Irony: Many Wall Street Banks May Not Be Participating In Government Bailout

Once again, did we really need the bailout?

Fears are mounting that many Wall Street banks and financial firms will refuse to participate in the US government’s $700bn bail-out package, leaving global markets and world economies in a perilous state for months to come.
’There is a growing feeling that banks … might instead decide to tough it out,’ said Thomas Caldwell, chairman and CEO of Caldwell Financial, a $1bn-plus fund manager. . . .
’I think this hodge-podge of regulations and rules will be enough to put many [chief executives] off participating,’ Caldwell said.
Sources close to Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch indicated the banks might choose not to participate in the bail-out as there is a growing view on Wall Street that the market may be bottoming out.

Remember the urgency as Congress went to war over the bailout? Remember both Republicans and Democrats saying that the bailout needed to pass lest we face economic holocaust? Now the worry is that some banks may not even partake of the bailout.
Which is ironic, in a sickening way.
Of course, some are saying that the mere presence of a government bail out is enough to restore order to the market:

Analysts also believe that the mere presence of the government as buyer of last resort will be enough to get credit markets moving again, and that a large number of banks would not need to take part for the legislation to succeed.

But then, credit markets would have probably started moving again bailout or no bailout. After all, the demand for credit wasn’t going to go anywhere. And Economics 101 tells us that where there is a demand, there will always be someone to supply it.
We didn’t need this bailout, but I’m sure the government will find a way to spend that $700 billion regardless.

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  • http://Array Bat One

    Paulson allowed the 5 largest invetmen houses take their leverage from 12/1 to 30/1. Kaboom.

    WOOF,

    Could you please cite the authority under which a Secretary of the Treasury can legally over-ride the net-capital rule decision of the SEC?

    And when you’re done with that, please take note of the date of that SEC decision to which you refer… and then compare it to the date of Mr. Paulson’s swearing in at Treasury.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Secretary of the Treasury Paulson is no Democrat

    He is actually.

    But even if he wasn’t I’d oppose this PLAN to involve the government more in the economy. The problems came from too much meddling. Throwing money at the problem and in fact making it worse is a waste of time until you fix the government programs like Fan and Fred.

  • carrick

    Rob:

    But then, credit markets would have probably started moving again bailout or no bailout. After all, the demand for credit wasn’t going to go anywhere. And Economics 101 tells us that where there is a demand, there will always be someone to supply it.

    One could equally argue that the real problem was the specter of the bail-out. If you didn’t participate in “it” (where “it” is an unknown), you potentially put yourself at a disadvantage wrt your competitors. In other words, the bailout itself was the cause of the credit freeze.

    Now we know how lame it is, they have opted out….

  • 2Hotel9

    Your right, woofie. You Democrat fucksticks should not be involved in anything of any importance, whatsoever.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Nice chart woof, are you saying that the government should stop interfering with the private sector?

    As much as you might not realize it, pretty much all government now days protects the bigs at the expense of the smalls.

  • robert108

    Money goes round in circles.

    Spoken like a true Marxist.

    Govt meddling caused the problem, so more govt meddling will only make it worse, just like the healthcare situation.
    Govt is the problem, not the solution.

  • robert108

    Where do we go to get our money and our economic freedom back?

  • 2Hotel9

    So, where is all that money going?

  • robert108

    Analysts also believe that the mere presence of the government as buyer of last resort will be enough to get credit markets moving again…

    It was the “presence” of Fannie and Freddie, ready to buy up all the mandated bad paper, that created this mess in the first place. Expecting a different outcome with the same input is one definition of insanity.

  • patriot

    Goldman Sachs as Treasury Secretary Paulson’s former employer should be barred from participating. He and Jim Johnson (Goldman Board Member) should have to EAT every single one of those bad loans.

    Damn I’m mad at this conflict of interest on Paulson’s part. The guy is no Republican, nor Conservative nor is he ethical. He’s more Democrat, that’s why he was on bended knee in front of Pelosi and refusing to negotiate with House Republicans.

  • robert108

    Paulson is a Dem, no matter how much bullshit you sling, Woof.

  • robert108

    Paulson is a Dem.

  • http://www.wethepeopleforum.com/forum/forums.asp golfmann

    October Surprise…

    Of course, some are saying that the mere presence of a government bail out is enough to restore order to the market:

    Why then did it TANK upon passage?

    Oil drilling presence, yes, that will affect market. This pork chop, no!

  • 2Hotel9

    Paulson is a Democrat, has been all his adult life. And who was it that distorted and stripped away the regulatory structures of the banking, investing and mortgage system? Who has had control of the Congressional Committees and governmental offices charged with that oversight?

    Hello! woofie? Anyone home?

  • WOOFX

    Secretary of the Treasury Paulson
    is no Democrat Hotel.
    The country is getting played by

    the brokers oldest scam.
    Yes things are bad and I put you
    in some bad positions,
    but just give me
    a bunch more money and these trades
    will put you in the black.

  • WOOFX

    Democrat?

    Paulson was Staff Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense at The Pentagon from 1970 to 1972.[7] He then worked for the administration of U.S. President Richard Nixon, serving as assistant to John Ehrlichman from 1972 to 1973.

  • WOOFX

    Deregulation meddling.
    Paulson allowed the 5 largest invetment
    houses take their leverage from 12/1 to 30/1.
    Kaboom.

    In 2004 the SEC agrees to voluntary regulation.

  • WOOFX

    The guys who ran the economy into a ditch
    may not be the best ones to get it out.
    Paulson, Bernake, Cox, were once were blind
    but now they see?

    Money goes round in circles.

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  • WOOFX

    Bush appointed a democrat
    to be Sec of Treasury?
    You got the back story R?

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