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Introducing The USS New York - Made From Steel From The Towers Of 9/11

USS New York

This is amazing:

It was built with 24 tons of scrap steel from the World Trade Center .

It is the fifth in a new class of warship - designed for missions th at include special operations against terrorists. It will carry a crew of 360 sailors and 700 combat-ready Marines to be delivered ashore by helicopters and assault craft.

Steel from the World Trade Center was melted down in a foundry in Amite , LA to cast the ship’s bow section. When it was poured into the molds on Sept 9, 2003, ‘those big rough steelworkers treated it with total reverence,’ recalled Navy Capt. Kevin Wensing, who was there. ‘It was a spiritual moment for everybody there.’

Junior Chavers, foundry operations manager, said that when the trade center steel first arrived, he touched it with his hand and the ‘hair on my neck stood up.’ ‘It had a big meaning to it for all of us,’ he said. ‘They knocked us down. They can’t keep us down. We’re going to be back.’

The ship’s motto? ‘Never Forget’

Damn, that’s fine.

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Damn, that’s fine.

Absolutely.  Let’s hope it kills lots of terrorists.


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robert108 on August 3, 2008 at 01:21 pm

The b------- who flew airplanes loaded with innocent civilians and then crashed them into civilian buildings containing innocent civilians from numerous countries just to make their point that they think Islam is the religion of peace!


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Chief RZ on August 3, 2008 at 01:48 pm

The force is strong in this one…

golfmann on August 3, 2008 at 05:04 pm

Recycling! Those hippies.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on August 3, 2008 at 05:11 pm

what a bunch of statists on this site.

Graeme on August 3, 2008 at 06:14 pm

It’s always amusing to me when a commie calls free people making free choices “statists”.  Why not go totally Stalin and call us fascists?


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robert108 on August 3, 2008 at 06:22 pm
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what a bunch of statists on this site.

Graeme on August 3, 2008 at 06:14 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of antagonistic isolationists. That is why they hate Obama. He gives hope to the people of the world, not just to American citizens.

The interest of our antagonistic isolationists here on this fringe Right-Wing Authoritarian blog is that it’s best to (s)elect a man the world hates and fears.

And why not? With a man like McCain at the helm terrorist organizations can use everything the Neo-Cons, GOP and the Republiklan party stands for as a recruitment tool against the US, thus creating more America hating terrorists. The more terrorists in the world there are the more terrorists good red-blooded American boys get a chance to kill. We can have one big “War on Terror” that lasts forever spreading from continent to continent letting our boys slaughter all our former allies like the commie terrorist traitor pig-dogs they are (or will be). It’ll be a win-win situation! It’ll be a blast!

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localhost_80 on August 4, 2008 at 12:24 am
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And here I thought that calling people who were talking about a ship called “New York” “statists” was a joke—and a pretty good pun.

The naval purist in me, though, would prefer it was called “New York City” or, since that type of ship has usually been named after counties, “New York County.” State names have been associated with battleships, then ballistic missile submarines, and recently attack subs.

I miss the old days, when the name of a ship would tell you what type of ship it was…

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Jay Tea on August 4, 2008 at 03:06 am

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Obama is a bubble boy. His handlers are like over protective mothers who will not allow the bubble boy exposed to the real world. The reporters who travel with Obama – and who drive most of what makes the evening news about him – can’t help him because they are never allowed out of his bubble either. When will Obama actually have an open debate with McCain? Or is that also too dangerous for “Bubble Boy Barry”? Perhaps they fear he will catch a middle class germ from the people he pretends to care about.

Barack Obama believes that social disparities are mostly rooted in an inherently flawed economic dynamic. Obama believes the working class and lower class are lumped together as a single demographic. More often than not, that kind of treatment only serves to alienate people from the political process. Why do you suppose so many hard working middle class citizens hate Obama? It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with Obama’s hate of what works in America. Members of the working class see their entry into the Middle Class a job or an opportunity away. Members of the lower class see themselves entitled to the spoils of Middle Class success by way of income redistribution. Barrack Obama shares the views of the lower classes.

Not surprisingly, Barrack Obama also sees himself as privileged. There is a direct correlation between the lower classes and the upper classes. Members of those classes see themselves as ‘entitled’- the upper class by way of pedigree or station in life and the lower classes by reason of entitlement. These groups validate themselves by virtue of identity only. Obama reminds voters of his identity as a black candidate, in either direct or indirect terms at every opportunity, as if he wants to remind voters his ’special’ class and therefore entitlement. He does not have a single good idea or plan- his identity is central to his campaign. Barrack Obama represents the kind of thinking that is uncomfortable with providing everyone real equal opportunity.

Barrack Hussein Obama is also a racist demagogue. Don’t forget, Obama belonged for 20 years to a church that explicitly rejected “middle class ness” in favor of racial solidarity.  He is dangerously empty of everything except conventional leftist ideology.

There is no room for HOPE for America or the world in the B. H. Obama bubble.

Mickey on August 4, 2008 at 04:39 am
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Obama is a bubble boy. His handlers are like over protective mothers who will not allow the bubble boy exposed to the real world.

Mickey: When you say Obama’s handlers are “mothers” : Do you consider that half a word?



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Proof on August 4, 2008 at 05:11 am
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thegadsden on August 4, 2008 at 06:10 am
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Will it sink if hit by a plane?

George on August 4, 2008 at 06:26 am
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Let’s load it up with some nukes and bomb anything associated with Islam, the religion of hate & terror!  Nuke the middle east, NOW!!!

Al on August 4, 2008 at 06:34 am
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That was neat how he said RepubliKlan.  You see...he thinks we’re all Klan members.  That’s Ku Klux Klan.  Wow...how clever!  Gee, only someone of such great intelligence could have thought of that.  Klan...well I’ll be.  I just can’t get over how clever that is.  You see, he took a horrible murderous group and co-mingled their name with the the party who freed the slaves.  That is terribly clever.  Just can’t get over it.  I wish I was that clever.  Let me try… Demo-klan.  Nope, I’m just not that clever.

Tom on August 4, 2008 at 06:36 am

The Klan was really a Dem terrorist group formed to drive both black and white Republicans out of the South.
Another fact-challenged leftie.


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robert108 on August 4, 2008 at 06:40 am

Good point Rober108, actually Robert KKK Byrd is a perfect example of this…


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Poor bobby One-Note! Has one example of something Robert KKK Byrd did in his long, long, long racist career and it’s the only link he can post, ad nauseum, in Byrd’s defense!
Tell us one more time, boob, how Byrd endorsing another Democrat, once, absolves him of his long KKK involvement?



Barack Obama: All hat and no cattle since 1997!


Proof on August 4, 2008 at 07:01 am

Proof: It seems to me that, if the race hustlers can keep using the long-past slavery issue in the present, the Dem/KKK connection should be relevant, no?


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robert108 on August 4, 2008 at 07:09 am

the Dem/KKK connection should be relevant, no?

Especially when the dixiecrats found safe harbor in the gop.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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if the race hustlers can keep using the long-past slavery issue in the present, the Dem/KKK connection should be relevant, no?

Obama has failed miserably at being the “post-racial” candidate.

Personally, I believe the “race” should be less about Obama’s race and more about Obama’s incompetence, inexperience and lack of judgment. Oh, and did I mention...he’s black? /sarcasm



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But, back on the topic, I hope they saved a little of that steel for some torpedo and missile casings. That way we can deliver it up close and personal to those that need reminding most!



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Proof on August 4, 2008 at 07:17 am

Especially when the dixiecrats found safe harbor in the gop.

Another lie from you, rbb!  In the first place, the Dixiecrats who wouldn’t give up their racist ways found “safe harbor” in the Dem Party, where they stayed.  Only those who rejected their racist past were accepted into the Republican Party.  The KKK was a Dem terrorist group, formed to drive Republicans out of the South.
Another inconvenient truth for you lefties.


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Especially when the dixiecrats found safe harbor in the gop

So, Senators Robert (KKK) Byrd and Al (I Voted Against the Civil Rights Act) Gore Sr. were in the gop wing of the Democrat Party?
So, when do we get to the “reality based” part, boob?



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Show us that link again, boob, where Byrd endorsed Obama! Or maybe some goofy picture in lieu of argument?



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dennis on August 4, 2008 at 08:43 am
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what a bunch of statists on this site.

Says the guy who wants nationalized health care.


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on August 4, 2008 at 09:41 am
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The picture is actually the USS San Antonio hull num ber LPD-17 (you can see it on the side).  The USS New York is LPD-21.

Brian on August 4, 2008 at 09:50 am
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Obama gives hope?  What hope/ The flip flop policies?  The our right lying?  What/ The promise of change?

Hitler promised change too.  We see how that worked out.

Here is the problem, no politician from either party is going to be able to make a difference.  Neither of them.  The way the current government works is a reflection of the people.  The people want cradle to grave care from every aspect of their lives from the bedroom to the telephone to telling a private business that it can or cannot allow a smoking section. 

No, your congress is the blame here.  But not really even them.  It is you America.  You have decided that outrageous taxes are okay.  You have decided that it is okay for federal agents to take a laptop from you even without suspicion of wrong doing without having to return it.  You America have decided it is okay for congress to ignore the laws of the US and not deal with illegals flowing over the borders without even so much as a bye your leave.  You America have sat on your fat lazy collective a$$es with your less than 40% voter turn out rate and said… We don’t care.  Do what ever you want we just don’t care.

Obama gonna change that?  Not on your life.  He can’t and couldn’t even if he were serious.

Ankharan on August 4, 2008 at 09:58 am
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I have two questions regarding 9/11: 1-Why haven’t we nuked someone in retaliation for this act of war, and 2- Why hasn’t 9/11 been declared a national holiday? What are we waiting for, the camel jockeys to sail up the Potomac River?

Tony Williams on August 4, 2008 at 09:59 am

Especially when the dixiecrats found safe harbor in the gop.

This childish lie is based on ONE man, Strom Thurmond. All the rest of the Dixiecrats folded back into the Democratic partyAs even wikipedia notes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

All the prominent Dixiecrats remained Democrats after the dissolving of the party. Even as the term became more widely used, it was used to describe those who voted for specific Democrats George Wallace and Harry Byrd, both prominent in the Democrat party. If you look at that list, you also see that Al Gore’s father was a Dixiecrat, and is still revered by the party.

The Dixiecrats are an unpleasant chapter of the Democrat party that they try to either whitewash or pass off on Republicans.


For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Kenny on August 4, 2008 at 10:20 am
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God Bless America!  God Bless our Troops!  Go kick some ASS with this one!  It has meaning.  PS:  I hate liberals.

Liz on August 4, 2008 at 10:41 am
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The bottom line is that liberals, in any institution, simple can not come to terms with the fact that regular hard working Americans (less intelligent in their eyes) are responsible for their safety and freedom to judge. If a father kills a home invader to protect his family, it’s like one of his children telling him that he was wrong and next time mom should be in charge and try and negotiate.

Robert Stone on August 4, 2008 at 11:12 am
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Thoreau, Douglass, Cicero..... Savage?, Jones?

“What is the price-current of an honest man and patriot to-day? They hesitate, and they regret, and sometimes they petition; but they do nothing in earnest and with effect. They will wait, well disposed, for others to remedy the evil, that they may no longer have it to regret. At most, they give only a cheap vote, and a feeble countenance and God-speed, to the right, as it goes by them. There are nine hundred and ninety-nine patrons of virtue to one virtuous man; but it is easier to deal with the real possessor of a thing than with the temporary guardian of it.”

Thoreau - Civil Disobedience

“No, I make no pretension to patriotism. So long as my voice can be heard on this or the other side of the Atlantic, I will hold up America to the lightning scorn of moral indignation. In doing this, I shall feel myself discharging the duty of a true patriot; for he is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins.”

Douglass – If I Had a Country, I Should be a Patriot

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.”

Marcus Tullius Cicero - Speech in the Roman Senate

Who did Michael Savage meet with??

Check this link for the audio: http://www.talkradionetwork.com/savagearchive

August 1, 2008 about 20mins into the show.

He won’t mention who he had dinner w/ on Thursday, said that person (young man) loves America and is on the front lines of the internet news business…. person has almost as much influence as Hearst. 

Could it be Alex Jones (infowars.com)?  No doubt both men are patriotic.  No doubt both men share opposing and controversial view-points.  Cut to the meat of what both men are saying…. you will find that it is strikingly similar.

Liberal or Conservative, don’t be fooled into labeling yourself.  Be independent!!!  Think for yourself.  Don’t be afraid to disagree with the popular view point, on either or both sides of the issues.  Don’t be afraid to find common ground with those you disagree with.  Stand up and be heard.  It is time to take the power back from those who don’t really represent us and find common bonds with independent INDIVIDIALS.

The 1st Amendment was meant to protect controversial and offensive speech.  Take action and exercise your personal sovereignty and liberty!!!

Learn to recognize feudalism when it is repackaged for the 21st century.

In closing:

“You must first understand the system before you can hope to change it and only then can you articulate what it is you want to change.” – Alan Watt (paraphrase)

“Old men told me don’t be bind to deception, only strive for perfection, your mind is a weapon!” – Wu-tang Clan.

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Knowlege is Power on August 4, 2008 at 11:16 am
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agree

Robert Stone on August 4, 2008 at 11:17 am
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This is not the USS New York.  It is LPD 17, USS San Antonio.  Look at the bow number on the ship.  The 21 is not complete yet.

js on August 4, 2008 at 11:29 am
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Actually, the ship in the picture is LPD 17, USS San Antonio.  Look at the bow number.  LPD 21, the New York has not been completed yet......

js on August 4, 2008 at 11:33 am
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This has got to be hoax. Every one knows that fire could never have melted the WTC steel down into a ship!!!

Kenna on August 4, 2008 at 11:39 am

USS New York

He’s right. I posted the wrong picture. THIS is the New York, and yes, she IS afloat. Click on the link. Still damn fine., Oh, and this link, too:

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Pilgrim on August 4, 2008 at 11:49 am
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this beautiful vessel needs to immediately be moved to the international waters in that 3rd world cesspool we are currently kicking fanny in..one of this little jerks get out of control kind of like the dweeb in Iran, ya send a few love letters to them from the deck....this would be almost as significant as though we moved the Statue Of Liberty to their flea infested nations.....

boozy on August 4, 2008 at 12:53 pm
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"And why not? With a man like McCain at the helm terrorist organizations can use everything the Neo-Cons, GOP and the Republiklan party stands for as a recruitment tool against the US, thus creating more America hating terrorists. The more terrorists in the world there are the more terrorists good red-blooded American boys get a chance to kill. We can have one big “War on Terror” that lasts forever spreading from continent to continent letting our boys slaughter all our former allies like the commie terrorist traitor pig-dogs they are (or will be). It’ll be a win-win situation! It’ll be a blast! “

So you’re saying we should just lie down and give up our principles then? I mean why not all become Muslim terrorists? That way they won’t have anybody to fight and the world will be at peace.

Go sh** in someone else’s toilet, ya big dope.

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I updated the post with the correct image of the USS New York.


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Rob on August 4, 2008 at 01:15 pm
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Ankharan has it right.  The American people are to blame for the mess(es) we are in.  Incumbents enjoy about a 90% re-election rate and I agree 40% voter turnout (on a good year) is pathetic, particularly now that it’s ridiculously easy to vote.  I say throw the incumbent scoundrels out, get some new blood in Congress and it could make a difference. Until a voter revolution occurs (i.e. massive defeat of incumbent candidates of both parties), illegal immigration, higher taxes, high gas prices, manf. job outsourcing, Medicaid/care fraud, education failures, and the so-called mortgage crisis (& subsequent taxpayer bailout) and many other of our current ills will continue.  Exercise your freedom to vote and/or run for office or it will ultimately be taken from you, and govt. bureaucrats will then control every aspect of your life.

ChuckT on August 4, 2008 at 01:36 pm
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I hope the spirits of the 3,000 killed by the terrorists strengthen all the sailors and Marines on the USS New York. Islamic Terrorism MUST be killed all over the world. I am truely scared if b HUSSEIN b gets elected our military will be as weak as B Clinton did to allow 9/11 to happen. AND the fact that b HUSSEIN o gets illegal contributions from terrorist HAMAS. He is as scary as HITLER

Jackie on August 4, 2008 at 03:55 pm
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Um, yeah. The steel from the Twin Towers was sold to China, melted down and then RESOLD back to the U.S. Remember that before ya start waving your tiny Chinese made American flags.

Tim Bukowski on August 4, 2008 at 07:12 pm

Graeme:
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what a bunch of statists on this site.

That’s the best epithet you could have chosen. ‘Statist’ as opposed to ‘nationalist’, pace the commies… like you. Damn right I’m a ‘statist’. What, and you are a ‘nationalist’? Loser.
Also, ‘statist’ seems to imply some respect for the international state system, something that very few people on this blog have, much to the regret of any normal, not retarded, conservative. You are just throwing turds like a monkey.
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Sparkie Arbuckle on August 4, 2008 at 07:24 pm

IN RESPONSE TO “localhost_80 on August 4, 2008 at 12:24 am”

I was thinking more along the lines of antagonistic isolationists. That is why they hate Obama. He gives hope to the people of the world, not just to American citizens.

Hope for what? Completing the conversion of America into yet another busted marxist dystopia?

The man, who believes that inflating your tires is the equivalent of drilling for oil/fuel in your tank, offers me (or any other human being with a functional brain) no hope at all.

Obama needs to put a hose in his mouth, so I can fill my tires with the hot air it ceaselessly sputters forth, no doubt kept, compressed, in his empty brain cavity.

He’s a joke (as are his voters). A glaring display of empty, wishy washy, idealism founded upon marxist propaganda.

His recent comments are one of an endless multitude of illustrations of how the leftist position requires an utter beak from reality. Since when, when one suffers from a shortage of something, is getting more of it NOT a short and/or long term solution?

The leftist platform is effectively the equivalent of telling hungry people living in a hen house “we can’t eat our way out of this problem.”

Take for example also the war in Iraq. According to the left, for the first time in history, kicking your opponents ars and utterly dominating him… is NOT a win.

We went into Afghanistan and, despite the sniveling of the left that it could never be done because Russia failed to overcome Al Quada, promptly wiped our ass with the myth of the mighty islamic warrior. The taliban was quickly sent scurrying for the hills and reduced to hiding in caves. We went to Iraq and utterly dominated their military, despite the constant assurances from the left of the invincibility of Saddam’s “elite” Iraqi republican guard, removed its dictator, changed its form of government, and did so with a casualty rate so low it’s likely unrivaled, in all of military history, for such a large operation.

The terrorists can’t face our boys, on their own turf, and live, much less ever hope to repel us by force (and yet “we lost” to them).

So it is with leftist psychosis.

In reality, the only way the terrorists can ever go back to the good ole days of sitting around the camp fire and openly plotting the destruction of America, without fear that death from a JDAM is 2 seconds away, is if we CHOOSE to leave.

And the terrorists know this. Which is why their strategy is to break our will to remain. They’re focusing almost exclusively on low casualty, high publicity attacks, which can never achieve military victory (as they know they cannot succeed in such). They must make us leave of our own accord.

Personally, I rather prefer the front line for the war with terrorists to be in Iraq, and not sky scrapers in new York city. That’s the genius of it all. Those who don’t see the strategic reasoning are blind. (Secondly, we’re in Iraq and Afghanistan… who’s in the middle?)

Conservative Hero on August 4, 2008 at 09:44 pm

What will really piss off the leftards is when this ship is the first responder to a major natural disaster and is the savior of thousands of people, many, many Muslims. Their heads’ll be ‘sploding all over the place!!


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2Hotel9 on August 5, 2008 at 04:34 am

Amphib Assault ships are just jam packed with capacity to process potable water, treat injured and ill, and transport to remote locations thousands of tons of food and material. Not to mention stomping the shit out of enemy forces with great dispatch! (sorry, that got chopped up a bit)


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2Hotel9 on August 5, 2008 at 04:42 am

Um, yeah. The steel from the Twin Towers was sold to China, melted down and then RESOLD back to the U.S. Remember that before ya start waving your tiny Chinese made American flags.
Tim Bukowski on August 4, 2008 at 09:12 pm

And another lying leftard toddles through.


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2Hotel9 on August 5, 2008 at 04:44 am
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Thank you. To all that are going in harms way to portect us from the enemies that are trying to take way what God has given us. Fare winds and following seas. God bless the man and woman that are laying their lives on the line every day. Go USS NEW YORK @ YANKEESsmile

Pastor Carmen A. Cantalupo ENC (SW) Ret on August 5, 2008 at 02:20 pm
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Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.

In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’” according to one of Hersh’s sources.

During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:

HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.

Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

Watch it:

Hersh argued that one of the things the Bush administration learned during the encounter in the Strait of Hormuz was that, “if you get the right incident, the American public will support” it.

“Look, is it high school? Yeah,” Hersh said. “Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.”

Transcript:

HERSH: There was a meeting. Among the items considered and rejected — which is why the New Yorker did not publish it, on grounds that it wasn’t accepted — one of the items was why not…

There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.

And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.

So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected — uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they’re mice training to be rats.

But the point is jejune, if you know what that means. Silly? Maybe. But potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the incident was the American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we’re into it.

…What happened in the Gulf was, in the Straits, in early January, the President was just about to go to the Middle East for a visit. So that was one reason they wanted to gin it up. Get it going.

Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.

HEY I WONDER IF CHENEY WILL HAVE SEAL’S SHOOT AT THE USS NEW YORK so they can start another war?

Jones on August 6, 2008 at 01:41 pm
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God, I’m sick of the left, right, liberal, republican BS. We’re in the thick of a tremendous push for power consolidation leading to global government, and all you idiots do is bicker like children over idiocies. WAKE UP.

Bush wanted to give 2/3 of the earth’s surface to UN jurisdiction (LOST sea treaty). Sound like a good Republican?

Obama is owned by Zbigniew Brzezinski and is as hawkish as Bush… He might initiate a draft. Sound like a good Democrat?

WAKE UP. Criminals are in charge and both party agendas are pushing for global governance…

Using this steal without a real investigation is criminal.

Sickened on August 6, 2008 at 01:51 pm

Seymour Hersh is a fabulist.

He has no credibility whatsoever.

Ken McCracken on August 6, 2008 at 01:58 pm
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/cheney-neocons-considered-killing-americans-in-pretext-to-attack-iran.html

In the video here, taped at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, the Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh reveals how the neocons convened around Dick Cheney and brainstormed ways to kick off World War IV, as they fondly call their pet project to take out the Muslims and foment a contrived “clash of civilizations.”

According to Hersh, this meeting occurred after the neocons failed miserably to stage a rehashed version of the Gulf of Tonkin incident in the Strait of Hormuz, mostly because it is no longer 1964 and such Big Lies — thanks to the internet and bloggers — are far more difficult to float. “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there,” quipped LBJ about the imaginary act of North Vietnamese boats supposedly attacking U.S. ships, leading to the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution and undeclared war in Southeast Asia, ultimately resulting in the death of nearly 60,000 Americans and around 3 million Southeast Asians.

In an exclusive Think Progress story, we learn the meeting took place in Cheney’s office and the subject on the table was “how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,” part of an ongoing effort to provide an excuse to attack Iran. “There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war,” Hersh explains. “The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.”

Hersh would have us believe this scenario did not play out because “you can’t have Americans killing Americans,” an absurd explanation considering the fact the attacks of September 11 were just that — “Americans killing Americans,” a calculated and cold-blooded act of mass murder carried out by elements in the U.S. government as a “new Pearl Harbor,” a cynical pretext to launch the “war on terror,” now grinding into its seventh year.

Ominously, these “ideas” hark back to Operation Northwoods, the JSC plan to stage a false flag terror event — or a number of events — designed to provide a pretext to invade Cuba and take out Fidel Castro. Such “ideas” included “friendly Cubans” attacking the U.S. base at Guantanamo, shooting down a drone disguised as a chartered civil airliner and blaming it on Cuba, inciting riots and staging terror attacks in Miami, and other terrorist acts. Fortunately, then Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, put a kibosh to this insane plan.

More recently, in January, 2003, in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion George Bush and Tony Blair discussed painting planes in United Nations colors “in order to provoke an attack which could then be used to justify material breach” and thus set in motion an invasion, according to Philippe Sands, a leading British human rights lawyer (see Revealed: Bush and Blair discussed using American Spyplane in UN colors to lure Saddam into war, Channel Four News).

In fact, the neocons have not rested in their effort to foment war and force the support of the American people by way of deception. On May 16, 2008, Paul Joseph Watson, writing for Prison Planet, noted confidential recordings released under the Freedom of Information Act revealing the efforts of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and top military analysts to cook up another terrorist attack on America in order to gain support for their ambitious plans to decimate Muslim culture. “The most extraordinary exchange takes place when Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans shrinking political support for Neo-Con war plans on Capitol Hill and suggests that sympathy for the Bush administration’s agenda will only be achieved after a new terror attack,” writes Watson. “Rumsfeld agrees that the psychological impact of 9/11 is wearing off and the ‘behavior pattern’ of citizens in both the U.S. and Europe suggests that they are unconcerned about the threat of terror.” Rumsfeld characterizes Bush as “a victim of success” because America has not suffered “an attack in five years” and for Rumsfeld and the neocons this state of affairs is indeed lamentable.

Obviously, the neocons will stop at nothing — including the murder of more Americans in a false flag terror attack — to realize their agenda.

Jones on August 6, 2008 at 02:01 pm
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911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB and they are going to use the USS NEW YORK to kill more Americans.  Sending poor Sailors to their death over in the Gulf. So they can start another war and kill more Americans.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.... NO ONE ESCAPES these NAZIS even you goons who work for them.

Jones on August 6, 2008 at 02:08 pm
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Oh and by the way. They have tried to sink ships to start wars before. Google USS Liberty. Remember the Maine?

Also people the USS Vincines shoots down an Iranian comercial airliner.  What the hell was that?

You people need to Google: TERRORSTORM watch and learn how governments through out history have used FALSE FLAGS to start wars. As a matter of fact almost every war ever fought was started with a 911 type event.

When are you lazy people who never research but just sluvingly trust this criminal government

Jones on August 6, 2008 at 04:18 pm
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Wow I’m so ashamed of all of you people that believe this ship, this symbol of murder is such a great thing.  Right after 9/11 Bush had all the metal (the evidence) shipped out of the country. That is illegal to tamper or throw away evidence at a crime scene (ESPECIALLY before the investigators are able to examine that evidence). Bin Laden (a CIA asset from 79-89 under the alias of “Tim Osman") hasn’t even been connected with 9/11. On the FBI’s most wanted list he’s wanted for the bombings of two U.S. embassies in DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. You can check that out at http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm and see for yourself the blatant truth. The FBI still haven’t connected Bin Laden with 9/11. Yet, the only reason we were over there in the first place is because “Bin Laden and 19 saudi high jackers high jacked 4 planes and crashed them into the pentagon and the world trade centers.” For all you army people out there wake up your government, your commanders don’t give a shit about you. You all are going to go over there and DIE!!!!!!!! If not from a bullet then from DU poisoning and then you come home (DU gets into your semen) your going to kill your wife/partner. Also, next time you’re asked to take an experimental vaccine (which has cancer in it) ask your superior if he took the vaccine and also ask did the major, the leuitenent, the captain, or the general took their vaccinations. Say if they help you then there’s nothing wrong with them taking it. Or when they say you’ll be court martialled take them to court ask for a motions of discovery to aquire all information you can on compromised vaccines, and all the info on the documentary Beyond Treason (history of government testing on military).

Mr. X on August 6, 2008 at 08:56 pm
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This is sickening.

It’s a floating crime scene...complete with evidence.

I wonder how much thermate is in that ship?

The official 9/11 story is a total lie.

http://www.ae911truth.org
http://www.911truth.org

911TRUTH on August 10, 2008 at 10:15 am
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This is sickening.

It’s a floating crime scene...complete with evidence.

I wonder how much thermate is in that ship?

The official 9/11 story is a total lie.

http://www.ae911truth.org
http://www.911truth.org

911TRUTH on August 10, 2008 at 10:17 am
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According to FEMA 350,00 tons of steel were shipped from ground zero to recycling yards.......so 24 tons in the construction of a ship is equal to .0000685 of the total steel pulled out of ground zero....( 24 divided by 350,000).......so just over one half of one tenth of one percent of the total steel pulled out from ground
zero went into that ship.  If this much recycled steel used in the construction of a battleship constitutes naming rights for the ship then we should have many more ships named Ford Motor
and Chrysler and Toyota and John Deere or perhaps named for the Federal building in Oklahoma or for old battleships that are decommissioned cut up for scrap sold to the Chinese and turned back into new ships after we buy the steel back from them.  Maybe a fleet of Chinese container ships made from the rest of the scrap from the twin towers (and all the rest of our scrap we ship to them) will have names of cities the Chinese expect to own when they take over our country while we are chasing ghosts in Afganistan. 
And for the life of me I do not get the connection between a battleship to protect our country and the actual threats we have seen presented by guys already here either using farm fertilizers in Oklahoma or box cutters to take over planes flying out
of Boston (if this really happened).  What exactly is the battleship going to do? Stop the Chinese container ships delivering all the crap we are buying..... like box
cutters labeled ‘Made in China’?

Mark on August 21, 2008 at 09:26 am
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