN: So right now, at least—I mean, if you heard anyone come to you and say, Look, we think people are being registered to vote who shouldn’t be registered to vote for whatever reasons, whether it’s multiple times they’ve been registered or registering under false (INAUDIBLE) you have none of that on your plate as secretary of state. And if you did, you’d go out and investigate it.

BRUNNER: That’s correct. I’m a former judge. I handled criminal cases here in Franklin County, and we take those allegations very seriously because those are felonies. We would prosecute. Secretary of state doesn’t itself prosecute. We would refer it either to the attorney general or to a local county prosecutor.

VAN SUSTEREN: I talk to Joe Weasel of Palestra a little while ago and—it’s a student journalism organization and it’s one that FOX News Channel has a financial interest in and has an ongoing relationship for because the students have reported for us and for others. But he said that two of his students were down looking at the voter registration and investigating whether or not there was voter registration fraud. And he said that today, they received a call from your office, from someone who they think was the director of communications, accusing them of shoddy journalism and being a mouthpiece for the Republican Party because they were reporting on voter registration irregularities. Do you know anything about that?

BRUNNER: No, I don’t know anything about that, and I have regular communication with the folks on my communications staff.

VAN SUSTEREN: We’re hearing that people are saying that—I know Palestra is complaining, or at least has made—I shouldn’t have used the word “complaining,” but at least has brought to the attention some voting issues. And I believe—and I know that up in Cuyahoga County that there’s some sort of suggestion that these are just rumblings, which is not evidence. And I’m just trying to make sure, since we’re—you know, we’re under the wire, we’ve only got until November 4, that you would vigilantly investigate anything that came to your office.

BRUNNER: Yes, because in addition to being secretary of state, I am an attorney, I am a former judge, and I’m an officer of the court. And I will seek to uphold the law in all situations.

What—these rumblings that you’re hearing, it’s quite interesting. Our office is being barraged by numerous, numerous, tens, dozens, hundreds of phone calls. In addition, people close to me who do not work in the secretary of state’s office are getting calls from random callers about one issue after another concerning voter fraud, even at 2:00 in the morning.

So there is a concentrated effort going on out there to try to build the noise [FoxNoise]that you’re discussing. And it’s unfortunate because if we can find a specific allegation, we’ll deal with it directly. But again, this creating fear in the minds of law-abiding citizens that somehow their vote is not going to count or that it’s going to be diluted is a huge disservice to the voters of Ohio and to the rest of the country

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In other words, FoxNoise and other rightwingers are trying to stir up problems where there aren’t any, particularly in Ohio.
I already reported above what another Ohio official said today about the false rumors.
SO IT’S TIME TO STOP THE BULLSHIT ABOUT HOW SERIOUS VOTER REGISTRATION IRRGULARITIES IN OHIO ARE, WHICH OHIO ELECTION OFFICIALS SAY WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS. JUST CHECK FOR YOURSELF WHAT THOSE OFFICIALS SAID TODAY AND THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, BOTH TIMES ON FOX NEWS.

Oswaldo on October 11, 2008 at 03:32 pm
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And everyone knows judges and officers of the court never lie. Hah. That Brunner chick is sooo in the bag for Obama. She wouldn’t let poll monitors in because she didn’t want any witnesses. If you have nothing to hide, you should never mind having an audience.

di butler on October 11, 2008 at 07:29 pm

That’s bullshit. You don’t know you’re talking about. Earlier today, I was watching Fox News interviewing an OHIO election official. The official was asked whether the excessive registrations fabricated by some people working for ACORN were a problem. The official responded “Absolutely not.” There weren’t that many problems found. He also said that those excess registrations would have “absolutely no effect on the outcome of the November election.”

Excuse me, fool. We’ve been dealing with ACORN in Missouri and St. Louis for 8 straight years, and have been consistantly arresting and charging them. Even Democrats, such as quoted by Fund, have acknowledged the problems.

You’re simply full of shit.

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=16858&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22383&tx_ttnews[backPid]=16862&cHash=1f111377e3

Read that. It’s the group explaining away the charges. Just a few bad apples and all. Then they flat out LIE and say:

7. The goals of the people orchestrating these attacks are to distract ACORN from helping people vote and to justify massive voter suppression. That’s the real voter fraud; the noise about a small fraction of the forms ACORN has turned in is meant to get the press and public take their eyes off the real threat, while those hurling the charges are stealing people’s right to vote in broad daylight. They have already tried to prevent Ohio from registering voters at its early voting sites. In Michigan, they planned to use foreclosure notices to challenge thousands of voters. And if this year is like past years, they are preparing to use this so-called voter fraud to justify massive challenges to voters in minority precincts on Election Day.

It’s not that there’s fraud. It’s that there’s an effort to screw black people! What bullshit. That’s distraction. In every case in which ACORN has been charged, there have been arrests and prosecutions. People go to jail. And far from being a single problem, it’s widespread. And even Democrats are putting them in jail.

Then read http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009189:

Acorn and its affiliates have pulled some real stunts in recent years. In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained Acorn’s practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier.
“You have to wonder what’s the point of that, if not to overwhelm the system and get phony registrations on the voter rolls,” says Thor Hearne of the American Center for Voting Rights, who also testified at the hearing. “These were Democratic officials saying that they felt their election system in Ohio was under assault by these kinds of efforts to game the system.”

Fund talks about others. That ACORN doesn’t deliberately try to sabotage the vote is either a fantasy of fools or a deliberate lie of sycophants.


It’s all political bullshit. Liberals (and Robert108) lie and spin and twist and obscure and distract and cheat to protect their guys and hurt the opposing team. It’s like wrestling. They distract the ref while their team mate hits you with a chair. There’s no rule they won’t break, no law they won’t skirt, no crime they won’t forgive as long as they can win.

Kenny on October 12, 2008 at 12:18 am

I watched this exchange yesterday morning….

This cat is nothing short of a commie shill for the DNC.

As with most lefties, his tactic were to be evasive, interrupt, shout, insinuate, and deny. It was a page out of the commie play-book….

#$%% should be in handcuffs…..


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Rabid American on October 12, 2008 at 04:53 am
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ACORN would be bad enough if it were solely a MoveOn/George Soros enterprise. The fact that we subsidize this fraud with tax dollars is the most outrageous part!


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Proof on October 12, 2008 at 06:49 am

Another commie tactic…. destroy from within with our own funds… paying for our own execution by our own hands.

Oh, I forgot….. RACIST!!!!!!!

it seems to be the them for the last weeks of the election….. wink


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Rabid American on October 12, 2008 at 07:29 am
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Exactly, Proof, it would be bad enough without being funded by our tax $$. If some of you others like ACORN and want to give them your money, can we set up and opt-out policy for the rest of us? I don’t believe ACORN does a damn thing for “disenfranchized” voters. Anyone can vote if they want to go to the trouble. I don’t even know what they mean by “disenfranchized.” Is this code for homeless people? Felons?

di butler on October 12, 2008 at 02:51 pm
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