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Just another David Koresh.

What kind of insanity is this?

I’ve never heard of such a thing.
This lady should be put out of business for radicallizing children.

This is disgusting.

This country is being torn apart by one group that thinks we are the cause of all the world’s problems, and another that wants to go suicidal against the suicide bombers.

Wow, hysterical much free?

Honestly, do you really think the left/right breakdown is between folks like Becky Fischer and the defeatist Democrats?

Get a grip.

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Just another David Koresh.

David Koresh was murdered by Clinton, along with his followers.  Some threat.
Do these people have any power? Are they beheading anyone? Are they strapping bombs on children?  Are they firing thousands of rockets with ball-bearing warheads into civilian areas?

There is no equivalence here, and it is an insult to our intelligence to imply it.

There is a difference between speech and action; that is what the First Amendment is all about.

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Uh...Robert?  The lady herself, in the video above, says that she’d like her kids to lay down their lives for their religion like the folks in Palestine do.

I find that very disturbing.

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robert108,

They are brainwashing children just like the Soviets and Nazis.

Kids in cammo on a stage is not far from Brownshirts and Hitler’s Youth.

These folks drive me nuts.  These kids are taught to be Jesus Robots.

I know that Radical Islam is dangerous and evil.  But we still need to teach tolerance.  These sort of camps and the off the map Evangelical crap that is spreading teaches consistently that there is no room for dialogue on issues like Abortion, Religious tolerance, the role of Church and State, the placement of “Under God” in the pledge, and in posting the Ten Commandments in every courthouse.  These folks are using government to spread their version of religion and state it up front.  And it just inflames the ACLU. 

I have no love for the ACLU at all, but given the way folks like this are pushing their Christian Faith, you have to expect that the Athiests and Christian bashers out there will unite and fight to destroy every religious institution.  It is this radical and self righteous version of Christianity that fails to hear that many of these issues are more complex than a 2,000 year old manuscript called the Bible has answers for.  It requires the ability to think and reason (which these camps don’t teach), not the ability to tune in to Falwell or the 700 Club and spout the same tired rhetoric.

They are brainwashing children just like the Soviets and Nazis.

Kids in cammo on a stage is not far from Brownshirts and Hitler’s Youth.

Oh wow Free, c’mon.  While I find what’s going on in this camp disturbing, let’s not go off the deep end with the Nazi comparisons.  I didn’t hear anyone in the clip calling for genocide.

Quit with the knee-jerk reactions and think before you type.

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I didn’t hear anyone in the clip calling for genocide.

Laying down their lives?  Close enough for me.

Laying down their lives=suicide.

Killing a bunch of other people because of their race/culture=genocide.

See the difference?

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What these people do to those kids is sick in a snuff film sort of way.

The lady herself, in the video above, says that she’d like her kids to lay down their lives for their religion like the folks in Palestine do.

Four points:

1) It sounds to me like she is speaking of the CHRISTIANS in Pakistan, Palestine, and Israel, not “the folks” as though to infer Islamists.  Those Christians that proclaim their faith in the midst of sure death in those countries (and thus laying down their lives) are true heros of the faith and ought to be held up.

2) You’d agree that there is a very big difference between laying down ones life and taking anothers.  No one should have a problem with someone being willing to lay down one’s life for faith, when you start killing others for that faith is where you cross the line.

3) The Bible speaks much about being a warrior, warfare, the armour of God, etc… but it is all in a SPIRITUAL context.  From that breif segment, the impression is that these kids, and leaders, are talking in a PHYSICAL context.  I’d like to know which they are speaking about.

4) “Pastor” Becky Fisher?  Apparently they don’t read the Bible at this camp…

Laying down their lives=suicide.

Killing a bunch of other people because of their race/culture=genocide.

See the difference?

No.

Both end in the death of the “believer.”

These kids aren’t old enough to know what to believe in.

Born-again doesn’t mean when your 6 years old.

Geez, Free… are you smoking something?  You are simpley batty!

Free… are you smoking something?

No, but these adults that abuse children like this are.

This is nothing less than child abuse.

Rob: Are they forming sleeper cells?  No, they are putting out their stuff on video.  You might not like it, and I may not like it, but they have the right to do that in this country.  They aren’t calling for the overthrow of the govt, just an equal(and disgusting) commitment to their religion as the Islamofascists have to theirs.  This paranoia about Christianity is getting pretty far-fetched, IMO.  There is no valid comparison between these people and the terrorists.
Maybe if regular people would stand up to terrorism instead of wimping out, extremists like these wouldn’t feel the need to preach their stuff. While I don’t agree with them, I feel their pain.  I have heard similar stuff from non-radical friends.  They think we have “lost it” as a nation, and won’t stand up and fight off either the illegal immigrant invasion or the one from Islam.  I hope they’re wrong.

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Both end in the death of the “believer.”

Wrong again.  Genocide ends in the death of the non-believers.

You really don’t know the difference?

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Spaghetti, talk of laying down one’s life for religion smacks disturbingly of martyrdom to this outside observer.

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You might not like it, and I may not like it, but they have the right to do that in this country.

Forcing this hogwash down the throats of children has nothing to do with freedom.

Freedom is amongst consenting adults that understand what is going on.

These are mindcontrol subjects.
This is the opposite of what America is about.

I’m sorry, I can’t agree that these adults have the right to do this to children.

This is nothing less than child abuse.

If you think so, take action; call CPS.

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Rob: Are they forming sleeper cells? No, they are putting out their stuff on video. You might not like it, and I may not like it, but they have the right to do that in this country.

Robert, for crying out loud I wasn’t saying that the group should be closed down.  I was just saying that what was portrayed in the video made me uncomfortable.

I was offering criticism, not calling for censorship.  Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions.

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I am not trying to engage in hyperbole here, but I find this a form of child abuse. I grew up on farm somewhat close to Devils Lake, I hadn’t heard of this. I will have to ask my parents about it.

Freedom is amongst consenting adults that understand what is going on.

Does freedom not extend to passing our beliefs on to our children?  Are you suggesting that I wait until my little girl is an adult before telling her my beliefs about capitalism and limited government?

Honestly, Free, how much caffeine have you had tonight?  You’re coming off like a deranged, reactionary twit.

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Forcing this hogwash down the throats of children has nothing to do with freedom.

You don’t know anything of the kind.  Their parents are undoubtedly involved, and they should have the final say on what their children are taught.  If I had to choose between being in a high school class where they are taught 9/11 conspiracy theories or that Jews are evil and deserve to die and this, I would have a very hard time choosing which is worse.
The difference is, this is just one group, and the leftie indoctrination in our schools goes on all over the country. If you want this to end, end it all, not just what one small group is doing.  Then there are the mosques…

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I now see Free already pointed that out, I agree.

Rob: It makes me uncomfortable, too.

I was offering criticism, not calling for censorship. Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions.

I guess I got the wrong impression.  It sounded like a call to action from you.

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I am not trying to engage in hyperbole here, but I find this a form of child abuse.

I think that’s over the top based on just the short bit of film.

But as robert says, if you think this is child abuse feel free to call child protection services.  I think they’d probably laugh at you though.

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When she spoke of people “laying down their lives” she is not talking about taking up arms against islamists but having such a deep faith that they will dedicate their lives to Christ and if they were faced with living in denile of the Lord or Death they would choose Death. That is essentially the calling of all Christians.  I believe that.  In giving your life to save others you are showing the ultimate sign of love. 

Now I am not necessarily a promoter of this type of “Camp” but I do believe it is important for Children and Adults to be educated on the importantance of knowing and loving Christ with your entire being. 

Really this type of Camp makes me uncomfortable because they are pushing politcal issues that are important but need to be separated from understanding who the person of Christ is and how we live like him. 

Of Course, I am a Catholic and my beliefs stress understanding through reason not simply carrying blind faith.

graeme: If you really believe that, call CPS.

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Does freedom not extend to passing our beliefs on to our children?

Not like this, no.

Let them find their own way.

Their parents are undoubtedly involved, and they should have the final say on what their children are taught.

Their parents should be sent to the mental asylum in Jamestown.

Then there are the mosques…

That’s your argument? They do it too.

Weak.  And unprincipled.

Rob: I do see that this post has unleashed a lot of unhinged anti-Christian paranoia. I don’t that same passion in dealing with the real terrorists, and their very real violent practices.  I understand that everyone would like the Christians to simply stay out of sight, but we are entitled to stand up and be counted at least as much as the terrorists.  I like the way Joe Miller put it, btw.  Not my cup of tea, but very valid.  Of course, if you think “Onward Christian Soldiers” is a war song, maybe the paranoia has struck too deep.

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Of course, if you think “Onward Christian Soldiers” is a war song, maybe the paranoia has struck too deep.

Robert you make a very good point.  Actually I have sang that song and someone over heard me and reacted as if I was some sort of crazy calling for the next crusade!  Ahh to live in ignorance.

I do see that this post has unleashed a lot of unhinged anti-Christian paranoia.

Paranoia? No, more like shame.

Shame that something like this goes on in my state.

Shame that these people are lumped in with me under the umbrella of Christianity.

I understand that everyone would like the Christians to simply stay out of sight, but we are entitled to stand up and be counted at least as much as the terrorists.

Quit pushing it on everyone. 
Let people discover Jesus for themselves.
Why is that such a bad thing?

Not like this, no.

Let them find their own way.

So, you’re the commissar now?  Sounds like they are finding their own way, but it doesn’t agree with what you think their way should be.  Now opens the door to totalitarianism.

Their parents should be sent to the mental asylum in Jamestown.

Those who don’t follow your way shall be imprisoned.  That’s the next step, after imposing your ideology.  Very good, commissar.

Just calling on you to be consistent.  You are much more excited about this excuse to be anti_Christian than anything else I have ever heard you preach against.  Notice I didn’t say it made anything OK.

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Robert, it could well be that I’m not well-versed on the terminology Christians use in their sermons and teachings these days and that is why the footage in this video disturbs me.

Still, I had always associated Christian teachings with peace.  Turn the other cheek type stuff, not kids dressed up as soldiers, calling themselves warriors and talking about laying down their lives.  If these kids are “soldiers of God” then who are they fighting against?  Non-believers?

That troubles me in a profound way.

Regardless, I’m going to try and get Fischer on SAB’ers talk radio this week and see if we can’t clear some of this stuff up.  If she doesn’t want to do that I’ll see if I can at least ask her a few questions as this obviously seems like a hot topic for a lot of people.

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This is old news.  I knew about Jesus Camp when it debuting at the Tribeca Film Festival in April.  Thanks to the Rachel Maddow show on Air America Radio.  They aren’t talking about Christians in Pakistan and Palestine.  The “pastor” is teaching these children to lay down their lives for Christianity.  Sort of like the middle ages and the crusades.  She also is instructing them to convert those children that don’t believe in Jesus Christ.  If this isn’t radical, please tell me what is.

Everybody watch the Anti-Christian comments thats how the Reformation started and turned into a blood bath.

Free: I guess you missed my argument.  It was that this is not the same as what the terrorists do, that their parents apparently feel OK about this, and that they have the Free Speech right to say this stuff.  They don’t have a right to subvert our govt or use “conversion by the sword” to convert people, and they aren’t doing that.  I gave numerous examples of the differences between these people and the terrorists you are trying to equate them to.
Did you miss all that?
The fact that you don’t protest the mosques was not my argument for anything, just a note about your hypocrisy here.

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Brent, first let me say welcome to a fellow North Dakotan.  Not sure if you’ve commented here before or not, but I always like to say hi to my ND readers.

This is the first I’ve heard of this movie, or even Fischer’s group.  I aim to find out more about what’s going on with it, if I can.

Hope you keep reading SA.

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"Warriors of the Faith” thats what she means not warriors as to engage in an actual war.  They are to go out and evangilize. 

Remember it says in the bible where we are to go out and spread the word.  It is not extreme to try and bring some one to Christ.  That is your duty as a Christian.

Is it not absurd to believe in something and then not express why you believe that.  Would you not desire more to think like you.

Rob:

If these kids are “soldiers of God” then who are they fighting against? Non-believers?

Those who would destroy us.  This isn’t a pre-emptive war.  Most “militant” Christians(and I am not one), preach a defensive war at best.  I find this post interesting in how it has called out the anti-Christian paranoia in so many commenters.  I think they are dangerous; not as dangerous as the Islamofascists, but dangerous enough to suppress Christianity in their paranoia.  More violence is done out of fear than is done out of anger, and the really murderous violence is almost always about fear.
Even the Crusades were for the purpose of defending the Holy Land from the Muslims who invaded it. 
Once again, find me the teaching of conversion by violence, and I might agree with you; lacking that, it’s just anti-Christian paranoia.

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The fact that you don’t protest the mosques was not my argument for anything, just a note about your hypocrisy here.

No one is talking about the effin Muslims. 

Why are you trying to create some moral equivalency to what the Muslims do?

That sort of moral relativism is everything that we are again...maybe I better start questioning your conservatism, hmmm?

Rob,

Thanks.  I’m going to link to you on by blog.  I’m going to try and find the interview the Rachel Maddow had on this camp.  If I can find it, I’ll get it to you.  I might be a Democrat, but I love reading about different viewpoints than my own.

If these kids are “soldiers of God” then who are they fighting against? Non-believers?

Excellent question Rob.

What sort of Christian Jihad are this kids going to war with?

Free:

Why are you trying to create some moral equivalency to what the Muslims do?

I must conclude that you really don’t read anything; you just react emotionally to one or two words.  I have made several comments about how there is no equivalence here.  The terrorist Muslims are in a different(and far worse) dimension, and have detailed that argument.  If you missed it, don’t blame me.  You are really acting nutty tonight, more than usual.

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What sort of Christian Jihad are this kids going to war with?

There is no “Christian Jihad”.  Who are you really?  Rosie O’Donnell?

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Brent, I’ve already got you blogrolled and on my reading list.  We ND bloggers gotta stick together.  All viewpoints are welcome on Say Anything, but since it is politics on the internet things do get a little heated (as you can already see from this thread).  We all get a little hot under the collar, but there aren’t many regulars here on SA that I wouldn’t sit down for a beer with.

Joe,

“Warriors of the Faith” thats what she means not warriors as to engage in an actual war. They are to go out and evangilize.

Remember it says in the bible where we are to go out and spread the word. It is not extreme to try and bring some one to Christ. That is your duty as a Christian.

I understand that, but is the warrior/soldier/lay down your life stuff really necessary?  I think it promotes a militant frame of mind that, frankly, can be dangerous.

Robert,

Once again, find me the teaching of conversion by violence, and I might agree with you; lacking that, it’s just anti-Christian paranoia.

I think calling kids “soldiers of god” comes dangerously close to teaching conversion by violence.  Soldiers do violence.  I know this lady probably isn’t teaching these kids to threaten non-believers, but I find the terminology she’s using to be disturbing.

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You are really acting nutty tonight, more than usual.

Yeah, right, and these people doing this to kids are normal? 

If that’s normal put me in a straight jacket.

Joe:

“Warriors of the Faith” thats what she means not warriors as to engage in an actual war. They are to go out and evangilize.

Of course you’re right, but there are those so gripped by anti-Christian fear that they equate these people with the Muslims who say the same thing. 

What they fail to notice is that the terrorists are lying, in that they really want to kill and/or subjugate us, but the Christians are telling the truth.  Big difference.  People in fear can’t think.

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Free, the rest of us are discussing this and somewhat disagreeing with one another rationally.  You’re carrying on like an excited child with too much Mountain Dew in his system.

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Rob asked:

If these kids are “soldiers of God” then who are they fighting against? Non-believers?

I then meant to say:

What sort of Christian Jihad are this kids going to war in (not with)?

Robert, I have no fear of Christians.  I find the warrior/soldier/lay down your life stuff to be both disturbing and possibly dangerous.

I don’t react that way out of an anti-Christian bias.  I am, at worst, ambivalent toward Christians and frankly spend a lot of time on this blog defending Christianity from the sort of knee-jerk anti-Christian types you apparently think I am.

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If that’s normal put me in a straight jacket.

There are many degrees between nutty and normal.  I never said these people are normal; if you had read any of my comments, and had been able to think clearly, you would know that. I consider you nuttier than they are, but not as nutty as the terrorists.
As far as putting you in a straightjacket...isn’t that really what you want to do to everyone who doesn’t agree with you?

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The word “Hezbollah” means “Army of God” in Arabic.

I bet the members call themselves “Soldiers of God.”

Soldiers goto Battle.

End of story.

Rob,

email me and I will send the audio that I have found so far.  Of course, it’s from a Democratic point of view.

Rob: I don’t think that of you at all.  As a matter of fact, I’m glad you posted this, because it has brought the anti-Christian crazies out of the woodwork for us all to see.  When that guy on Fox stated that their was a campaign against Christmas, he was ridiculed.  I think we can see that he was more correct than anyone thought.  The depth of anti-Christian fear was even surprising to me, and I have seen a lot of it.
One slightly off center Christian woman gives a camp for a few kids, and the nuts try to make a “Christian Jihad” out of it, when there is a real jihad with real loss of life going on in the world.  How out of it can they be?
As far as the words are concerned, I realized, as I wrote to Joe, that the real jihadists say the same things, but they are lying.  The fact that this woman and her camp aren’t responsible for any killings, rapes, mutilations or assassinations might give someone a clue, if they could just calm down and start thinking again.

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End of story.

Not even close to any story.  When you stop quivering in fear of the “Christian Jihadists"(a woman and a few children), you might want to remember to be ashamed for the hate you are preaching in your ignorance.  I consider you and those like you to be far more dangerous than this women and her students.

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brent: IMO, Rachel Maddow is a far-left loonie.

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When that guy on Fox stated that their was a campaign against Christmas, he was ridiculed.

I grew up something called The Worldwide Church of God till I was 12.

They are as Christian as anyone yet they don’t celebrate Christmas, or Easter, or eat ham even.

When I was a kid I was singled out for that. 

But that was mild compared to this group here.

Ok,

You guys are reacting like the politically correct Liberal media.  By taking to task the use of terms like Warrior/soldier.

The Church teaches that there are stages of existence.  The Church Militant, The Church Suffering, and The Church Victorious.  Those on earth are engaged in a struggle (a battle if you will) to get in to heaven.  The souls of Purgatory are suffering a penence and the souls of Heaven are in union with god. 

Please understand that I would not condone this camp and would not send my child there (if I had one).

Free:

But that was mild compared to this group here.

It’s a woman and a few children, exercising their Constitutional right to the free exercise of their religion.  Get a grip.

Your unhinged fear and anger are a far greater menace, as you would deprive them of their Constitutional rights out of your fear.  Shame on you!

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It’s a woman and a few children, exercising their Constitutional right to the free exercise of their religion.

It’s a woman on a powertrip playing god with these kid’s minds.

It’s a woman on a powertrip playing god with these kid’s minds.

Yes, commissar, and death to anyone who thinks otherwise, eh?  You seem to be projecting your unresolved childhood issues on these people.  Get a grip.  It sounds like you are the one on a power trip playing God with our minds.  Shame on you!

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Yes, commissar, and death to anyone who thinks otherwise, eh?

Your the nut.

Cause I dont think she has the right to do this I must want her to die right?

To quote Rob’s favorite word.  Moron.

Robert 108:

IMHO Rush Limbaugh is a loudmouth who gets preferential tratment from law enforcement and is off his right-leaning chariot along with Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity.  However, if they have a point that I can agree with, I don’t blow them off.  I listen and see if they are right and I am wrong.  I know, a novel concept.  Agreeing with somebody from a different point of view.  If you don’t know what she said, how do you know if she was off-base with what she said?

Free: Excuse my hyperbole; you just wanted them locked up in a mental institution.  My bad.
Of course, that is censorship, but no matter; you’re alright, eh?
You seem to be so comfortable dictating what others should think and believe.  Heard of the Constitution, or do you consider it a “living document” you can bend to any shape to serve your anti-Christian agenda?

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The Feast Day of St. Januarius is today Tuesday, Sept. 19th.  His story is kind of fitting to the conversation.
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Brent: I say her a lot on “The Situation” with Tucker Carlson; hardly a “right-wing” show.  While I think she’s cute, in a lesbian sort of way, I’m sure she’s a lot more radical on so-called “Air America”.
You might be more convincing in your attempt to portray yourself as “broad-minded” if you didn’t refer to Conservatives as being on a “right-leaning chariot”, though.  They represent the founding principles of this country, while the Dems and the lefties want collectivism and central control, and to use the economic system to implement social policy.  Not the founding principles of this country.
The only “preferential treatment” Rush got from law enforcement was a baseless prosecution and lots of publicity, as compared to leftie celebrities with far worse drug problems, like the Kennedys, for instance.  Contrast his treatment with that of Patrick Kennedy, who was breaking several laws, and has been in and out of rehab for about twenty years.  The press made him out to be some sort of hero, and the police really did give him preferential treatment by not giving him a sobriety test at the scene, even though he ran into something with his car.

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That should have been “I saw her a lot...”

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Of course, that is censorship, but no matter; you’re alright, eh?

Censorship of what?

Speak all you want, you have no right to be heard.

Heard of the Constitution, or do you consider it a “living document” you can bend to any shape to serve your anti-Christian agenda?

What the hell does that have to do with this?

This is an issue of common sense.  These kids don’t know what they are doing, and for what, so some other people can tell themselves at night that they are spreading God’s word?

The God I know of does not spread his word by the sword or by mind control.

Ii will give the church I grew up in one thing cause it made sense - they didn’t baptist people when they are babies.

Babies and Children are innocent, they have no sins to be washed away.

Let these kids be kids.

Let them get into trouble. 
Let them put tacks on the teachers chair.
Let them learn what the world is about.
Let them play violent video games.
Let them get caught with the nudie magizine.
For God’s sake, let them grow up.

Between BS like this, and driving kids into the ground with school, and sports, and pressue of all sorts, it is no one they shoot up the schools.

There is enough in this world for adults to worry about, there is no need to drag these kids into the mess.

Robert 108,

Yeah.  You are right.  It’s only Democrats trying to change the founding principals that America was founded on.  Plus, I didn’t say all conservatives are on a right-wing chariot only those 3 blowhards.  Hell, I’ll vote for Gov. Hoeven in the next election that he runs.  Constitution as a living document?  No, but the Right is just as bad as the Left in shaping it.  Money as free speech?  Please.
I also don’t think Free is Anti-Christian.  He just has a different point of view.

As for this subject, I am concerned about this camp.  I believe in freedom of religion.  However, I don’t need you to try and convert me to catholicism.  I am fine with my religious decisions, and I would hope that other people would respect that.  It doesn’t sound like that will happen with these soldiers/warriors.

The God I know of does not spread his word by the sword or by mind control.

Fortunately, the Constitution defends our right to worship God in the way we want, not the way you prescribe.

The is the Constitutional issue here; it’s called freedom of religion, and it is contained in the First Amendment, and I quote: “Congress(or Free) shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

I emphasized the parts relevant to your attacks on this woman and those children(and their parents, by extension).

You don’t like what is going on there(or what you may think is going on there; your comprehension isn’t working very well tonight, it seems).  Tough shite.  You are always touting freedom, but you would deny them the freedom to practice their religion as they see fit, a right guaranteed by our Constitution.

You aren’t making a reasoned disagreement, you are spouting hate and fear.

These aren’t the kids “shooting up the schools”, btw; that’s just something you made up.  As I remember, Dylan and Kleebold were atheists, and proud of it.  As far as I know, no Christian has ever shot up anything in God’s Name, but the Islamofascists are at it 24/7.  Get a grip!

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Brent: I am not a Catholic, and I have absolutely no desire to convert you in any way.  You made that up.
I know you lefties would like to take away the free speech rights of conservative radio, and you may yet succeed(I hope not; you already have all the major newspapers and all but one of the TV networks), but that just illustrates your intolerance for a diversity of opinion, and your desire for central control.
BTW, name one founding principle that Conservatives don’t support, and one that lefties do support(for everyone, not just their favored groups).

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As far as I know, no Christian has ever shot up anything in God’s Name, but the Islamofascists are at it 24/7.

What?  What about the Irish/British wars of the 80’s between Catholics and Protestants?  What about Rwanda?  Christians from Europe were advocating genocide to their missionaries there!  The Lord’s name has been used throughout history with some bad things.  All religions have been used to excuse things that were wrong.

Brent: I notice that you didn’t make any counter-argument in favor of Rachel Maddow; instead, you did a “hit-back” on people you don’t like.  I went along with it, because what you wrote was so wrong, especially about Rush.  I notice you made no counter argument to the facts about Rush, either.  Neither did you comment on the real “preferential treatment” given to Patrick Kennedy.  Just letting you know I noticed your strategy for not dealing with the issues, but continuing to change the subject.
Also, you state that “the Right” is trying to shape the Constitution.  Example(s) please.
BTW, O’Reilly is no conservative.  You can have him.  Trying to include him with Rush and Sean is obscene.

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Brent,

Welcome to Say Anything, but if you actually do say anything, you will likely be called a moron or a commisar or something stupid like that and then be told your against free speech.

I question why I come here at all. 

I may resign soon.

Brent:

What? What about the Irish/British wars of the 80’s between Catholics and Protestants?

Oh, drat!  I thought you were going to catch me up on the abortion clinic shooting, or two.  You change from this country to another fued unrelated to anything to do with the Jesus Camp.  Nice try, though. 

The Irish/British wars were about territory, with an overlay of religion, but are irrelevant to this discussion.  If you want to compare the abortion clinic shootings with Islamofascism, though, go right ahead.  A warning: you will run out of material very quickly.

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Obama: more experienced than Bristol Palin

Yes, I resign my commenterhood.

g’nite all. 

Have a good time calling people creative names like stupid, idiot, and moron.

Free: You poor thing. Sniff, sniff.  You want to spew your fear and hate and not get any blowback.  No such luck.  You are playing with the big boys now.

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comments are more interesting then a post itself… interesting how far fetched and how much fury the subject is promoting…

in my opinion these “Born-again” a little off the subject, personaly I would prohibit involvement into religion to everyone before certain age. Today no medival time and religion propagation is not the only source of information like it was back then, there is a CNN for instance...you know etc. So putting people , [yuong people especially] into the religeous mind-frame, it is like predisposing them to be ignorant and mind set close to the life opportunities, perspetives and potential, simple not to be prone to the reality , much less adaptive and not to be able to percieve and react to the basic issues of growing into a person. As the result we see these outcomes, as an example.

But what most important there is inherent problem of “Born-again” is for the adult people who rediscovered the “true meaningof life” , the concious choice to live and act differently. As for these examples it is a propagada and brainwash- certainly, much like Soviets in the past, and Musleems of today in Arab countries, but I would not venture any further like some of the commenters suggested. It is not healthy and desctructive mentaly - Definatly.

Rob: Wasn’t saying you specifically were going to try and convert me.  What I was trying to say is that if I don’t want to become a catholic, anybody that wants to try to convert me needs to stay away.  I believe what I believe.  Somebody doesn’t need to tell me that I have to convert.

Hell, if a station wants Rush Limbaugh on it 24 hrs. a day, let them.  They should have all the freedoms that we allow.  If there is a TV station that wants 24 hours of Sean Hannity, god bless them.  Go get it.  However, if you want to say that all the media is liberal, then I think you must re-examine what you think.  I hate CNN, because I think they are biased Left.  I hate FOX, because I know they are biased Right.  I watch MSNBC, because I think they try to be in the middle somewhere.  Don’t tell me that it’s liberal, because I won’t be able to agree with you.  Chris Matthews isn’t Liberal.  Joe Scarborough isn’t Liberal.  Tucker Carlson isn’t Liberal.  Keith Olbermann is Liberal.  1 out of 4.  Hmmmm.  Shout it with me:  Liberal network!

Irrelevant?  IReland/Sitish battles.  You didn’t specify that you wanted American examples.  You said:
As far as I know, no Christian has ever shot up anything in God’s Name, but the Islamofascists are at it 24/7.

As far as I know, no American Islamists have committed acts of terror.  Jose Padilla?  please.  The Miami five?  They couldn’t even tie their shoes.  Tell me an American Islamist that has committed acts of terror against the US.

I just said that if Jesus Camp wants to make 5 and 6 year olds Christian Warriors that pray to George Bush, I think that they deserve a little scrutiny.

Guys Can I ask you a question. Not many people had a problem with Americans going into Afganistan because we believed that you had a valid reason to do so. Then came Iraq because at that time Bush gave the impression that Saddam was involved with Al Qaeida...( thats what we were told ) The world is having grave doubts especially since George admitted recently that they had nothing to do with 911. So why are they still there? Now, Bush is gearing up for Iran… Does the rest of the world not count? We object!!

After Iran will it then be Syria? The reason is supposingly a war on terror… The question is this… How may people believe this? Cheers

Count one for non-believer in The War on Terror rational, annsie.

Glad to hear it Brent. Just so you guys know.. Europeans are beginning to see Americans as a terrorists… You are going into countries an occupying them and thousands of innocents are being killed. I really like American people in fact, I married one earlier this year but I have to say your govenment are putting your people in danger from the rest of the world. Your media seems to supress what the rest of the world thinks on these issues. Get your government to stop before its too late..

Europeans are beginning to see Americans as a terrorists...

What a world I live in! Where those who go after Islamic theocracies hell bent on getting WMDs are the terrorists. Where those who go after people like Hussein and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are “the danger” in the world.

Europeans are stuck in a Chamberlain sense of mind. Chamberlain was wrong. Europeans are wrong.

After Iran will it then be Syria? The reason is supposingly a war on terror… The question is this… How may people believe this? Cheers

Oh yes, by all means, the psychotic mullahs in Iran, and the dictator Bashar Assad in Syria must be protected and coddled at all costs!

Otherwise, who knows, something terrible might happen like democracy breaking out there or something awful like that.

A bunch of lunatics. Their basic understanding of higher education is “watching Jerry Springer”

These idiots are out for sensationalized headlines and don’t give a shit what damage they do to the reputations of real Christians who gentley and quietly go about their daily lives.

Acts 5

Gamaliel’s Advice
35 He said to them, “Men of Israel, ….not long ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about 400 men rallied to him.

He was killed, and all his partisans were dispersed and came to nothing.

37 After this man, Judas the Galilean rose up in the days of the census and attracted a following. That man also perished, and all his partisans were scattered.

38 And now, I tell you……. if this plan or this work is of men, it will be overthrown

Everybody watch the Anti-Christian comments --thats how the Reformation started and turned into a blood bath.
Joe Miller on September 19, 2006 at 12:55 AM

I got nes for ya Joe, to speak out against these preposterous pandering proselytizers sure as hell ain’t “anti-christian!!”

I got nes for ya Joe, to speak out against these preposterous pandering proselytizers sure as hell ain’t “anti-christian!!”
Bezu Fache on September 19, 2006 at 6:11 AM

These bozo’s are about as representative of Christians as

“The Farting Preacher Is”

Robert Tilton

I watch MSNBC, because I think they try to be in the middle somewhere. Don’t tell me that it’s liberal, because I won’t be able to agree with you. Chris M