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Time for Operation Praying Mantis II.

I give Bush one year to deal with Iran. After that, I want the crowd ousted that gave us laws like IMBRA that consider all American men to be terrorist “sex offenders” until proven otherwise via background checks.

This sounds too much like the Gulf of Tonkin fakery and I say this as someone who feels the Vietnam War was necessary and the Iraq War was necessary.

You are smart enough to recognize that the “Ron Paul Wing” does consist of Republicans.

We are not going to allow neocon Republicans to remain in office even at the Congressman level in 2008. So it is now or never to deal with Iran.

You should back Ron Paul for his domestic policy of upholding the Constitution on matters other than foreign policy. Ron Paul won’t be president for another year. If the neocons have not dealt with Iran by then, it means they do not WANT to deal with Iran, but keep them as a perpetual enemy (permawar).

Sounds quite a bit like the mythical Gulf of Tonkin event.

How about some proof before we start blasting?

Otherwise, Bush is going to have to work on his creativity issues.

and with Iraq’s economy hinging on oil sales, Iran causing problems in the Strait is going to have to be dealt with.

Question:  What was the end result?  What “needs” to be done if a conflict was avoided?  What I would ask that you remember, and of course you will fail to put this on proper context, is the location of the straight?  Hint:  It’s a hell of a lot closer to Iran than Iraq. 

It’s a bit like like Iran being in the SD harbour instead of passing through the Panama Canal if it had business in Panama.

Discussion question: How long until the left (and the Ron Paul wing of the right) is blaming the President, and not the Iranians, for this incident after Bush’s decision to label the Revolutionary Guard “supporters of terrorism?”

A better question is how long until the far right over reacts and demands that “this be dealt with” and starts the war drums.  Trust me, it’s not the left we need to worry about, its people like you who don’t understand the first thing about conflicts.

It is standard procedure to talk about “brining down planes or ships” if you feel someone is in your waters, airspace or whatever.  That is what they are “supposed” to do. 

What we need to remember is that conflict was avoided.  Besides, I doubt Bush will do anything because he’s just now starting to come out of his .  He is too worried about his legacy to make any rash decisions, despite the far right loons who are cheering him on to do so.

I like Paulbots because they’re kind of like Voltron. The more of them you hook togather the more devistating thier bat-shittery becomes.

By all means, guys, back Ron all you like and have a great time with it. However, don’t be too shocked when Ron Paul is not, in fact, the next President. Additionally, don’t be too shocked when he loses his seat in Texas because there are more than enough embarassed people in his district in Texas.

I like Paulbots because......blah, blah blah, blah....blah, blah, blah.

Nothing of substance, no argument, only verbal masturbation and far-right-wing circle jerking.

That is your audience Rob.  Now I know why you post such non-sensical stupid crap like this.

The willingness of the idiots on the Left to allow Iraq to dissolve into sectarian and economic chaos merely to prove themselves prescient is well established.  But petty partisan stupidity aside, the fact remains that the Strait of Hormuz is the gateway to world markets for the oil produced by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.  Plus a substantial portion of Iran’s oil production as well.

According to the US Department of Energy, oil shipped through the Strait of Hormuz during 2007 averaged roughly 17 million barrels per day, one fifth of the entire world’s 2007 average daily production of crude oil, and approximately 40% of all oil shipped via tanker over regular maritime shipping lanes.

People who post self-congratulatory, mindless drivel
such as this,

Trust me, it’s not the left we need to worry about, its people like you who don’t understand the first thing about conflicts.

are just about the last persons to be “trusted” when a real conflict looms after so large a portion of the world’s supply of crude is suddenly made unavailable and the price of oil vaults from $95 a barrel to $495 in response to an Iranian blockade.

DoE lists the Strait of Hormuz and the Straits of Malacca as the two most lethal potential “choke points” in the world.  Only an extraordinarily determined moron would take such a threat to the world’s economy lightly.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Didn’t take the left long to jump on the tired old “Gulf of Tonkin” thing, did it? Couldn’t possibly be the fault of the homicidal fanatics that run Iran, could it?

Bush and Cheyney must be some very busy boys with all that plotting they do. I wonder how they keep the thousands of peolle something like this or 9/11 would involve quiet?

Damn, those guys are good.

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Bat: I notice that not one of the raving lefties has dealt with the real issue raised by this incident: Iranian aggression and how it is related to their quest for nuclear weapons.  Mahmoud has told us straight out what his plans are, and if we want to preserve our own existence and the existence of the free world, we will take the necessary steps to do so.  He won’t wait forever to make good on his threats.

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Nothing of substance, no argument, only verbal masturbation and far-right-wing circle jerking.

That is your audience Rob.  Now I know why you post such non-sensical stupid crap like this.

Other than the “far-right-wing”, it sounds like your autobiography Hannitized!
Thanks for dropping all pretense of civility!
Why don’t you toddle over to the Daily Kos, where you can offer more of the same and be appreciated?
You’re wasting everybody’s time here.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

I wonder if any of those Iranian sailors aboard those boats was thinking, “Man, this is really, really bad idea” as they approached warships that are capable of turning them from boats with sailors in them into floating splinters with mist chunks of former humans among them in seconds.

heh.

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Pilgrim,

The problem is that in cases such as this, particularly with regard to the Revolutionary Guards, we are dealing with individuals who all too often have no sense of self-preservation at all, but view their own death and destruction as a noble and glorious achievement.

The only thing more dangerous than a fanatic is the madman who sends him.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

It seems that reading comprehension is a rare commodity with the Paulbots considering that “Rob B” is different than “Rob Port” and that I have exponetially less comments than Rob the poster and site owner has.

Still, it got them to go left quicker and therefore allows more time to mock them.

Bat,

Agreed:

individuals who all too often have no sense of self-preservation at all, but view their own death and destruction as a noble and glorious achievement.

Then we, as fellow human beings, should do everything we can to make their wish come true.

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Pilgrim,

I agree.  A nation such as ours, founded on the principles of religious tolerance and inclusiveness, should do everything possible to accommodate the virulently self-destructive teachings of radical Islam.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

But petty partisan stupidity aside, the fact remains that the Strait of Hormuz is the gateway to world markets for the oil produced by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.  Plus a substantial portion of Iran’s oil production as well.

Hey Bat-shitcrazy,

Where does the article talk about Iran preventing oil from being exported?  Or are you just merely giving a lesson to your students who don’t understand the obvious?  What is the point of your rant?

People who post self-congratulatory, mindless drivel such as this, (er...you mean like this)
The willingness of the idiots on the Left to allow Iraq to dissolve into sectarian and economic chaos merely to prove themselves prescient is well established.

Hypocritical idiot!!

...just about the last persons to be “trusted” when a real conflict looms after so large a portion of the world’s supply of crude is suddenly made unavailable and the price of oil vaults from $95 a barrel to $495 in response to an Iranian blockade.

Hey moron, they didn’t cut off the straight, they made an aggressive military move.  These things happen all the time.  The issue was the language they used, not some made up fantasy about blocking the straight, you complete fucking idiot.

Here, why don’t you educate yourself on the facts, before you pretend to speak like you know what you are talking about??

http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3147217.ece?token=null&offset=12

The incident surprised many Iran experts who said both Washington and Tehran had made recent efforts to “de-escalate” their confrontation. One sceptical analyst said: “Have you ever heard of a suicide bomber saying, ‘hey, I’m going to blow myself up right now’?”

Washington will want to determine whether the Iranian action was the result of overzealous Revolutionary Guards in the area acting on their own initiative or whether an intended provocation was planned in Tehran.

...

Iranian analysts urged caution, saying there had been public attempts by Tehran and Washington recently to ease tensions. The US military had also mis-read Iranian radio communications in the past, most notably in 1988 when the USS Vincennes, an American guided missile cruiser, mistakenly shot down an Iranian civilian airliner over the Strait of Hormuz, killing all 290 passengers and crew.

“Both sides have made an effort to de-escalate the conflict,” Karim Sadjadpour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington said. “But there are forces in both the US and Iran who don’t want to see an improvement of ties… and whenever efforts are made to reduce the tension they often-times create incidents to sabotage this confidence-building,” he told The Times.

You see that little piece about de-escalation????

DoE lists the Strait of Hormuz and the Straits of Malacca as the two most lethal potential “choke points” in the world.  Only an extraordinarily determined moron would take such a threat to the world’s economy lightly.

Yes, while that is true, NOBODY WAS THREATENING TO BLOCK IT FROM OIL SHIPMENTS.......IDIOT!!

Like I said, the only thing we have to worry about are MORONs like YOU who can’t understand what the hell is happening and overreact out of some fear and misinterpretation of reality.  MORON!

Iran has ZERO oil refineries. They have to import 100% of their gas as a result.

The Iranians are playing a deadly game here that will be absolutely devastating to themselves, much less to the entire world. These are actions of war. I would ask that those on the left would drop their obsession with Bush for a moment to consider what is transpiring in this part of the world. This is major and it’s not the first time they have made these kinds of threats in the Strait.

I would ask that those on the left would drop their obsession with Bush for a moment to consider what is transpiring in this part of the world.

I submit that the vast majority of them are incapable of doing it.  A terrorist attack on our country wasn’t enough, so why would this be enough?

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Bat: I notice that not one of the raving lefties has dealt with the real issue raised by this incident: Iranian aggression and how it is related to their quest for nuclear weapons.  Mahmoud has told us straight out what his plans are, and if we want to preserve our own existence and the existence of the free world, we will take the necessary steps to do so.  He won’t wait forever to make good on his threats.

Oh bruther!  Now that the idiot Bat put the softball, lamebrain right-wing phony argument up on the T-ball for the babie minds like Robert to hit, we get gems like these.

Jeezus. I just can’t believe people are THIS stupid!

My prediction:

Nothing will happen, as nothing should.  Instead, well get some poppy-cocking by some low level administration official and perhaps some stupid public speak from Bush (if that) and well put it behind us.  Period!  Behind the scenes, officials will continue to talk with Iranian officials about the good work they are doing of keeping weapons and explosive material from entering Iraq.  Both sides will occasionally flex and use aggressive language with each other about the concern of Nuclear weapons.  Iran will continue to signify its desire to look strong and behind the scenes will work towards resolving the Nuclear arms concerns in addition to their desire to pursue nuclear energy.

OOOO!  The Iranians lied in their “negotiations”; what a surprise!  The threat of military action by Iran is a threat to close(or control access to) the Strait(note correct spelling).
Yet another lesson to the stupid lefties who are so afraid of terrorists that they want to placate them, but are totally ready to attack American companies.

What’s bad for America is good for the lefties.

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Nothing will happen, as nothing should. Instead,...blah, blah, blah.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.  The sun will come up tomorrow.

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The Iranians are playing a deadly game here that will be absolutely

devastating to themselves, much less to the entire world. These are actions of war. I would ask that those on the left would drop their obsession with Bush for a moment to consider what is transpiring in this part of the world. This is major and it’s not the first time they have made these kinds of threats in the Strait.

What threat? Can somebody show me that their intent is to cut off the Strait????  Does anybody have a f-ing brian in ND??

Like I said, the only thing we have to worry about are MORONs like YOU who can’t understand what the hell is happening and overreact out of some fear and misinterpretation of reality.  MORON!

Does anybody have a f-ing brian in ND??

Fact One: We’re not all from ND; you know that the internet goes everywhere in the world, don’t you?

Fact Two: “Brian” is a boy’s name.  Isn’t it just frustrating when you’re trying your hardest to insult someone, and end up misspelling the key word, which only makes you look like a dufus instead of a smart guy?

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Fact one:  The internet doesn’t go everywhere in the world.  It spans the regions where we have cable paths and/or microwave and sattle-light connectivity.  The internet starts from your PC to the cable in your neighborhood to possibly a SONET ring to some regional CLEC, iLEC or other to a peer point or NAP, then from there it hits a regional transit hub and based on your Internet providers IP it will run on one of several backbone providers network (Verizon, AT&T, Quest, Sprint, ect) back to a regional transit hub, to a local peer point or NAP and to a local iLEC, CLEC to a sonet network to a local central office and then to the server you are trying to reach.

You can do a trace rout and determine exactly where your traffic is going by:
From the Start menu, select Run… .
In the “Open:” box, type cmd (Windows NT, 2000, and XP) or command (Windows 95, 98, and Me).
At the command prompt, enter tracert computer , where computer is the IP address, name, or web site of the computer you are trying to access. For example, if you enter tracert http://www.indiana.edu , you should see something similar to the following:
Tracing route to http://www.indiana.edu [129.79.78.8]

Fact Two: Brian is not just a boys name. But does it make you feel good to get someone on a typo?  Do you know its not proper internet Netiquette to point out someone’s typos?

Now get to the issue.

r108,

I do believe he’s off his meds.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

"Fact one:  The internet doesn’t go everywhere in the world.  It spans the regions where we have cable paths and/or microwave and sattle-light connectivity.”

What the fuck does this stupid assed crap have to do with the threat issued by the Mad Mullahs against commercial and military ships within 2000 miles of the coasts of Iran?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

sattle-light

Do you mean “satellite”?  With your “brian”, it’s hard to tell.

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Do you know its not proper internet Netiquette to point out someone’s typos? The only reason I pointed out this particular one of your many “typos"(actually spelling mistakes), is that you are so busy trying to insult everyone’s intelligence who doesn’t agree with you, and you can’t even spell “brain” correctly.  It’s called irony.

Now get to the issue.  You first; I’m having too much fun with the comments that issue from your large “brian”.  BTW, what else does Brian represent, besides a boy’s name?  You gave no examples.  Maybe you were just BSing, as is usual for you.

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H,

You’re here a little earlier than usual.  Semester break?  Or did your GED class simply let out early today?

Oh, yeah, that’s right.  Your some kinda hotshot government Pooh-Bah, aren’t you?  Burn bag detail, or some crap like that, wasn’t it?

Look, the fact of the matter is you’ve got the basics of name-calling down pat, but beyond that you got NOTHING!  Your most energetic insults are largely trite and sophomoric… the the sort of tedious invective one hears on a middle school playground, while the rest of your “comments” are no more substantive, fact-based, or for that matter, interesting.

The only one who takes your self-professed wisdom seriously is you… and that’s only because you simply don’t have the sense to know any better.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bravo1, it is not only an adroit political observer, it is a big time military hero, works with American “military peoples” and a documentary producer, too boot!

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Since nobody really knows what Iran’s intent was relative to this manuever, why not simply assume she will always act in her own interest--at the expense of others, if at all possible.  It would seem safe to conclude that, like some contributors here, Iran believes it would be in her best interest to remove the US--and George Bush--from the Middle East.  So, if we can agree on that point, we might see how a little provocaton might be helpful, particularly since Iran has very little to lose (the lives of their sailors are not important to this bunch) and a lot to gain--they are, after all, provoking the Great Satan, always big among the Arab Street boys, and certain factions here in the US.  Of course, the converse is true with the US--we have a lot to lose whether we act or not.

This is yet another instance where the Viet Nam/Lyndon Johnson analogies don’t hold water, by the way.  For good or ill, Bush always announced what he intended to do, before doing it; whereas Johnson, McNamara and that bunch were nothing more than a pack of lying weasels, who seldom did what they said they were doing.  Everything about Iraq, Afganistan and Iran is more compelling--including the level of success attained, than anything that happened in the Far East in the 60’s and 70’--the analogies are as wrong as they are offensive.

What the fuck does this stupid assed crap have to do with the threat issued by the Mad Mullahs against commercial and military ships within 2000 miles of the coasts of Iran?

I dunno, why don’t you ask your pet retard why he brought it up?

Now get to the issue.  You first; I’m having too much fun with the comments that issue from your large “brian”. 

Oh bruther.  I bet you ARE having fun.  What a putz!

Can you show me one article that suggests Iran was attempting to cut off shipments of oil from the Strait, yes or no?  NO!  You guys are a bunch of paranoid moron’s!

BTW, what else does Brian represent, besides a boy’s name?  You gave no examples.  Maybe you were just BSing, as is usual for you.

Dude, are you really this dumb?  You can’t be serious.

Ever heard of a boy named Sue? Now, lets go for the really hard question, R o b e r t.  Can anything else other than a boy be named Brian?

2H9,

Like I said… burn bag detail.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Can anything else other than a boy be named Brian?

Since you answered my question with another question, I must assume you have no answer.  Maybe it’s lurking somewhere in your “brian”.  I’m sure an answer will come to you eventually.

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Why did you bring it up?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Look, the fact of the matter is you’ve got the basics of name-calling down pat, but beyond that you got NOTHING! 

Gee, really Bat?  How about the minor detail that IRAN WAS NOT BLOCKING OIL SHIPMENTS, DID NOT THREATEN OIL SHIPMENTS (this time)?  Why are you living in your imagined and paranoid world?  It was a stupid aggressive military maneuver! 

You want to go on record on what you predict the outcome will be?  I did.  YOU got nothing!

Your most energetic insults are largely trite and sophomoric… the the sort of tedious invective one hears on a middle school playground, while the rest of your “comments” are no more substantive, fact-based, or for that matter, interesting.

Nothing fact-based other than the article I linked?  Where is your evidence or link that sates Iran was threatening to block the strait to prevent OIL from shipping out?  Moron!

The only one who takes your self-professed wisdom seriously is you… and that’s only because you simply don’t have the sense to know any better.

Oh boy, the right-wing circle jerks stick together, all while ignoring the facts!  Lame!

r108 and 2H9,

Did anyone get the license plate of the short bus that deposited hannitized with us?

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Why did you bring it up?

Um....I didnt genius, Robert did.  Scroll up!

Since nobody really knows what Iran’s intent was relative to this manuever, why not simply assume she will always act in her own interest--at the expense of others, if at all possible..

What do you mean by this?  Did Iran prevent the ships from passing through?  NO!

Did Iran block the strait after they left and then block any oil shipments?  NO!

Did they actually do what they said they were going to do and blow up a ship?  NO!

Therefore, I think it is safe to conclude that Iran was not “threatening to block oil shipments”!  It’s obvious they made an aggressive military movement towards our ships.  Why?  Is is possible Iran was afraid of us?  Maybe?  Who knows.  But NOBODY, and by nobody I dont mean you morons, I mean nobody with a brain (the Administration) is suggesting this was an attempt to “block the strait”. 

Infantile!

Rodney,

I didnt understand your point.  It was tough to decipher your message through all of the right-wing penis in your mouth.  Did you have a point?  Or, are you also suggesting that Iran was threatening to shut down the strait?

How about the minor detail that IRAN WAS NOT BLOCKING OIL SHIPMENTS, DID NOT THREATEN OIL SHIPMENTS (this time)?

H,

So, in other words, because the Iranians made no overtly hostile move and did not announce any intention to block or impede shipping in the Strait, there was no threat?  Is that what you’re suggesting?

I think that view is not only egregiously simplistic and naive, devoid of any nuance or geo-political comprehension, but would have been just a swell attitude to have taken some 66 years ago.

Come to think of it, there are a few very reputable historians who’ve suggested that FDR’s attitude toward the threat posed by Tojo and Admiral Yamamoto was exactly what you’ve proposed here.  The result, as I recall, was thousands of US casualties, and the near decimation of the US Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

"hannitized” replied:

I didnt[sic] understand your point.

You don’t say?

It was tough to decipher your message through all of the right-wing penis in your mouth.

This, class, is what is known as projection.

Did you have a point?

Indeed I did.  I was hoping that via the license plate we could track down the short bus operator and perhaps get your guardian/keeper to come and collect you.

Or, are you also suggesting that Iran was threatening to shut down the strait?

The rational folks I know take such demonstrations as threats and deal with them as such, which just reinforces the point that you are not in the group of rational folks I know.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Did they actually do what they said they were going to do and blow up a ship?  NO!

I’m assuming that if someone points a gun at your head and says their going to blow your brains out you’ll just stand there and ignore them. Dipshit.

Did they actually do what they said they were going to do and blow up a ship?  NO!

Sure is a good thing that NIE made it clear that the Iranians have no interest in nuclear weapons.  It would certainly be an inconvenience to have to take threats seriously BEFORE they escalate into active attacks when the weaponry involved is nuclear.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

So, in other words, because the Iranians made no overtly hostile move and did not announce any intention to block or impede shipping in the Strait, there was no threat?  Is that what you’re suggesting?

Bat, they did not threaten shipping vessels, they were hostile to WARSHIPS.  You know the difference, I am assuming?

I think that view is not only egregiously simplistic and naive, devoid of any nuance or geo-political comprehension, but would have been just a swell attitude to have taken some 66 years ago.

OK, you think it’s dumb, but can you please point me to the smart people who think like you, for nothing in the papers (at least that I can find) suggest “they were making an attempt to block the straits oil shipments”.  They attacked with guard boats!

Come to think of it, there are a few very reputable historians who’ve suggested that FDR’s attitude toward the threat posed by Tojo and Admiral Yamamoto was exactly what you’ve proposed here.  The result, as I recall, was thousands of US casualties, and the near decimation of the US Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor.

You don’t need to lecture me about Pearl Harbour my friend.

Besides, you have it backwards, as usual.  Japan attacked Pearl Harbor why?  So they could tap the oil and rubber resources of other countries (Malaya and Dutch Indies).  So if you look at things that way it would be the US that could be viewed as the aggressor.  What similar motives between Iran attacking us and Japan attacking us exist?  Jesus Christ, talk about simple and naive.  You are the king of all ironies.

What you should do instead of giving me a pretend lecture on Pearl Harbor is make a valid comparison.  Wanna compare Japans offense to Irans next?  Jeezus!

Tell you what Bat.  Give me a couple examples of educated folks who share your concerns.  Just do it!

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009637110

Washington, DC (AHN) - There was reportedly an incident involving harassment of United States warships by Iran in the international waters of the Strait of Hormuz on Saturday.

U.S. officials say that three U.S. Navy war ships were harassed and provoked by five Iranian Revolutionary Guard boats.

The Iranians made threatening moves, advancing their boats toward the U.S. warships while also making threats over radio transmissions.

On one of the radio transmissions the Revolutionary Guard said, “I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes,” U.S.

I did get your point Bat One, however I don’t think the Mullahs would allow Mahmoud to go that far since their detonation would have too great of a local impact, and Allah doesn’t know enough virgins to cover the consequences of the response.

Sure is a good thing that NIE made it clear that the Iranians have no interest in nuclear weapons.  It would certainly be an inconvenience to have to take threats seriously BEFORE they escalate into active attacks when the weaponry involved is nuclear.

Look man, youre comparing apples to oranges.  That has to be one of the least intelligent comparisons I have ever seen. 

You keep boasting of your intellectual prowess, yet you fail MISERABLY at articulating an intelligent argument.  You can’t even do the easy thing by support your stupid contention with supporting evidence.  You can’t even give me an example of someone who shares your fear....i mean, paranoia.

The only time Iran would threaten to take control of the strait would be if we were militarily aggressive with them about their desire to persue their nuclear ambitions.  That essentially means if we were to attack them, that is their fear.  That is the second most likely reason for their military aggressiveness towards us.  How do they know we weren’t going to attack them?  The first is that they are just sort of stupid in their hubris and were flexing a bit. 

Again, review my prediction, because that is the way this incident (and thats all it is) will be managed.  Period.

That is the second most likely reason for their military aggressiveness towards us.

Which is it? Are they aggressive toward us militarily because they are afraid we will attack them?  That doesn’t even make sense.
BTW, we have been patrolling the Strait of Hormuz for decades.  Strike two.

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So if you look at things that way it would be the US that could be viewed as the aggressor.

Now the leftie wants to blame America first for Pearl Harbor; too funny!

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Which is it? Are they aggressive toward us militarily because they are afraid we will attack them?  That doesn’t even make sense.

Really?  If big WARSHIPS were sailing close to our shores, we wouldn’t ever fear being attacked?  Especially after being threatened to be attacked?  Moron!

BTW, we have been patrolling the Strait of Hormuz for decades.  Strike two.

Really, genius?  And how many of those decades did we talk about STRIKING THEM MILITARILY due to their ambitions to pursue nuclear interests?  You seriously cant be this fucking stupid.

Now the leftie wants to blame America first for Pearl Harbor; too funny!

That is it.  I am done with this site.  I am dead certain 80% of your pool is fucking retarded Ron.

Seriously, dude.....that is just fucking complete lunacy.  Go back to school, you lack basic reading comprehension skills.  It explains a lot though.

BTW, we have been patrolling the Strait of Hormuz for decades.  Strike two.

robert108 is correct, Hannitized. The U.S. was asked to patrol the straits and escort tankers that were re-flagged to appear to be of Kuwaiti origin in the area, because of IRANIAN threats to sink tankers with the intent of shutting down the straits. Iran proceeded to mine the straits which lead to operation praying mantis in 1988. Educate yourself.

Hannitized is both right and wrong. Clearly, no overtly hostile act took place. In that sense, Hannitized is correct. But battles have frequently started over this kind of ‘probing’. [the tension along the North Korea/South Korea border is often heighthened by this kind of stunt.] Moreover, the statement issued by Tehran made it clear that this was a probing event. Hannitized - who is no fool - clearly understands that the tiniest spark can ignite gasoline into a raging fireball. The U.S cannot ignore this kind of event.

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And how many of those decades did we talk about STRIKING THEM MILITARILY due to their ambitions to pursue nuclear interests?

How many decades has Iran been pursuing nuclear weapons?  You can’t really be that dim, can you?

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Hannitized - who is no fool - clearly understands that the tiniest spark can ignite gasoline into a raging fireball.

I see no evidence of the truth of either of those statements by you, pp.

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Hannitized - who is no fool

Is that open to debate?

(non)Hannitized: Who’s “Ron”?

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But battles have frequently started over this kind of ‘probing’. [the tension along the North Korea/South Korea border is often heighthened by this kind of stunt.] Moreover, the statement issued by Tehran made it clear that this was a probing event. Hannitized - who is no fool - clearly understands that the tiniest spark can ignite gasoline into a raging fireball. The U.S cannot ignore this kind of event.

Ahhh....there it is.  Finally, A rational argument with elements of pertinent historical facts!

I can agree that it can ignite a fireball.  That was the catastrophe that was narrowly avoided.  I don’t think we should do anything, except offer a stern warning.  I believe we will convey that warning but our concern will be primarily rooted in ensuring Iran isn’t meddling into the Iraqi situation.  This is nothing more than a game of push and shove right now.  Had it gone farther, we would be in a mess.  That is the message we should be delivering, not the overly arrogant blabbering that Bat or Robert suggest.  I’ll wager on that.

"hannitized” promises:

That is it. I am done with this site.

Don’t let the door hit you in your ass on the way out.  Short bus should be at the curb momentarily.

I am dead certain 80% of your pool is fucking retarded Ron.

Meanwhile you have convinced us the lights may be on, but no one worth corresponding with is home.

Seriously, dude.....that is just fucking complete lunacy. Go back to school, you lack basic reading comprehension skills. It explains a lot though.

Idiocy and education are not mutually exclusive; viz Paul Krugman.

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

I don’t think we should do anything, except offer a stern warning.  I believe we will convey that warning but our concern will be primarily rooted in ensuring Iran isn’t meddling into the Iraqi situation.

So did Jimmy Carter. Does “444 days” mean anything to you?

It keeps saying that, and yet it keeps coming back.

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I meant Rob.

That is the message we should be delivering, not the overly arrogant blabbering that Bat or Robert
suggest.

Now you’re just lying.  You said it was no big deal, and the rest of us said it was a real threat.  Now, you belatedly acknowledge(after being fed the words) that it is a dangerous, threatening situation(which is what the rest of us said in the beginning), and you make up some total fiction.  You are the one who was wrong, as usual.

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I meant Rob.

in a couple of years he will have meant Bush was brilliant, typos happen.

I am dead certain 80% of your pool is fucking retarded Ron.

*shrugs*

I don’t pick who comments here, and except in a scant few instances (exactly 4) where I’ve been absolutely forced to ban someone (one guy had to literally start posting gay porn in the comments before I’d ban him) everyone is allowed to comment here.

There are people who engage in honest debate here and make good points, and there are others who are just here to troll and stick up for their “side” whatever level of dishonesty that takes.

So it is what it is.  For the most part I think the discussions here are relatively good, given that we’re talking about internet politics.

If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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"I meant Rob.
Hannitized on January 7, 2008 at 07:37 pm”

It says it will leave, and yet it doesn’t.

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Oh come now. We don’t want Hannitized to leave.  I, personally, love our liberal commenters.

They make us look good.

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Rob: (not)Hannitized illustrates typical bully behavior; lots of anger and profanity, then whining like a victim whenever it’s BS gets refuted. We are all to blame for his lack of credibility.  /sarcasm

The inferior workman blames the tool.

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*shrugs*

Don’t ban it Ron....er, I mean Rob.... it’s entertaining. I mean that in the same manor that it was fun to pick on the slow kid in third grade gym class.

I’m going to hell for that.

I wasn’t even thinking of banning anyone.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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goody, we can have more fun with the “Hannitized” one

Lets us summarize. In January, 1981, the messianicly delusional mullahs who rule Iran told the world that they were prepared to sink ships in the Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, and Arabian Sea. They subsequently have fired Penguin, Harpoon, and Silkworm anti-ship missiles into these bodies of water whilst ships of various nations have been navigating said bodies of water. They have also used fastpatrol craft to harass and interdict ships of various nations navigating said bodies of water, going so far as to kidnap and ransom crewmembers and seize items of cargo from ships of various nations navigating said bodies of water. Iran has also used rotary and fixed wing aircraft to harass and interdict ships of various nations navigating said bodies of water. They have also used same to seize control of and kidnap personnel from oil and gas rigs in said bodies of water.

Does that about cover it?

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Does that about cover it?

Not quite; the USS Cole was attacked and damaged(with loss of US life) by a speedboat armed with a bomb.  Clinton’s response: verbal only, just like (non)Hannitized advocates.

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Does that about cover it?

well, from 1981 on, glosses over the incident in 1988, omits the 444 days in 1979 & 1980 that led us to hand Carter his ass, but you summarized it well.

That was not the Iranian Navy, that was a craft of the Yemeni Navy. Crewed by 2 Yemeni Navy personnel. Blame where blame is earned. Trying to teach sannitized a very valuable lesson, though, I very much doubt it will learn.

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Oops. Not Yemeni Navy. Harbor Pilot Service. Don’t want to confuse the poor child, it is quite confused enough as it is!

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