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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125894</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A study of Fascism has much more to offer than crowding it to one corner of a 10 by 10 plot.  Were the results really that surprising?  Getting past the anti-liberal assumptions in its philosophy, Fascist thought is presented quite thoroughly and coherently by its intellectuals.  All told, the results of the politics test really isn&#039;t very interesting.

On the other hand, it&#039;s nice to see all that white space between America and fascism.  Were our nation&#039;s circumstances very different than they are today, I might support a pacifistic fascist regime, but as a member of the richest, most powerful country in the world, I enjoy my freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A study of Fascism has much more to offer than crowding it to one corner of a 10 by 10 plot.  Were the results really that surprising?  Getting past the anti-liberal assumptions in its philosophy, Fascist thought is presented quite thoroughly and coherently by its intellectuals.  All told, the results of the politics test really isn&#8217;t very interesting.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s nice to see all that white space between America and fascism.  Were our nation&#8217;s circumstances very different than they are today, I might support a pacifistic fascist regime, but as a member of the richest, most powerful country in the world, I enjoy my freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Williams</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125895</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all: thanks for the comments. Let me clarify a few points.

The model of fascism that I worked off of was based on an amalgam of sources--not any one historical state or party. I tried to reconcile the positions of different historical and contemporary fascist states/parties and find common broad ideological threads, and not just a snapshot of one state at one time.

I&#039;m aware of the weakness of applying the politics match questions to fascist ideology--we simply have no contemporary mainstream American party to work off of. The politics match quiz also doesn&#039;t account for fascist ideas about an &quot;in group&quot; (usually race-based). Nonetheless, using the modeling of general ideological threads that fascist parties have had in common, we can come to a fairly decent understanding of where they fall within a broad spectrum.

I used the profiles of the Democrat and Republic platforms to give a sense of perspective and scale to the results. It was in no way an attempt to declare an equivilence between them or to tar one or the other as being closer ideology. This was an honest (if amature) attempt to understand fascism&#039;s &quot;place&quot; in a spectrum. I was somewhat surprised by the result--it came out further to the right than I expected (Disclaimer: I&#039;m a libertarian-leaning conservative/Republican).

FreeRepublican&#039;s comment about the Nazi stance to abortion is true enough. Yet one must realize that in the fascist ideology, abortion among the &quot;in group/race&quot; is strongly opposed--other minorities not being considered as citizens and thus not worthy of the same legal consideration. This is a broad feature of the fascist ideology that is present not only in one state/party/historical context, but in many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all: thanks for the comments. Let me clarify a few points.</p>
<p>The model of fascism that I worked off of was based on an amalgam of sources&#8211;not any one historical state or party. I tried to reconcile the positions of different historical and contemporary fascist states/parties and find common broad ideological threads, and not just a snapshot of one state at one time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m aware of the weakness of applying the politics match questions to fascist ideology&#8211;we simply have no contemporary mainstream American party to work off of. The politics match quiz also doesn&#8217;t account for fascist ideas about an &#8220;in group&#8221; (usually race-based). Nonetheless, using the modeling of general ideological threads that fascist parties have had in common, we can come to a fairly decent understanding of where they fall within a broad spectrum.</p>
<p>I used the profiles of the Democrat and Republic platforms to give a sense of perspective and scale to the results. It was in no way an attempt to declare an equivilence between them or to tar one or the other as being closer ideology. This was an honest (if amature) attempt to understand fascism&#8217;s &#8220;place&#8221; in a spectrum. I was somewhat surprised by the result&#8211;it came out further to the right than I expected (Disclaimer: I&#8217;m a libertarian-leaning conservative/Republican).</p>
<p>FreeRepublican&#8217;s comment about the Nazi stance to abortion is true enough. Yet one must realize that in the fascist ideology, abortion among the &#8220;in group/race&#8221; is strongly opposed&#8211;other minorities not being considered as citizens and thus not worthy of the same legal consideration. This is a broad feature of the fascist ideology that is present not only in one state/party/historical context, but in many.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125896</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the bottom line is that attempting to discuss fascism on a policy level is an execise in futility. Once an autocratic state is established, the policies it pursues are secondary.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that&#039;s a good point.  I could see a facists dictator supplying things like &quot;free health care&quot; and &quot;right to an abortion&quot; to the public if they thought it solidified their position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I think the bottom line is that attempting to discuss fascism on a policy level is an execise in futility. Once an autocratic state is established, the policies it pursues are secondary.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a good point.  I could see a facists dictator supplying things like &#8220;free health care&#8221; and &#8220;right to an abortion&#8221; to the public if they thought it solidified their position.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Williams</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125897</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave--the image is being hosted off of blogspot because I can&#039;t upload images to Rob&#039;s server. Maybe Rob could copy it to his server and edit the IMG tag...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8211;the image is being hosted off of blogspot because I can&#8217;t upload images to Rob&#8217;s server. Maybe Rob could copy it to his server and edit the IMG tag&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125898</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth: Your very last image shows up as a little red &quot;x&quot; on my computer, yet several other commenters have referenced it. Come to think of it, I&#039;m not sure why I addressed you directly. Any idea what may be causing this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth: Your very last image shows up as a little red &#8220;x&#8221; on my computer, yet several other commenters have referenced it. Come to think of it, I&#8217;m not sure why I addressed you directly. Any idea what may be causing this?</p>
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		<title>By: The_Whistler_ofnd</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125899</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Whistler_ofnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main fallacy with your post is that you don&#039;t have a current model of facism to compare Republicans and Democrats with.  

Where are you getting your defination of facism from:  Nazi Germany?  Pre-war Italy?  Some Tin-Pot Third world country?

The Republican Party of the 1930&#039;s believed in a lot of different things than the party does in the 21st century.  Same thing for the Democrat party.  A third world party cannot be compared with either the Democrats or the Republicans.

The only defination of a facism that ever really made sense was that it&#039;s an economic/political system of central planning while leaving industry in the hands of private owners.  Basically it&#039;s a model where big government, big labor and big business supposedly work together.  You can make up your own mind what party this is near to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main fallacy with your post is that you don&#8217;t have a current model of facism to compare Republicans and Democrats with.  </p>
<p>Where are you getting your defination of facism from:  Nazi Germany?  Pre-war Italy?  Some Tin-Pot Third world country?</p>
<p>The Republican Party of the 1930&#8242;s believed in a lot of different things than the party does in the 21st century.  Same thing for the Democrat party.  A third world party cannot be compared with either the Democrats or the Republicans.</p>
<p>The only defination of a facism that ever really made sense was that it&#8217;s an economic/political system of central planning while leaving industry in the hands of private owners.  Basically it&#8217;s a model where big government, big labor and big business supposedly work together.  You can make up your own mind what party this is near to.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Williams</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125900</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I didn&#039;t take it as berating. Your comments have been constructive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I didn&#8217;t take it as berating. Your comments have been constructive.</p>
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		<title>By: robert108</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125901</link>
		<dc:creator>robert108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth: It might be even more interesting to run a comparison of Republicans and Democrats on the Bill of Rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth: It might be even more interesting to run a comparison of Republicans and Democrats on the Bill of Rights.</p>
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		<title>By: modern instances</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125902</link>
		<dc:creator>modern instances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can hardly believe it but I&#039;m agreeing with MI on something.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Even a broken clock is right twice a day. :)



I think Seth is aware of the limitations of his exercise, but it was interesting nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can hardly believe it but I&#8217;m agreeing with MI on something.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even a broken clock is right twice a day. <img src='http://sayanythingblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think Seth is aware of the limitations of his exercise, but it was interesting nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Williams</title>
		<link>http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/is_fascism_left_wing_or_right_wing/#comment-125903</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>docdave: in my defense, fascist parties and candidates have been elected, and to this day run in elections (even here in America)--so it&#039;s not a completely crackpot idea.

The model I used is too limited, that&#039;s clearer to me now (I knew it was from the start, but I probably didn&#039;t appreceate that as fully as I should have).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>docdave: in my defense, fascist parties and candidates have been elected, and to this day run in elections (even here in America)&#8211;so it&#8217;s not a completely crackpot idea.</p>
<p>The model I used is too limited, that&#8217;s clearer to me now (I knew it was from the start, but I probably didn&#8217;t appreceate that as fully as I should have).</p>
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