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That is part of the problem with this country, too many people like you just don’t care, you don’t care that our country has been sliding into a moral sewer for several decades now; people like you have no absolute standards of right and wrong anymore, you proclaim your tolerant nature in accepting a little evil today, a little more evil tomorrow, until you wake up to discover one day that there is nothing so low and vile that it will stir up any moral indignation in your heart, except maybe Christianity.

Public displays of homosexual conduct and things like Transsexual politicians, homosexual marriage, abortion and etcetera severely lowers the overall code of public deceny and standards of morality. We, as a people, no longer think anything is right or wrong, and nothing causes us to feel genuine shame anymore; and this tolerationist attitude grants these people and their behavior our national imprimatuer, things which only a few decades ago were considered vile, wicked and unspeakable. Oh, you might rage today against something like sexual molestation of children; but in Germany they tried recently to call upon fathers to massage the vaginas of their 1 year and older daughters and the penis of their little boys, all to develop a healthy sense of sexuality. When it comes to America, you might at first object but as more and more people engage in such conduct your moral barriers will fall once again and you will say you just don’t care.

In the 1950’s nudity was confined to a few dirty burlesque houses in the seedy sections of big cities and even then pasties over female nipples were the standard of public decency. Then magazines like Playboy came out - with interesting articles to be sure, and quickly pornography even at home was fashionable, then the next thing was topless bars, topless-bottomless dancers, topless waitresses, simulated sex acts on stage, to gay bath houses and public participation nude theaters. In the middle of all of this homosexuality became fashionable, a thing to be accepted as long as it was quiet and not seen, to the point now where they march down the streets of our big cities appearing and behaving in ways that only the most vile humans would consider acceptable public behavior. This behavior better fits in ancient Rome or Greece just before those empires fell into the trashheap of history. Now to speak against homosexuality is a hate crime and anyone not accepting homosexual relationships and behavior have become redneck, hated conservative Christians; and that was when the world was turned upside down: Homosexuality, transgenderism is now acceptable, but taking the Gospel to the streets and even being a Christian is something that is being forced into the shadows and the closet where all shameful attitudes should be kept.

But, that’s okay, because after all, your just don’t care!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Certainly some Congressmen would sell their mothers on Ebay if it were possible, but let’s take a serious look at this man.  He’s walked away from his wife and three children, and the world’s best predictor of crime is fatherlessness.  He’s called to help police sex crimes despite having run a sex toys business.  Think some of the “borderline” crimes might get under-policed?

Moreover, he’s only had police involvement since 2004.  This is pure politics.  San Francisco is getting the man they deserve, but the citizens of that city will suffer for this.

Nieman…

I seem to have struck a noive.

If you’ll read the post carefully you’ll discover that I wasn’t endorsing any of those activities. I am slamming our idiots in office.

And, no, I don’t care. Race, religion, or sexual preference should not be used to determine the character of a person. A good person is a good person without regard to any of those. On the other hand, an asshole is an asshole regardless.

I care about how myself and my family are treated by individuals, whether or not they’re honest or honorable, not who they sleep with or what color they are.

Calm down. I can assure you that I’m not the cause of moral collapse in this country. The expanded parameters of behavior is.

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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Rob, you like wear women’s underwear don’t you?

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And this wasn’t written by Rob - but Pilgrim.  So my joke is ruined!  Ruined!

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Rob, you like wear women’s underwear don’t you?

I do, actually.  Quite a bit.  Not for myself, of course, but on my wife?

You betcha.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

I do, actually.  Quite a bit.  Not for myself, of course, but on my wife?

Hey, whatever happens in Rob’s room stays in Rob’s room.

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I do, actually.  Quite a bit.  Not for myself, of course, but on my wife?

I actually prefer them OFF of my wife, but that is neither here nor there.

Neiman,

while I support your beliefs that our leaders should be held to higher moral standards, it is my firm belief that the single greatest standard they should be held to is this:

Did their constituents by virtue of the popular vote (or electoral college) rightly cast their ballots and elect them to office

Now, make whatever moral implications this has on society an issue and rightly it is.  But let’s keep in mind that our elected leaders merely represent the societal choices and ballot choices of their constituents.

And that is the great part about things—I don’t live in SF so it is not even close to my place to make a judgment on who they choose to elect.  But the elected leadership of a particullar city or county or state provides citizens with a strong motivating factor in choosing where they want to live.  And that my friends is the free market.  This series of choices represents part of a trend in California that has small businesses and families fleeing the state because it has created an environment that is both hostile to business and hostile to families.

And SF knows it.  They have problems with gentrification and an influx of gay men while bleeding diverse communities of blacks and hispanics.  They are losing families.  They are becoming an enclave of their own.  And admittedly, they may be a cancer that is slowly spreading the threatening the rest of us, but honestly, it appears that the cancer is confined to these large urban cities and instead of spreading, it is further concentrating there because these cities have a magnetic effect pulling in the worst elements from other places in society and consolidating them.

Pilgrim: It only hits a nerve because I have personally witnessed the steady, inevitable moral collapse of this country for over six decades, wherein our world has truly been turned upside down; and while I cannot change anything by myself, I must at every opportunity express my outrage at how far we have fallen and how far we will yet fall into the moral sewer.

A good person is a good person without regard to any of those.

Even atheists and agnostics, mistakenly call Jesus a good philosopher; but he said no one is good but the Father, He condemned the world as utterly sinful. So, according to whose standards do we say this person is good and this one is not, when the only good Person that ever lived said there is no such thing as a good person. How, if we are, depending upon your belief in God or lack thereof, going to violate either Natural Design or Creative Design with our bodies and still be thought of as good? If a man does evil things and yet seems to treat you okay, is he good or evil? How can that which is inherently evil produce anything good? If by our toleration of such things we allow our children to believe such things are acceptable and not something to feel ashamed to witness, then how will your children have any standards upon which to measure good and evil?

Calm down. I can assure you that I’m not the cause of moral collapse in this country. The expanded parameters of behavior is [are?].

Were good Germans that stayed silent in the presence of Nazi evil accomplices in that evil? If I see a man raping a woman and I do nothing to stop him, don’t I share his guilt for the crime? To be silent and inactive in the face of things which destroy our sense of right and wrong is to be a cause of that evil and even worse evils that will follow. If you see our country suffering a moral collapse, it is not expanded parameters of behavior that caused it, it is you and me when we do not resist it, fight it and overcome it. Frankly, that is my attitude about Iraq, these Islamic murderers are evil and we must resist, fight and overcome their evil before they destroy us.

Yet, by your words it appears in all of this you find my responses to be an emotional overreaction. But, going back to the Germany example, I would rather protest evil and even die in the attempt to stop it, than to be passive in the face of evil and by doing nothing allow it to prosper.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Justin B.:

Did their constituents by virtue of the popular vote (or electoral college) rightly cast their ballots and elect them to office?

And if it was a Hitler, Chavez or other dictator, would your response be the same?

I am only concerned when we are silent and seemingly permissive in the face of evil. If S.F. is the modern Sodom and/or elects a child molestor to office, while I cannot do anything to stop them or keep the person from taking office, am I not still responsible to object and say the Emperor has no clothes? Or, should I remain silent and allow evil to prosper without opposition?

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Don’t just object, but contribute funds to the opposition.

I am not saying don’t object, but this person is not Chavez or Stalin and probably didn’t “steal” the election.

Face it, this person simply reflects the views of the folks that inhabit SF.  Don’t take issue with the candidates they elected, but take issue with the kind of people that are voters.  And recognize that it is the fact that folks like this constitute a majority in these enclaves of immorality that attracts the vermin in our communities to leave and head there instead of keep their filth where my kids live.

But I don’t see that being a transsexual or owning a business that sells sex toys is illegal.  Immoral, yes, but that is based on our shared sense of morality.  And this just further indicates how F*ed up SF is.  But we still have to respect that these folks have the same power of the ballot box that the two of us do.  And we have to respect their elected officials as being the representatives that these deranged folks vote for.  I believe this is Nancy Pant’s district so until we start voting in 2008, we gotta save our moral outrage.

We actually need examples like this to demonstrate why we don’t want Pelosi and Boxer leading the country and why the views that they represent run so counter to our morals and values.  Then we need folks to realize that Pommeroy and Baucus and Reid and Murtha and all the Dems that come from fairly conservative districts are members of a party led by transvestite sex toy salesme…wome…things.

Then vote.  And encourage others to vote.  These issues highlight the importance of elections.

Neiman:
Intolerance, hypocrisy, ignorance, bigotry?

I smmmmell a bible thumper!

Pilgrim, I appreciate your trying to be open and fair to people, but you need a checkup from the neckup on this one.

what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms has absolutely no impact on me or my life

Don’t tell me you’re the flippin CEO of “Good Vibrations” and you are trying oh so hard (pardon the pun) to keep the issue “in the bedroom”?

When somebody says they are transexual, THAT ALONE takes the issue outside of the bedroom. That does affect you, whether or not you are naive enough to think it doesn’t.

If you really want to run for office, and you’re a transexual, if someone asks you about it, you should just say “my sexuality is irrelevant and I have no comment”. And I might resigning as CEO of Sex Toys R Us would also help.

Sort of refreshing in a weird sort of way, isn’t it?

The only thing refreshing was that the article was over.

I seriously want to take a shower now.

Why should we have less abortions if it’s not really killing someone?

Jason B: Neiman:

Intolerance, hypocrisy, ignorance, bigotry? I smmmmell a bible thumper!

”Bible thumper is a derisive term used to describe Christian fundamentalists, or anyone perceived as aggressively pushing their religious beliefs upon those who do not share them. As an insult, its target domain is broad and can often extend to anyone engaged in a public show of religiosity, fundamentalist or not. The term alludes to a preacher thumping his hand hard down on the lectern and the Bible on it to emphasize a point during a sermon.” Your use of this term indicates a prejudice and proably anti-Christian bias on your part and has nothing to do with me.

Intolerance

“Tolerance is the disgraceful asylum for the morally dissolute! In truth, a call or plea for tolerance is most often an intolerant demand that, particular perverse attitudes or behavior be approved by an individual or so-ciety, which acts and thoughts in previous times and social settings, would have been considered wicked and unspeakable.” This quotation is from my manuscript and is fully copyright protected.

“It should . . . be noted that at the time the NEW versions of the bible were being printed, Marxist liberals were tenaciously teaching tolerance as the NEW measure of morality in America from kindergarten through seminary.” This quotation is from my manuscript and is fully copyright protected.

“Self-proclaimed “tolerant” people demand, by forcing changes in our laws that, everyone must tolerate what they choose to tolerate, and yet, at the same time they adamantly refuse to tolerate any opposing views. In other words, these so-called promoters of tolerance – themselves promote and practice the most severe and violent form of intolerance, of all opposing views.” This quotation is from my manuscript and is fully copyright protected.

Therefore, your suspicians and accusations not only do not bother me, I think they speak more to your own low moral character than say anything at all negative about me.
 
Justin B: With sincere and much deserved respect, I don’t believe this is done in a vacuum and what takes place in S.F. does not stay in S.F.; and whether or not it changes anything or whether it is in my own backyard, I must insist that my obligation is to say ‘the Emperor has no clothes,’ or in this case ‘this guy has no male organs.’

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

I don’t believe this is done in a vacuum

Ironic, because after reading the article, it leads me to question if “Good Vibrations” sells anything involving vacuums.  In that case it would be “done with a vacuum”.

At least she is a transsexual, not a simple cross dresser.  Last time I was in SF, I picked up a hooker, and it turns out she was a crossdresser instead of a chick.  Which normally I would be like “ewww”, but it kind of intrigued me.  Turns out that because of her specialty equipment package, she wanted to charge me double.

Net of the story is that I just saved my money and went to this nice Asian bath house.  Fist time I have ever gone to take a bath and felt dirtier coming out of the place then when I went in.

the country’s largest sex toy companies

I am just curious how many of us would care if our commissioner held this CEO position. (not to mention the many other positions she has experience in) 

Thanks for the story Justin.

Before I take that shower, i think i’ll stop by and pickup a few soaps on a rope.

Why should we have less abortions if it’s not really killing someone?

lol….your manuscript?? You just posted it on an internet blog, it has no copyright protection.  That’s the funniest joke I’ve heard in a long time.

Good Vibrations. I’ve seen their ads. They’ve got this one vibrator in the shape of a rubber duck!

Gives a whole new meaning to the Sesame Street song:

Rubby ducky, you’re the one!
You make bath time lots of fun!
Rubber ducky, I’m awfully fond of you!

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Justin B; My sincere apology, rather than follow my attorney’s advice I should have checked with you first on this matter. Thank you so much!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

WTF—

Who the hell is this other “Justin B”?

Don’t come around here and use my name and start some shit dude.

knee-high-man

It only hits a nerve because I have personally witnessed the steady, inevitable moral collapse of this country for over six decades, wherein our world has truly been turned upside down; and while I cannot change anything by myself, I must at every opportunity express my outrage at how far we have fallen and how far we will yet fall into the moral sewer.

Things change. (Hee hee hee.) While it is a horror to experience; as you have expressed, given your groundings ‘in a purer time’; it happens. To expect something else is irrational, no? Its seems that causation may be a difficult concept for Christians though, seeing as their belief-set is opposed to it, or for a maligned version of it.

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

lol….your manuscript?? You just posted it on an internet blog, it has no copyright protection.

Actually, blogs do have copyright protection.  You can’t just rip off something someone else wrote simply because it appears on a website instead of in print.  It is still the intellectual property of the author.

Also Jason B/Justin B…don’t try to spoof other people’s usernames.  It just causes confusion.  If you’re going to say something, use your own name.

Justin, don’t worry.  He can’t log in as you so your avatar and that will allow us to tell the difference between you and the impostor.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

call off your old tired ethics! free sex change surgery for all!

also neiman
sixty years ago, before the moral collapse you refer to, african americans were 2nd class citizens.

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Rob: Thanks for making that clarification. It was the perfect opportunity to lift a couples of my own quotes to test how my writing might be received and I just wanted to note I had obtained copyright protection, and hopefully I will get off my rear soon and get it ready to send out to publishers.

Justin B: I was shocked at your responses and am so glad it wasn’t really you. Rob has mentioned before that pretenders cannot steal your avatar and I should have noticed none was there.

Sparkie: I don’t understand all you wrote, but should we not, Christian or no, resist change that is harmful to ourselves, family and country, without fear of being derided for such self-defense?

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

sixty years ago, before the moral collapse you refer to, african americans were 2nd class citizens.

This statement is irrelevant to the subject; typical leftie distraction in place of reasoned debate.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

r108
Neiman was lamenting the moral slippery slope the US has been on, “for the last six decades”, or something to that effect. It is not irrelevant to point out that the purported morally superior time was one in which African Americans could not vote, go to the same public bathroom as the whites, or ride in the front of the bus. I agree with him insofar as the wars we were fighting in the 40s and 50s were a little more morally sound than the ones we are fighting now. The freedom of each individual in this country to do what they want and succeed is nothing to lament. If this individual is qualified for the job, willing, and capable of taking the responsibility and whatnot; I see no reason why they should not have the job… sex change or no sex change. A sex change is not something that makes the country less moral.

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Sparkie:

sixty years ago, before the moral collapse you refer to, african americans were 2nd class citizens.

You are correct and it was shameful. However, may I point out it was mostly white Christians and white Christian ministers that were at the vanguard of the anti-slavery movement in England and here; and that while many Southern white Christians were not very supportive of the Civil Rights movement, many millions of white Christians were in the lead in opposing our racist policies and attitudes in this country. In other words, we saw slavery and racism as a positive evil and had the moral clarity to say the emperor had no clothes and fight for justice.

Homosexuality and transgendered behavior is not like race, it is a lifetsyle choice and depending upon whether you are a Christian or no, it is either a clear violation of Natural Design or Divine Creation, it brings with it serious health risks to those involved and has a negative inpact on society. Therefore, it is an evil that must be opposed.

Important note: While homosexual behavior is condemned in Scripture and outside Scripture harms human beings; God created every human being, He loves them unconditionally and any hatred toward homosexuals, transgendered people or Lesbians would be a sin. Hating sin (behavior) and genuinely loving every human being God created is not a contradiction!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Sparkie: I believe Neiman was very specific in what he labeled as “moral decay”, and playing the race card has nothing to do with what he wrote.  It’s simply a distraction, like I said.  You really are Chomskyesque, you know.  Look for the bad and characterize that as telling the whole story.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

“Did their constituents by virtue of the popular vote (or electoral college) rightly cast their ballots and elect them to office”

That cleanly brackets the target, right there.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

also neiman sixty years ago, before the moral collapse you refer to, african americans were 2nd class citizens.

also, sparkie, sixty years ago, before the moral collapse referred to, telephones weighed over five pounds and were tied to the wall by a cord! And here! This may add some relevance to your argument, sparkie…the phones were…black!

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A sex change is not something that makes the country less moral.

Really?  What is its effect, then?  I await your logical argument.

As is typical of lefties, you attempt to justify everything on the playing of the race card, when this example has nothing to do with race.  Like comparing so-called “gay marriage” with interracial marriage.  The first one isn’t marriage at all, while the second one is marriage.  Not the same at all.
In the same way, forcing taxpayers to pay for this weirdness isn’t related to racial discrimination at all, but it makes good political theater, if you’re a leftie.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

Sparkie:

A sex change is not something that makes the country less moral

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Nothing that is morally wrong can be politically right. William Ewart Gladstone

The fatal trait of the times is the divorce between religion and morality. Ralph Waldo Emerson

“Morality cannot be legislated but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless.” Martin Luther King, Jr.
“Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.” George Washington
“Respect for the truth comes close to being the basis for all morality.” Frank Herbert
“Our morality seems to be only a check on the ultimate domination of force, just as our politeness is a check on the impulse of every pig to put his feet in the trough.” Oliver Wendell Holmes

“History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed into political and economic decline. There has been either a spiritual awakening to overcome the moral lapse, or a progressive deterioration leading to ultimate national disaster.” Douglas MacArthur, quotes about Morality:

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

I think it would be safe to say that all Christians such as myself know there are extreme cases where people are born with some pretty mixed parts… not only physically, but also mentally. We also agree these people should be respected.

Unfortunately, people like Pilgrim get confused that respecting these people DOESN’T MEAN we should be OK with a sex toy company CEO to running for office.

And don’t slop me with BS about how we shouldn’t tell another state how to vote. If you have been given insight of the truth, __SHAME ON YOU__ for not sharing it with others.

Why should we have less abortions if it’s not really killing someone?

Someone like Theresa Sparks would probably have more character than most of them rolled into one. And that’s why I’m confused

I don’t know, pil, someone that doesn’t even know what sex they are [a really really basic thing] may not be able to make intelligent decisions on other subjectscs as well.  I personally would not be comfortable having such a person in a position of power or leadership.

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

Trans-genders are known pussies….but let’s get tough on crime!

A sex change is not something that makes the country less moral.

Really?  What is its effect, then?  I await your logical argument.

One person’s decision to have a sex change is not an ‘effect’ as such. It is merely one of the benefits to being an American as we Americans have a lot of positive autonomy as long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s negative autonomy. It would be foolish for me to claim that the effect of this one sex change is a freer America or a less moral one. r108 clearly has a big problem with other people’s personal business. Typical nosey, christian republican parenting hypocrite action. Mind your own beeswax, r108. Don’t like a sex change, stay off the operating table.
Am I to infer from all this morality thumping that someone who dumps their ill wife for a fling or just sleeps around for the last 30 years (certain GOP candidates fit these descriptions) would make a bad president because we’ll all get worked up about their personal shit like sixteen year old girls?
Let’s gossip some more tomorrow at my locker! We are like SO morally superior to everyone else! Ha!

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

Will said:

The only thing refreshing was that the article was over.

I seriously want to take a shower now.

My, my….I don’t ever expect everyone to agree with me when I write an opinion piece. That’s the whole thing about ‘opinion’. Everyone has a different one about almost everything. Otherwise sites like this would be a boring place.

But, hey, Will….I didn’t write that piece to entice you into some nasty ol’ perversion. It was basically satire and a slam on our politicians. NOT an endorsement of a lifestyle. Maybe I should have been clearer on that when I wrote it.

BUT…..if it turned you on to the point where you needed a warm shower with your soap on a rope, well, have at it, cowboy. It’s a free country, 21st century and all that.

The future ain’t what it used to be…..

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Transgendered behaviour a lifestyle choice? Not for those who are transsexual it isn’t.

See
Kruijver F.P.M, Zhou J.-N, Pool C.W., Swaab D.F. (2000)
Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus

And many other papers on the subject. It’s a gross simplification, but captures the essence of the syndrome, to say “Female Brain, Male Body”. Or the reverse, “Male Brain, Female Body”.

It’s as much a lifestyle choice as having a cleft palate. The difference is, that those who get surgical treatment for cleft palates don’t get anathematised by medically and scientifically illiterate groups. There’s no talk about “God doesn’t make mistakes” when an infant is born that way. Nor are they told to “bear the thorn in one’s flesh”. The problem gets fixed.

I’m not a resident of SF, but I wouldn’t think merely being the CEO of a sex toy company is a particularly useful qualification for a police chief.

On the other hand, being a member of a minority group who suffers a congenital anomaly, and also has a rate of being murdered 19 times the average, over 5 times higher than the next highest minority group (young urban black males), then I think that is.

From some of the comments here, I think I can see why the murder rate is so high. Not that anyone here would actually kill someone for being transsexual - but they won’t weep too many tears if it happens, and won’t be too concerned if the murderer isn’t caught. Not as much as for a “normal” person, and not a freak.

Oh yes, I admit to being a freak - biologically I am,  I’m intersexed as well as TS. Just don’t call me a Lefty, Ok? That’s fighting talk.

Non-responsive leftie talking points from Sparkie, as usual.  It’s only about personal freedom when the taxpayers aren’t forced to pay for it.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

We also agree these people should be respected.

No more than the average citizen should be respected.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

I know a doctor in Houston who performed that surgery when he was an intern in New Orleans. He said the psychological testing on the patients were extensive. BUT what it did to him he might never know. He said the patients undergoing that are so intent they would do anything to rid themselves of their male appendages. I can’t imagine personally how someone could be so uncomfortable with their own gender that they would go to such great measures to reassign themselves.

Sparky said

One person’s decision to have a sex change is not an ‘effect’ as such. It is merely one of the benefits to being an American as we Americans have a lot of positive autonomy as long as it doesn’t infringe on someone else’s negative autonomy.

Er, not quite. It doesn’t work that way.

First, you have to see a gender specialist - a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist specialising in the area.

Then, after at least three months of diagnostic observation, hormones may be prescribed. Anyone who is merely transvestite or delusional, and who has managed to fool the professional, tends to get upset at the physical changes, the atrophy of the genitalia etc. They stop, and the changes reverse. To the correctly diagnosed TS person, it feels wonderful, they become more productive, more functional, often any co-morbidities vanish.

After some time on hormones, and with a changed appearance from them, the patient then starts the “Real Life Experience”, living in the target gender role. That means changing the name, getting as much documentation as possible changed, and so on. This is a risky and challenging time for those whose appearance doesn’t look so good. Many end up being victims of violence, but that’s just the way things are.

After at least one year of the “RLE”, the patient then gets referred to another specialist, with a PhD in psychiatry, also specialising in the area. The patient must be OK’d for surgery by not one, but two shrinks. They must both be sure that it’s a congenital problem, and not some other syndrome, such as Borderline Personality Disorder, or some delusional psychosis.

Then and only then will a surgeon consider operating on them.

It’s not a matter of “Oh, I think I’ll have a sex change today”. In some ways it’s not even voluntary, the hurdles are so high, with the risk of losing family, home, job, life savings, that only the truly desperate will attempt it. Many fail. Many die. Most of the rest lose at least part of the things they value, often being denied access to their children for example.

But it’s transition, die, or get institutionalised with an increasingly dysfunctional mind. Courage as such is not required. Desperation, determination, and sheer indomitability is.

ZB: You make it sound like some courageous endeavor.  As long as I don’t have to pay for it, do what you want.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

One of my profs in college was in the beginning stages of the transsexual process and I don’t consider him when I think of transsexuals. Male, female or transsexual ... the guy was a nut case and certainly not one I would want to base my overall opinion on. I guess it just goes to show you there’s an odd one in every group.
Zoe Brain ... my point about the commissioner being the CEO of that Co. is it probably would not be tolerated or acceptable in any other communities simply because most places,  umm ... simply wouldn’t.

That is the rub. If it paid for this operation itself, I DON’T CARE. If it is being constantly monitored for its mental stability wouldn’t that pretty well disqualify it for holding a position of authority in law enforcement? On that point I CARE. This is a dangerous precedent. Placing in a senior position of authority a person who is demonstrably mentally unstable enough to change their gender is a very bad idea.

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Zsa Zsa wrote:

I can’t imagine personally     how someone could be so uncomfortable with their own gender that they would go to such great measures to reassign themselves.

The point is, they are comfortable with their gender. It’s the fact that their bodies don’t match their gender that causes the discomfort.

Perhaps you would be perfectly comfortable if you had a male body. Beard, body hair, genitalia, the works. You’d still know you were female, of course, and would have known since age 4-7. You’d have exactly the same feelings and emotions as you do now, though the testosterone would be warping your mind, and you’d know it. It feels horrible, perverse even. And it gets worse with age, female pattern brains don’t work too well with a male hormonal mix. Think of the worst menopausal symptoms imaginable, all the time, for 30 years. See now why many are so desperate to get the problem fixed?

robert108 wrote:

as long as I don’t have to pay for it,  do what you want.

Of course we have to pay for it ourselves! It’s not covered by medicare, and if you look at your insurance policy, you’ll see a specific exclusion for anything to do with sex reassignment, or its consequences. Many insurance companies refuse all claims after sex reassignment, on the grounds that the broken leg or whatever may possibly not have happened   if there’d been no surgery.

And the IRS is now claiming that it isn’t tax deductible, that it’s just cosmetic. Of course the same government insists that surgery be perfomed before they will issue a passport in the correct gender. And it’s a precondition to getting the birth certificate changed. Though 3 states won’t change the BC anyway. They make lesbian marriages legal, as long as one of the women is TS.

Would you say the same if the surgery was to correct a cleft palate?

That procedure is much more than plastic surgery or any other type of surgery. Transexuals have to prepare themselves for a new world. Does their birth certificate become invalid? When they get a passport how does that work? Does Soc. sec recognize them as the same person? Their whole identity is changed in that one procedure. Sounds like alot of paper work and red tape…

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What you said is quite ironic. No-one who is “mentally unstable” qualifies for surgery.

On the other hand, individuals who refer to other human beings as “It” bring to mind Buffalo Bill in “The Silence of the Lambs”. Many shrinks would think such a person may well be in need of therapy.

I don’t. I don’t even think you’re particularly bigoted. Just very, very ignorant of the medical facts. But that’s pardonable, most people are. I was, until I did some research.

It was as long ago as 2003 that a comprehensive judicial review of the scientific evidence was conducted by the Full Bench of the Family Court of Australia. Here’s what was found in the “re Kevin” case:

At paragraph [252]: ‘The traditional analysis that they are “psychologically” transsexual does not explain how this state came about. For example, there seems to be no suggestion in the evidence that their psychological state can be explained by reference to circumstances of their upbringing. In that sense, the brain sex theory does not seem to be competing with other explanations, but rather is providing a possible explanation of what is otherwise inexplicable’.

At paragraph [253]: ‘In other words (as I understand it) the brain of an individual may in some sense be male, for example, though the rest of the person’s body is female’.

At paragraph [268]: ‘It seems quite wrong to think of these people as merely wishing or preferring to be of the opposite sex, or having the opinion that they are’.

At paragraph [270]: ‘But I am satisfied that the evidence now is inconsistent with the distinction formerly drawn between biological factors, meaning genitals, chromosomes and gonads, and merely “psychological factors”, and on this basis distinguishing between cases of inter-sex (incongruities among biological factors) and transsexualism (incongruities between biology and psychology)’.

At paragraph [272]: ‘In my view the evidence demonstrates (at least on the balance of probabilities) that the characteristics of transsexuals are as much “biological” as those of people thought of as inter-sex’.

At paragraph [136]: ‘I agree with Ms Wallbank that in the present context the word “man” should be given its ordinary contemporary meaning. In determining that meaning, it is relevant to have regard to many things that were the subject of evidence and submissions. They include the context of the legislation, the body of case law on the meaning of “man” and similar words, the purpose of the legislation, and the current legal, social and medical environment. These matters are considered in the course of the judgment.  I believe that this approach is in accordance with common sense, principles of statutory interpretation, and with all or virtually all of the authorities in which the issue of sexual identity has arisen. As Professor Gooren and a colleague put it:-

“There should be no escape for medical and legal authorities that these definitions ought to be corrected and updated when new information becomes available, particularly when our outdated definitions bring suffering to some of our fellow human beings”.’

She’s a She, not an It. Another piece of irony: you typed your comment using a personal computer, a piece of technology that would have been impossible without an invention by Professor Emerita Lynn Conway. She too was born with this condition. Why not go to her webpage and see just how many medics, scientists, and engineers there are who make no secret of their medical history. I’m just a plain old rocket scientist, still working on my PhD. Unlike, say, the chief scientist of NASA’s Aimes Research Labs.

It’s thanks to people like you that most live in Stealth, trying to hide their past.

Would you say the same if the surgery was to correct a cleft palate?

Are you really trying to make an equivalence here?

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

A cleft palate and a transgender operation are not in the same catagory at all.

robert108 wrote:

Are you really trying to make an equivalence here?

Equivalence? Not really. Similarity though.

Given that between 30% (California survey) and 90% (Western Australia survey) die if unable to obtain treatment when the condition becomes acute, then an Equivalence would be surgery to remedy a congenital heart defect. The usual reason for being unable to obtain treatment is lack of funds.

That’s the whole thing about ‘opinion’.

I didn’t say you couldn’t have one, I just thought there were some things that couldn’t be left unchallenged.

It was basically satire and a slam on our politicians. NOT an endorsement of a lifestyle. Maybe I should have been clearer on that when I wrote it.

I thought you were being pretty honest and considerate, and I gave you credit for that in my first response. Being transgender does not and should not need to be the story. When your business is a sex toy store, it reinforces the headline and you’re not helping matters.

Why should we have less abortions if it’s not really killing someone?

But give me a social and fiscal conservative transgender person anyday over Rudy.

Why should we have less abortions if it’s not really killing someone?

Zsa Zsa wrote:

Transexuals have to prepare themselves for a new world. Does their birth certificate become invalid? When they get a passport how does that work? Does Soc. sec recognize them as the same person? Their whole identity is changed in that one procedure. Sounds like a lot of paper work and red
tape…

You said it. Procedures for name changing differ from state to state, procedures for changing BC’s ditto. In some states, you just pay a small fee, get a police check, and the name is changed. In others, with name changes you are at the mercy of a Judge, who may not consent just because he doesn’t approve of this kind of thing, no matter what the eggheads and doctors say. In Illinois, for a BC change, the surgery has to be performed by a surgeon registered to practice there, or it doesn’t count. Ohio and Tennessee won’t change BCs at all, and if you’re in Texas, some counties will, some won’t. Texas state law says they should, that circuit court just ignores that.

I was born in the UK, and my BC says that I’m a 49 year old male. Now look at my avatar, an unretouched picture of me taken a few months ago. See my problem?

My UK passport on the other hand says “female”.

Medicare Australia, immediately before I transitioned, decided on the basis of my medical tests that I had to be female, as no male could have those results. As I said, not only am I TS, I’m intersexed too. I can’t get an Australian passport of any kind, they don’t issue them to Transgendered people.

The legal situation is a mess, no matter which nation you live in.

But give me a social and fiscal conservative transgender person anyday over Rudy.

Ha!!! LOL! You made my point. I think our elected cockroaches - and most of the candidate wannabes - are pretty creepy people, their disingenousness and slithering obvious to anyone who just takes a good look.

Character-wise I think we’ve hit bottom in Washington.

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lol, yeah, I’d rather have someone in office with a brain, a male organ and a pair of breasts than a president with an enlarged male organ, no breasts, and no brain.

I think we’re speaking the same language now. But still, I’d want them to convert their Sex Toy Store into a home, say, for unwed mothers

Why should we have less abortions if it’s not really killing someone?

Look, imagine you were confused about gender roles and who you were.  You live in a society that does not tolerate this kind of behavior.  Furthermore, you live in a family that does not tolerate it.

It is this constant internal struggle between being who you think you are and being what everyone else wants you to be.

I want you to be normal.  But clearly as a man who longs to be and honestly believes he is a woman, that does not fit the traditional definition of “normal” by most standards.  It certainly is not even close among the deeply religious.  But hiding it does not make you any more normal.  It makes you deeply self loathing because you cannot be who you think you really are.  And having surgery is usually going to completely drive off every single person you ever have known or had a relationship with—family, friends, co-workers.  You want to move across country, change your name (which you already did), and completely leave the world behind.  You want to find acceptance.

The problem is that we (as the regular society) do not and probably never will offer acceptance for a behavior that so clearly violates the cultural norms.  This is not like being black.  This is probably not even the equivalent of deciding you are gay.  Imagine doing something 1000x more difficult than coming out as gay.  We are used to that.  We may not like that, but we know all kinds of gays.

It is some weird shit, but these people need our support (though I do not believe support equates to our agreement or justification).  Simply our compassion.  I don’t believe that the kind of psychological trauma that the surgery, hormonal changes, and the past experiences of a lifetime of problems associated with gender role issues make these people—NORMAL.  These are people that have tortured and tormented lives and I don’t know if surgery makes it better, but I am inclined not to take that chance when I comes to electing them to police commissioner.

Zoe Brain…Do you consider this a disease?

It is some weird shit, but these people need our support (though I do not believe support equates to our agreement or justification).  Simply our compassion.

Bingo. Compassion does not equate to support. Further, my compassion does not extend to the phonies, the flamers, the gay pride in-your-face-if-you-don’t-like-my-lifestyle-then-you’re-a-bigot morons.

Despite some of the more hard line stances on this issue the fact is that compassion and understanding have helped to make this country great every bit as much as any other factor.

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I think it would be pretty cool to be a man at times. Especially if you are out hiking! It would be so much easier to relieve yourself… Men are so cool that way.

It ain’t all it is cracked up to be.  It is just like being a soldier.  Having a gun is great, but if you can’t aim the damned thing, just being able to fire it isn’t much of a compliment.

HA!...I thought all you had to do was take it out and psshhh…

Compassion is a two way street.  The rainbow flag hoisting ball gag wearing misfit in chaps and bondage gear marching in a pride parade isn’t being compassionate for my children and family.

His “pride” isn’t pride at all.  It is anger at society.  Just like we shouldn’t be dragging guys behind trucks (which is so rare) and just like families should tell their kids to “get out and never come back” when they come out, gays have an obligation to be compassionate to us and our feelings too.

Homosexuality is a choice.  Transexualism is a choice.  Maybe not a biological choice—maybe you are born that way.  But how you behave and your actions are a choice.  And following up a choice that society is not accepting of with militant anti-society behavior directed against the rest of who simply value virtue, monogamy (at least nominally that is the societal standard), God, and so foth, does little to achieve acceptance.  In many cases this makes it so much worse.  Not for me or for them that are marching, but for me accepting and loving a family member or friend when they come out.  Thinking of my brother or sister hoisting a rainbow flag in a pride parade wearing leather bondage gear is a hell of a lot different than thinking of the same person settling into the suburbs, owning a home, being monagamous, finding someone they love and can relate to, and reintegrating into society.

Justin B. said:

  But how you behave and your actions are a choice.

Again, BINGO. Sexual preference does not nullify class. Or dignity. Those gay pride flag wavers show neither in their thongs and chaps.

For every one of those clowns out there making cartoon parodies of themselves there are many more gay couples who sit at home with their partners and live their lives quietly, with the above mentioned class and dignity.

THOSE are the people I’m talking about when I say I don’t care about sexual preference. Not the bondage harness wearing fool.

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zoe, a person so mentally screwed up they want to surgically change from one sex to the other should not be running a metropolitan police force. That is a highly stressful position to start with, and enough people doing it are unstable to begin with. Lets not be trying to cross the river in a boat half full of water.

And spare me the psycho-babble crap.

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A cleft palate (operation) and a transgender operation are not in the same catagory at all.

Why is there a difference between craniofacial abnormalities and intersexual abnormalities ... as far as category? Both are abnormalities that require surgery in order to become “normal”.

I have never really equated my genetalia to a cleft palate, though I have thought about placing mine in one.

Perhaps it would be a excellent idea for some here to research intersexual abnormalities before continuing the conversation.
If I remember right there are around 15 or more medical intersexual abnormalities and I don’t even think that accounts for the females that are not XX and males that are not XY.

Justin B
You know what I mean!

A correction for a deformity and a genitalia reassignment are not the same are they? Are transexuals born with deformed genitalia? OR is it an emotional, psychological, mental disorder? I don’t know. Does a person who requests and feels the need for this type of surgery have a disease of some sort? OR is there something more to it? I don’t see a correcting a clef palate in the same catagory.

OH ...so it is a chromosone deformity?

There is a vast variety of medical abnormalities that relate to gender.
Unfortunately, majority of society believes transsexuals are driven merely by a desire to have sex with the similar gender.

It would be so much easier to relieve yourself… Men are so cool that way.

AND, dear Zsa Zsa: You can write your name in the snow!

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Proof, I never thought of that. How much fun!

Hermaphrodites have male and female genitals and secondary sexual characteristics must be considered to allow them to choose a permanent gender assignment. It is a birth defect, very complicated emotionally and often gender assignment by removing one genital structure and using hormone therapy is delayed until the person has sufficient maturity to make their own choice, although until recent decades the parents made that choice for them shortly after birth to avoid the even worse emotional conflicts durign their growing years.

Malformations of sexual genitalia are likewise a birth defect, but gender assignment is not in question, just surgical and sometime pharmacological intervention.

Transsexualism is when a person: A. Emotionally identifies themselves as being of the opposite gender that their sexual organs seem to dictate. Until recent decades such men were labelled sissy (momma’s) boys or the girls were tomboys or butch. These people may dress and act like they are of the opposite gender, but sexually function with the organs of birth. B. So strongly identifies themselves as being of the opposite gender that their sexual organs appear to dictate, and they are determined to live like the opposite gender, so they choose surgery and hormonal therapy to make their sexual organs and physiology more closely match their emotional gender preference.

With hermaphrodites or sexual organ malformations it is not a matter of lifestyle choice, medical intervention is required and there are no social/moral dilemmas involved.

With transsexuals they were clearly born physically to be of one gender and one gender only; and because of severe emotional conflicts, raher than seek psychiatric help to adjust to their sexual organs, they deliberately choose to change their gender assignment that they might engage in the sexual lifestyle of that gender. If you think about it, a man changing to be a woman is a man with homosexual desires and a feminine personality, a woman is a lesbian with a masculine pesonality. I must add for clarity that homosexuals or lesbians can, in a number of cases have an emotional make-up that matches their gender, but because of various psychological problem in their youth, molestation or other factors, they simply cannot stand to have intimate physical contact with their own gender, and choose to engage in such intimacy with others of their own gender.

Nonetheless, in the case of transsexuals, homosexuals and lesbians, as with anyone else having an abnormal sexual or other desire, they can choose to act or not act on those perverse desires and if they choose to act on them, then it does involve social/moral problems of the first magnitude. Further, while it is wrong to hate, be violent or even angry at people making those lifestyle choices; society has always asserted a right to not recognize those desires and behaviorisms as being normal, demanding children not have to confront it in the public square and in general making sure a sense of shame is attached to it that people with those desires in future generations are less likely to act out in public or private.

This is hardly exhaustive, but may prove helpful to some.

In this case, a transsexual in a high profile public position has been given the moral imprimatuer of the city and state to flaunt what should be private behavior and an aberrant lifestyle choice.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Actually, that should be “In ANY case” no one in a high profile position should be flaunting their private matters .. well, I guess that goes for any and all people too.

A possible Problem with a Transsexual Police Commissioner, how about forcing city employees to either violate their conscience or losing their jobs if the they do not support homosexual conduct?

Four firefighters are suing the city of San Diego for being forced by their superiors to attend the annual “Gay Pride” parade where they endured a barrage of sexual taunts and lewd gestures.

San Diego’s fire chief, Tracy Jarman, is an open lesbian who called the July 21 parade a “fun event” in which “all employees are encouraged to participate.”

But the firefighters said, unlike previous years, they were ordered into uniform to participate in the parade in their fire truck, despite their repeated protests.

The firefighters’ legal counsel, the Thomas More Law Center, said the men were “left with the Hobson’s choice of either violating their conscience or being disciplined for disobeying a direct order.”

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Being a transexual doesn’t necessarily make you homosexual does it?

Zsa Zsa: Yes it does!

Transsexual means having the genitals of let’s say a man and wanting them removed to sexually appear to be a woman. Who will that man with an artificial vagina have sexual intercourse with, women? No, they feel like they are women and want to receive the male genitalia in a female appearing sexual orifice. So, we have a guy, now absent a penis having a artificial vagina having sex with other males, sounds like homosexuality to me. You see he was and still is a guy, despite hormones and no penis and he is having sexual desires and relationships with other guys and I think we call that homosexuality.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman,

With hermaphrodites or sexual organ malformations it is not a matter of lifestyle choice, medical intervention is required and there are no social/moral dilemmas involved.

What do they use to decide what gender is correct?

Anna: It is not based on purely objective science, it involves examining other physical characteristics, the appearance of a more feminine or more masculine physiology other than genitalia. When the choice is made after puberty the presence of fatty adipose tissue deposits around the breasts, buttocks, stomach; location, amounts and types of hair deposits, just for example very hairy arms might indicate more testosterone and a male gender. Of course, by puberty the person by how they normally choose to dress, their physical actions and their feelings about their true gender identity would be determinative. In some very few cases up until a few decades ago - more now, the hermaphrodite may choose to keep both sexual genital organs their entire lives, being true switch hitters so to speak; but amazingly except for their penis many of these dual-tool hermaphrodites tend to be very feminine physically and emotionally.

I have no real expertise in this field, I am leaning mostly on things I have learned in my paraprofessional and allied health care background education and experiences and the many articles on this subject I have read. So, I am absolutely sure that people dealing with this matter professionally could provide you with more specific information, as could a good internet search.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

You have listed traits and personality as factors. Those are basically the same as what most transsexuals base their gender on also. Seems like unless it’s a visual abnormality then it’s not an abnormality?
I guess that explains why epileptics used to be locked in mental hospitals ... because society knew it was all in their heads.

Anna: I most respectfully disagree!

1. Epileptics have a physical abnormality in the brain which often causes violent or what is called grand mal seizures; and until that fact was determined by advances in medical science, the professionals were left with no choice but to institutionalize something they could not diagnose.
2. In the case of Hermaphrodites, we are talking about external observations by medical professionals to try and help the patient with both sexual organs to determine which gender best fits the overall physiological traits and characteristics they observe and measure.
3. Transsexuals are basing their lifestyle choice and decison for gender reassignment solely upon their emotions, whether they feel more like a woman than a man or vice versa; although it should be noted that females changing to males represent such a small number that when compared to the total so-called trassexual population the latter group is statistically insignificant. The problem here is not physiologic but psychological, by every physical measurement they are one and only one specific gender and it is only by what they say they feel that they determine they have the wrong sexual organs. I would submit that a more emotionally feminine man, which factor is usually caused by environment, having homosexual lusts falsely believe they have the wrong genitalia and choose to change their sexual organs to match their feelings. But, first to last transsexualism is a matter or emotions and choice and not dictated by any genetic predisposition.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Proof, You forgot the cardinal rule of male peeing.
“Never pee into the wind”

Who will that man with an artificial vagina have sexual intercourse with, women? No, they feel like they are women and want to receive the male genitalia in a female appearing sexual orifice.

I really don’t see the connection.  The genitals that a person has do not necessarily determine the person that they want to have sex with.  Maybe the dudes want their junk chopped off so that they can have incredible sex with lesbians…

I could give two shits less why they choose to do it, nor could I care who they choose to have sex with before or afterwards.  Who you sleep with and what your genitals look like are not my business.

But I do care about the fact that this person is serving in a very sensitive position and their actions as well as the company they run have serious implications in how they do their job.  It cannot be good for morale for every single person in the room to want to see what is going on down there.  I ain’t saying I want to have SEX WITH a tranny, but damn, dude, I want to see what the doctors can do with that.  How the hell do I salute and say Yes Sir…Ma’am… etc., to a chick that used to have a cock.  Only in San Francisco would the people of the city elect a person that just brings so many questions into the picture.

Anyone think that SF did this solely as a protest to get folks like us talking about what degenerate F*cks they are up there?  That this is like wearing a ball gag, chaps, and a rainbow top while self-flagulating with a feather?  F*ers did this just to get our dumb asses talking about it and saying exactly that we are saying so that they can turn around at the NMBLA meetings and Gay Pride events and talk about what bigots the “breeders” are.

Maybe the dudes want their junk chopped off so that they can have incredible sex with lesbians…

I ain’t saying I want to have SEX WITH a tranny, but damn, dude, I want to see what the doctors can do with that.

It is impossible to have an intelligent, civil debate of any sensitive issue when someone can say something this incredibly stupid and it is worse if they actually believe it.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

You forgot the cardinal rule of male peeing.
“Never pee into the wind”

Dear Anna: Unspoken is not the same as forgetting!

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Pissing into the wind. That term always makes me think of the movie Captains Courageous. Can anyone think of why?

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That’s funny, a Christian says to homosexual “I love you, but your going to hell.”

When ever I turn on the news and I see a bunch of queers skipping down the New York City streets in there fruit loop costumes, it upsets the hell out of me. But what upsets me even more is when teachers preach there fucking “Theres nothing wrong with them, there just like you and me” bullshit to young grade schoolers.

The Board of Education’s Rainbow Curriculum really brought out curses from my mouth. And now sane people are being labeled as homophobic, like if we’re the one’s with the mental problems. I suggest we put them all on some island, where they can be happy and have a parade everyday if they want.

I say we elect these queers to the front of the firing line, if they wish to take a position in office. What is this world coming to? homosexuals were once berated by Archie Bunker, now there cherished in almost every T.V. sitcom.

That’s funny, a Christian says to homosexual “I love you, but your going to hell.”

I’m a Christian and I don’t say that.  Only God can determine whether they go to hell or not.  However, God did not treat Sodom and Gomorha lightly and you know what their principle sin was, don’t you?

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

San Diego Firefighters File Complaint for Being Forced to Attend Gay Pride Parade

Firefighters filed a sexual harassment complaint against the city’s fire department last week after being forced to attend the parade in uniform despite objections they made to superiors.

F***ing liberals!

So much ignorance, so little time…

There are not dozens, but hundreds of different Intersex conditions. To me, the most amazing are not even the 1 in 1 million who are fertile hermaphrodites, it’s the 1 in 100,000 who are serial hermaphrodites. These people usually have 5ARD or 17BHD deficiency (Google it). They are born looking like baby girls, but masculinise at puberty. There are rarer conditions where someone can look male for much of their life (well, mainly male), then start looking female (well, mainly female). That’s about 1 in 3.5 million, we think.

The best estimates are that 1 in 3000 women and 1 in 10,000 men have this condition. The number of FtoMs is not “statistically insignificant”, it’s just that they get less publicity.

68% of TS women are lesbian before surgery, 32% afterwards. So the comment about “it’s always so they can have sex with guys” is contrary to the facts.

A large proportion (24%) are celibate after the surgery. Partly that’s because of the risk of violence, partly because some don’t look so good, and partly because of psychological hangups. 9% are asexual. It’s not about sex, it’s about having a body that matches the brain.

Pychiatric therapy has been as successful at curing Transsexuality as it has been curing epilepsy. Or for that matter, heart defects. It can sometimes help the patient live with it and find coping strategies, that’s all.

Guys, imagine you had a nasty accident, and were bobbitised. A surgeon offers you re-attachment, and a shrink offers you therapy that might help you with it, in an attempt to turn you gay so you don’t mind it so much. Which would you choose? And would it be a real choice?

Now it just so happens that I’m one of those rare 1 in 3.5 million, my transition was pretty much forced on me. April 2005 I had my Gender Dydphoria under control. Women with a male-ish body? Ok, so what? Worse things happen at sea. By the end of July 2005, I was getting homophobic threats, people calling me a “Drag King” and “Butch Dyke”. I no longer “passed” as male. So I transitioned, and the relief was indescribable. The point is, the psych tests showed I was a typical TS woman, and I identify as that, rather than Intersexed. The only difference is that I didn’t have the courage, or desperation, to transition as others do. My case was mild in comparison.

It was also Hellish. I can’t imagine what most go through, nor how they can stand it for so long. Many don’t, of course.

May I suggest that those giving their opinions do a bit of research first? Lynn Conway’s site is a good beginning.

The majority of people with HBS - Harry Benjamin’s Syndrome - commonly called Transsexuality or Congenital Neurlogical Intersex - are very uncomfortable with being lumped in with the GLB and transgendered crowd. Virtually all Intersexed people are too. But we weren’t consulted. Some of us are Gay, others Lesbian, but that has nothing to do with our medical condition. We accept the criticism by the GLBT lobby that we’re out to affirm gender norms, not violate them. Not to be “Gender Outlaws” or exhibitionists, just ... men and women with an unusual medical history.

I don’t know. I can quote scientific research papers, statistics, medical articles, even Judicial assessments of the situation, Facts and Figures and they get ignored as Psychobabble, simply because they contradict ignorant prejudice. “I know what I know, it’s common sense, don’t confuse me with the facts!”

I’m used to getting that from the Left, being told that Science is just a patriarchal tool of oppression, no more valid than mere opinion. To get it from the Right is disheartening.

Look, just go down to the library, and borrow a copy of the “Praeger Handbook of Transsexuality”, written by a Professor of Psychology. Or see Prof Conway’s site. Then give an informed opinion. Please.

Please tell me why I should read anything pertaining to your ambiguous,Androgynous unfortunate calamity? Really If I had my way I would exterminate all of you, If it makes you feel any better I would exterminate everyone who turns sixty years of age as well, why? to make room for the normal,healthy young people.

Some of the Sources - just to show that I’m not trying to blind with science, or baffle with BS:

Sexuality before and after Male to Female Sex Reassignment Surgery (PDF) Lawrence A.(2006)

Transsexuals want out of GLBT SF Bay Times, Oct 12 2006

Changing your sex changes your brain: influences of testosterone and estrogen on adult human brain structure European Journal of Endocrinology, Vol 155 Hulshoff Pol H.E, Cohen-Kettenis P.T., Van Haren N.E.M, Peper J.S., Brans R.G.H, Cahn W., Schnack H.G., Gooren L.G.J., Kahn R.S. (2006)

A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality.(PDF) Zhou J.-N, Hofman M.A, Gooren L.J, Swaab D.F (1997)

Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus(PDF) Kruijver F.P.M, Zhou J.-N, Pool C.W., Swaab D.F. (2000)

Frequency of Transsexualism Conway L. (2002)

Harry Benjamin Syndrome Informational Resource

Re Kevin In Perspective Deakin Law Review 2004 vol 22

Neiman - Homosexuality and transgendered behavior is not like race, it is a lifetsyle choice…

Not everybody choses. Did you chose? I didn’t. I just happened to be born straight and male. Others are born transgendered or gay.

...it is either a clear violation of Natural Design or Divine Creation…

How is it clear? There are billions of people with all of the variety that nature/God brings.

...it brings with it serious health risks to those involved…

The biggest health risk that transgendered suffer under is mental. It tends to happen to people who were born with women’s minds and men’s bodies.

...and has a negative inpact on society. Therefore, it is an evil that must be opposed.

They don’t affect me.

I also don’t begrudge them their lot in life. It can’t be an easy one - gender dysphoric, born with a female’s mind and a male’s body, and tons of people all pointing at them and telling them that they’re “negative” and “harmful”. All they really want is to live their lives.

Some of ya’ll need to lay off. People such as Zoe Brain commenting up above didn’t choose their lot in life. It chose them.

Zoe Brain: I made it clear I was giving a very brief, simplistic overview and I was not representing myself as an expert in the field, so if you can read the English words I used and posted above, then get over yourself and your ignorant accusations.

Being a transsexual does not make you an expert on anything but your own personal experiences. The numbers you use are about as accurate and reliable as the estimates of the numbers of homosexuals in this country, it has always been wildly overestimated in order to try and justify liberal political activism. Most, if not all of the available published studies are from liberal university scholars and investigators, they are therefore highly biased for many reasons, not the least of which they will not get published and advance their careers if they produce results that run contrary to the politically correct assumptions in this country.

All but a microspcopic number of men, if indeed they exist at all, seeking sexual reassignment through surgery and hormone therapy have sexual desires for men, they are not trying to lob off their penis to then wear a dildo and get it on with women. They feel (emotion based sexual identity) they are female and they want their sexual organs to reflect that self impression; and as a male changed into what they falsely think is a woman, they want to be the recipients of male to female sexual relations. Woman seeking sexual reassignment have sexual desires for women and they get a penis stapled on, falsely thinking they are then a man and they want to engage in male to female sexual intercourse. In other words the guys have sexual feelings for guys and the women have sexual desires for women before they get sexually reassigned, they still have sexual desires for the same gendered people after suregry, so why in the hell would they suddenly change to being attracted to the opposite gender which did not attract them before surgery?

I must add, as I said earlier, nothing in life is that simple,  there are variations that exist; but in general they proceed along the path I have outlined. As to women gaining sexual reassignment being statistically insignificant, you say it is all about publicity and may even produce manufactured liberal data to allegedly support that false claim; so until hard (pardon the pun), objective scientific data is available, I will stand by my statement.

WETBACK SAID:

“That’s funny, a Christian says to homosexual “I love you, but your going to hell.”

That statement is manufactured out of your anti-Christian bias and gross ignorance. 1. Everyone and anyone not accepting Christ as their personal savior are not condemned to hell by God, they go there by their own Free Will choice. 2. Christians are commanded not to judge anyones eternal fate, as even if we were right at the moment, not having God’s knowledge we could easily be wrong in the final analysis and have hurt someone unnecessarily. 3. God loves every one He created, Jesus died to save them all because He is God and loves every human being; therefore, no true Christian would every act in hate or condemn anyone to hell, rather they would love everyone, including homosexuals, Lesbians and transgendered people unconditionally just as God loves and forgives us, as we are as to our flesh, no better than the worst sinner.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

WETBACK,

the normal,healthy young people.

You just excluded yourself from your own life. You may be young and healthy but you are so far from anything considered normal ya stink

Wetback - thanks for saying “please”.

I can think of a few reasons. The first is that those with HBS have a 2 standard deviation (and how appropriate that phrase is) increase in IQ, we think. Maybe it’s just that those with IQs averaging less than 130 don’t survive puberty. We’re creative too. Anyway, we’re useful. A lot of us go in the military as well. We’re good at it, and we’re expendable. When your life is hell, when you can’t get your problem fixed without hurting those you most care about, well, you try to find a way of making your life - or death - worthwhile.

See the article on the possible evolutionary usefulness of some expendable human soldier-ants/brain bugs over at Intersexualite.org

A population of highly stressed and struggling paleolithic humans, perhaps at some great impasse, might well be saved by the cross-hormonally induced birth of transsexual members. A hyper intelligent and creative disposable personage would be the most likely to try new things, even highly dangerous things, things that no ordinary individual would think to try. The tormented transsexual would have less to lose, and be less of a loss to the gene pool if the new idea had fatal results. Ultimately, the transsexual would be very likely to find a solution, a way, that would otherwise be missed.

I suggest that transsexuality is a natural function, a way for human animals to produce a subset of their population effectively suited to discovering new and useful survival options, with minimal loss to the genetic pool overall.

In effect, the transsexual is Nature’s Little Wild Card. The disposable enhanced Survival Scout, who tends to be generated in proportion to the overall stress the population endures, and which serves a valuable function in the scheme of basic animal survival.
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Admittedly, it is a cold and mechanical value, but then I asked the reader to consider it from the Blind Watchmaker’s position, the dispassionate and living machinery of Nature.

I submit, that from the position of pure survival, of cold hard reality, that gender Dysphoria may well be a useful evolutionary development…a “deliberate” (as though Nature had the faculty of choice!) mistake that can serve a vital function for the survival of the Whole, with no concern whatsoever for the agony of the individual.

The second reason is that there’s a 1 in 6500 chance (at least) that any child you might have will be a victim of this syndrome. Personally, I’m not sure whether people like you should reproduce, but that’s just a personal opinion based on your comments. Do you really want to do the whole Auschwitz thing? Come on, societal pressure already kills off most of us, you want to make it complete? If so, you’re not exactly Robinson Crusoe, many feel as you do. Fortunately only a comparatively small minority take action in that regard, most just stick to beatings and the like, not extermination.

You said “please”. The real psychopaths don’t do that, they see us as not merely subhuman, but immoral filth to be cleansed from society. “It”, not He or She.

In 1930 Germany, the appointment of a Jewish Police Commissioner would have been equally as controversial. After 1932 of course, it would have been impossible.