“It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down”

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CNN “journalist” Don Lemon managed, earlier today, to sum up the left’s knee-jerk “do something” push for gun control in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting in a couple of brief sentences.

“[t]o say that gun violence is down does not make sense,” Lemon told CNN. “To me, it’s insulting to everyone who lost a loved one here and who was dealing with that. It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down. 20 children are dead here and 6 adults are dead.”

Right. So the actual data doesn’t matter. The real-world realities of the relationship between gun proliferation and gun crime doesn’t matter. What matters is emotion and anguish.

People feel bad about what happened at Sandy Hook Elementy, ergo we must act. And if you’re against acting – pointing out that in the aggregate America is actually becoming far less violent than it once has (a trend which has been taking place for decades) and just about every one of these mass shootings target gun-free zones where the very policies the gun control advocates support are exercised – you’re just an accessory to this mass murder before and after the fact.

Which is the gun control left is so desperate to jam something through Congress. The must act when emotions are high, because if the cool light of reason is cast on the gun control argument it simply doesn’t hold up.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Bat One

    One more example of the fact that to liberals feelings and emotions are far more important than facts or a rational thought process.

    • Guest

      Perhaps one day they, like Republicans, will lose all capacity to be empathetic as well.

      • yy4u2

        Only one e and m to go because the socialists are pathetic already.

        • Guest

          Thanks for showing conservatives haven’t lost their antipathy, but it’s not quite the same things as empathy.

      • Bat One

        I’m sure you take great pride in your empathy. Most liberals do. Particularly when that empathy is little more than a smarmy facade. Just don’t expect me to pay for your feelings, not with my earnings or my freedom. You have no valid claim on either.

        • Guest

          Yes, nobody ever truly wanted to not have the unemployed starve to death or stop the massacre of innocent kindergartners. It was massive sham. It was all about taking your things. You caught us, congratulations.

          • Roy_Bean

            It’s known as unintended consequences, unintended by you but not unpredicted by us. When you and yours made schools gun free zones you and yours made it known to nut cases like this that they could shoot freely and choose how many innocent people they will kill before they choose the time of their own death. In the words of Dave Grossman, removing the sheepdogs doesn’t make the sheep any safer. Now, when the wolf has attacked again, your solution is to blame the sheepdogs for the violence.

          • $8194357

            The lefts “un intended consquences” always line up with marxist/muslim planned deconstruction of a western
            rule of law culture tho,huh..

          • Bat One

            And of course the cost is always borne by those of us who disagree!

          • $8194357

            Yes sir..
            Ever leftward ratcheting never to come back to the center..

          • Guest

            You’re exactly right. Only conservatives pay taxes.

      • $16179444

        empathetic to what?

        • Guest

          Thank you for having to ask and adding some frightful truth to what was meant as a sarcastic remark.

          • $16179444

            or, you could answer the question….or do the facts themselves not make any sense?

          • Guest

            Gee, I don’t know. Did anyone suffer any tragedy this week for which one could feel empathy?

          • Onslaught1066
          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Not to a guy like him, or many others who are more interested in their selfish desire to believe they need an AR-15.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Ever hear of a little thing called “freedom”, Tiny Sociopath? I personally don’t jump out of perfectly good airplanes, but I know of those who do. Which among us gets to decide what constitutes a “selfish desire”?

            Besides, one does not need a “selfish desire” to own a gun more than one needs a selfish desire to own a gas guzzling 4×4 truck, when an electric car will get one anywhere on one’s entire island. You wanted one, you bought it. Who am I or anyone else to tell you it was selfish of you to want it…and kill all the polar bears! : (

            And don’t get me started on those selfish pr*cks with more than one surf board, when starving children in China haven’t got any! /sarc

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Apples and Oranges, PROOFoundly_stupid. You don’t own an RPG either, guess why?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            The Federal Firearms Act of 1938. Doesn’t change the principle, though. (Probably why you didn’t recognize it, since you haven’t any.)

            You don’t get to determine what my freedoms are (Thank God!). I don’t get to determine yours. Firearms are legal, grenades are not. If it were not for your fervid Proof envy and obsession with me, you might have noticed that the fruit salad was yours. Heh.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            But, but, the 2nd amendment……

            How will you be able to have a well armed militia to defend against a tyrannical government that has RPG’s, grenades, thanks, air-craft and missiles? With your make believe AR-15?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            So, you run like a scalded dog from the argument of whether or not someone has a “selfish need” for a legal firearm, because you’re “out of ammunition”? (pun intended)

            If you have nothing of value to say, please stop clogging my inbox with your childish blather.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The argument of gun ownership stems from the second amendment. You aren’t intellectually capable of having this discussion, that’s why you think discussing the 2nd amendment is changing the subject when discussion gun ownership.

            YES, YOU ARE THAT STUPID.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            The matter of the Second Amendment being other than the right of the individual is disputed only by children, morons or the terribly uneducated. (In your case, all three!) Which part of “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” did you not understand?

            Perhaps you can tell us why you would give any credence at all to the foolish notion that of all the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights, those with a fascist world view see only the Second as not covering the rights of the individual?

            That having been established in law, we were discussing your mind numbingly stupid statement that someone has what you termed a “selfish desire” to own a legal firearm. If you have neither the balls nor the integrity to stand behind whatever you bleat, no one here will be surprised.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’re rambling son. You can’t determine what is and what isn’t part of the discussion. But now that you are finally admitting the 2nd amendment is part of the discussion…..explain to me why you aren’t allowed to selfishly run around with an assault rifle? Why aren’t you allowed to fire your make believe AR-15 in you back yard, for that matter? Hmmm?

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            I’m sorry your ADD kicked in so soon. You spoke of someone having a “selfish desire” to own a legal gun. That has as little to do with the Second Amendment as you have to do with common sense, which is why I used the example of your 4×4, which some of the green weenie fascists in your party might say that you selfishly desired.

            Discussions of whether I can legally own a tank or grenades, or what I can legally do in my back yard is just you running away once more like a scalded dog away from your own stupid words.

            Stop trying to change the subject and answer the question, Hannignoramus. Or are you afraid you will wet your Underoos again at merely the thought of a real man owning a gun?

          • $16179444

            calling someone else stupid while voting for Obama…..ah, irony.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You voted for Bush, right? The guy that almost collapsed out economy.

          • Wayne

            The Democrats collapsed the economy. They are still at it…

            “Cuts? We don’t need no stinking cuts!”

          • $16179444

            sad reality for you sunshine – Obama DID collapse the economy.

          • Bat One

            The “militia” argument was summarily tossed aside by the Supreme Court in the Heller decision. If you are unfamiliar with that ruling I can look it up for you. Which language would be easiest for you? Spanglish or Ebonics?

            BTW, contrary to your implication, the point of the militia in post-Revolutionary America was to fight FOR the government, which had no standing army, not against it as you have wrongly suggested.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Plus the fact that the “militia” was understood to consist of every able bodied man in the country.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Fighting against a tyrannical government is what gun rights activists have warped the 2nd amendment into, in their minds. I was attacking that argument, not making it. But thank you for making it even clearer that the 2nd amendment is outdated and unnecessary; ergo the “right” to own an assault weapon, or any semi-automatic gun that’s designed to take out dozens of people with guns that have magazines loaded with dozens of rounds.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            “Fighting against a tyrannical government is what gun rights activists have warped the 2nd amendment into, in their minds”…says the mind reading troll!

            For the second time today, which part of ” the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?

            You’re the one who keeps bringing your fuzzy headed, historically incorrect notion of a militia into the discussion. Or did your ADD kick in and you forgot?

          • Bat One

            Sorry, kid, but I don’t need a reason to own an AR… or an AK, or a couple shotguns, or any of several handguns. The Constitution (you remember, don’t you? The Supreme Law of the Land?) says I have the right to own them, and the Supreme Court has stated that my right to do so is “fundamental” and an “individual right.” And whether you like it or not, that’s all the reason I need.

          • $16179444

            the “C” words gets him all flustered.

          • $16179444

            at least now you realize the gov’t YOU help to elect is tyrannical. baby steps.

          • Bat One

            Its not at all surprising that a liberal known for his vengeful, superficial race-baiting would focus his ire on “an AR-15″ since it looks like an M-16, even if it doesn’t fire like one. Appearance over substance… the liberal liturgy.

          • guest

            And what does a guy like you, a tax cheat, need a semi automatic weapon for? You hypocritical piece of sh*t.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Hannidiot has told us he wouldn’t own a semi automatic even if they were legal. He has posed with guns he said were not his. He fits the definition of poseur perfectly.

          • Wayne

            Boy ‘guest’, you are one scary tough SOB! Chicken Shit!

          • $16179444

            what is selfish about it?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Why bother answering, you wouldn’t understand the words anyway.

          • $16179444

            so in other words, you’ve got NOTHING. typical.

          • $16179444

            crocodile tears from your god. meanwhile kids getting demolished by his drone strikes, not to mention the kids aborted daily….but yeah lets focus on ‘this’ tragedy.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You joining the terrorist sympathizer camp?

          • guest

            Oh look, it’s hanni, Rob’s pet troll who stayed up all night on a blog craving any attention at all. No one like you, everyone just laughs at you, and with good reason.

          • $16179444

            the only terrorist group here are those wishing to do away with the Constitution.

    • $8194357

      Ya…I have been crying every night since this tragity happened so
      now you all must change your evil ways…Typical lib.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Rupert Murdoch said it’s time for gun laws to change. Joe Scarborough gave an impassioned speech yesterday on how gun laws MUST change. He emoted, nothing can be the same, after this attack.

      It’s not just liberals this time. Things are going to change.

      • Bat One

        When your amendment repealing the Second amendment of the Bill of Rights gets the necessary approval of three fourths of the state legislatures, please be sure to let us know.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          You don’t need an amendment change to apply more regulations. Although I think it would be an added bonus.

          • HG

            You very well might. Impositions on gun ownership have been struck down by judges.

          • Neiman

            What part of Congress shall make no laws infringing on these rights don’t you get? A regulation has the force of law and private gun ownership may not be regulated. You’ll have to go the amendment route and I do not believe the people will support it.

      • Bat One

        I’m no more interested in Mr. Murdoch’s opinion on gun control than I an Mr. Buffett’s on taxes. Both opinions are wrong. As are yours.

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          Wrong? That’s an interesting opinion that neither applies or has any merit. What matters is what is legal, and what can be accomplished.

      • $16179444

        things have already changed – for the worse thanks to your president

  • Roy_Bean

    Shame on you for questioning the Ministry of Enlightenment and Propaganda. Have you no respect?

  • kevindf

    Guns are an impediment to Don’s homosexual agenda. What kind of weapons does CNN’s security detail pack?

  • WOOF

    Gun violence isn’t down,
    we just moved it to the middle east.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      That doesn’t even make sense.

    • willieB

      It’s Tuesday…thanks for sharing your stupidity with us, again.

    • Thresherman

      And how did we move it? Did we send it UPS or by Fed Ex? Perhaps we hired Allied to box it up so it wouldn’t get damaged in transit? To state, as you have, that the people of the US is responsible for the violence in the middle east, clearly shows that your grasp of reality is exceedingly thin indeed.

  • Flamejob5

    It’s a humbling experience when you realize that even when one is fully aware of the antics of the mainstream media that you still have managed to somehow become propagandized.

    It was just yesterday that i posted in support of my belief that there was a rise in mass shootings over the last few decades.

  • Don Quixote

    Ok, so gun violence is down. We still have third world status when it comes to guns and violence. That’s nothing to be proud of. I would point out that while the number of guns owned by Americans has increased, the number of people who own guns has declined. Is there a link between the decrease in violence and decrease in the number of people with guns?
    Your right to own and bear arms does have limits just like freedom of speech. We just have to wait for the Supreme Court to establish those limits.

    Why are you guys always picking on the media. From what I’ve seen, they are mainly right leaning organizations. For example, name one ND newspaper that backed Heidi. I don’t know of any. All the large papers were behind Berg. It seems to me that any news organization that tries to follow a neutral balanced line is tarred as liberal by right wingers.
    Bat One, facts and rational thought processes are foreign to the right wing fringe. Think “Birthers.” Think NRA. Think anti-climate change.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      “We still have third world status when it comes to guns and violence” If you actually knew what you were babbling about, you’d be scary. There are over three million civilian copies of the AR-15 alone. That means over three million guns not used in senseless shootings, murders, or crimes or any kind. And that’s just one model. (Source: Right Wing New York Times)

      You find third world gun violence only in big cities where liberals have disarmed all the honest people.

    • alanstorm

      “From what I’ve seen, they are mainly right leaning organizations.” All the institutions you call out are at the state or local level. Apparently the idea that something can mostly, or even overwhelmingly, display one characteristic while showing the opposite in localized areas escapes you. Shocking.

      “It seems to me that any news organization that tries to follow a neutral balanced line is tarred as liberal by right wingers.” Show us one. The only national news organization to get anywhere near neutrality is Fox, and look how the lefties squeal about the one that got away.

      ” I would point out that while the number of guns owned by Americans has
      increased, the number of people who own guns has declined.” You are incorrect. If you have data, point to it.

  • SigFan

    Of course to the liberal bed-wetters the facts don’t matter. To them guns are SCARY. At least if they’re in the hands of people who won’t go meekly into the slaughterhouse.

    • $8194357

      Yup..
      Bleeding heart cause to sheild evil statist intent.
      Friendlies in the crossfire because they are to coward to come out with their true agendas until they get enough of the power to force everyone into their schemes.
      Then…Off to camp you go…

  • willieB

    Thanks to the little foo-foo’s on the left, gun sales are again BOOMING!!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/18/gun-sales-surge-after-connecticut-massacre/

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      It’s your own paranoia that caused the uptick, and that uptick resulted in this massacre.

  • sbark

    The Left wants to blame the 2nd Amend without laying any blame on the 1st amendment and the media giving these people 15 minutes of fame which then is to be copycatted by another with mental illness.

    Wait for the Left to begin the whine of getting rid of both amendments….with Liberalism there is always a next step.

  • $8194357

    Yes something in our culture has changed.
    Evil is no longer hideing itself as they get
    closer to the completion of the agendas..

    Globalism…The all out push for one world governance and the ideologies
    the “players” follow. Evil is strong in the world and we have a ‘high bred’
    communist/muslim in control with a ‘host’ of cohorts..

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/12/media-alert-pamela-geller-on-dr-drew-tonight-1.html

    Israeli teacher provides protection for her children…in America, we provide condoms
    (photo hat tip Quincy)

    Busy night in the Atlassphere.
    I am speaking to the Gotham Tea Party and will be appearing on the
    Dr. Drew show this evening at 9pm Eastern to discuss the horror in Newtown.

    I have debated the gun control issue on Dr. Drew while the left was jumping to mad conclusions, when George Zimmerman was targeted by the left in the death of Trayvon Martin. If you recall, Dr. Drew had me on the day the Trayvon Martin story broke — when little to nothing was known, but the campaign of destruction was in fifth gear. Needless to say, I was right — watch it. No media mea culpas — they murder people’s names, reputations, and livelihoods, and then move on to the next target.

    We are seeing the same reprehensible pattern with the slaughter in Newtown. Instead of grieving and prayer, Obama chose to go after gun control. The Loud Talker has a great piece here. Obama said, “We can’t tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end.” Yes, the absence of morality, Hollywood’s culture of depraved violence, the war on family must be reversed. The pendulum needs to swing the other way.

  • LibertyFargo

    So the current logic says this:
    Violence using guns goes up = more gun control
    Violence using guns does down = more gun control

    Am I missing something?
    Agenda much?

  • cylde

    He is afraid some soul brother will shoot him because he is black. He is afraid to go back to his hood cause a guy in a hoodie might target him. He knows he is safe in white neighborhoods.

    • kevindf

      Don passed the “brown paper bag test;” he is also clean and fastidious. He has nothing to worry about.

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