Is Raising The Fuel Tax To Curb Oil Consumption In Exchange To Tax Relief Elsewhere A Good Idea?

Charles Krauthammer thinks so, and consummate supply-sider Art Laffer is backing him up. And economist Greg Mankiw has been behind this idea for years.
That’s some serious pedigree behind this idea, but I don’t think it’s something I can get behind. Here are the problems as I see them:
First, it makes me think of the (usually erroneous connotation of) that Ben Franklin quote opponents to Bush’s national security initiatives are always throwing around: “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” It seems to me that by agreeing to a higher gas tax for the sake of behavior modification (!!!) in exchange for, say, lower income taxes would be selling us down the river. Because the fuel tax would never come down again, but the income tax would most assuredly go up again.
Second, there’s the idea of using the tax code to manipulate the behavior of American citizens. I know we’re doing that already, but it’s not right. Trying to tax people away from using oil isn’t really any different than taxing people away from tobacco or fast food. Which is something big-government nanny-staters around the country are doing. I don’t think it’s the government’s business to tell us what to eat, and I don’t think it’s the government’s business to tell us what can power our vehicles (outside the confines of public safety, that is).
Third, this is being sold as a way to make us more energy independent, but would it really? Artificially inflating the price of gasoline at a time when domestic oil producers are already nervous about the plunging price of oil (ask a North Dakota oil worker how he/she feels about $17/barrel oil) seems pretty crazy for people who want us to be energy independent. Like it or not, for the foreseeable future, our country is going to keep running on oil. There simply aren’t any good alternatives on the horizon. Americans don’t want to drive around electric cars, which are essentially glorified golf carts, and biofuels like ethanol have been the “fuels of the future” for over 30 years now. I’d love to see a good alternative to petroleum debut in the market, and if one does I’ll support it (as long as its purely market-driven), but as of right now it’s oil.
Finally, I think it’s a little dangerous for conservatives to oppose the government using policy to pick and choose winners and losers in the market…except when it suits them. We cannot support a policy like this and continue to claim that we’re for limited government. If the government can force people to stop using something like oil with high taxes, then we open the door to them using the tax code to stop us from using other things as well. Like fast food, etc.
And that is not a door we should want to open.
A “pigou tax” (as Mankiw has dubbed it) may seem like a good idea on paper, but in the long run I think it would amount to bigger government, less freedom and few solutions to energy problems.

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  • http://Array robert108

    It’s just more bullshit redistribution; no wealth is created, just manipulated for political purposes. Let the market decide the price of everything, and tax only for the legitimate functions of govt. Sooner or later, we will have to do that anyway, so why not do it now, and avoid the pain of doing it later, when it will be an even bigger adjustment to the entitled groups.

  • http://www.uniteddems.com/ Aradisedp

    I think it’s a bad idea. Americans don’t like being “forced” to do anything. There’s got to be a way to “encourage” folks to make it their decision. I mean, whoever thought the mullet would ever die!?!!!! It was painful, but thank God those folks were made to believe it was their idea to cut that hair off!

    Anyway, at least they’re proposing alternatives. I’m eager to hear more.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Great, the committee awarded Paul Krugman the prize this year.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Why anyone would listen to the unfortunately named Laffer or anyone from the ridiculous Chicago School is beyond me.

    I don’t know anything about this Peter Schiff guy’s politics but listen to what he said in 2006 to Laffer on Kudlow & Co.

  • bill-tb

    Stupidity comes in many forms. Playing liberal kiss-ass is just stupid.

    You want to fix the economy, bring back jobs, lower the corporate tax rate. You want to fix housing, take the same laws that removing caused the S&L meltdown, and re-enact them. Make owning multiple rental property an investment.

    Oh yeah, and get rid of the stupid IPO killing Sarbanes-Oxley crapolla. Anybody seen a USA IPO since Sarbanes Oxley was enacted?

    And what do you need IPOs for, read on …

    Gas taxes are for people who have no natural resources. With near 30% of the world’s coal supply, the USA does not qualify. Yep, coal can be made into liquid fuels, for about $40 a barrel oil equivalent cost — Just like they are doing in Indonesia, in Obama’s home town. They have just announced plans for a 1.2 Million barrels of diesel a day plant for an investment of $11 billion. That’s about a 10:1 reduction in capital cost per barrel of fuel. Isn’t technology grand.
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  • NoJelly

    Gosh, if it’s such a bad thing for us, why don’t they ban it instead of taxing it restrictively?

    Interesting phrase, I notice it used to apply to many different things…

    Get wise folks, the gub’mint taxes us for one reason and one reason only; To make our money their money…The Constitutional ideals that applied were tossed in a ditch somewhere many years ago…

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    When is Obama going to hand out the hair shirts he expects the masses to wear?

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    This is done in Europe. The price of gasoline in 2000 was about $5 per gallon. Most of that was tax. Not many people drove. There were not “gas stamps” for the “poor”.

    This would not work in American. Gas stamps would be given out to people like the Democrats who used the tax free gas in Denver. The people who are careful with their money would be the ones paying most of this new tax.

  • welder4

    What nimbuses so called intelligent, hey give me the local educated and the least .Wall street did not cause the down turn in the economy, gas prices did that and it also caused the loss of money from all car makers. Toyota lost money and if they jack it back up to 4, say it is 2.00 that is 2dollar tax that can be attributed directly to our government and I don’t think America will stand for that . A floor tax is what the NYT is saying, that is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of, it will finish off the economy and we will be in a deep depression ,have they no sense at all? The world reeled from the cost of gas, it stopped everything in its tracks no one will spend money on other things if it is taking all their money to buy gas. The NYT must have a death wish as now people will for sure not buy their paper or listen to them on the net. I think they want this to happen because the warming hoax is not gaining any ground and they may have to abandon that so instead they destroy us with a floor tax on gas ,.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    Why are you bothering to respond to
    blackwaterboob at all?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Mass transit is a terrible, horrible investment.

    They always need subsidies.

    Mass transit is about the elites thinking they know better how everyone else should live. It’s people control.

  • DG

    Bad idea. Expensive energy got us into this recession, cheap energy will get us out. It’s really that simple.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    This plan would get gas to $4/gallon when the price of oil was low.

    When the price of oil goes up the government won’t reduce the taxes. We’ll get $6.50/gallon gasoline.

    Plus the government will figure that they can raise the taxes on “the rich” and “businesses” to finance ever more give-a-way programs to the non-productive.

    And consequently we’ll have more leeches and less producers.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    What a great way to get higher gas prices, high taxes and a crappy economy.

    The man’s a genius.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    So now Rube, you think winning a Nobel Prize is a good thing?

    You really have to get your stories straight.

    Paul Krugman won the same prize this year.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    So now Rube, you think winning a Nobel Prize is a good thing?
    You really have to get your stories straight.
    Paul Krugman won the same prize this year.

    I’d normally agree, but coming from the king of inconsistancy…this rings hollow.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    I think it is a horrible idea. Also, the price of gas is going to go up because of Hamas. If Israel invades we are going to be feeling pain at the pump again.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    So now Rube, you think winning a Nobel Prize is a good thing?

    You really have to get your stories straight.

    It’s not a Nobel Peace Prize, numb nuts.

    The peace prize is all but worthless, but the other Nobel Prizes still carry some prestige.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    What’s interesting is that a lot of people seem to think this is a great idea because it would push people to using more mass transit. Which is great…if you live in a place where mass transit is readily available.

    It’s not really feasible for someone living in even North Dakota’s largest cities to use mass transit. I’m guessing there are a lot of other places in the country that would be in the same spot.

    All this would do is make our daily commutes and other necessary travel more expensive. But so what, right? At least we’re doing something about all that nasty oil use!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Milt Friedman, from that “ridiculous” school of Chicago economics, won a Nobel Prize and was one of the most brilliant economists ever to live.

    And it can be hardly say that this particular idea is in keeping with the principles of the Chicago school of economics.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Great, the committee awarded Paul Krugman the prize this year.

    Yup, and while I disagree with his politics, Krugman is a very talented economist. I’m not sure he deserved the award, but it’s not equivalent to giving the peace prize to Yasser Arafat.

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