You think that we should have kept that THAAD missile defense base in Poland?

Now they get to sweat and worry about it

When did you stop being an American? Shouldn’t that be “we” chemotherapy?

Okey dokey Dino! One since your reply’s all seem to involve hoping our families suffer, America destructs or Americans suffer and you just put something simple like etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. You could type and pretend to be Yul Brenner from the King and I! It could be fun for you!

Suitcase nukes are fantacy.

Footlocker sized nukes are a very real threat. While “low yield”, around 1 kiloton, they are nothing to sneeze at. The US has built a nuke that will fit in a 155mm sized shell. It was the W48 but its yield was low around 72 tons.

The largest shell the W9 was 4.5 ft long and weighed around 800 lbs. It had a respectable yield of 15 kilotons. It was developed in 1952 and retired in 1957. Neither shell exists today.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nuke/index.html

Forgot the link.

http://www.army-technology.com/glossary/weapons-of-mass-destruction.html

Definition: Weapons of mass destruction are weapons capable of inflicting massive destruction to property and/or population, using chemical, biological or radioactive material. Weapons of Mass Destruction are also known by the abbreviation WMD.

Its SO shocking that a poll that asks questions like “Were there WMD found in Iraq” and doesn’t define WMD and the numbers required to satisfy the answer gets misused. Guess what if you find one artillery shell with sarin gas the answer is yes. We found over 500. You can pretend its answer no all you like to make Fox New look bad but there it is.

Its even more shocking that after being told since 1998 that we had ties with Al Queda, having it pushed in the media that the second the ties became inconvenient they became “inadvertent.” So again, it is supposed to make Fox views stupid that they listened for all of those years and suddenly don’t buy off on the change of view by you Democrats. Remember boy’s, we aren’t at war with “Eurasia, were at war with Eastasia! We’ve alway’s been at war with Eastasia!”

Bob, you’ve found a poll that asked three hard to quantify questions and are using it to bash on Fox. What else is new?

The bombs can’t reach us.

Now, the bombs can’t reach us now. ICBMs are 1950′s technology, 1957 technology to be exact. They aren’t that hard to make and Iran has a basic variant right now. Its just a matter of time until they get one that can reach the US. Sticking our heads in the sand isn’t going to make the threat go away.

The interesting thing is, when shown the error in their perceptions, conservatives dig their heels in deeper rather than consider the possibility of being wrong.

You mean like how you love everything Gore Vidal say’s until he said that Obama was a nightmare? I’m shocked that you would hypocritically accuse us of what you have already done. Shocked I tells ya!

Bob, I can see with my own eye’s and think with my own brain, I don’t need some study from the University of Maryland.

48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found,

Here’s the fly in your ointment Bob. From 1998 until he left office. The Clinton Administration spent all of its time trying to tell us that Iraq had ties with Al Queda through the Sifia Pharmacutical Plant in Sudan. He’s ABC reporting the story.

Before the pharmaceutical plant was reduced to rubble by American cruise missiles, the CIA was secretly gathering evidence that ended up putting the facility on America’s target list. Intelligence sources say their agents clandestinely gathered soil samples outside the plant and found, quote, “strong evidence” of a chemical compound called EMPTA, a compound that has only one known purpose, to make VX nerve gas.

The U.S. had been suspicious for months, partly because of Osama bin Laden’s financial ties, but also because of strong connections to Iraq. Sources say the U.S. had intercepted phone calls from the plant to a man in Iraq who runs that country’s chemical weapons program.

September found 48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found, 22% that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and 25% that world public opinion favored the US going to war with Iraq. Overall 60% had at least one of these three misperceptions…

Several Clinton administration national security officials told THE WEEKLY STANDARD last week that they stand by the intelligence. “The bottom line for me is that the targeting was justified and appropriate,” said Daniel Benjamin, director of counterterrorism on Clinton’s National Security Council, in an emailed response to questions. “I would be surprised if any president–with the evidence of al Qaeda’s intentions evident in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam and the intelligence on [chemical weapons] that was at hand from Sudan–would have made a different decision about bombing the plant.”

The current president certainly agrees. “I think you give the commander in chief the benefit of the doubt,” said George W. Bush, governor of Texas, on August 20, 1998, the same day as the U.S. counterstrikes. “This is a foreign policy matter. I’m confident he’s working on the best intelligence available, and I hope it’s successful.”

So how can it be a “misconception” if its true? Or did Clinton lie about it in 1998? Here’s what the Clinton Administration itself said, “

Benjamin, who has been one of the leading skeptics of claims that Iraq was working with al Qaeda, doesn’t want to connect those dots.

Instead, he describes al Qaeda and Iraq as unwitting collaborators. “The Iraqi connection with al Shifa, given what we know about it, does not yet meet the test as proof of a substantive relationship because it isn’t clear that one side knew the other side’s involvement. That is, it is not clear that the Iraqis knew about bin Laden’s well-concealed investment in the Sudanese Military Industrial Corporation

So after the election of Bush and during the run up to war, the Clinton Administration switched from definite ties to they may have been working together and didn’t know it! I can see how some may have some “misconceptions.”

22% that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq

They did. While they didn’t find a lot they did find more than 500 old shells, old rockets and a few mines with Sarin still in them or traces of Sarin in them. So they did find WMD. Many were inoperable but were still WMB. Is it a “misconception” for or lie to say we found WMD when we did? I would have to see the question to find that out.

and 25% that world public opinion favored the US going to war with Iraq.

Who care?

“Bush`s threat to the axis of evil encouraged N.Korea to rush to the bomb.”

I guess Bush had a time machine. The North Korean nuke programs “rush to the bomb” started in 1965 and has continued since.

Maybe it’s because the rosy scenario Obama painted in his UN speech ignored the nuclear ambitions of Iran and their determination for an improved missile delivery system.
Disarmament in the midst of a war is not a good thing, if your enemies are escalating.

Wow, we have stooped so low that the French president has a stiffer backbone than our own wanna-be dictator.

I wanted to say something like that BT, but was afraid of insulting the French!

“Incredibly naive, grossly egotistical”. And those are his ‘good’ points.

GIA, did you ever read the PIPA study from a few years back?

The frequency of Americans’ misperceptions varies significantly depending on their source of news. The percentage of respondents who had one or more of the three misperceptions listed above is shown below.

The interesting thing is, when shown the error in their perceptions, conservatives dig their heels in deeper rather than consider the possibility of being wrong.

Kinda explains the last 30 years….

Conservatives are genetically inferior.

Suddenly the left isn’t worried about the opinions of those outside our country. Convenient.

When did I say I had a problem with what Vidal said? Obama is a disappointment, as are all Presidents to those at the extremes as are Vidal and I but for very different reasons than you think. We would have liked for him to come into office with guns blazing, demonizing conservatives as fascists and destroyers instead of attempting yet again the bipartisanship fantasy democrats are famous for.

Make no mistake, Vidal disliked Bill CLinton, would have complained about Hillary, but totally DESPISED any conservative leader.

But it is good to see you stems glomming onto the words of a rich homo who so hated America he moved out long ago.

He, like me, delights in watching America self-destruct due to the oppressive ignorance of the conservatives who make so much noise.

Says the homo who insists that it’s “not a choice”.

You don’t have a choice in being stupid R180….you just are.

Same thing with gays. Although I imagine there were a few who chose to engage in gay sex. I know a lot of women who do that.

I don’t hope for your families to suffer the consequences of your beliefs for no reason. I just know they are and will. That’s the only way to wake the people from their fog of ignorance.

And really, why shouldn’t the people who supported the failed conservative ideology be victims of it?

Are you people, who salivate over every shred of bad news since the election- about the economy, unemployment, the wars- to the point of opposing everything out of pettiness, bitterness and sore loserism, who hope for escalation in Afghanistan, who secretly hope for another 9/11, really in any position to criticize me??

Take a look in the mirror and see what you’ve become out of frustration and bitterness coming from your removal from power. You’re acting like Iraqi insurgents. Destructive, anti-social miscreants.

Given that Obama knew about Iran’s new nuclear installation and didn’t use that information in his UN speech, I would tend to agree with Sarkozy. Either that, or he’s so slow on his feet that he can’t include something new in a speech.

Not a good situation.

Maybe America shouldn’t have shown the world what nukes can do?

Maybe we shouldn’t have, but don’t kid yourself, dino; during WWII Germany was racing to build a nuclear weapon as were the Japanese.

Do you think they would have hesitated for one second to use nukes on us?

We built the bomb to end war. Iran is building them to start one.

The bombs can’t reach us. Maybe Israel should stand up for a change?

Maybe Israel should stand up for a change?

They probably would, except for the fact that Liberals now direct our military and you guys have a proven seething thirst for Israelly blood. Eventually Israel will probably prove to be the nation that has the fortitude to eliminate the Iranian “peaceful” nuclear program, nobody else does.

Suitcase nukes are fantacy. It makes for good movie plots.

Weapon grade redioactive material needs to be kept cooled. Plus it has to be shielded, otherwise the radioactive leakage would kill the courrier before they could travel any distance. The shielding alone would be too heavy and bulky to carry in a suitcase.

Bio toxin is the way to go if human stealth is the choice of delivery.

Suitcase nukes are fantacy. It makes for good movie plots.

That’s the extent of PP’s ability to apply logic; only through fantasy.

Israel should and probably will deal with this….and then we will defend them.

Mickey,

Back in the late 1990′s, I attended a talk given by, if my memory serves me correctly, Congressman Curt Weldon. Evidently he had been to the former Soviet Union several dozen times on the issue of loose nukes, and was very concerned with the number of man-portable nuclear devices the Soviets had lost track of. The number that comes to mind was 48.

He also mentioned that in his meetings with Boris Yeltsin, is that he was not comforted by Yeltsin’s habitual and apparent inebriation, and yet further alarmed by Yeltsin’s disconnect with reality even when sober.

So, I can’t say that suitcase nukes are a fantasy, since there seemed to be a sustained discussion between Weldon and the leadership of the former Soviet Union.

Bush didn’t “brand” North Korea as evil. He just called a spade a spade. Clinton’s so-called ‘accord’ was a joke from the get-go.

I thought I had heard all the bogus excuses for why we used nukes against civilians.

“We developed the bomb to end a war” has got to be the most craven.

There’s no excuse for what we did and there’s no way we’re going to stop anyone else from getting them too.

The fear you feel is justified but irrational. But the idea that this declining shithole country is going to rule the world and dictate what others do is ludicrous particularly coming from the group that doesn’t want to pay for anything.

Just another shitty aspect of this cesspool that you’re leaving your kids and grandkids thanks to belligerent conservatism.

The fear of anihilation.

Bush didn’t “brand” North Korea as evil. He just called a spade a spade.

So the axis of Spades??????? Really PP???

Hahaha!

Dino, while there is a real argument to be made for or against the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there is not a whole lot of debate about whether Truman and his advisers thought that they would be facing an invasion of Japan and the cost of millions of lives if they did not shock the Emperor into submission.

In a world of sin, political leaders sometimes need to choose the lesser of two evils. Mature ones weigh their odds and take their best guess. Less mature ones dither and pretend that negotiation can pacify the Schicklgrubers and Achmadinutjobs of the world.

Bubba,

Not sure what you are trying to say, you were more vague than a ari fleischer press meeting.

That said, if they don’t have them, you do all you can to prevent them from getting them. Not because you fear an attack, but because it becomes impossible to stop them from doing other things.

I swear, you guys amaze me.

Hannitized, there is nothing vague about my comments at all. Rather, it’s your reading ability that is vague. Let’s try again:

1. It’s silly to claim that the North Koreans only developed nukes in response to Bush when the Clinton administration made diplomatic deals specifically to stop their nuclear program.

2. It’s also silly to demonize the U.S. for nuking Japanese cities (killing a lot fewer civilians than the firebombing of Tokyo) when those who made the decision believed that not doing so would get millions of Americans and Japanese killed in an invasion.

3. Those who engage in nonsense arguments like yours and Dino’s, like our current President, sadly, have a critical lack of maturity with regards to real life.

Got it?

?????? “It would be more apt if the adult stopped hitting the child, when the child grows up and can hit back.” WTF? NO, because then the child learns there are no consequences to bad behavior, till it`s too late. Uh, Mr. rocket scientist, the whole idea is not to have the child “hit back” in the first place. Sorry, it`s your`s that is not an apt comparison. And again,ignoring the “if calling them evil encourages the rush to the bomb, then conversely, by logic, not saying anything should encourage them not to rush to the bomb. Which of course isn`t happening, proving that your “threats to the axis of evil” causing a rush to the bomb is bullshit. Nice dodge, though. More evidence that liberals are brain dead. See that last line? I can debate with you like a 10 yr old, too.

“We used nukes…Shouldn`t our enemies fear us?” Duh. Of course our enemies should fear us. But do they? I don`t know. We haven`t used one in 64 years, so what do you think?

I Betcha You’re Wondering How I Knew

Nick S on G-Boy:

I remember the American president’s call the day before our departure for Moscow: ‘Don’t go there, they [the Russians] want to go to Tbilisi, they’re 40km away. Don’t go, [just] condemn it’.

“I did go, along with [French Foreign Minister] Bernard Kouchner, and, as if by coincidence, while we were there the ceasefire was declared,” Mr Sarkozy said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7728073.stm

I don’t necessarily agree with Sarkozy’s politics but I appreciate his willingness to speak plainly.