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Using Israeli vehicles is

way up on the stupid list.

Why WOOF? Humor us.

Why?

Just because some folks in the middle east (and many in the anti-war movement) are bigoted against Jews doesn’t mean we have to be.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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When I was at the Army’s Captains’ Career Course we had an Israeli Colonel visit to give us a course on urban combat.  The Israelis have A LOT of experience in this area.  To not listen to one of the few true allies that we have, and one that lives the urban combat lifestyle extremely often, would be foolish.

Using Israeli vehicles is way up on the stupid list.

Right up between WOOF & Mullah Cimoc?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

To not listen to one of the few true allies that we have, and one that lives the urban combat lifestyle extremely often, would be foolish.

Paulie,

Perhaps.  But we have been foolish enough to ignore Israeli advice regarding airport screening.

Instead of just looking for bombs or weapons to be used in hijacking, the Israelis have developed very sophisticated techniques for identifying the individuals most likely to bomb or hijack their commercial aircraft.  They are also well known for hunting down those responsible and killing them, wherever they may be, a far more competent and practical approach than treating acts of war like common crimes.

After all, when was the last time an el-Al flight was hijacked?  Entebbe?

One more thing the Israelis do with much greater competence than we do.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Heck we paid for the damn things

Israel to ask U.S. for more military aid
The present package, which ends this year, covers $2.4 billion in annual military aid
Haaretz

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

The Israelis have A LOT of experience in this area

Yup they sure do

Maps

More Maps

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Not only is it a smart idea to use Israeli vehicles against the terrorists, dipping all our bullets and missiles in pig’s blood would be even smarter.  It’s about time we waged war on those scum.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Does the bible tell you that robert108?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

R108
I don’t see the need for dipping bullets in pigs blood.  It won’t make any difference in the afterlife what they died from.

Bat One
I’m not saying that we haven’t been/aren’t foolish… I fear for the future of this country.  My ancestors (the European ones) left Europe for America because America was better.  Liberals want to make America Europe… and call good ideas stupid… bassakwards…

Does the bible tell you that robert108?

No.  It’s my desire to eliminate terrorists from the world.  A silly question from a silly person.  Any original ideas, or just trolling as usual?

I don’t see the need for dipping bullets in pigs blood.  It won’t make any difference in the afterlife what they died from.

We know that, but they don’t know that.  It’s worth a shot(pun intended).

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

It’s my desire to eliminate terrorists from the world

So you want to kill all Muslims?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

R108
Noted.  Psyops was never something that I was interested in.  I just wanted to kill the enemy as quickly and often as possible.  However, we aren’t allowed to do that anymore… That’s why I chose to be Civilian Paulie B rather than Captain Paulie B.  I was too passionate about my life’s work, and not being allowed to do it while I was in that career field was depressing.

Whether he wants to or not, Mark, I don’t think he said that.

Bat, R108,

It seems cyclical, we get in a war, have to lose a lot of people learning stuff that we could have learned from those who preceded us in combat (such as air combat against the Japanese, ignoring the lessons learned by the highly successful American Volunteer Group (Flying Tigers) or against the Germans in Africa, at Kasserine Pass.  Lots of airmen died in Brewster F2A’s and F4F’s who might have been saved if they had applied the Tiger’s lessons.

This site talks about these repeated cycles of forgetting valuable combat lessons of armor and self-propelled guns in urban combat. 

We also forget that oftentimes out enemies were taught by the Soviets, so methodology starts to repeat itself from one theater of operations to the next. 

For instance, the early Viet Minh were trained by the Soviets, who waged guerilla warfare (Partizans) against the Nazis in their Pripet Marshes.  Likewise, the Angolan and Southwest African People’s Organization (SWAPO) terrorists were trained by Soviet-bloc troops (Soviet, North Korean and Cubans) and made extensive use of mines to terrorize and, thereby, exercise area-denial.  They just ended up killing a lot of civilians and were the reason for Lady Di and Company’s global campaign against mine warfare (US methodology is far more careful, such as mapping mine locations, demarking an area as mined and self-defusing mines on a time basis). 

The South African Defense Force developed an excellent anti mine warefare vehicle called the Buffel (water buffelo in Afrikaans).

The Israelis have been fighting the Arabs for years, it would be foolish not to learn from them and adopt proven tactics and weapons systems.  Another very successful Israeli tactic is to use the very large, armored tractors to plow down entire sections of cities where terrorists have become embedded.

Indeed, Ariel Sharon was nick-named the Bulldozer for his use of them against Palestinians (Deir Yassin and Jenin, spelling might be off).

The US Marines also used bulldozers to shut down Japanese pillboxes during the Island-hopping campaign of WWII.

If it works, if it saves American lives and helps to kill lots of the enemy, we must use it.

...for great justice

Another very successful Israeli tactic is to use the very large, armored tractors to plow down entire sections of cities where terrorists have become embedded.

Yah in illegal occupied territory (Check maps above)
Just ask Rachel Corrie

Rachel

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Israel also helps us to get rid of navy junk

USS Liberty

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Anyone too stupid to get out of the way of a bulldozer has no doubt earned their autopsy.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

I wonder if this “Golan” urban warfare vehicle will come equipped with the “Trophy” anti-RPG system?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Mark D said, So you want to kill all Muslims?

robert108 merely said “terrorists” and you equate that to mean “all Muslims”.

You said it yourself Mark. Now we know where you stand.

I dunno,

I think US-based Leftists are slacking!

Why aren’t they standing in front of bulldozers?

Please, be our guest!

...for great justice

Can anyone name a special interest group in DC that spy’s on the US?

AIPAC

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

More trolling from MD.  Boring. He just hops from one leftie hate talking point to the next one.  Ho hum.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Isn’t the post on Israel helping the Marines?

How many of those can we buy for $2.4b?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

If Israel isn’t one of our allies, then who are our allies, Mark?  Do we have any?

robert108

what would your response be if a group of liberal professors were indicted for illegally conspiring to gather and disclose classified national security information to Israel.

What would be your response???? boring? More trolling?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

I don’t deal in hypotheticals, generally speaking.  There has to be some connection to reality to pique my interest.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Pauline B

Do we have any?

Not any more. And Israel is not an ally of the USA. True allies don’t spy on each other.

Fox News

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

robert108

liar....I’ve read your posts.

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D said, True allies don’t spy on each other.

Bullshit. Every country in the world with sufficient resources spies on every other country in the world.

“Trust, but verify” doesn’t just apply to one’s enemies.

I’d take that Urban Assault vehicle up to Stuttgart to meet the girls.

C’mon, it’s Czechoslovakia. We zip in, we pick ‘em up, we zip right out again. We’re not going to Moscow. It’s Czechoslovakia. It’s like we’re going into *Wisconsin*.

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

I don’t deal in hypotheticals [just homo date-rape drugs eh?], generally speaking.  There has to be some connection to reality [or between me and a supple teen boy] to pique my interest.

Connection to reality? Oh. Right.

Remember, r108, when I was a newby on this blog and we were arguing about Iran and I pointed out that Northwest Africa is a great target too, teaming with Habibs, and I upped a map with a nice big arrow so you could see what I was talking about? You said I was an idiot and that Iran is much more of a concern and should be invaded, remember? Ain’t it funny that, since then, we have been bombing in NW Africa and now we are getting ready to enter talks with Syria and Iran in Iraq? I mean juxtaposed with your claim that you deal in reality and your constant claims I am a KOOK its pretty funny eh? Dumbass.

Mark D said, True allies don’t spy on each other.

That is BS Mark. We are allies with Israel and Feith and all his cronies are running serious game for them. Even Perle was convicted of spying for Israel back in the 70s - picked up on a wiretap of the Israeli embassy discussing classified docs… Just like Feith’s buddy Larry did in 2005. Helping Israel push the case for going into Iran on us.

In defense of one of Mark D’s points, there is a historical precedent for that last one—“True allies don’t spy on each other.”

“Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail.”

Of course, that didn’t work too well, or last too long, but at least Mark’s quoting a historically prominent example of stupidity…

J.
J.

Yes, the Liberty was attacked and almost sunk by Israeli aircraft (and gunboats, I believe); yes, AIPAC is a very strong lobby in Washington; yes, they have provided military technology we gave to them to the Red Chinese; and yes Pollard et al conduct spying against the US (hence the distinction between HIS and FIS, e.g. Hostile Intelligence Services and Friendly Intelligence Services). 

The French were famously spying on us as well.  Even Clinton rankled hundreds of our Pacific Rim trading partners when he was caught bugging the APAC conference. 

Not that it doesn’t matter, but on balance, while Nations do not have friends, they do share national interests.

It’s in our National Interest to ally ourselves to the closest thing we have to an ally in the Middle East.

The Left constantly exploits the differences between friends at the personal level, societies at the national level and Nations at the international level so as to Divide and Conquer.

That’s another tactic of the Left and clearly on display here.

BUSTED.

...for great justice

After all,

...why would you trust anything written by a guy who wears makeup and dresses?

...for great justice

MZ

come on MZ

Reach out and touch faith

Your own personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who’s there

Personal Jesus

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

It’s in our National Interest to ally ourselves to the closest thing we have to an ally in the Middle East.

Ha ha ha MZ you made a funny.

Who cares about anyone else

Gulf countries: No air space for Israel
CAIRO, Egypt, Feb. 26 (UPI)—The Arab League said three Arab Gulf countries have denied Israel use of their air space to strike Iran.

Arab League Secretary-General Amr Mousa told reporters in Cairo the foreign ministers of Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates said there is no agreement allowing Israeli jets to use their air space to reach Iran.
While Israel has no peace treaties with any of the six Arab Gulf states, it has limited commercial ties with Qatar and Oman.
Link

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Invade Iraq....they are in violation of UN Security resolution 1441

List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel

link

It’s in our National Interest to ally ourselves to the closest thing we have to an ally in the Middle East. but Israel?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D said, Who cares about anyone else

You won’t survive long on your own. One can never have enough friends/allies.

It’s in our National Interest to ally ourselves to the closest thing we have to an ally in the Middle East. but Israel?

No offense, but are you really this dense or are you trolling? You really don’t see how Israel is the closest ally we have in the Middle Eastern world? Here’s a hint: we have the most in common and we share many common goals. We both value life - which, outside of the Kurds and other small pockets, is fairly rare in the largely Islamic Middle Eastern world. Israel has the most freedom in that regard by far, regardless of what their enemies in the UN state.

Do you think it’s fair to quote Israel’s enemies as a subjective measure? What would your enemies say about you?

It’s Czechoslovakia. It’s like we’re going into *Wisconsin*.

Yeah, well I got the shit kick out of me in Wisconsin once.

Arab League Secretary-General Amr Mousa told reporters in Cairo the foreign ministers of Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates said there is no agreement allowing Israeli jets to use their air space to reach Iran.

Which is just what you’d expect him to say, isn’t it?  Doh!

Besides, I’m quite sure that lack of formally publicized permission to transit UAE airspace is going to stop the Israeli Air Force when it is decided to take out the Iranian nuclear facility.  Right!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

South Africa makes a superior APC, for half the cost per unit. And we could buy BTR 90s for much less, a combat proven machine already in large scale production. Long story short, Dems in Congress have fought tooth&nail since the mid-’80s to stop America’s military from uparmoring troops and vehicles, all on the grounds that it would make us appear to agressive to the rest of the world.

How many American soldiers dead because of that political position?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Here is another entry in the bidding.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Long story short, Dems in Congress have fought tooth&nail since the mid-’80s to stop America’s military from uparmoring troops and vehicles, all on the grounds that it would make us appear to agressive to the rest of the world.

Exactly. This makes it really galling to hear the current crop of Dems (many of whom voted against military appropriations for decades *Ted Kennedy*) hem and haw about a lack of troop armor. It’s like these twits have a collective case of amnesia. It makes me want to go up and smack them while saying, “hey dingleberries, you guys are against such things, remember? You told us that we had to ‘be an example’ to the rest of the world, remember?”

But then I remember that I’d be dealing with partisans who blow whichever their partisan winds deem most opportune. Such logic is lost on such creatures.

M D, Why are you so against the USA and so pro terrorist? AND you are so anti Jesus and seem to be pro Muslim?

Sparkie/MD: Glad I could get both your heads to explode with one comment.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Zsa Zsa

M D, Why are you so against the USA and so pro terrorist? AND you are so anti Jesus and seem to be pro Muslim?

Huh? Against USA, pro terrorist? Why, cause I question a so called ally who sells arms to China ( NewsMax)
hey wait, isn’t Cheney complaining about China’s arms build up, oh well, cause I question an ally that spy’s on us, sinks our navy ships, persuades us to start wars through the worlds largest special interest group and are the # 1 recipient of US foreign aid and I am anti-American for that?

And Zsa Zsa, no one is going to tell me what religion I must belong to. I poke fun at all religions coz they are all a crock of shit

robert108

Glad I could get both your heads to explode with one comment.

Yeah, I got a helmet on, yeah....my head can’t explode, yeah.
(Crank Yankers Special Ed)

lik
Perhaps we should cut taxes, increase military spending even more so we can start more wars with our special ally in the ME.
Although can’t touch the sunnis.

Sunnis - not Shiites - biggest threat to U.S. troops
Good Article

Fallujah? Sunni controlled. Check out DOD and see how many troops have died in Fallujah at the hands of the Sunnis.
How many Sunnis in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt?
How many in Iran?

The Blackwater burned corpses hanging from a bridge? Oh I thought Iran did that

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

r108
if my head exploded when you lie, i would have bought the farm long ago!

so your post about the potential muslim insurrection in the US if we loose the war did not contain any hypotheticals? is that what you claim?

isn’t Cheney complaining about China’s arms build up,

It is the rate at which China is arming itself that raises ‘red flags’ (pun intended).

MarkD, I don’t think anybody questions that the Sunni’s represent a bigger threat to US forces stationed in Iraq.  The bigger question is who is a bigger threat to American interests there, so it’s not just a question of asking about where our casualties are coming from.

Clearly Iran is much more powerful than the Sunni Arab population in Iraq, and much more capable of creating havoc.  Furthermore, there is little doubt at this point that elements in Iran (esp. the al Qud Army) are providing technical aid to the Sunni insurgents.

Also, not all Iraqi Shi’ites are pro Iran, and those anti-Iranian elements have sometimes been targeted by Sunni groups who are actively supported by Iran.  So it gets complicated....

r108
if my head exploded when you lie, i would have bought the farm long ago!

so your post about the potential muslim insurrection in the US if we loose the war Is it tight? did not contain any hypotheticals? is that what you claim?

Once again, Sparkie, I find myself needing to dispel your ignorance.  Your head explodes every time I refute your lies with the truth.

MD made up some fantasy, and asked me to give an opinion of it.  I guess I have to explain “context” to you, but am not interested in doing so.
BTW, I regard increased attempts at a Muslim takeover of the US, by several means, as highly probable, should we lose in Iraq, as the Dems want to do. Of course, if you had read the article you apparently are do fond of, you would have noticed that I actually used numbers to support my contention.  You do know what numbers are, don’t you?

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

r108
that babble doesn’t dispell the fact you lied about dealing in hypotheticals.

this crap bores me though. liar.

that babble doesn’t dispell the fact you lied about dealing in hypotheticals.

I know this is simply another thing you don’t know, Sparkie, but there is a significant difference between “probable” and “hypothetical”. I realize it’s “subtle” distinction for you, but try to keep up.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

r108
to use bat’s parlance, “how’s your rotator cuff feeling buddy?”

crap artist.

Carrick

Clearly Iran is much more powerful than the Sunni Arab population in Iraq

Yes, in Iraq, but not in the region.

Furthermore, there is little doubt at this point that elements in Iran (esp. the al Qud Army) are providing technical aid to the Sunni insurgents.

???  Civil war, sunnis kill shiites, shiites kill sunnis. Why would shiites be providing technical help
to sunnis? Yes I’m sure in some circumstances they combine forces against us but to say Iran 96% shiite is also backing sunnis is a little extreme.

We must go after those that are supporting sunni insurgency, like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, to mention a few, with the same aggressiveness of those supporting shiite insurgency.

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

M D...Is it just Israel supplying the Red Chinese that irks you? OR is itthe technology the Clinton admin gave them that makes you queasy?

crap artist.

You’re projecting again, Sparkie.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Civil war, sunnis kill shiites, shiites kill sunnis. Why would shiites be providing technical help to sunnis?

Mark D,

Finally… Something substantive, rather than just quaint and belligerent drivel.

However, you’re wrong.  The alliance between the radical Shi’ite Iranians and the Ba’athist Sunni regime of Syria’s Assad is certainly real, functional, and mutually beneficial

Likewise, the Lebanon-based terror group, Hezbollah, is decidedly Sunni Arab, but is funded, armed and pretty much controlled by the Iranian Shi’ites.

All of which supports what I had said earlier that the correct policy for the US is emphasize and take advantage of the divide between the two Muslim camps, playing one off against the other.

The Iranians whose crude oil and gas production are diminishing annually due to incompetence, corruption, and lack of developmental capital and technical expertise are both religiously and economically expansive in their view of the Persian Gulf area.

The Sunni’s, from the Saudi Arabians on down, may not like the Americans, but they are far more fearful of the Iranians and know that at least they can continue to do business with the Americans.  A semi-secular, self-sustaining Iraq is clearly in the Saudis’ best interest.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

MarkD, I thought I’d addressed some of this, but in case Bat One’s comments don’t make a dent, here are the points:

Iran is the heavy hitter in the region, not the Iraq Sunnis.  Maybe you got your words tangled up on that.

However, even within Iraq, these days, Iran is a more dominant player than the Sunnis.

Why would the Iranian Shi’ites be helping Shi’ite-hating Sunnis?  Because “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” or so the expression goes in the Middle East. 

The Sunni’s blow up American troops.  Iran is concerned about a long-term troop presence in Iraq.  Aiding the Sunnis to kill Americans is in their short and long term best interests. 

Removing the Americans from Iraq destabilizes Iraq, and mostly threatens the Sunni Arabs, since the Sunni Arab population are a 30% minority living in the most resource poor part f the country:  It is in the long-term worst interests of the Sunnis for a precipitous US withdrawal, and in the best interests of the Shi’ites for a US withdrawal.

So of course, Iran is helping the lunatics among the Sunni population.  It benefits them and harms the Sunnis!  A win-win proposition.

As to why would Iran pay Sunnis to blow up moderate anti-Iran Shi’ites.  You really need help figuring that one out?

M D… You of all people should be against what Hugo Chavez is about! My husband works with a man from Venezuela. He said he can hardly stand to see anyon wear the color red, because on election day Hugos thugs go around beating people up who they knew would not be voting for him. What do you think would happen if you were to speak out against Hugo Chavez if you were a Venezuelan citizen???

Bat 1

Hezbollah, is decidedly Sunni Arab

Wrong....I belive they are mostly shiite

A semi-secular, self-sustaining Iraq is clearly in the Saudis’ best interest.

Well of course, but get the sunnis and shiites to agree to that is excatly what is happening now.

Carrick

My French isn’t that good, could you translate to English.
this is what I got out of it.
The sunnis and shiites are buds coz they hate the US, they both want us out but if we leave the shiites will take control. Realizing this the sunnis continue to kill US troops at a greater rate than the shiites and also kill shiites coz they don’t want them to take control, but they don’t kill each other at the bomb making factory coz their buds.
Am I close?

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Zsa Zsa

I can’t wear red on election day either.

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Why not?…

Mark D,

Are you suggesting that the Syrian Sunnis are aiding and arming the Hezbollah Shi’ites in Lebanon, while the Shi’ite Iranians are aiding and arming the Ba’athist Sunnis in Syria?

That sure doesn’t match up very well with what you said before,

Civil war, sunnis kill shiites, shiites kill sunnis. Why would shiites be providing technical help to sunnis?

does it?

Look, the situation in Iraq is more complex… more nuanced, if you will, than your semi-literate precise above, but in point of fact you give ample reason for the US remaining in place, and even reinforcing our troops in crucial areas until such time as the Iraqis, Sunnis and Shi’ites, are forced to accept the reality of that semi-secular government I mentioned above, and the Iranians are not a threat to overrun Iraq from the east and the Saudis are convinced that a stable, functional Iraq is and effective and sustained barrier to Iranian territorial ambitions in the region.

Clear enough?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

MarkD, that’s pretty close to my understanding.

...and Hezbollah is definitely Shi’ite Arab, with the Shi’ite-hating Syrian Ba’athist government as one of their greatest allies.  Why?  Because the Hezbollah hate the Israelis and act as a counterbalance to the pro-Western Christian-Sunni alliance.

I suppose you’ve noticed the irony of Syria sponsoring the assassination of Rafik Hariri, a Sunni Arab, in order to facilitate the control of a Shi’ite Arab terrorist organization..

Zsa Zsa

Why not?

Well see I live in a blue state so the only time I can show my true colors and wear a t-shirt with sayings on it is when Dubya is in town holding a rally or town meeting, coz the secret service guys filter out the blue liberal scumbags from entering and asking those illiterate questions that make Dubya think. But when he leaves it gets dangerous out there, and ever since the budget cuts in Homeland Security coz the money had to go to that Walter Reed place and foreign aid and other important stuff I fear for my life. Deep down inside “I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully”

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Bat 1

and the Iranians are not a threat to overrun Iraq from the east and the Saudis are convinced that a stable

Why didn’t you say....
And the Saudis are not a threat to overrun Iraq from the west....

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Carrick

I suppose you’ve noticed the irony of Syria sponsoring the assassination of Rafik Hariri,

Please.....according to who, Mossad

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

According to Syria.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Carrick,

Thank you!  I hadn’t yet got to the Hariri assassination.  But given the cognitive disability on display here…

Actually, Mark D, its not the Mossad that accuses the Syrians, but the United Nations.  From WaPo,

In blunt language, the report by German prosecutor Detlev Mehlis concluded that the Valentine’s Day bombing of former prime minister Rafiq Hariri and 22 others “could not have been taken without the approval of top-ranked Syrian security officials and could not have been further organized without the collusion of their counterparts in the Lebanese security forces.”

The report faulted Damascus for failing to fully cooperate with the probe and cited several officials, including Foreign Minister Farouk Charaa for attempting to mislead the investigation by providing false or inaccurate statements. Nevertheless, Mehlis said many leads now point directly to Syrian security officials.

… Mehlis said the slaying followed a “growing conflict” between Hariri and senior Syrian officials, including Assad. Tensions came to a head during a 10-to-15-minute meeting between the two men on Aug. 26, 2004. The Syrian leader informed Hariri that he wanted to extend for three years the term of Lebanese President Emile Lahoud, a close ally of Damascus, in defiance of the Lebanese constitution—a move Hariri firmly opposed.

Mehlis’s report included excerpts of interviews and statements about the meeting, including several by Hariri’s associates and his son, alleging that the Syrian president threatened Hariri if he opposed the plan.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat one
I stand corrected.

“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Now. Can we get back to armor?

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Here is another, perhaps more acceptable to woofie, entry.
And here is a link to one of SAs fine vehicles.

And here is a good machine from China!

And lets not forget MOWAG!MOWAG!
An excellent machine with plenty of beyond the horizon usability. Sorry for the double, can’t fix it.

The availability of operational APC/ACC vehicle systems is a bit stunning. Why did those in the majority in Congress during the last 25 years not moved forward on this issue?

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And here is another entry. I am of 2 minds on MRAV, the interchangable vehicle components system sounds promising, but will it hold up in combat. The ability to drop modules, dig them in and send the vehicle to pick up another and more troops is very attractive. Carry a mortar section with ammo, drop it ready to fight, with the basis of a fighting position, and go for more while troops consolidate the perimeter. Bring in C&C and Medical, SHAZAM! Forward Firebase. These modules would be Airtran capable, too.

A real Siren Song.

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