Iraq War Protesters Vandalized Capitol, Spat At Iraq War Vet

Bad:

Anti-war protesters were allowed to spray paint on part of thewest front steps of the United States Capitol building after police wereordered to break their security line by their leadership, two sources toldThe Hill.
According to the sources, police officers were livid when theywere told to fall back by U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) Chief Phillip Morse andDeputy Chief Daniel Nichols. “They were the commanders on the scene,” one source said,who requested anonymity. “It was disgusting.”
After police ceded the stairs, located on the lower west frontof the Capitol, the building was locked down, the source added.
A second source who witnessed the incident said that the policehad the crowd stopped at Third Street, but were told to bring the policeline in front of the Capitol.
Approximately 300 protesters were allowed to take the steps andbegan to spray paint “anarchist symbols” and phrase such as “Ourcapitol building” and “you can’t stop us” around the area, thesource said.

Worse:

In Washington, counterprotesters also converged on the mall in smaller numbers, but the antiwar demonstration was largely peaceful.
There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration’s policies in Iraq.
Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protesters spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back.

Why were these anti-war nuts allowed so close to the Capitol? The last time I checked the freedom of speech didn’t extend to vandalism. And anarchy symbols? Opposition to the war is one thing, but calling for anarchy is quite another.
This is just more evidence that the folks who attend these anti-war rallies that get so much adoring media attention are on the fringes of American politics. Just look at the pictures in this post and see the opinions and sentiments on display. These aren’t “average Americans” expressing some dissent, these are dyed-in-the-wool political radicals many of whom (like the anarchists mentioned above and the pro-Palestinian groups in the post I just linked, as well as a myriad of other far-out socialist and communist groups) are just using an Iraq war protest as a venue to get attention for their own loony causes.
Yet the media white washes their protests. We are given the idea that these are just ordinary folks upset at a bit of foreign policy. That couldn’t be further from the truth. These people don’t just oppose the current war in Iraq, they oppose all wars. They don’t just think America is wrong in this war, they think America is always wrong. Heck, most of them probably opposed the invasion of Afghanistan too right after 9/11. The organizers of the protest, United for Peace and Justice, certainly did.
You won’t hear much about the anarchists defacing our Capitol. You won’t hear much about the anti-war nut who spit at one of our soldiers who served this country honorably. Heck, in a few years the folks on the left will probably be denying that the spitting incident even happened much like they deny that the Vietnam vets got spit on as well.
If most Americans had a full glimpse of just who these anti-war protesters are the protesters themselves would be shunned. Unfortunately, the media who sympathizes with the anti-war sentiments isn’t about to let that happen. Heck, we can’t even get an accurate read on how many people were at the protest.

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  • http://www.captainnormal.org/ Don Myers

    From the OED:

    Seperate: To put apart, set asunder (two or more persons or things, or one from another); to disunite, disconnect, make a division between.

    NOW do you understand how the 1st Amendment separates Church and State, N?

    Probably not.

    Remember I have heard all the arguments you atheists use in this situation; but in my case no matter how often or loudly you repeat your lies, it will never make it the truth.

    In other words, you’re a fanatic and you believe what you believe.

    The GOP: The party of anti-intellectuals, fanatics, and evolution-deniers.

  • Neiman

    No Don: As usualyou liberals turn things around. I am not anti-intellectual no is the GOP, far from it, in fact no real Christian is anti-intellectual, our faith is built upon solid evidence and reasonable conclusions based upon the evidence. I simply encouraged you not to engage in the tired a failed arguments of most ‘separationists.’

  • robert108

    Don: I have read the First Amendment, and it does not state that there is a “separation of Church and State”. That concept was created by Justice Hugo Black, who hated Roman Catholicism.
    As usual with leftie haters, you ignore the most important part of the First Amendment, where it states: “…nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.” I refers to Congress making no law that would prohibit the free exercise thereof, so any “separation” implied there is for the protection of religion from govt influence, not the other way around. I guess you needed spoon feeding.

  • 2Hotel9

    And now to topic. I called 2 friends who work in DC and asked them to try and send us some pictures of the steps.

    MA, Sparling has been at WR for 9 months, and has been on the Hill, at the request of Democrats and Republicans, several times. Your assertion that he does not exist is quite comical.

  • 2Hotel9

    Rob! AV:TFR is a Seminary school student. She does not actual believe or support any of the stupidity she types. Doing this is her rebellion against the theology teacher who keeps giving her bad grades for her sloppy, poorly thought out papers.

    It is really kind of sad and pathetic. She will go on to be an extreme rightwing religious activist. Christianofacism is her dream. She lies awake at night imagining how wonderful it will be when she can condem non-believers to death.

  • M.A.

    Oh, I’m not saying he doesn’t exist. I’m saying he’s a guy who constantly makes up assertions about evil liberal hippie troop-haters. Over and over again, in different contexts, Sparling is the victim of horrible liberal insults. This is because he is making stuff up to get in good with Sean Hannity and other America-haters.

    Jamil Hussein is a real person too, after all…

  • robert108

    Your assertion that he does not exist is quite comical.

    This is a typical leftie tactic: Accuse us of what they do.

  • Neiman

    Anarchist:
    Retarded (intellectually or emotionally challenged) is a pejorative term and its use reflects more on your low character and limited intellect than insulting to the target of that comment. I pity you for your lack of creativity and because you resort to an old liberal tactic of calling those opposing your views demeaning names rather than rationally debating the subject at hand.

    America is a short term commonly used to refer to the United States of America, a Representative Republic having held historically to certain core beliefs; anyone antiAmerican therefore is one wanting to overthrow those core beliefs and create out of chaos another nation based on different core principles. Liberals and most Democrats by their beliefs and policies are socialists and they want to chamge America into a socialist state and that is antiAmerican.

    Since you cannot find Separation of Church and State within the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, why is it fascist (somebody who supports or advocates a system of government characterized by dictatorship, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism). To oppose a Judicial Amendment to our Constitution manufactured out of whole cloth by a Grand Wizard of the KKK – Hugo Black does not imply in any shape manner or form any of those things included within the defintion of a fascist. Thus you are employing a term born out of gross ignorance of its true meaning because of your blind hatred for Christ and the Church.

  • Ken

    Neiman- I would think that if spitting on troops after Viet Nam was as common as you say, there would be piles of dead hippies everytime soldiers came back from the war. I really doubt the millions of soldiers who fought would put up with that so gamely. (Nor should they have put up with it.)

    You mention being spat on “spiritually”. This sounds more likely that you felt disapproval from people when you returned. My heart goes out to you and all other veterans who experienced this feeling. It is a brave thing you did. We may disagree with the civilian leaders who caused the mess, but the military doesn’t get to pick and choose when and who to fight.

    Here is an article that looks at the story about spitting and tries to trace the origins.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0430-21.htm

  • Neiman

    Don Myers: Like Anarchist you are a typical liberal resorting to words and phrases designed to demean the character of anyone opposing your view. That is pathetic and I am truly sorry for you.

    I have studied the Constitution in depth and Separation of Church and State; and therein you will not find the word separation or any word intimating separation or as the word is being defined by those on the Left – federal hostility towards the Christian Faith. I am not going to debate this issue, as I have many times, so I will limit my comments.

    1st Amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” Find the word separation for me in these words, it does not exist.

    Establishment (to set something up) as in this case a prohibition against Congress to establish any particular Christian Denomination as the official Christian Denomination for the nation. At the time they did not consider other than Christian religions, but certainly this law would prevent the government from establishing any religion whatsoever as the National religion as in Britain and other European countries of the time.

    In no case, not in any documents known to me by our Founding Father’s will you find any prohibition for an individual state to establish a statewide denomination or religion, nor was it designed to prevent any person of any religious faith, including Christians from promoting their beliefs in the public square and trying to pass legislation at federal, state and local levels to enact their beliefs into law. (Note: I am not in favor of individual states establishing a denomination or religion either)

    In fact the Bill of Rights is really a list telling Congress you are not to pass any laws regulating these things, certainly exempting emergency necessities, so it was a list of prohibitions against Congress not religion.

    Remember I have heard all the arguments you atheists use in this situation; but in my case no matter how often or loudly you repeat your lies, it will never make it the truth. There is no such this a Separation of Church and State in our constitution, simply a prohibition against the federal government to establish a national religion.

  • robert108

    …both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?

    Now surpassed, in far less time, by the religions of Islam and Marxism.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    I don’t hate Christians any more than I hate other delusional people I haven’t met. But I cannot say the reverse is true.

    No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.–George Bush Senior

    That guy sounds like a Christianofascist to me.

    I don’t know why you assume the founding fathers were Christian either. From Thomas Jefferson’s writings, he was either deist, agnostic, or atheist.

    ‘The Christian God is a being of terrific character – cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.’

    ‘Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.’

    ‘To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise … without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied, and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence.’

    ‘Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man’
    –Thomas Jefferson

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
    –James Madison

    Lighthouses are more useful than churches.–Benjamin Franklin

    ‘This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.’

    ‘As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?’
    –John Adams

  • http://www.captainnormal.org/ Don Myers

    N:

    All you have to offer is christian mythology and other assorted mumbo-jumbo.

    What else can I expect from the people who want to teach bible stories in science class?

  • 2Hotel9

    Nman, quit wasting time. donnie is a hate-filled pathological liar. That is when he is not performing in gay porn flicks.

  • 2Hotel9

    Teenybopper bottomfeeder.

  • Ken

    You are wrong on at least one point. I haven’t been a teeny-bopper for a long time. I can prove it, too. You’d have to take my word for it that I don’t hate America, though.

    Lastly, I don’t think I do understand much about your version of reality, but I’m here to learn. Maybe if you can make a serious post I will start to understand your side, who knows?

  • robert108

    And killing maybe 100,000-650,000 people.

    Only in overheated leftie AntiAmerican propaganda. Those numbers are lies.

    I never said Christians. I wrote Christianofascism.

    A distinction without a difference. You are an antiChristian bigot. No Christians are engaging in strapping bombs on children, flying hijacked airliners into buildings, setting IEDs or making beheading videos. If that ever happens, you might have a point, but for now, you are just plain wrong.
    The lefties are the real fundamentalists here, along with the Islamic extremists. Lefties hate everyone who doesn’t subscribe to their ideology.

  • Bat One

    All you have to offer is (C)hristian mythology and other assorted mumbo-jumbo.

    Let’s all hear it for liberal diversity, inclusiveness, and democracy!

  • http://www.captainnormal.org/ Don Myers

    Frankly N, your twisted rhetoric about church & state remend me of these guys.

    Why do you want to live in a christianist theocracy?

  • 2Hotel9

    Nman, here is another America-hating piece of shit.

    A teenybopper bottomfeeder with not the least clue of reality.

  • http://www.captainnormal.org/ Don Myers

    Since you cannot find Separation of Church and State within the Constitution and the Bill of Rights…

    Obviously you’ve never read the 1st Amendment.

    Can you figure it out for yourself or would you like me to spoon feed it to you?

  • Neiman

    Your hatred of atheists for Christ and Christians is so unfortunate.

    1. In the Northwest Ordinance, the document used by territories seeking statehood, teaching the Christian Bible in schools is strongly encouraged. Our Founding Fathers. virtually without exception encouraged bible study in public schools. However, most Christians would not advocate that today as we would not want non-Christians teaching our children about the Christian faith.
    2. As I said true Christian faith is not blind and myth based, it is based on rational conclusions based on all the available historical and other evidence. While this evidence can never prove the existence of God and that does require faith, we believe the evidence is so overwheleming that it demands only one logical, rational conclusion. Your objections notwithstanding!
    3. Please provide clear, objective evidence why my my rhetoric is twisted other than I disagree with your errant conclusions?

  • http://www.captainnormal.org/ Don Myers

    Let’s all hear it for liberal diversity, inclusiveness, and democracy!

    I LOVE diversity and democracy! I think it’s great that you can believe all the christianist bullshit you want to without interference from the likes of me.

    It’s you and N who want to live in a theocracy.

  • HG

    N.

    The liberal and the occasion nutjob (Don in this instance) assume that their political ideology is based upon empirical evidence and sound reason. What they don’t like to hear is how they approach that evidence depends solely upon a philosophical perspective. All reason has an underlying philosophical bias. Even the method of scientific investigation is based upon methodological naturalism. They like to pretend that their ideology is the only reasonable one.

  • http://www.captainnormal.org/ Don Myers

    Please provide clear, objective evidence why my my rhetoric is twisted other than I disagree with your errant conclusions?

    When you make a statement that is 1) clear, 2) supported by documentary evidence, and 3) not bark-at-the-moon bugfuck crazy, I’ll be happy to provide a serious rebuttal.

    Forgive me if I don’t hold my breath.

  • robert108

    Don: You continue to push your mistaken concept of a Constitutional separation of Church and State, and yet you can’t spell “separation”. Weird.

  • Neiman

    2Hotel9 and HG: You are both correct and I offer the following to this atheist, anti-Christian, nut case only because he dared me to present documentary evidence. So, I’ll offer him the below and not engage him further.

    1. Northwest Ordinance
    The Northwest Ordinance would, with minor adjustments, remain the guiding policy for the admission of all future states into the Union.

    “ART. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”

    So, here is one piece of documentary evidence for a statement I made and every other statement can be likewise supported by other documentary evidence, including the writings of the Founding Fathers and the first almost one century and a half of decisions by the SCOTUS and every states supreme courts.

    The Northwest Ordinace encouraged public education for all its children because being able to read and write was necessary to reading the bible and understanding its moral precepts, and proof of its meaning can be found in the fact that almost every public school in this country taught the Christian bible and almost every university and college were founded by Christian organizations and almost exclusively staffed with teachers/ministers of the Christian faith.

    2. My beliefs in the existence of Jesus Christ are based on massive documentary and acheological evidence, greater volumes of evidence for the existence of any other human being on earth, even great historical figures like Shakespeare, in recently past centuries. This uncontestable evidence of Jesus existence demands a verdict about whether or not He was Who He claimed to be; and it requires a person to deliberately ignore this documentary and archeological record and deny reality, to assert that Jesus was not the Son of God. As I said before, the evidence does not prove God exists, but it leaves the honest searcher with no other option than to say He was and is Who He claimed to be.

    3. I have never called for a Theocracy nor would any sane Christian, as Christians know that they have been persecuted and murdered more often by theocratic dictatorships than secular ones.

  • HG

    …Jihadism and Christianofascism.

    AV,

    That you would include Christians in the same sentence as Islamic extremists is very offensive — I’m sure you didn’t intend to make a point with such an ignorant statement. Modern Christiandom is anything but extremist murderers. In fact, today, Christians are quite often the victims of such terrorism as well as the victims of oppressive communists. In fact your statement would have made more sense if you would have substituted ‘communism’ for ‘Christianofascism’.

  • M.A.

    It seems that Joshua Sparling is the new Jamil Hussein, except, you know, the stuff that Jamil Hussein said was real and stuff.

    Basically, Joshua Sparling is the guy trotted out over and over again, in several different contexts and different incidents, to prove that the evil liberal hippies hate the troops.

    Now, what are the odds of that? Some coincidence. It couldn’t be that right-wingers are manufacturing fake stories about liberals who hate the troops (much as they once manufactured fake stories about spitting on the troops). That’s, like, impossible.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    So then why do you oppose the democratization of the middle east?–Rob

    I doubt you’ll find anyone more in favor of the democratization of the ME than I. I just disagree that you convert a country to a democracy by bombing and invading it. And killing maybe 100,000-650,000 people. And setting off sectarian violence. And ignoring all of the ME specialist who said that this is precisely what will happen.

    I despise what these protestors did and what they stand for, as they are anti-America, anti-Military and anti-almost everything I believe in;–Neiman

    That’s retarded. What does `anti-America’ even mean? Do they hate the atoms and molecules that make up everything within the borders? I have no idea what you are talking about (but people who trot out that line normally aren’t very smart). Anti-military? You mean you hate those who are pro-peace?

    That you would include Christians in the same sentence as Islamic extremists is very offensive–HG

    I never said Christians. I wrote Christianofascism. This means those opposed to the separation of church and state. These people are obviously no better than Islamofascists (and both appear to be increasing in number).

    (Damn, my reply appears to be a couple of days late.)

  • Neiman

    First, my brother, brother-in-law, myself and almost every Vietnam veteran I know were spat upon physically or in spirit by a large number of people on the Left, we were called baby killers and became a curse word among liberals. So, please do not give me any crap about Vietnam Veterans not being spat upon. Further, I have no doubt the Left will do the same to our Iraqi veterans if we are forced to cut-and-run from there short of victory.

    I despise what these protestors did and what they stand for, as they are anti-America, anti-Military and anti-almost everything I believe in; however, short of the physical damage to the capitol, which should be billed to all known leaders of these protests, every American soldier fought for their right to be the filth they are and for them to be able to express their hatred in public. I believe Free political Speech (all) must be protected, not pornographic speech as the Supremes have interpreted the First Amendment, but free political speech.

    As to the anti-Christian comments, that rejection of a Divine Creator is at the heart of socialism in all its perverse manifestations, as socialism cannot exist and prosper among a people that truly believe their rights are granted by the Creator.

  • robert108

    Of course we oppose Jihad.

    That would be a lot easier to believe if there wasn’t this constant stream of sympathy and rationalization for it in the MSM, on almost a daily basis. Lefties are always telling us how oppressed and downtrodden the ME is, and how their use of violence and murder is so “understandable”. I’ll believe you oppose jihad when you support victory in Iraq and the creation of a US ally there. Until then, it’s just more lying propaganda from your side.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    This anarchy, destruction of property goes to the heart of the left. They are supported by communist organizations like ANSWER and the “workers party”, etc. Their goal is to shred our constitution so that they can be in charge and enslave the real working people.

    Protest, petition for redress is one thing. Physical damage is quite another and is merely the opening shots for worse. We need to stop this and should have.
    Shame on the commanders in the DC police. Now Nancy will have to budget for cleanup of her house. Maybe she can mulit-task and do it herself.

  • http://www.indymedia.org/en/index.shtml Angry Vertebrate

    Rob: Notice they don’t oppose jihad, no matter how much violence is done in its name; they oppose America.–Robert108

    Of course we oppose Jihad. We don’t advocate killing women and children to fight Jihad, but that’s because we aren’t savages. Helping children to think critically, and promoting education, are probably the only ways to fight Jihadism and Christianofascism.

  • Bat One

    Basically, Joshua Sparling is the guy trotted out over and over again, in several different contexts and different incidents, to prove that the evil liberal hippies hate the troops.

    MA,

    Perhaps you’d care to offer some sort of proof that your liberal hippies don’t really hate the troops?

    I was one of those returning Vietnam vets who was spat on… twice. So I would be interested to learn that those on the anti-war Left had actually grown up a bit during the last 35 years. From all I’ve seen, they have not.

  • robert108

    MA: You are sadly mistaken; the accounts of returning troops from Vietnam being spat on(and worse) are true. It is the MSM who fabricate fake stories.

    These people don’t just oppose the current war in Iraq, they oppose all wars.

    Rob: Notice they don’t oppose jihad, no matter how much violence is done in its name; they oppose America.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Helping children to think critically, and promoting education, are probably the only ways to fight Jihadism and Christianofascism.

    So then why do you oppose the democratization of the middle east? Given that Islamic culture hasn’t advanced beyond the dark ages in centuries, surely you realize that some intervention in the middle east is required to stem the flow of jihad from there.

    As for Chritianofascism, I’ll believe that’s a problem when baptists or lutherans are crashing planes into buildings and blowing up car bombs. And don’t throw McVeigh or some anti-abortion nut in my face. Those were isolated incidents, and you know it. Much different from the systemic terrorism coming from the middle east.

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