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No, Rush has just spent almost 20 years lying every day on the radio for 4 hours. Limbaugh regularly spreads information about the left that is simply made up, regularly denigrates women and minorities and in general pollutes our society. It would take 1 million Fahrenheit 9/11s for Moore to be a tenth of the scum Limbaugh is.

Rush can’t be the equivilant of Moore-- he doesn’t make movies and claim they are documentaries only so long as you don’t point out the obvious falsehoods.

Poor poor little Oliver.  Say Oliver, there’s this thing we call reality.  You might want to check into it, if they ever let you out of that straightjacket.

Nice typing with your nose, by the way.  Not too many people could master that the way you have, creating posts with no grammatical/spelling errors that are still so batshit crazy.

Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter (I mention her only because I’m dead certain that the Leftards in the audience are even now putting down her picture and frantically cleaning the lube off their hands while that oh so comical guilty expression wanders across what they are pleased to call their faces) are far from being the Right’s Micheal Moore and Al Franken, in that they both have a very healthy regard for reality.

The Truth, one might even say.

If the Left in America ever develops that same regard, I might vote for something besides a mostly straight Republican ticket, with the occasional Libertardian thrown in for good measure.

Oliver, I’d love to see a specific “lie” from Rush… I would love to see it… you got one?  Since he “Lies everyday” it should be easy for you to find…

Please… Show me one “LIE”.  A “Lie”, by the way, is something “you know to be false but say it’s true anyway.”

Oliver spits out, “No, Rush has just spent almost 20 years lying every day on the radio for 4 hours.”

Really?  You should be full of ready examples then.  I’ll wait for your googling of some inane “lie” now.

Limbaugh regularly spreads information about the left that is simply made up...

Like what Oliver?

...regularly denigrates women and minorities...

He does?  When and where?  What did he say?

It would take 1 million Fahrenheit 9/11s for Moore to be a tenth of the scum Limbaugh is.

Egh.  You’re pretty angry.  Why don’t you just run on back to your liberal plantation now.

Liar
Limbaugh: “Nobody ever said there was” a connection between Iraq, 9-11 attacks

Bigot
Limbaugh: Openly gay students are “trumpeting” their sexuality, “inviting dissent”

More slime
Limbaugh claimed “John Kerry really doesn’t think 3,000 Americans dead in one day is that big a deal”

Tons more here, not that I think you morons are capable of simple comprehension.

A subtle take to Oliver’s comment:
Rush: The Right’s Michael Moore.
By comparing michael moore to Rush is he
putting down Rush? Or by comparing Rush to michael moore is he putting down michael? In other words, since Rush has lied 20 years x 3 hours does that give michael a pass to lie for the next 18 years?  You are saying they both are liars are you not?

What’s the point Oliver shooting your own guy just to shoot the enemy?

That’s an interesting take, mostlyright.  Good thinking!

Oliver,

Sorry… I don’t see where Rush was wrong on the “Lie” story.  If you look at the quote, Cheney said ”If we’re successful in Iraq ... we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9-11.” which doesn’t sound like ”Iraq and 9/11 are linked” to me.  Media Matters is not a credible source of news, if you ask me… Soros funds it…

There was no one in the Whitehouse that claimed 9/11 and Iraq had a “DIRECT” connection.  They had some circumstantial connections, and circumstantial evidence is enough to convict a murderer.  *I* never believed that there was a direct connection.  Media Matters throws in “POLLS” to make their case.  Sorry, I can not accept poll data to “Prove” that the Whitehouse linked 9/11 and Iraq.  Give me a quote from the Administration that links 9/11 and Iraq.  The fact is that there were some dealings between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

#2 - Bigot… So ???  There are a lot of gays that “Trumpet” their sexuality.  No ONE, including Heterosexuals, should be “trumpeting” their sexuality in schools.  It’s not the right place. 

And for #3 and a lot of the rest, John Kerry is a slime ball.  Sorry that you guys picked a loser for the election.  Lieberman would have been a much better candidate.

Don’t get me wrong.  Rush is a hard core right-winger.  I disagree with some of his musings, but he’s a RADIO TALK SHOW HOST… He has less influence than Dan Rather when it comes to politics.  Rush, just gets his facts straight most of the time… 96% or 97% accurate, I believe was the last number I heard.

How about some actual, straight up lies from Rush?

I also fail to see how a valid POV-- that some folks talk about and “express” their sexuality in inappropriate places, which is entirely true-- would make it so that he’s “denigrating” women and minorities.  Last time I checked, he wasn’t doing something outragous like, oh, calling the two highest ranking members of a minority Uncle Tom and Aunt Jimima (Jemima?  I’m not familiar enough with racial slurs to know which spelling is prefered.)

One of Kerry’s many positions gave the impression that the US was over-reacting to 9/11, since the folks that actually did it were dead.  (I believe it was part of the “if the US is attacked, I will go to the UN to get permission to fight back.....” stance.)

How about some actual, factual lies from Rush, now?
Say, something like this:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/
or this:
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

Seth,

Do you think Bob Dole is a slimeball too, having lost the 1996 election?
Or Goldwater, for that matter?

Ben,

Are you asking me if I think John Kerry is a slime ball BECAUSE he lost the election?

If so, then the answer would be a resounding NO.  I think John Kerry is a traitorous, treacherous, denigrating SOB… Who should be tried in a military court for treason.  Past that, I think he ski’s poorly…

Or did you have a different point?

I think that Rush, like Moore, goes overboard to make a point.

He sort of turned me off when he likened the Abu Ghraib incidents to college “hazing” pranks.

‘course, he doesn’t even compare to Coulter or Hannity.  As far as I’m concerned, those two, as well as Moore, could drop off the planet and we’d all be better off.

Oh, and Oliver: I think you probably could have made your points without internal linkage.  Media Matters is as biased as Limbaugh.  Much better to use “just the facts ma’am.”

I read your linked source, Seth, and failed to see how that relates to treason.

BTW, President Bush said that Kerry’s record was honorable. How do you feel about that?

Ben F-
His record, such as we’ve seen, *WAS* honorable.
For full POV, my own (enlisted)grandfather was awarded a purple heart in WWII for what he discribed as a scratch which did not even leave a scar, so the record not exactly matching what HAPPENED is nothing new.

Mark J-
You’re putting *Hannity* on the same level as MOORE?  The guy from that Fox show?  Are you feeling alright?  If you are, please reconsider the comparison-- Mr. H actually has to defend his POV coherently on the fly, while Mr. M cuts and pastes his video “evidence” without context and with liberal pretext, making much use of misleading and flatly incorrect voiceovers and little to no actual conversation.

Sorry… that link wasn’t as clear.

More On Kerry’s N. Vietnamese Alliance

Kerry Supported By Commies?

Kerry spoke of meeting negotiators on Vietnam which is prohibited by the US Constitution.

And everything that he said after returning from Vietnam in front of Congress, which he later said were just the “words of an angry young man.” Most of the people that he passed off as “eye witnesses” to the atrocities he professed and confessed to, were either; not actual people, or never spent time in Vietnam, or were not in the military.

He assisted the North Vietnamese by inciting dissent for the war based upon untrue recounts of atrocious actions and direct protest against the US… with lies to back up his stance.

For these crimes against our military during a time of war, he should be tried…

I don’t put them on the same level, but they are both people who do a disservice to intelligent debate with their partisan hackery.

Obviously, Hannity is more open about it, and people routinely make him look foolish on the radio and on TV.  Moore’s contributions are one-way.

Nevertheless, they are both fanatics, in the sense that they are willing to abandon logic in order to make their side look good.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Mark J, but you’re not doing a great service to intelligent debate yourself.  Please offer facts instead of assertions.

I was just offering my opinion of the man, but here is one of the things that he has said that is flat-out untrue… a twisting of words to better support his point of view.

On September 19, 2003, Hannity said, “Colin Powell just had a great piece that he had in the paper today. He was there [in Iraq]. He said things couldn’t have been better.” The paper Hannity was referring to, written by Powell, said, “Iraq has come very far but serious problems remain...”

It really annoys me, because I agree with him about 80 percent of the time.  But even on issues we agree on, he goes overboard, using distortions and lies in order to make his case look stronger.  He is also the king of the ad-hominem attack and the red herring.  A favorite one is to question a guest’s patriotism.

HANNITY: “I never questioned anyone’s patriotism.” (9/18/03)

...

HANNITY: (to attorney Stanley Cohen) “Is it you hate this president or that you hate America?” (4/30/03)

HANNITY: “Governor, why wouldn’t anyone want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, unless they detested their own country or were ignorant of its greatness?” (6/12/03)

HANNITY: “You could explain something about your magazine, [the Nation]. Lisa Featherstone writing about the hate America march, the [anti-war] march that took place over the weekend...” (1/22/03)

HANNITY: “‘I hate America.’ This is the extreme left. There is a portion of the left—not everybody who’s left—that does hate this country and blame this country for the ills of the world...” (1/23/02)

HANNITY: (speaking to Sara Flounders co-director of the International Action Center) “You don’t like this country, do you? You don’t—you think this is an evil country. By your description of it right here, you think it’s a bad country.” (9/25/01)

I need more from a commentator than attacks against the people I happen to also disagree with.  I want reasonable arguments, laced with fact, not hyperbole.  Sean Hannity does not, (again, in my opinion) deliver… so I have no use for him.

I won’t request that you provide facts to back up your assertions against Michael Moore, because I am already intimately aware of his malfeasance.  Appologies for assuming that you were aware of Sean Hannity’s sins against logic.

Who says Rush Limbaugh is abusive to minorities? He champions various minority interests: multi-millionaires, bankers, owners of private planes and yachts, drug companies. It’s only those other “minorities"--women, workers, the poor, racial minorities, gays--that he has no use for. Here’s a sampling:

“One of the things I want to do before I die is conduct the Homeless Olympics… [Events would include] the 10-meter Shopping Cart Relay, the Dumpster Dig, and the Hop, Skip and Trip.” (L.A. Times, 1/20/91)

On NAFTA: “If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I’m serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work.” (Radio show quoted in FRQ, Fall/93)

Speculating on why a Mexican national won the New York marathon: “An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles.” (USA Weekend, 1/26/92)

This is asinine! A Caesar Chavez Day in California? Wasn’t he convicted of a crime?” (Quotedin FRQ, Winter/94)

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentleman, I just--he was a worthless shred of human debris...” (TV show, 4/11/94)

“When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult ; it’s an invitation.” (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/94)

“Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.” (Quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

“Militant feminists are pro-choice because it’s their ultimate avenue of power over men.... It is their attempt to impose their will on the rest of society, particularly on men.” (Ought to Be, p.53)

“Why is it that whenever a corporation fires workers it is never speculated that the workers might have deserved it?” (Ought to Be, p.275)