The magic prayer is the common theme among self-help Evangelical types. Fits almost perfectly with the Prosperity Gospel.

I wouldn’t mind if Justin just told the truth that he is biased against Dobson and all Evangelicals, and so he looks only for information he can use against them, to satisfy his agenda. Instead, he pretends objectivity, which is what I object to. I don’t agree with most of what Dobson says, beyond the basic precepts of Christianity, but I think people like Justin are out to make sure that White, Christian, Conservative men have fewer free speech rights as the rest of America, and that’s wrong.

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IT IS MY OPINION THAT… people like Justin are out to make sure that White, Christian, Conservative men have fewer free speech rights as the rest of America, and that’s wrong.

Do you have any idea of what Justin actually does and says on a daily basis? Or do you just know what Neiman cherry-picks or lies about in order to make him look silly or evil?

On top of that, you continually claim to speak for [Justin]; you don’t say that you are expressing your opinion of what his views are, from incomplete information, you assert that you absolutely know what he believes and wants. This is certainly arrogance, at least.

Neiman has this to say though:

Justin’s every word in virtualy every post is hate filled, mostly hateful of Christ and the Church, and of anyone not agreeing with his nonsensical, lunatic, extreme Left Wing ravings. So, you deliberately lied about me in the post above. I have even tried to apologize to you and engage you in respectful debate, but you are so in love or lust with Justin that defending him is your most important goal and so you keep up your anger and hate for anyone not sharing your intimate ‘feelings’ for him.

Yep, you guys can hate on me all you want, but I say one word about Douchebag “Christian” Dr. Dobson, and I am an arrogant piece of trash. The guy is an asshat and if I point out that he is an asshat and does not speak for what Christ would want and certainly doesn’t speak for most Christians (me included).

You have no more right to call me a Christ hating lunatic left winger than Dobson does to challenge Fred Thompson’s beliefs. A. I am a Christian. B. I am a Republican who donates generously to the several campaigns including JD Hayworth and John Kyle (both Arizonans) who are among the most conservative members of Congress and the Senate. C. I have consistently spoken out in support of states’ rights in Roe as well as in the SD Abortion amendment and also spoken of states rights repeatedly regarding gay marriage. D. I continually post and or speak out about freedom of speech, religion, states rights, etc. E. I have never endorsed government spending for social programs or higher taxes.

Lunatic Left Wing anti-Christian like Zsa Zsa. It is assholes like you two that are the reason why folks hate Republicans. It is your hypocrisy and litmus tests as well as closed minded metality of if you don’t follow our version of Christ and government, we attack your faith and values and attempt to discredit you. It is why people hate Christians. Lack of compassion and love. Big on fire and brimstone and scorn and ridicule, but short on love of thy neighbor. And Dobson comes out and starts telling people who is a Christian and who is not, and I am the bad guy for saying I A. Don’t like it, B. Don’t think it is correct, let alone right to say, and C. Don’t like the vision that Dobson has for the Republican Party in his Biblical Worldview picture of how things should be. You start telling me that I am attacking Dobson by simply pointing out what he says and wants in his own words.

Nixon is 100% correct.

History lesson for Neiman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_Order_(Mormonism)

Missouri Executive Order 44[1] also known as The “Extermination Order” (alt. Exterminating Order) in Latter Day Saint history was an executive order issued on October 27, 1838 by Missouri governor Lilburn Boggs. [1] The order was in response to what Boggs termed “open and avowed defiance of the laws, and of having made war upon the people of this State … the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace–their outrages are beyond all description.” The order was not formally rescinded until 1976.[2]

The law made it legal to kill anyone who belonged to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the state of Missouri. At least 60 Mormons were killed and dozens of women and girls raped, and countless others died from exposure in 1838 under the executive order and resulting forced evacuation from the state (See History of the Church Volume III, preface).

All in the name of good Christian values against “non-Christian” Mormons.

Troy: Without desiring to insult you, I believe you are grossly ignorant about this subject:

So, Allen? In the hundreds of hours of one on one fellowship with Fred you came to the conclusion he is not a Christian? Really?

Try reading the bible

Maybe you should read the part about casting judgement on others.

Anyway, Dobson is hardly the voice for Christianity. He certainly doesn’t speak for us Catholics and doubt that he represents any of the other major sects as well.

Something else that bothers me is that kids cannot sing Christmas carols in public schools & have Christmas plays. I lived that when I was in school.

HG: I Just don’t give a shit anymore! To hell with it!

Sarcasm and antogonism are not exclusive the one of the other. Sarcasm is often employed by the antagonist. My bad was not declaring the nature of your atagonism.

I cannot be responsible for your reactions, your hostility and resulting ill will because of my debating style or words.

You seem intent on shooting the messenger in this discussion. Such is not a hostile accusation, rather a characterization based largely upon the comments below, and a pattern of behavior on SAB.

I have no problem admitting I may have taken one of your comments out of context as evidenced by my reaction, but that is the only comment where anything resembling defensive, is evident. Compare that with your comments below.

Where you imply that my confidence in a biblical axiom is, well, here it is:

They call me preachy and judgmental and self-righteous and then you make it clear it is your way or the highway as regards Salvation.

The following was offered after I clearly denied it was the case:

But, I never knew it meant you could not get saved and were not saved as long as you are guilty.

Another sarcastic remark:

I would love to hear more, as apparently 99.999% of those calling themselves believers today have got it wrong and are still dead in their sins!

Here is where you took the liberty to speak for me:

So, idiots like Billy Graham calling people forward to repent and through prayer (conversation with God) accept His Salvation by receiving Jersus as their savior and Lord are theologically wrong and decieving others?

Here is where you apparantly do what you accuse me of — reacting hostily:

I am getting a bit tired in this blog where so many of the peple choose to tell someone what they should say and how they should say it, or they will join with others to continually attack that person.

Here you acknowledge the antagonism:

However, I wanted to challenge you because I felt your rebuke of Chief when he mentioned a prayer of repentence would offend him without just cause.

The tone wasn’t even close to offensive, nor was it intended to give offense.
Hardly a rebuke, more like mild admonition. Go back and read for the tone of my comment to Chief.

Now on to the matter at hand:

We are probably much closer theologically speaking on salvation by Grace alone through faith alone than you assume.

I don’t doubt that a bit — hence my attempt to correct the practice not the soteriology.

Nieman, there are many times we will be corrected, as you well know. How we respond to correction distinguishes the foolish from the wise. I did not engage in this discussion to make you look foolish, but your persistence in inferring things I didn’t say and ignoring things I did has forced me to point out your error. Apart from the freindly jabs and bantering, I hope our future discussions will be on the merit of the arguments presented.

I’ll leave you the last word — if you feel the need to respond that is.

So Dobson is discounting a Thompson campaign for president because he’s not a “committed Christian,” yet he’ll get behind Newt Gingrich? A serial adulterer who once divorced his wife while she was in the hospital with cancer?

I didn’t catch this the first time around.

You’re misunderstanding what a Christian is. Just because one is a Christian doesn’t mean that he/she all of a sudden never sins again, so I’m not sure I understand the connection that Newt Gingrich cannot be a Christian because he has sinned.

Try reading the bible once, Romans 10:9-11.

Ooooooooo K.
So did we finally decide
1.I have to pray to get saved
2.I have to abstain from prayer to get saved or
3. I can just look “up” and smile and wave?

Does it surprise me that you discount Dobson’s first impression of Fred Thompson? All I need to do is let my eyes wander to the right and I see your “I’m with Fred” banner.

I’d side with Dobson and say that my gut feeling is that Thompson isn’t a committed Christian either.

Robert108…That is a shame. Affirmative action is one of the worst things I have ever heard of. Discriminate all the way around.

HG:
Sarcasm – “remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride.” The sentence you objected you was sarcasm, meant to flush out more details that might not be forthcoming via normal debate technigues.
Antagonism – opposition between forces or principles, between good and evil, sometimes causing hostility or hatred causing ill will.” In debating such serious issues of good and evil, despite ones inner motives, if the other person is insecure in their beliefs or feel their beliefs are beyond any question, then hostility and ill will most often results. Jesus spoke in perfect love, boldly and often stabbing the consiences of some in his audience, which resulted in such hostility and ill will the world killed Him. So, I cannot be responsible for your reactions, your hostility and resulting ill will because of my debating style or words. Only you can decide how to react and how to feel, it is not my responsibility before man or God.

We are probably much closer theologically speaking on salvation by Grace alone through faith alone than you assume. However, I wanted to challenge you because I felt your rebuke of Chief when he mentioned a prayer of repentence would offend him without just cause. Until and unless Chief’s words betrayed some heterodox beliefs, I felt content to deal with him as a man worthy of respect and as a brother in Christ; and I wanted to defend him. Part of that defense mechanism is because we are both, at heart military men and soldiers, no matter their differences, cover each others back.

Lastly, from the very start when challenged it was you and not I that became hostile, antagonistic and would not brook any opposing opinions. So, when you point your finger at me, look at your hand, four are pointing back at you in accusation.

Or you could always give a look of disgust and say you limp wimp gimp?? Then you wouldn’t have to use the F word!

Probably not, ZZ. You would then be using a word(gimp) that can only be used by another one of their favored groups, Americans with Disabilities. You see, we don’t own our own language anymore; the PC police decide who can say what. Nice. You can only use certain words if you are in a specific group, and the list is growing, as the penalties become harsher and harsher.

Nope, faggot is now generally accepted to be a derogatory term addressing un-manlyness, not homosexuality. Or so my gay friends, both male and female, have told me.

We are carrying a piano into the house. You drop your end. I give you a look of disgust and say “You faggot”, you pick up your end of the piano and we get it in the house.

Can’t make it much clearer than that.

Robert108…I am with you. It just reminds me a bit of AA. It seems like an extention of AA & the politically correct BS??? Ya know?

I just read an article at USNews and Worldwhatnot that Jimmie Dob is now desperately backpedaling on this stupidity he spewed.

Ain’t life grand?

I don’t think Christians demand that non-Christians be sent to rehab for using the word “Christian”. Not so similar, after all.

Neiman,

Okay. Let’s start with those scriptures you can’t find. Remember Philip and the Etheopian? .. no prayer, just belief. Remember Cornelius? …. no prayer, just hearing the gospel and believing. Remember every other NT example? Remember the other 89 times “faith”, “trust”, or “believe” is used to describe the means of grace absent of any prayer?

Neiman, the reference you cite in Romans is dealing with Israel’s future restoration and salvation just prior to Christ establishin the kingdom on earth. Romans 9-11 are parenthetical revealing God’s dealings with his people Israel. Israel’s salvation will be both physical and spiritual. Physical in that they will be delivered from their enemy and spiritual in that they will be forgiven and delivered from eternal judgment. The verse is a direct quote from Joel 2:32.

Notice the distinction in the verses which follow:

“For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” If I have believed and received righteousness, what need have I of confession unto salvation except something remain to be saved from?

Remember Paul telling the jailer who inquired “what must I do to be saved?” Paul didn’t say “repeat after me”. “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.” This and every other example in the NT declares the same consistent message, believing is receiving.

The Jerusalem Council was convened for the very reason of determining the means of grace. The answer given by Peter and accepted by all present, including the Apostles, should put an end to this debate. Nevertheless, 2000 years later, we would rather quantify conversions.

Neiman…I never said love is sacchrine sweet or always agreeable! You are delusional…

You are the judgemental one, you tell us how dead we are.

Woah, what’s all the hubbub about?! Why is Dobson being criticized here? He’s a political commentator just the same as Rob is on Sayanything, only his venue is radio. He didn’t say anything about Christianity being a requirement for the office of Presidency, but he’s certainly legit for commenting on Thompson’s faith.

What Dobson said was certainly true about Thompson’s lack of an active/visible faith making it harder for him to connect with a large portion of the GOP base.

And keep in mind that Dobson is not talking up Newt because of his great Christian value’s but because of his Conservatism. Newt is a terrible Christian role model but he just may make a great president. Dobson is smart enough to know the difference…

I was sweeping my bloglines newsfeeds and saw it, I’ll go get the link. Should of thought of that before.

Zsa Zsa: That is an absolute lie that I attacked Justin first or at all! I never attacked him or you! I spoke the truth based on your own words and you felt attacked because it was the truth and my beliefs did not conform to your secularist beliefs. Justin’s every word in virtualy every post is hate filled, mostly hateful of Christ and the Church, and of anyone not agreeing with his nonsensical, lunatic, extreme Left Wing ravings. So, you deliberately lied about me in the post above. I have even tried to apologize to you and engage you in respectful debate, but you are so in love or lust with Justin that defending him is your most important goal and so you keep up your anger and hate for anyone not sharing your intimate ‘feelings’ for him.

2Hotel9: What gives you the right to judge someone elses servant? These men will be judged by God, if they are walking according to His Word fine, if not God will deal with his own servants. That being said, I agree that there is plenty of room to criticize many so-called Christian ministries today. The sad truth is, whenever any man no matter how sincere and saved is successful in gaining great numbers of followers, gains access to power and is blessed financially, a great majority of them can be terribly and easily corrupted by that success, because it is the success of this world. That is why God often had His prophets spend most of their time in the wilderness away from the world, and why he warns his children of the deceitfulness of riches, which I believe means any external, material success. He wants His children to enjoy the life He gave them and He loves to give generously to His children, but He also seeks spiritual maturity of the same measure as their blessings, so the latter will not corrupt the former.

Doesn’t it seem better to rationally point out why these men appear to be false teachers to you and through respectful debate either have those feelings confirmed by others or discover information that undermines your prejudices, than call them names and attack their honesty?

will Jesus reject me on that account?

As declared in Acts 15 “God which knoweth the heart, bear them witness”. Words can’t undo, nor muster, faith.

Isn’t it what is in my heart when I prayer the sinners prayer or any prayer of repentance and acceptance of Jesus that will count?

It is what is in the heart — period. Prayer has nothing to do with it.

I do not say the sinner prayer as Chief might, but we both recognize our need for a Savior and we accept Jesus as both Savior and Lord, and so why am I wrong to think we are both saved just the same?

No, not necessarily wrong. Acceptance is premised solely upon faith and absolutely nothing else. Faith recieves. However, if one fails to understand how one receives salvation, how can they even begin to understand how to live their faith (Col. 2:6)?

There is also the danger of repeating words and trusting in such for salvation. Only God knows who is and isn’t. We are only responsible to declare the gospel absent any creative means designed to quantify results.

Dobson is a charlatan, just as is Robertson,Falwell,Swaggert,Baker et al. They all steal money from the elderly and gullible. Of the whole gang Robertson comes closest to being a “man of God”, and he falls short. False prophets and demagogues, just as are the lying Immams and mullahs preaching deathworship in the name of Islam. Obverse of the same coin, and God will strike them down for their lies and perfidy. They are the ones claiming to be the annointed of God, so He will deal with them.

electnixon:
1. I responded to a false statement by the resident son of satan posting here, because I am not afraid of his hate filled attacks; he is a coward, and no sane human being fears a coward.

2. If you read my original post, you would discover that I would not refrain for voting for Romney solely because of his religion, if I thought socially and regarding our national security he was the best qualified person. Same with Fred Thompson, he does claim attachment to a so-called Christian denomination, which is alien to the Church of Jesus Christ; and is often used by politicians that want to pretend some Christian beliefs in order to get elected, but at this moment he appears to be the best communicator and a good conservative.

3a. On the surface the LDS appears to be a mainline Christian denomination with only a few heterodox beliefs and an inability to support the historical claims of its founder. 3b. However, upon closer examination the LDS God is a super human being routinely lusting after and engaging in sexual intercourse with flesh and blood females and producing children through these trysts. 3c. The Bible teaches a God of Spirit and He does not engage in sexual relations. 3d. The LDS Jesus was the flesh and blood offspring of this very human god and the brother of Lucifer. I must note that Jesus presented the LDS god with the best plan to save mankind and Lucifer getting really jealous and angry, thus became Satan and the personification of evil. THe Bible refers to Satan/Lucifer as a fallen Cherubim (Angelic being). 3e. The Bible tells us that God the Son always was, is now and always shall be 100% God, Who having indwelled human flesh (Jesus) and sacrificed that human flesh provided the only way of salvation. 3f. I could go on, but the simple fact is the god of the LDS and the Jesus of the LDS are alien beings to the God and Jesus described in Holy Scripture. So, I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that there is no difference between the LDS and the Christian Church, there are many and are profound.

4. Rob is an atheist, but mostly very respectful of people of faith and by his words appears to feel many of those social issues promoted by the Church have worth and likewise deserve respect. Justin is, by his many words, most of them hateful of both Christ and the Church, according to my faith, a child of the evil one and he operates in the spirit of the anti-Christ (No he is not him, just prefers him and his beliefs to those of Christ).

2Hotel9: While you don’t like Dobson and others like him, you are accusing him of having motives, which requires you be able to read his mind and know his heart. Don’t get me wrong, I am not a supporter of Dobson’s Ministry and I do not believe in Christian Psychology, but he is a Medical Doctor and I am confident he has helped many people within the limitations of his power. You have a right to your opinions, but I think you are judging someone falsely here. If I am confronted with evidence to the contrary, I assure you I will condemn his ministry.

What a buffoon…

Little harsh to criticize someone and call them as such when all he’s doing is doing what you’re doing every day (Political Commentary), isn’t it Rob?

Hell, if I had more than one wife who was anything near as nagging and bitchy as mine, I would wish for Missourians to shoot me. And then add that I would probably have 20 kids that annoy me equally as bad as my current three. Who the hell could live like that?

Thats the point in HBO’s series “Big Love”. The guy has 3 wives, and has lots of sex, but he also lives a life of lies outside his house, and when he is home he is a constant referee. I would rather have one wife!

I can promise you that Romney’s family did. They were old Mormon pioneers. But folks in the Boston Globe would rather talk about having a great great grandfather that had more than one wife than talk about having a great great grandfather that was murdered by a mob in Missiouri simply for being Mormon.

I would much rather have more than one wife than be murdered for my beliefs. Upside and Downside to old school Mormonism. All the wives you can handle, but you might get killed for doing it. Hell, if I had more than one wife who was anything near as nagging and bitchy as mine, I would wish for Missourians to shoot me. And then add that I would probably have 20 kids that annoy me equally as bad as my current three. Who the hell could live like that?

Justin, would it be too much to suggest that maybe, just maybe, you might want to educate yourself on what happened? That maybe, just maybe, a weblog isn’t sufficient space to discuss everything that happened between 1830 and 1838 regarding the Mormons in Missouri?

Give it a try. It won’t hurt you.

Once again, you are guilty of intellectual dishonesty. The part you quoted are general guidelines, and are as old as Protestant Christianit itself. They were not directed at either Romney or Thompson by Dobson, so you attempt to mislead there.

Of course they are not directed at Thompson. They are directed openly at anyone who wants to be a Christian. But they are certainly advice on how to become a Christian. And Dobson himself said Thompson wasn’t a Christian, so obviously there is something more that it takes to be a Christian other than accepting Christ.

I posted a link so you can read them in their entirity. How am I misleading. He said Thompson was not a Christian and his organization tells people how to become Christian. How is it wrong for me to assume that had Thompson simply followed Dobson’s advice and become a Christian according to FOTF guidelines, he would now be a Christian according to what Dobson said?

It is you who misleads by defending Dobson’s comments when they are indeed incorrect by his own definition.

What gives you the right to judge someone elses servant? These men will be judged by God, if they are walking according to His Word fine, if not God will deal with his own servants.

See, this here is the problem,”Dobson’s followers”. James Dobson is simply another lowgrade piece of crap stealing the money of fools. He wants me to believe he has anything to say from Jesus? Loose the $10,000 suit,$5000 Rolex, limosines private jets and 5!!!! mansions. Give ALL that to the poor, then, and only then do you have the cred to tell me anything about Jesus. And yes, this is the same problem I have with the Catholic Church.

“Let no man stand between you and God.” Anyone want to guess where that quote comes from?

Neiman…You are the liar. I am not left wing OR an atheist! I did not lie about the fact that you are “Preachy”. You are! You are NOT the JUDGE. Although you sure think you are. Judge not lest thy be judged. Does that ring a bell? It is people like you that make Christians look bad because you immediately JUDGE & attack. When we become a Christian we become more Christ like… It is by his grace that we are saved. NOT YOURS! Neiman, you have the tools & the right idea. When you learn how to walk in the lords Love and spirit of his Love you will truly be recieved. That is what people will look at & say wow! I want what he has. Quit judging others so quickly & let God do his job.

I will work on the mind reading probe. It is not arrogant to quote what a person says and then make the following statement:

I have heard and read a fairly substantial amount of the the things that Dobson says and what Focus on the Family stands for and in many respects, their goals are laudable. But their other goals are to increase the power and influence of Evangelicals in the Republican Party and to spread their doctrine of what Conservatism is all about–which is primarily about social conservatism, gay marriage, abortion, and bring Christ back into this country’s leadership.

In that respect, I have a fundamental disagreement with their mission.

How can stating facts be considered an opinion? How can reading his statements and then repeating them be considered giving an opinion or considered Arrogant?

You seem to know a lot about what the views of the MSM are and you assert that you absolutely know what they believe and what they want. How can you claim to speak for the MSM? That is certainly arrogant too. Why are you so afraid of the MSM?

For reference, when Joseph Smith instituted the practice of polygamy–in Missouri in 1838–he started by taking another man’s wife. He did this several more times before he was killed in Carthage, IL.

And that Mormon War? Started after a Mormon preacher basically challenged non-Mormon neighbors to it in an episode called the “Salt Sermon.”

In other words, the history isn’t as cut & dried in favor of any one side as it would seem.

Nieman this was a clear mistake, and I didn’t jump all over you. I am not a christian but I practice better what you preach.

http://www.family.org/faith/A000001057.cfm

If we don’t really believe and live the truth of God, then our witness will be confusing and misleading. Most of us go through life not recognizing that our personal worldviews have been deeply affected by the world. Through the media and other influences, the secularized American view of history, law, politics, science, God and man affect our thinking more than we realize. We then are “taken captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.” (Colossians 2:8)

However, by diligently learning, applying and trusting God’s truths in every area of our lives, we can begin to develop a deep comprehensive faith that will stand against the unrelenting tide of our culture’s non-biblical ideas. If we capture and embrace more of God’s worldview and trust it with unwavering faith, then we begin to make the right decisions and form the appropriate responses to questions on abortion, same-sex marriage, cloning, stem-cell research and even media choices. Because, in the end, it is our decisions and actions that reveal what we really believe.

How do we address this great need? It will take a monumental effort to change the course of our society, starting first with our own understanding of God’s truth. So, we have launched one of the most ambitious initiatives in Focus on the Family’s history, Focus on the Family’s The Truth Projectâ„¢. Through this DVD-based, 12-week home study, we hope to initiate transformation in the lives of thousands. We also expect that many will desire to lead these studies, and we are prepared to train and support facilitators, whom we are calling change agents, through training events, resources and a robust Web site, http://www.thetruthproject.org.

Del Tackett is executive vice president of Focus on the Family, President of Focus on the Family Institute and an adjunct professor of Christian Worldview at Summit Ministries and the New Geneva Theological Seminary.

Because Focus on the Family promotes Christian Worldview Summits and challenges that non-Christian Worldview believers are easily led astray. Dobson’s organization. Focus on the Family. Check their website. Plenty about their mission.

JustinB: Once again, you are guilty of intellectual dishonesty. The part you quoted are general guidelines, and are as old as Protestant Christianit itself. They were not directed at either Romney or Thompson by Dobson, so you attempt to mislead there. I’m sorry you have so much trouble with faith and principles, but I, for one, am glad we have people in high office who are beholden to principles that are higher than simply acquiring political power.

You are also mistaken in your evaluation of the Christianity of others.

Troy: Because I only judge the words of others posting here as a the measure of their true beliefs and character. That is called human interaction, a key to any effective transactional analysis to facilitate communication. I have never judged the eternal fate of anyone – which is condemned, but the Lord does tell us (encourages us) to judge the fruits (words/actions) of others that we might know of whose spirit they are speaking. Yet, in every case wherein someone has judged another person here as being a fraud or something worse, I always strive to bring a balance by pointing out another possible side of the issue they may want to consider.

Apparently, by your words, I suspect you approve of words like asshat, asshole and much worse used by many posting here and calling people without evidence frauds and charlatans and condemning beliefs not in line with their and perhaps your secular thought; but when someone like me points out, without those expletives, that their words appear to betray this or that about them and I oppose those beliefs, that is wrong and unnacceptable to you? Quite a strange, double standard you seem to apply!

Many on this blog only believe in allowing the cursing, mean spirited, hateful people to post whatever they want, all opposing views are not welcome here or must be subdued to not offend anyone! No direct, plain talk allowed by non-atheists?

…Romney’s Church believes in a wholly different Jesus Christ than does the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Protestant denominations … by the definition of a Christian contained in Holy Scripture (Faith in that Jesus Christ) he would not appear to be a Christian…

I don’t know where you got this idea from, but it is absoluteuly, 100% wrong.

I don’t know how you can possible believe that religions who both follow the same Bible and it’s teachings from Christ believe in a different God.

the promise of Israel was given to Ishmael and them; but the Bible doesn’t agree as God gave it to Isaac (later named Israel) and all his descendents (Jews).

Dobson expresses his opinions(First Amendment), expresses fundamental principles of Christianity for his followers, and you call it “attacks”.

Oh come off it. You do the same thing when it’s someone or some group you don’t agree with.

On top of that, you continually claim to speak for him; you don’t say that you are expressing your opinion of what his views are, from incomplete information, you assert that you absolutely know what he believes and wants.

Justin B. isn’t really saying anything that Dobson hasn’t already said himself. Just look at the article. Do you really want Justin to start every sentence with “in my opinion” or “it’s my interpretation”?

Dobson is a douche. I have little regard for Christians that spend all their time criticizing the rest of the world, especially fellow their Christians. They could do some much more with their faith but instead waste it on petty politics.

Why does Dobson come out and make an asshat out of himself?

What leads you to believe that you know anything about what Dobson has to say, other than what the MSM chooses to put in front of you? The agenda of the MSM is to make Evangelicals look bad, and they cherry-pick the quotes they publicize to accomplish that agenda. You have no idea of the spectrum of what Dobson actually believes or says, because the MSM won’t tell you. They only pick the stuff that reinforces your prejudices.

Clint F: While I do not agree with the idea of Christian psychology and I agree Dobson has gained a greater voice within the American Church than is warranted or even healthy; nonetheless, neither is he a ‘nutjob,’ as Sparkie would like to portray him. I have no reason to doubt his sincerity and his intellect, yet I don’t no look to him for political advice.

ec99: When did anyone, including Dobson intimate that being a Christian was a Constitutional requirement for the office of President? Nonetheless, not only should Christians ‘prefer’ a real Christian as their President, as a matter of personal choice so did most of our Founding Fathers.

At this point I am leaning towards Thompson, because I think he is the best candidate at communicating the conservative message while not turning off independents; and if elected, while no one will be another Reagan, Thompson appears to be a very skilled communicator, versus Bush whose serious trouble communicating and selling his policies has been his biggest downfall, not his actual policies.

When did anyone, including Dobson intimate that being a Christian was a Constitutional requirement for the office of President? Nonetheless, not only should Christians ‘prefer’ a real Christian as their President, as a matter of personal choice so did most of our Founding Fathers.

That is why real Mormons prefer a Mormon President. I think they are probably split about 50-50 between wanting Harry Reid or Mit Romney.

WTF? Dobson is a douche, just like Falwell, Robertson, and most of the other talking heads that spout this kind of shit off. I could care less if he was Catholic, Mormon, Evangelical, Jewish or other.

Why does Dobson come out and make an asshat out of himself? That is the thing about the Religious Right. They have test after test of what constitutes a “real Christian” and if you don’t do exactly what Dobson and Falwell and Robertson want and don’t toe the line 100%, then they are going to tell their “Christian” followers to not vote for you. They say worse things about Romney and Mormons because they don’t view Mormons to be Christian either.

Why do you think so many folks hate assholes like this? And how many people do guys like Dobson alienate?

BTW, Rob (of sayanythingblog.com fame) is a pro-life athiest.

Dobson doesn’t like folks like Rob though. Not Christian enough.

I’m just about as fundamentalist a Christian can get, and I’d vote for Thompson LONG before I’d vote for Newt. Newt may be the next best choice, but he’s not Fred.

I don’t know who supposedly put Dobson in charge of representing Christianity, but for me he represents much of what is wrong with modern “self-help” Christianity, not true faith. He no more represents me than Earl Pomeroy does, and is not someone who should be given any credibility as to who’s a Christian and who’s not.

Having said that, Thompson is part of the Church of Christ, which is really just a church that doesn’t believe in anything (or believes in everything) where politicians go to get baptized so they can be elected. Conrad’s part of it too, if I remember right. It’s about as much a church as the VFW, but they use it to say they’re electable by us Christian extremists.

‘word’ not ‘work’