Nothing of substance, no argument, only verbal masturbation and far-right-wing circle jerking.

That is your audience Rob. Now I know why you post such non-sensical stupid crap like this.

Other than the “far-right-wing”, it sounds like your autobiography Hannitized!
Thanks for dropping all pretense of civility!
Why don’t you toddle over to the Daily Kos, where you can offer more of the same and be appreciated?
You’re wasting everybody’s time here.

Two: As most of us know, recon is the first step in preparing for an attack.
Also: if you’re afraid that someone will attack you, you negotiate with them. If the Iranians were really afraid we are going to attack them, threatening us is the wrong thing to do. Some people just don’t seem to know these elementary truths.

Not only is it a big time hero who works with the US military and is a documentary film producer, it lives in Hawaii and has a “hot” girlfriend AND hobnobs with Ringknockers on a daily basis.

Never said I was a hero. i simply indicated that my work entails I deal with a lot of important people who run and protect this country. And I am sure that is hard for your partisan brain to compute? And it’s my GF who is a director (not producer) and is working on a treatment for a documentary. We are working on a separate one together that has no funding approved.

Back to battery, sanni. How wide is the navigable channel of the Strait of Hormuz?

What is the relevance of this question? Do you mean to ask how wide is its narrowest point?

How many fastpatrol craft has Iran in current operational cohorts?(I’ll make this one easy on you, just list those 20 meters and above) How many times during the last 10 years have Iranian Naval elements boarded and commandeered ships flying National Colors other than those of Iran or Great Britain?

I am in no rush to answer your questions until i know what you are getting at.

It is 22:06, EST. You have 10 minutes, don’t dawdle. Tick tock!

Look lame-brain. You never take the time to answer any questions. Until I know what you are up to, your questions are suspect.

“hannitized”

The Mad Mullahs are looking for a fight, and have been for nearly 30 years. Eventually, they will get it.

The Mad Mullahs engaged in a decade long war with Iraq that was a bloody stalemate. We’ve twice gone through Iraq like shit through a goose. Yet the mad mullahs continue to provoke us at every turn.

Time and Past time for Operation Carthage for a variety of good reasons.

Again you make things up; no one other than you mentioned us attacking them.

OK, then exlain what you meant when you said:

Mahmoud has told us straight out what his plans are, and if we want to preserve our own existence and the existence of the free world, we will take the necessary steps to do so.

What steps Robert?

Then you made this remark:

You said it was no big deal, and the rest of us said it was a real threat.

So if you think there was a real threat, and you say you don’t want to attack them, what do you propose we do because of the threat you say is real? Nothing????????

Lastly, I will leave you with this:

What part of calling for a strong defense against those who threaten to destroy us is “arrogant babbling”?

Again, what is a “strong defense”??? Apparently, if you say you don’t want to attack them you are condoning we do….guess what? NOTHING.

HILARIOUS!!!

“hannitized” promises:

That is it. I am done with this site.

Don’t let the door hit you in your ass on the way out. Short bus should be at the curb momentarily.

I am dead certain 80% of your pool is fucking retarded Ron.

Meanwhile you have convinced us the lights may be on, but no one worth corresponding with is home.

Seriously, dude…..that is just fucking complete lunacy. Go back to school, you lack basic reading comprehension skills. It explains a lot though.

Idiocy and education are not mutually exclusive; viz Paul Krugman.

Dept of Navy, DoD, and the President have all clearly stated this was a provocation and is an ongoing problem. sanni continues to side with terrorists and the declared enemies of America. Nothing new here. See y’all tomorrow.

Bush said “all options are on the table” to protect U.S. ships. He said the Iranian boats “were very provocative and it was a dangerous gesture on their part. … And they know our position, and that is: There will be serious consequences if they attack our ships, pure and simple. And my advice to them is don’t do it.”

Rodney, you just posted the same thing I did earlier. You are proving “my” point, not yours.

I said we would offer a stern warning, I even said Bush might say something, and he only did because he asked by a reporter. I know, I watched the press conference!

Further, Bush said we would only do something IF ATTACKED. I suspect, next time, we would do something as well, perhaps. But nothing Bush said supports YOUR position, that we DO SOMETHING, NOW!

Rob look what Rob said, look wat batshitcrazy said, look at what Robert said. All of you wanted us to do something about it, now. Nobody from this blog, suggested we should do something, only if we were attacked.

How can you guys bee so simple minded and clueless at the same time?

Who is infantile Rodney?

“hannitized” you ignorant child.

“Freedom of Navigation” is a matter of vital national interest to the United States, particularly as it pertains to the Strait of Hormuz. The United States Navy has paid a blood price to ensure that freedom, and stands ready to do so again. Hostile demonstrations against our warships exercising the right of Innocent Passage through International Waters is not tolerable.

“hannitized”

That was in the nature of a test. To no one’s great surprise, you failed.

I realize you think you are really funny right now. But here is the thing, I am not humiliated by your stupid remark.

That (How big is your girl friend’s podunk?) was, in point of inconvenient fact, a Question. The question mark (?) at the end should have given that much away. Furthermore, it is a question with a rote response. Those who have been there and done that know the rote response.

I really could care less what you think and I am more than willing to talk about my personal life. You know why? Because I have a fabulous one.

I don’t much care about your life, personal or otherwise. The rote answer to the question is one means of identifying alumni of my alma matter, as opposed to the poseurs.

You see, you have been passing yourself as someone familiar with the branch of service in which I served, and you specifically asked a question concerning a piece of trivia unique to my alma matter. I then provided you with the rope by which you have hanged whatever thin shreds of verisimilitude and veracity which may have remained.

Are you suggesting that you want to compare girlfriends? My girlfriend is hot and why would I be embarrassed to point that out?

At this point I see no reason to believe anything you type.

Somebody needs to explain to this guy what a “chicken-hawk” is!

Proof,

Nah! Why bother? When you consider the source, it really isn’t much of an insult anyway. Any ignorant, high school sophomore could come up with that one.

And its claim that Dept.Nav, DoD, and the President consider it a non-issue is an outright lie.

This puts lie to that claim.

“President Bush described the confrontation as a “provocative act.”
And
“Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff disputed Iranian claims that the incident early Sunday was a routine encounter, saying Iran’s “provocative” actions were “deadly serious” to the U.S. military.
And
“Cosgriff objected to Iranian attempts to downplay the incident, saying, “This is deadly serious to me.”

Looks as if they actually do take this seriously, eh, sanni.

And lets us not be leaving out the Rev Guards in this little incident. Since sanni places more credence in the words of self proclaimed Jihadis, here they are. Very convincing, what.
“”The footage released by the US Navy are file pictures and the audio has been fabricated,” Iranian state-run TV quoted a Revolutionary Guards source as saying.”
And
“The Iranian parliamentary speaker has dismissed the affair as being part of a US propaganda campaign against Tehran.”
Which parliamentary speaker? The one who represents the Revolutionary Guards. How convenient. A “military” unit has its own member of Parliament.

Guess we can just pretend the Houdong and Cat-14 and Kaman fastattack patrol craft, cause sanni and the Rev Guards are just so believable.

“hannitized” replied:

I didnt[sic] understand your point.

You don’t say?

It was tough to decipher your message through all of the right-wing penis in your mouth.

This, class, is what is known as projection.

Did you have a point?

Indeed I did. I was hoping that via the license plate we could track down the short bus operator and perhaps get your guardian/keeper to come and collect you.

Or, are you also suggesting that Iran was threatening to shut down the strait?

The rational folks I know take such demonstrations as threats and deal with them as such, which just reinforces the point that you are not in the group of rational folks I know.

“hannitized”

Does your mother know you’ve been annoying the adults?

Somebody needs to tell hannitized what “ass-ume” means!

I wonder why the man with the “hot” girlfriend and the “fabulous” life and meaningful employment is so bitterly angry all the time?
This does not compute.

I have never heard Bat speak of any service,

And yet, you have no problem speaking as if you did! What hubris! And then, when someone tries to give you a clue, you bite the hand that feeds you. What a retarded troll you must be!

Rub some hand lotion on your “hot girl friend“. Your palms are getting chapped!

Neither Republicans, who actually care about these things, nor Democrats who desperately need to avoid this sort of foreign instigated confrontation if they hope to win in November, will stand for a business-as-usual response from the Navy.

An intellectually dishonest person, like Robert, would say that you are insulting the bravery of our war-fighters in a time of war. I won’t go that far because, unlike Robert, I am intellectually honest and not a far-right-loon.

What I will say, as a rational and reasonable response to this arrogant posturing, is that your arrogance endangers any progress that we could hope to make on the more important matters of keeping Iran’s revolutionary guards and their weaponry out of Iraq, in addition to the most important matter of gaining cooperation in their agreement to stop further progress on their nuclear interests.

You would throw all of the progress made in Iraq away, and further escalate an unstable ME all for the sake of some mindless aggressive maneuvering from Iran. Again, you prove that we should not be worried about the left, we should be worried about the far right. YOU!

Unless you plan on criticizing the president and continue insulting our servicmen, your position is getting weaker and weaker and you are revealing yourself as a misguided chicken-hawk (Bat).

“hannitized”

You opined:

But, now that it has occurred, what do you suggest we do?

I am anxious to hear your response, even though we all know you won’t provide one.

Which means you either have not bothered to read my sig, or lack the Latin to comprehend it.

Ignorant child.

“President Bush described the confrontation as a “provocative act.”

Bush lied, your heroes in Islamic Jihad and Al Queda died.

if you actually care about having fair debate, it requires that those you “debate” with have intellectual honesty, intelligence, the ability to report facts accurately and a good intention. You guys have none of those qualities….except pparetts.

H,

That was reasonably well said, although the rest of your comment was, as usual, excessively tedious.

But on that note it is also true that you’ve afforded the rest of us the perfect opportunity to part company with you. I, for one, have no more interest in your opinions than I have in your purported social life. Neither is of any particular interest. What you think about the incident in the Strait of Hormuz is no more significant than who you might have had drinks with last weekend.

No doubt you will continue to bray on about having “won” some sort of epic victory. But that opinion too is neither interesting nor important.

I wonder why the man with the “hot” girlfriend and the “fabulous” life and meaningful employment is so bitterly angry all the time?

Proofthatyouguysareidiots,

I’m not angry all the time. I do get bitter and I do get angry when I deal with morons who aren’t intellectually honest. Unlike guys like Pparetts, you guys never look for middle ground. You argue stupid and childish points that ignore basic logic an honesty. I am struggling to understand the derangement that guys like you suffer from that allow you to live in your world of denial.

I spend time on these sites because it serves two purposes. One, it proves my positions are rational, fair and founded in rational thought. Compare my prediction to the paranoia and arrogant calls to arms you guys were making earlier. It’s proof that you guys do nothing but rile each other up unnecessarily. Two, it offers material for the documentary we are considering working on.

Some blogs rarely offer responsible political discourse. Rob, provides proof of this by offering “I think the comments are pretty good considering this is about “Internet Politics”", what ever internet politics are in his mind.

As far as my personal life goes. You guys keep trying to attack it, and then when I defend it, you guys get all bent out of shape.

This does not compute.

It doesnt compute to you because you are probably a self involved average American who only cares about himself and his “team”. I happen to care about the country and how responsible political discourse should occur within it. I don’t think you folks and/or this site is responsible in that regard.

None of you, except PParets and possibly some others I haven’t come across yet, appear to be adult enough to actually have accurate, intellectually honest and responsible dialogue about our countries serious problems. You hate the MSM, but they are in fact much better and more responsible than 90% of the blogosphere. You love the blogoshpere because it gives you a chance to create and live in a virtual reality of the world view you fantasize about and it gives venue for the right-wing circle jerk party that so much enjoy. THAT is what bothers me because I feel people like you are dangerous.

That is reason enough to be bitter, because if you actually care about having fair debate, it requires that those you “debate” with have intellectual honesty, intelligence, the ability to report facts accurately and a good intention. You guys have none of those qualities….except pparetts.

And its claim that Dept.Nav, DoD, and the President consider it a non-issue is an outright lie.

Awww, look. It tries even still to refute my challenges. Here 2, let’s look at my prediction of how the Administration would handle this situation:

My prediction:

Nothing will happen, as nothing should. Instead, well get some poppy-cocking by some low level administration official and perhaps some stupid public speak from Bush (if that) and well put it behind us. Period! Behind the scenes, officials will continue to talk with Iranian officials about the good work they are doing of keeping weapons and explosive material from entering Iraq. Both sides will occasionally flex and use aggressive language with each other about the concern of Nuclear weapons. Iran will continue to signify its desire to look strong and behind the scenes will work towards resolving the Nuclear arms concerns in addition to their desire to pursue nuclear energy.

Further, the issue was whether or not Iran was attempting to block the straight of oil shipments (see repeated comments like this)

Bat, they did not threaten shipping vessels, they were hostile to WARSHIPS. You know the difference, I am assuming?

…and also that you guys were saying it posed a threat that would linger past the event. I said that it was a conflict that narrowly avoided disaster. Meaning that the aggressive military moves, that the Military obviously took seriously, could have escalated if they handn’t backed off, but they did, so it makes this statement all the more factual.

Therefore, I think it is safe to conclude that Iran was not “threatening to block oil shipments”! It’s obvious they made an aggressive military movement towards our ships. Why? Is is possible Iran was afraid of us? Maybe? Who knows. But NOBODY, and by nobody I dont mean you morons, I mean nobody with a brain (the Administration) is suggesting this was an attempt to “block the strait”.

So see the difference hotel? There is a difference between saying this IS a threat vs. it WAS a threat. Robert and I have gone over and over on this. You guys think it IS, I think it WAS. Your childish argument really doesnt deserve much more response.

Looks as if they actually do take this seriously, eh, sanni.

I never contested the Navy or military took the aggressive movements seriously at the time. But the difference is that we will not do anything about it, other than offer a stern warning. It’s what I said from the beginning, you moron.
As evidenced by my previous statement.

I can agree that it can ignite a fireball. That was the catastrophe that was narrowly avoided. I don’t think we should do anything, except offer a stern warning. I believe we will convey that warning but our concern will be primarily rooted in ensuring Iran isn’t meddling into the Iraqi situation. This is nothing more than a game of push and shove right now. Had it gone farther, we would be in a mess. That is the message we should be delivering, not the overly arrogant blabbering that Bat or Robert suggest. I’ll wager on that.

You see? Your stupid post only highlights that “I” was correct and that you guys were wrong. Where is our action to do something other than offer a warning? Anybody? Bhueller?

r108 and 2H9,

Did anyone get the license plate of the short bus that deposited hannitized with us?

Not quite; the USS Cole was attacked and damaged(with loss of US life) by a speedboat armed with a bomb. Clinton’s response: verbal only, just like (non)Hannitized advocates.

The USS Cole bombing would be an apt comparison, finally. Let’s be clear that an attack on a warship is not the same as blocking the strait to cut off OIL supply (looking at you Bat-shitcrazy). Further, R o b e r t,….i have never advocated a verbal response to a real attack, it was aggressive maneuvering, NOT AN ATTACK, do you understand the difference?

Not my position, so again you lie. Do you know what a “strait” is? It’s a narrow stretch of water connecting two larger bodies of water. In other words, a “choke point”. A few fast patrol boats used as suicide bombs could effective block the Strait of Hormuz by attacking a few warships, because of the narrow passage. Get it?

The strait is 25 miles wide at its narrowest point. That dog don’t hunt!

Do you even know where the altercation took place? What coordinates?

If you knew anything, you would know that the attack there means something different from an attack on one of our ships in the open sea, or even in a harbor. This has always been a threat in the Strait of Hormuz. Read up on it.

What do you recommend I read? You must have read something to say that. I am looking forward to hearing of the book you read.

My apologies if you aren’t of the same opinion as Bat. You certainly appeared to be supporting him on his lame brained paranoia.

Ahh, there it was. Bush said nothing about the Iranian ship confrontation until asked, by a reporter.

His response was something to the effect of “Iranian ships made some dangerous movements and we have communicated that if they attack our ships there would be serious consequences and my advice is, don’t do it”. Thats it!

So to summarize, were not going to do anything, unless they attack us. Do you see now, morons, how you over-reacted?

Because we aren’t afraid of them. Duh.

You say “duh” and “I” am the angry teen? Ohhh boiy!

I know you can’t do simple logic, but you claimed awhile back that one of the excuses for their aggressive act was that they feared we would attack them.

It was a thought. In retrospect it probably wasn’t the reality, now that I know more facts. They were probably just being really stupid and hoping for an escalation, that you are more than willing to give them. Good thing our top Military minds are on the ball and didn’t take the bait. Next time, they won’t be afforded the same luxury.

Im not the only one who finds this behavior baffling, apparently, defense secretary Robert Gates agrees with me, not you.

SAN DIEGO — Defense secretary Robert Gates urged Iran to disavow provocative military acts Monday following last weekend’s tense confrontation between U.S. warships and vessels of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.

Gates, visiting Navy and Marine bases in the San Diego area, spoke briefly to reporters about last Sunday’s incident, which he described as troubling.
“The risk of an incident or an incident escalating is real,” he said, describing the Tehran regime as very unpredictable. “I can’t imagine what was on their minds.”

And it’s not just him Lt. Col. Mark Wright is also baffled, and yet somehow fail to make the connection that this was part of a pre-emptive attack on the US.

Department of Defense spokesman Lt. Col. Mark Wright said no shots were fired by either side during the incident, but the U.S. warships were prepared to take action if needed.

“Our vessels were approached in an aggressive manner by vessels that were accessed to be Iranian,” Lt. Col. Wright added. “Our three vessels took appropriate action and were prepared to take further precautions if necessary.”

How about the Pentagon?

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said the Iranian Revolutionary Guard’s aggressive behavior is “cause for real concern,” adding that “it is perplexing why five small Iranian boats would confront three U.S. warships operating in international waters.”

How about the white house?

The White House warned Iran against any further confrontations. “We urge the Iranians to refrain from such provocative actions that could lead to a dangerous incident in the future,” said Gordon D. Johndroe, a White House spokesman.

Admiral Cosgriff said that, in the past, relations with the regular Iranian Navy had been courteous and professional, and that many interactions at sea with the Revolutionary Guards vessels have been normal.

You don’t make sense, as usual, Angry Teen.

Except for the fact that I nailed it on the head with my prediction, making absolutely PERFECT SENSE.

Brian Whitman, spokesman for the Pentagon, said the military will work with State Department and National Security Council officials to determine “the appropriate way to address this with the Iranian government.”
Iran’s actions come at a time when tension between Washington and Tehran has become increasingly tense over issues such as Iran’s nuclear program and suspicion that Iran is continuing to aid terrorist organizations in the region.

You guys are loosers! My prediction was exactly right!

So now not only are you a big time hero working “with” the US military and a documentary film producer, you toddle about chewing the fat with “Naval Captains” on a regular basis.

Not just Captains 2, Admirals as well. What do you think Naval officers do in Hawaii, go to North Dakota on their days off? I work with the 6th and 7th fleet you moron. When Admirals cant access their exchange database when jumping from ship to shore because their exchange databases aren’t synced up, who do you think solves these problems? Technology integrators and innovators. And you need to talk to Admirals to get a solution bought off on after it has been hardened and accredited.

I golf with a retired Admiral and drink with Naval captains. My girlfriend lives with a lady who’s husband was the youngest Captain to command a ship in the Vietnam war. He has a lot of friends who went to the same Naval acadamey, I frequent their get togethers. So what? You can’t handle? Whats the mascot of the Naval Academy 2? Have any idea?

Hell, do you have any idea how many nations have naval combat craft in the region?

That is the message we should be delivering, not the overly arrogant blabbering that Bat or Robert
suggest.

Now you’re just lying. You said it was no big deal, and the rest of us said it was a real threat. Now, you belatedly acknowledge(after being fed the words) that it is a dangerous, threatening situation(which is what the rest of us said in the beginning), and you make up some total fiction. You are the one who was wrong, as usual.

You can cry about my arrogance all you wan’t Robert. But in the end, it’s nothing more than a distraction from my ability to correctly identify your right-wing lunacy that was encouraging a strong response. And when I offered up a warning would suffice, I was mocked. And Bush did exactly as I had predicted (and only because he was asked) and nothing more.

Need I remind you of the attitude from the far-right loons?

With our mission in Iraq hinging upon that nation’s ability to get back on its feet, and with Iraq’s economy hinging on oil sales, Iran causing problems in the Strait is going to have to be dealt with.

Its Iran’s Revolutionary Guard forces that were responsible for this. Clearly Bush will need to respond, and strongly.

“I meant Rob.
Hannitized on January 7, 2008 at 07:37 pm”

It says it will leave, and yet it doesn’t.

I meant Rob.

in a couple of years he will have meant Bush was brilliant, typos happen.

I meant Rob.

(not even remotely)Hannitized: I guess you don’t know the difference between “defense” and “attack” either. I’ll add that to an already very long list.

And yet, you have no problem speaking as if you did! What hubris! And then, when someone tries to give you a clue, you bite the hand that feeds you. What a retarded troll you must be!

Rub some hand lotion on your “hot girl friend”. Your palms are getting chapped!

Look Proofyouareamonkey,

I can be man enough to admit when I am mistaken. If he is/was in the military, I am sorry. Now how about you?

Are you going to be man enough and admit you guys were wrong and I was right about the correct manner to address this issue? Did I, or did I not call the appropriate response and the reasons why we are concerned not to provoke the issue further? It’s a very straight forward question.

All you have is focusing on these little trivial issues that have nothing to do with the issue. Get to the matter at hand!

H,

Y’know, with all that high level schmoozing and smarmy self-congratulation, I’d have thought your social skills and personality development would be so much more advanced.

Your manners here at SAB have been nothing short of overbearing and boorish. The notion that your girlfriend’s roommate’s former husband, or your own golf partner’s military career somehow lend credibility to what you write here is both laughable and pathetic.

The only thing that really matters is the substance of your comments, not who you drink with or what you do for a living. History is rife with idiots who somehow managed to become Flag grade officers. Its unlikely that today’s Navy is any different.

Deadline is …

Your questions are vague and unless I know what point you are trying to make I am not going to bother. I can not tailor my response to address what I am sure to be a unfair question.

BBB,

You’re obviously still behind, kid. Let me know when you caught up.

Does that about cover it?

Not quite; the USS Cole was attacked and damaged(with loss of US life) by a speedboat armed with a bomb. Clinton’s response: verbal only, just like (non)Hannitized advocates.

“Fact one: The internet doesn’t go everywhere in the world. It spans the regions where we have cable paths and/or microwave and sattle-light connectivity.”

What the fuck does this stupid assed crap have to do with the threat issued by the Mad Mullahs against commercial and military ships within 2000 miles of the coasts of Iran?

Oops. Not Yemeni Navy. Harbor Pilot Service. Don’t want to confuse the poor child, it is quite confused enough as it is!

BTW, we have been patrolling the Strait of Hormuz for decades. Strike two.

robert108 is correct, Hannitized. The U.S. was asked to patrol the straits and escort tankers that were re-flagged to appear to be of Kuwaiti origin in the area, because of IRANIAN threats to sink tankers with the intent of shutting down the straits. Iran proceeded to mine the straits which lead to operation praying mantis in 1988. Educate yourself.

So if you look at things that way it would be the US that could be viewed as the aggressor.

Now the leftie wants to blame America first for Pearl Harbor; too funny!

The Iranians are playing a deadly game here that will be absolutely

devastating to themselves, much less to the entire world. These are actions of war. I would ask that those on the left would drop their obsession with Bush for a moment to consider what is transpiring in this part of the world. This is major and it’s not the first time they have made these kinds of threats in the Strait.

What threat? Can somebody show me that their intent is to cut off the Strait???? Does anybody have a f-ing brian in ND??

Like I said, the only thing we have to worry about are MORONs like YOU who can’t understand what the hell is happening and overreact out of some fear and misinterpretation of reality. MORON!

Fact one: The internet doesn’t go everywhere in the world. It spans the regions where we have cable paths and/or microwave and sattle-light connectivity. The internet starts from your PC to the cable in your neighborhood to possibly a SONET ring to some regional CLEC, iLEC or other to a peer point or NAP, then from there it hits a regional transit hub and based on your Internet providers IP it will run on one of several backbone providers network (Verizon, AT&T, Quest, Sprint, ect) back to a regional transit hub, to a local peer point or NAP and to a local iLEC, CLEC to a sonet network to a local central office and then to the server you are trying to reach.

You can do a trace rout and determine exactly where your traffic is going by:
From the Start menu, select Run… .
In the “Open:” box, type cmd (Windows NT, 2000, and XP) or command (Windows 95, 98, and Me).
At the command prompt, enter tracert computer , where computer is the IP address, name, or web site of the computer you are trying to access. For example, if you enter tracert http://www.indiana.edu , you should see something similar to the following:
Tracing route to http://www.indiana.edu [129.79.78.8]

Fact Two: Brian is not just a boys name. But does it make you feel good to get someone on a typo? Do you know its not proper internet Netiquette to point out someone’s typos?

Now get to the issue.

And how many of those decades did we talk about STRIKING THEM MILITARILY due to their ambitions to pursue nuclear interests?

How many decades has Iran been pursuing nuclear weapons? You can’t really be that dim, can you?

Does anybody have a f-ing brian in ND??

Fact One: We’re not all from ND; you know that the internet goes everywhere in the world, don’t you?

Fact Two: “Brian” is a boy’s name. Isn’t it just frustrating when you’re trying your hardest to insult someone, and end up misspelling the key word, which only makes you look like a dufus instead of a smart guy?

H,

You’re here a little earlier than usual. Semester break? Or did your GED class simply let out early today?

Oh, yeah, that’s right. Your some kinda hotshot government Pooh-Bah, aren’t you? Burn bag detail, or some crap like that, wasn’t it?

Look, the fact of the matter is you’ve got the basics of name-calling down pat, but beyond that you got NOTHING! Your most energetic insults are largely trite and sophomoric… the the sort of tedious invective one hears on a middle school playground, while the rest of your “comments” are no more substantive, fact-based, or for that matter, interesting.

The only one who takes your self-professed wisdom seriously is you… and that’s only because you simply don’t have the sense to know any better.

and with Iraq’s economy hinging on oil sales, Iran causing problems in the Strait is going to have to be dealt with.

Question: What was the end result? What “needs” to be done if a conflict was avoided? What I would ask that you remember, and of course you will fail to put this on proper context, is the location of the straight? Hint: It’s a hell of a lot closer to Iran than Iraq.

It’s a bit like like Iran being in the SD harbour instead of passing through the Panama Canal if it had business in Panama.

Discussion question: How long until the left (and the Ron Paul wing of the right) is blaming the President, and not the Iranians, for this incident after Bush’s decision to label the Revolutionary Guard “supporters of terrorism?”

A better question is how long until the far right over reacts and demands that “this be dealt with” and starts the war drums. Trust me, it’s not the left we need to worry about, its people like you who don’t understand the first thing about conflicts.

It is standard procedure to talk about “brining down planes or ships” if you feel someone is in your waters, airspace or whatever. That is what they are “supposed” to do.

What we need to remember is that conflict was avoided. Besides, I doubt Bush will do anything because he’s just now starting to come out of his clusterf@ck. He is too worried about his legacy to make any rash decisions, despite the far right loons who are cheering him on to do so.

I did get your point Bat One, however I don’t think the Mullahs would allow Mahmoud to go that far since their detonation would have too great of a local impact, and Allah doesn’t know enough virgins to cover the consequences of the response.

Why did you bring it up?

Um….I didnt genius, Robert did. Scroll up!

Look, the fact of the matter is you’ve got the basics of name-calling down pat, but beyond that you got NOTHING!

Gee, really Bat? How about the minor detail that IRAN WAS NOT BLOCKING OIL SHIPMENTS, DID NOT THREATEN OIL SHIPMENTS (this time)? Why are you living in your imagined and paranoid world? It was a stupid aggressive military maneuver!

You want to go on record on what you predict the outcome will be? I did. YOU got nothing!

Your most energetic insults are largely trite and sophomoric… the the sort of tedious invective one hears on a middle school playground, while the rest of your “comments” are no more substantive, fact-based, or for that matter, interesting.

Nothing fact-based other than the article I linked? Where is your evidence or link that sates Iran was threatening to block the strait to prevent OIL from shipping out? Moron!

The only one who takes your self-professed wisdom seriously is you… and that’s only because you simply don’t have the sense to know any better.

Oh boy, the right-wing circle jerks stick together, all while ignoring the facts! Lame!

I like Paulbots because they’re kind of like Voltron. The more of them you hook togather the more devistating thier bat-shittery becomes.

By all means, guys, back Ron all you like and have a great time with it. However, don’t be too shocked when Ron Paul is not, in fact, the next President. Additionally, don’t be too shocked when he loses his seat in Texas because there are more than enough embarassed people in his district in Texas.

BBB,

Actually, the direct opposite of “I could care less…” would be “I couldn’t care less…”

Got it?

As for your personal life, I have no assumptions about that at all. I honestly couldn’t care less!

Did they actually do what they said they were going to do and blow up a ship? NO!

Sure is a good thing that NIE made it clear that the Iranians have no interest in nuclear weapons. It would certainly be an inconvenience to have to take threats seriously BEFORE they escalate into active attacks when the weaponry involved is nuclear.

I give Bush one year to deal with Iran. After that, I want the crowd ousted that gave us laws like IMBRA that consider all American men to be terrorist “sex offenders” until proven otherwise via background checks.

This sounds too much like the Gulf of Tonkin fakery and I say this as someone who feels the Vietnam War was necessary and the Iraq War was necessary.

You are smart enough to recognize that the “Ron Paul Wing” does consist of Republicans.

We are not going to allow neocon Republicans to remain in office even at the Congressman level in 2008. So it is now or never to deal with Iran.

You should back Ron Paul for his domestic policy of upholding the Constitution on matters other than foreign policy. Ron Paul won’t be president for another year. If the neocons have not dealt with Iran by then, it means they do not WANT to deal with Iran, but keep them as a perpetual enemy (permawar).

That was reasonably well said, although the rest of your comment was, as usual, excessively tedious.

But on that note it is also true that you’ve afforded the rest of us the perfect opportunity to part company with you. I, for one,….blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Good riddance Bat! I need nothing more than to make a few remarks that contrast the usual inaccurate and overreactive responses that this audience offers. The confrontations that occur afterwards have been nothing more than childish distractions anyway.

As long a logical argument is made in contention of the usual far right-wing blabbering lunacy that usually accompanies an inaccurate spin of the facts (Say Anything’s posts), my job is done.

Bat,

Agreed:

individuals who all too often have no sense of self-preservation at all, but view their own death and destruction as a noble and glorious achievement.

Then we, as fellow human beings, should do everything we can to make their wish come true.

I wonder if any of those Iranian sailors aboard those boats was thinking, “Man, this is really, really bad idea” as they approached warships that are capable of turning them from boats with sailors in them into floating splinters with mist chunks of former humans among them in seconds.

heh.

R108,

I wouldn’t disagree that USC may well be the best team in the country…now that they are all healthy again. Certainly they put an ol’ fashioned ass-whuppin’ on Illinois, much like Georgia demolished the only unbeaten Division 1 team, Hawaii. However my point was that the SEC is consistently the best conference in the country with more Top Ten and Top Twenty teams and more BCS national championships than any other conference to prove it.

While we’re at it, how genuinely weird was this season… one in which every #1 rated team AND every #2 rated team got beaten? Appalachian State, anyone?

Amazing, Rod. It dances and spins with the grace of a drunken goonybird. Its inability to answer even the simplest question is par for the course. In the immortal words of Vinny “Bagadonuts”, we is done wit dis guy.

Iran: Another bully posing as a victim to justify its aggression. Yawn.

Rodney,

I wonder how many of the US Navy’s fleet of admirals will be quietly seeking other employment in the coming months over this incident? Had any of those Iranian RGN speedboats been packed with high explosives, as implicitly advertised, this probing challenge could easily have come to rival the USS Cole disaster.

Neither Republicans, who actually care about these things, nor Democrats who desperately need to avoid this sort of foreign instigated confrontation if they hope to win in November, will stand for a business-as-usual response from the Navy.

The fact is that our ship was ready to do armed response when the terrorist scum cut and ran. It’s called a state of heightened readiness. I can’t believe your ignorance, even though you have spewed so much of it. I keep waiting for you to know something, and yet you continue to know nothing. The whole “attack” meme is a creation of your own paranoia. No one else has mentioned that around this incident. Repeated instances, though, might get a different response. You must need attention very badly, to endure this much ridicule.

Your manners here at SAB have been nothing short of overbearing and boorish.

Likewise, and you always say the same thing. Now what?

The notion that your girlfriend’s roommate’s former husband, or your own golf partner’s military career somehow lend credibility to what you write here is both laughable and pathetic.

Um, it’s pertinent if you are trying to establish that aggressive manuvers happen all the time with Naval ships. Their stories and my relationship with help establish credibility to those facts. Something you know very little about.

The only thing that really matters is the substance of your comments, not who you drink with or what you do for a living. History is rife with idiots who somehow managed to become Flag grade officers. Its unlikely that today’s Navy is any different.

Im not in the Navy. I help the Navy, among a long list of others. And what you do for a living does establish evidence of your intelligence and intellect.

And i would love to know what 2Hotel and Robert do for a living. If they are up for it. If not, then lets stop calling Hanny a liar about what he does.

Pilgrim,

I agree. A nation such as ours, founded on the principles of religious tolerance and inclusiveness, should do everything possible to accommodate the virulently self-destructive teachings of radical Islam.

But petty partisan stupidity aside, the fact remains that the Strait of Hormuz is the gateway to world markets for the oil produced by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates. Plus a substantial portion of Iran’s oil production as well.

Hey Bat-shitcrazy,

Where does the article talk about Iran preventing oil from being exported? Or are you just merely giving a lesson to your students who don’t understand the obvious? What is the point of your rant?

People who post self-congratulatory, mindless drivel such as this, (er…you mean like this)
The willingness of the idiots on the Left to allow Iraq to dissolve into sectarian and economic chaos merely to prove themselves prescient is well established.

Hypocritical idiot!!

…just about the last persons to be “trusted” when a real conflict looms after so large a portion of the world’s supply of crude is suddenly made unavailable and the price of oil vaults from $95 a barrel to $495 in response to an Iranian blockade.

Hey moron, they didn’t cut off the straight, they made an aggressive military move. These things happen all the time. The issue was the language they used, not some made up fantasy about blocking the straight, you complete fucking idiot.

Here, why don’t you educate yourself on the facts, before you pretend to speak like you know what you are talking about??

http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3147217.ece?token=null&offset=12

The incident surprised many Iran experts who said both Washington and Tehran had made recent efforts to “de-escalate” their confrontation. One sceptical analyst said: “Have you ever heard of a suicide bomber saying, ‘hey, I’m going to blow myself up right now’?”

Washington will want to determine whether the Iranian action was the result of overzealous Revolutionary Guards in the area acting on their own initiative or whether an intended provocation was planned in Tehran.

…

Iranian analysts urged caution, saying there had been public attempts by Tehran and Washington recently to ease tensions. The US military had also mis-read Iranian radio communications in the past, most notably in 1988 when the USS Vincennes, an American guided missile cruiser, mistakenly shot down an Iranian civilian airliner over the Strait of Hormuz, killing all 290 passengers and crew.

“Both sides have made an effort to de-escalate the conflict,” Karim Sadjadpour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington said. “But there are forces in both the US and Iran who don’t want to see an improvement of ties… and whenever efforts are made to reduce the tension they often-times create incidents to sabotage this confidence-building,” he told The Times.

You see that little piece about de-escalation????

DoE lists the Strait of Hormuz and the Straits of Malacca as the two most lethal potential “choke points” in the world. Only an extraordinarily determined moron would take such a threat to the world’s economy lightly.

Yes, while that is true, NOBODY WAS THREATENING TO BLOCK IT FROM OIL SHIPMENTS…….IDIOT!!

Like I said, the only thing we have to worry about are MORONs like YOU who can’t understand what the hell is happening and overreact out of some fear and misinterpretation of reality. MORON!

Bat: I notice that not one of the raving lefties has dealt with the real issue raised by this incident: Iranian aggression and how it is related to their quest for nuclear weapons. Mahmoud has told us straight out what his plans are, and if we want to preserve our own existence and the existence of the free world, we will take the necessary steps to do so. He won’t wait forever to make good on his threats.

Oh bruther! Now that the idiot Bat put the softball, lamebrain right-wing phony argument up on the T-ball for the babie minds like Robert to hit, we get gems like these.

Jeezus. I just can’t believe people are THIS stupid!

My prediction:

Nothing will happen, as nothing should. Instead, well get some poppy-cocking by some low level administration official and perhaps some stupid public speak from Bush (if that) and well put it behind us. Period! Behind the scenes, officials will continue to talk with Iranian officials about the good work they are doing of keeping weapons and explosive material from entering Iraq. Both sides will occasionally flex and use aggressive language with each other about the concern of Nuclear weapons. Iran will continue to signify its desire to look strong and behind the scenes will work towards resolving the Nuclear arms concerns in addition to their desire to pursue nuclear energy.

I especially enjoy when it screams at its computer, Mommy must wonder what is going on down there.

Oh, and don’t forget its lame attempts to phish people’s personal data. A sure giveaway that it is a standard issue leftard troll.

Rodney,

I didnt understand your point. It was tough to decipher your message through all of the right-wing penis in your mouth. Did you have a point? Or, are you also suggesting that Iran was threatening to shut down the strait?

Hannitized – who is no fool – clearly understands that the tiniest spark can ignite gasoline into a raging fireball.

I see no evidence of the truth of either of those statements by you, pp.

I like Paulbots because……blah, blah blah, blah….blah, blah, blah.

Nothing of substance, no argument, only verbal masturbation and far-right-wing circle jerking.

That is your audience Rob. Now I know why you post such non-sensical stupid crap like this.

The willingness of the idiots on the Left to allow Iraq to dissolve into sectarian and economic chaos merely to prove themselves prescient is well established. But petty partisan stupidity aside, the fact remains that the Strait of Hormuz is the gateway to world markets for the oil produced by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Qatar, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates. Plus a substantial portion of Iran’s oil production as well.

According to the US Department of Energy, oil shipped through the Strait of Hormuz during 2007 averaged roughly 17 million barrels per day, one fifth of the entire world’s 2007 average daily production of crude oil, and approximately 40% of all oil shipped via tanker over regular maritime shipping lanes.

People who post self-congratulatory, mindless drivel
such as this,

Trust me, it’s not the left we need to worry about, its people like you who don’t understand the first thing about conflicts.

are just about the last persons to be “trusted” when a real conflict looms after so large a portion of the world’s supply of crude is suddenly made unavailable and the price of oil vaults from $95 a barrel to $495 in response to an Iranian blockade.

DoE lists the Strait of Hormuz and the Straits of Malacca as the two most lethal potential “choke points” in the world. Only an extraordinarily determined moron would take such a threat to the world’s economy lightly.

Sure is a good thing that NIE made it clear that the Iranians have no interest in nuclear weapons. It would certainly be an inconvenience to have to take threats seriously BEFORE they escalate into active attacks when the weaponry involved is nuclear.

Look man, youre comparing apples to oranges. That has to be one of the least intelligent comparisons I have ever seen.

You keep boasting of your intellectual prowess, yet you fail MISERABLY at articulating an intelligent argument. You can’t even do the easy thing by support your stupid contention with supporting evidence. You can’t even give me an example of someone who shares your fear….i mean, paranoia.

The only time Iran would threaten to take control of the strait would be if we were militarily aggressive with them about their desire to persue their nuclear ambitions. That essentially means if we were to attack them, that is their fear. That is the second most likely reason for their military aggressiveness towards us. How do they know we weren’t going to attack them? The first is that they are just sort of stupid in their hubris and were flexing a bit.

Again, review my prediction, because that is the way this incident (and thats all it is) will be managed. Period.

2H9,

Like I said… burn bag detail.

Deadline is well past, and you are entirely incapable, or unwilling, to answer very simple questions. Perhaps one of the Ringknockers you blow would be able to answer for you?

Angry Teen: Since this is so puzzling for you, here’s the obvious answer: They did it because they are stupid, self-destructive terrorists who are drinking Mahmoud’s KoolAid that the US won’t respond. After the coward Clinton, I’m not surprised that they think this way. They obviously believe that terrorist-sympathizing lefties like you will somehow save them.

Somebody needs to explain to this guy what a “chicken-hawk” is!

proofyouarestupid,

I have never heard Bat speak of any service, unless I am mistaken on that, the name is applies nicely. If he was a serviceman, then an apology is in order.

Two: As most of us know, recon is the first step in preparing for an attack.

Roby,

You call aggressive maneuvering “recon”? And you think you know what you are talking about? (rolls eyes)

Also: if you’re afraid that someone will attack you, you negotiate with them.

That’s true, but that’s not what you are condoning. Idiot. Do you just realize you contradicted yourself? Moron!

So if you think Iran was “gathering recon” for an attack (laughing) why then aren’t we negotiating with them not to attack us? LAME!

If the Iranians were really afraid we are going to attack them, threatening us is the wrong thing to do. Some people just don’t seem to know these elementary truths.

Dude, you are like 4 or something. Amazing. Who let the kids out?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2008/01/dire_straits_between_the_us_an.html?nav=rss_blog

Adm. Gary Roughead, chief of naval operations, told the Boston Globe yesterday that he worried about misinterpretation resulting in military confrontation. “I do not have a direct link with my counterpart in the Iranian Navy,” Roughead said. “I don’t have a way to communicate directly with the Iranian Navy or Guard.” How stupid is that?

Gee, you mean an Admiral might actually “worry” that stupid posturing by Iran might result in military confrontation? You dont say????

Gosh, Batshitcrazy, maybe we should ask for his resignation? Right? Moron!

“Freedom of Navigation” is a matter of vital national interest to the United States, particularly as it pertains to the Strait of Hormuz.

It is and you have no arguments from me there. What is your point?

The United States Navy has paid a blood price to ensure that freedom, and stands ready to do so again. Hostile demonstrations against our warships exercising the right of Innocent Passage through International Waters is not tolerable.

Well why don’t you tell that to the President of the United States, and not me! I am not, nor have I ever, suggested it wasn’t a serious matter, when it occurred. What I am saying is that we narrowly avoided a disaster due to Iran’s stupidity. But, now that it has occurred, what do you suggest we do?

I am anxious to hear your response, even though we all know you won’t provide one.

I still think it’s a high school kid with a bad attitude that learned how to blog by going to leftie hate sites and swallowing the leftie talking point KoolAid. The rest of it’s claims just don’t track. The inability to spell just screams “govt schools”.

And I know that between the two of us, R o b e r t, I have consistently been the only one who has supported my positions with evidence and/or material to support my position. You, on the other hand have only spouted right-wing memes (poorly) and ramble on about your stupid opinions.

I just proved that you contradicted yourself and you had no response, or at least not a response that adequately addressed the contradiction. You do this sort of thing all the time. I shouldn’t reward your childishness or intellectual dishonesty by responding further, until you respond to the challenges.

You are profoundly ignorant, IMO, and you offer no challenging arguments. Pparetts is the only one who can make a fair argument and answer honestly. The rest of you are a bunch of right-wing hacks.

And Bat,

You just had your ass served to you. You are an idiot if you think that Iran was attempting to block OIL shipments.

Rodney,

I realize you think you are really funny right now. But here is the thing, I am not humiliated by your stupid remark. I really could care less what you think and I am more than willing to talk about my personal life. You know why? Because I have a fabulous one.

Are you suggesting that you want to compare girlfriends? My girlfriend is hot and why would I be embarrassed to point that out?

This just gets gooderer and gooderer! Not only is it a big time hero who works with the US military and is a documentary film producer, it lives in Hawaii and has a “hot” girlfriend AND hobnobs with Ringknockers on a daily basis.

Back to battery, sanni. How wide is the navigable channel of the Strait of Hormuz? How many fastpatrol craft has Iran in current operational cohorts?(I’ll make this one easy on you, just list those 20 meters and above) How many times during the last 10 years have Iranian Naval elements boarded and commandeered ships flying National Colors other than those of Iran or Great Britain?

It is 22:06, EST. You have 10 minutes, don’t dawdle. Tick tock!

Only a malignant narcissist would be so obsessed with his personal life, as if it is significant in any way in the world of ideas.

Of course, if he doesn’t care what we think(an obvious lie), why would he seek to engage us about his personal life? Silly.

Not to pile on here, but are you aware that,…

I am not worried about your attack, trust me.

like so many others too lazy to concern themselves with the specifics of what they say and the correct use of language,

Yes, like so many others on this site. Got it. Your point?

you’ve managed to say the exact opposite of what you meant? Perhaps something a little more rigorous than English?

No, I actually didnt say the opposite. That is really funny though, because you profess to be this educated person, yet you fail to recognize what opposites look like. This is what an opposite looks like:

I really could care less what you think

Opposite: I really care what you think

See the difference?

You are assuming that because I say I am willing to talk about my personal life, it must mean I care what you/others think. I don’t, I merely am suggesting that I am not ashamed of my life. Someone who is ashamed of their life might not be willing to talk, and that would demonstrate that “they care what people think”. Lord. You. Are. A Marooon.

You can blabber and pontificate all you want, but you aren’t winning any points

Hmmm! Sound like anyone we know???

And Bat,

You just had your ass served to you. You are an idiot if you think that Iran was attempting to block OIL shipments.

H,

My apologies for overlooking your attempt at incisive criticism. The oversight was not deliberate, though its telling what one can overlok once the source is considered.

If you will read carefully you should be able to see that I did not say that the Iranians were “attempting to block OIL shipments.”

If that is what you concluded, you are, once again, mistaken. My point, like that made by the Revolutionary Guards Navy speedboats, was more nuanced, subtle, and conjectural. Kinda like unzipping one’s jacket in a bar just enough to let the loudmouth three seats down see the shoulderholster and the butt of the Glock. Not a threat, so much as a subtle hint of power in reserve.

No “book”, just the ongoing history of the Strait of Hormuz. Google it, if you know how.

Oh, I knew there was no book. Dude, why don’t you support your claim, like I always do. You have NEVER supplied a reference to support your claim. Give me a break! Pathetic.

Neither of us is paranoid; we just know what we are talking about,

Hahaha. You must be 19.

Yeah, even though both of you have noone who supports your position, that you can reference. Neither of you got it right about how the US responded and how it intends to do nothing. And that is the stupidest part of your point Robert.

What are you going to do and say when the US does nothing? You do realize they are going to do exactly what I said and not what you said, don’t you?

Who will you blame then?

The part where your arrogant attitude tells the 3 brain cells in your head that attacking a country for an incident that didnt result in any confrontation is DEFENSE and not OFFENSE!

Again you make things up; no one other than you mentioned us attacking them. That is your paranoia speaking.

I do, and under Clinton and Carter there was less terrorist attacks around the world than under Bush 2. What is your point? That Bush made the world less safe?

No; my point is that the appeasement of both Carter and Clinton was the cause of heightened terrorist activity today. Cause and effect; have you never heard of it? By appeasing and ignoring the realities of Islamic terrorism(as you are doing right now), Carter and Clinton enabled the growth in power and strength of those terrorist scum that now threaten the Free World. You really couldn’t figure this out?

What do you recommend I read? You must have read something to say that. I am looking forward to hearing of the book you read. No “book”, just the ongoing history of the Strait of Hormuz. Google it, if you know how.

My apologies if you aren’t of the same opinion as Bat. You certainly appeared to be supporting him on his lame brained paranoia. Neither of us is paranoid; we just know what we are talking about, unlike you.

I would recognize that you go to your sources and get some fresh talking points, but there just aren’t any. All lefties just keep repeating the same old lies.

Sorry about the test comments. For those of you who were having trouble getting to the second page of comments on this thread, it should be fixed now.

I wasn’t even thinking of banning anyone.

Oh come now. We don’t want Hannitized to leave. I, personally, love our liberal commenters.

They make us look good.