In The Hands Of Monsters

  •  July 13, 2007

Zina Linnick’s parents, like parents everywhere, probably spent time sitting at her bedside when she was little, comforting her, assuring that she could sleep well when the lights go out. There are no such things as monsters.
They were wrong.
Yesterday Zina’s body was found. She found out, in the last minutes of her 12 year old life, that monsters are indeed all too real. And she died at the hands of one. And now comes the all too familiar back story, the guy was a convicted sex offender who had failed to register as such and had dropped off the radar screen, a multi-convicted criminal, an illegal immigrant who somehow didn’t get deported after being convicted of a smorgasbord of crimes, etc., etc.
And the beat goes on.
It seems that nearly every day now we wake up to the news that another girl is missing from somewhere, and we wait for what now seems to be the inevitable outcome. The girl’s body will be found somewhere in a wooded area, dumped like inconvenient litter by some animal who didn’t – couldn’t – recognize that he had just destroyed a human being, disposed of with the same disconnection that he would have when scraping something unpleasant off of his shoe.
It happens over and over again. How many times lately?
For those of you out there who do not believe in the death penalty….I defy you to find one, ONE valid reason why the monster who just killed that twelve year old girl should keep on breathing for one single hour longer. I know all the old, tired arguments against it. Will it bring her back? Nope. But nobody will be able to bring that animal back, either. It’s just revenge, they whine. Yeah. So? That’s exactly what it is. Revenge. Has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it? We should hold ourselves to a higher standard and not commit state sanctioned murder. I don’t think the state can possibly have a higher standard than executing a monster who preys on her children without regard, mercy, or pity.
And, yeah, I know….that’s not the end-all answer. It won’t fix the entire problem. But it certainly will fix small parts of it one at a time.
Maybe parents should stop telling their kids that there aren’t any monsters out there because there surely are. Polly Klaas and Jessica Lunsford and now Zina Linnick and many others all spent the last terrified moments of their lives in the hands of one.
So…tell me again what’s wrong with the death penalty in thse cases?

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    I think the lingering question is whether we can ever really know for sure if it’s the right person being executed. I believe there are certain situations that there is no doubt and execution should be carried through.

  • *

    However, there are an awful lot of organizations that are working very hard to release those on death row, and the fact that they haven’t found cases where this has happened is testimony that, despite its faults, our legal system is pretty darned good.

    I am aware of only a few organizations involved in appealing death penalty cases. You imply there are many.

    I would submit that, perhaps these organizations are dedicating their meager resources towards exhonerating the living.

    There is very little to be gained in exhonerating a corpse.

  • *

    Pilgrim-

    Just an FYI; I concur with your opinion (as well as Eno’s) that death would be too good for this monster. I just thought I’d relay the fact that I made Eno’s exact same points, citing numerous examples, where a trial by jury lead to several false convictions, several months ago on a thread you created, where you and several other participants laid into me.

    Your counter-points on that thread had some validity, there were other posters, such as the foul-mouthed breakdancing kid, who pretty much equated my opinions with the actions of the murderer in question.

    No, you are not a Nazi. You are certainly entitled to your opinions about the death penalty, even if they do change.

    Just remember, this is a very emotional topic. It is very easy for sympathies and concerns to be whipped up by a politician for toxic and dubious ends. Almost all prosecutors and law enforcement officials are incredibly honest people. Most death row cases are open and shut like the ones you bring up.

    The reason I am against the death penalty is not because of most prosecutors, or most open-and-shut cases. The reason why I am against the death penalty is it cannot be applied universally with any degree of certainty.

    If a punishment cannot be applied universally with any degree of certainty, then it is, by default unusual.

    Now if I dig up my handy pocket sized US constitution, the eighth ammendment reads as follows:

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

    End of story. This monster should die. His death, however should be out of the hands of the state.

  • Pilgrim

    Careful with those kinds of facts, ews…..the left and their media sock-puppets don’t like them and tend to try to discredit them any way they can.

    Interesting articles at the end of those links. Thanks.

  • *

    Well, *, let’s use the life sentence as an example. Can you revoke that one once it’s served?

    Touche; almost. A life sentence provides opportunity for the convicted to appeal. A death sentence puts the kibosh on that. Time served for a crime one didn’t commit would be a travesty. There is no word to describe the trajedy incurred when a free republic executes an innocent individual.

    Curious you mention Fitzgerald. Whoever appointed him should certainly resign posthaste, don’t you think?

  • geekmom

    Execute him, and send him back to his home country in a box. Just another poignant reminder that ILLEGAL immigrants are LAWBREAKERS. We don’t need more criminals in this country.

    This story is just heartbreaking! What a tragic end. My prayers go out to her family.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

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    I’m sorry Zina. Your family and you have suffered from such a heinous crime that our country allowed. As a community we will now stand vigil at your family’s side… their souls have been broken. We failed in helping you but, we will be there for the survivors.
    I am ashamed to be part of a society that seems to tolerate abuse. A society that is more worried about the offender and his rights than the victims. I hope that somehow through your death, a resolution will come for us as a nation to be able to stand up and protect our young. In your behalf revenge will be sought. Your voice will be heard. I am sorry we let you down.
    ___

    In 1990, he Terapon Adhahn was charged with violently raping a 16-year-old relative, according to court records. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of first-degree incest in exchange for completing 60 months of sexual-deviancy counseling.
    Why as a level I sex offender,was he not deported. Oh yea, he did a plea bargain to a lesser charge and got to go to counseling. The way I am reading it..since he has not been charged with Zina’s murder,he is being held in INS jail,for not registering as a sex offender.I guess we do not have enough home grown pedophiles,so we have to import them.

  • *

    Heh, I made many of the same points that Eno made several months ago and got a good scolding from people who quickly forgot that we live in a world filled to the gill with opportunist DAs like Nifong.

    Curious that Pilgrim now believes that prosecutorial malfeasance and human error on the part of law enforcement is a rational argument against the death penalty.

    And Robert Perry:

    but keep in mind that going to jail falsely is every bit as irreversible as the death penalty.

    You can let an innocent man out of jail, but unless you’re Christ and the falsely convicted is Lazarus, the falsely executed man stays dead.

    If you think the American justice system is perfect enough to administer the ultimate punishment, you should take a road trip to Tulia. Or ponder the $27 billion already spent this year on the “War on Drugs.”

    A gruesome story, for sure, but the only thing wrong with the death penalty in these types of cases is the basic fundamental fact that the death penalty is wrong.

  • Ivor Frazier

    I’m sorry but the punishment for any person who rapes and kills children requires that they be castrated, their nuts cut off, with rusty cutters, a cut off broomstick shoved up their ass, rotated severly for proper injury. Then they should be locked in a closed up room and allowed to die in the same manner as their victims. An appropriate punishment, don’t ya think?

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Yes, I agree that Alberto Gonzales should resign. Should never have been hired with his views on the 2nd Amendment, really. Not yet decided on his boss yet, though the immigration bill tended to move my opinion a little bit out of his favor.

    To the 8th Amendment, my view is that we ought to view it in light of how the Founders punished crime. That would include floggings and hangings.

    And again, you can’t revoke time served. We should remember this as we try to make sure that more Nifongs don’t persecute people, not eliminate valid punishments. If we honor your rejection of this argument, we simultaneously downgrade the responsibility to send the Nifongs of the world home from their DA offices. Your argument diverts itself from its proper target; justice for all, not just innocents accused of murder.

    Moreover, there is the grisly logic. Although we apparently came close to executing innocents in Illinois, I’m not aware of any clear cases of innocents being executed in this country in the modern era. Contrast that with the fact that statistics suggest that the execution of 60 men each year reduces the number of murders by 1000 each year.

    That’s huge. If the worst allegations were true, you might save 3-5 innocents each year by ending the death penalty. In trade, you’d allow 55 to live that should have died, 1000 innocents would be killed, and efforts to solve problems in the justice system would be dealt a severe blow.

    Sorry, but that’s not a pretty cost/benefit analysis.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Well, *, let’s use the life sentence as an example. Can you revoke that one once it’s served?

    Of course not. If Mike Nifong (or Pat Fitzgerald) is corrupt, it proves that we need better supervision of prosecutors, not that we need to let murderers go free.

    For the record, that’s part of why we have judges, juries, defense lawyers, and appeals. It worked pretty well, albeit slowly, in the case of Mike Nifong, don’t you think?

  • Pilgrim

    Curious that Pilgrim now believes that prosecutorial malfeasance and human error on the part of law enforcement is a rational argument against the death penalty.

    Interesting that you would put it that way. I’ve never NOT believed that human error is the one single argument against the death penalty that makes sense.

    I’d say you jumped to quite a conclusion there, assuming that because I argue in favor of the death penalty for animals like this that I’m some sort of jack-booted Nazi.

    Your point about opportunists like Nifong is valid.

  • *

    And again, you can’t revoke time served.

    I agree 100%, although I’d rather spend 5 years incarcerated for a crime that I didn’t commit, than be executed for a murder I didn’t commit. The two really aren’t comparable. Since the probability of you or I being executed for a crime we didn’t commit is very low, and yet not absolute zero, this should give anyone living in a civilized republic pause when considering what is a just punishment and what isn’t.

    We should remember this as we try to make sure that more Nifongs don’t persecute people, not eliminate valid punishments.

    Also in complete agreement. In my state (which happens to be the same state as Nifong) many judges aren’t appointed. They are elected. Think about that for a second. Think about the motivations a man like Nifong had to indict innocent people in the months leading up to an election.

    How is due process served in any avenue of justice or litigation, when the DA or a judge has to balance public opinion with justice. We’re talking about human beings who are worried about job security here.

    Although we apparently came close to executing innocents in Illinois, I’m not aware of any clear cases of innocents being executed in this country in the modern era.

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. While I’m not certain that innocent men or women have been executed in the modern era, given the hundreds of exonerated individuals that have spent time on death row, a strong case can be made that someone has probably died at the hands of the state due to reckless and negligent prosecution. Let’s call this hunch ‘Texas.’

    Contrast that with the fact that statistics suggest that the execution of 60 men each year reduces the number of murders by 1000 each year.

    Cite please. This can easily be refuted by looking at the violent crime rate for any modern industrial society that doesn’t utilize the death penalty and comparing it to ours. Eno made the point that the death penalty is not a deterrent. Many, if not most, murderers do not make rational decisions based on cause and effect.

    Sorry, but that’s not a pretty cost/benefit analysis.

    Again, I agree, wholeheartedly.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Eno, those are great arguments for keeping a good check on the judicial system, but keep in mind that going to jail falsely is every bit as irreversible as the death penalty. Can you give the man a year back any more than you can give him his life back?

    Your comments are justification for extreme scrutiny of the judicial system and aggressive prosecution of perjury, not ending a justifiable penalty.

    And this guy? Well, it’s times like this that (see Ivor’s post, I could have written it) that test my commitment to the 8th Amendment. There is blood on the hands of the ICE for failing to get this guy out of here 17 years ago.

  • Bat One

    *,

    It’s a common argument against the death penalty that it is not applied equally, and therefore should not be imposed at all. However, that argument is flawed.

    The fact that a child rapist/murderer in New Hampshire is not given the death penalty is no reason that someone who commits that same crime in Alabama should be spared. Nor is the argument any more valid when comparing two individuals who commit the same crime in two separate counties or cities within the same state. The fact that one individual receives a lesser sentence does not necessarily mean that any others automatically deserve a similarly diminished sentence. Obviously, that’s nonsense.

    The killer of little Zinna, like the murderers of Polly Klaas and Jessica Lundsford deserve to die for their crimes. And on that basis alone, never mind the recidivism rate among pedophiles and child murderers.

  • DBdowner

    *,

    I have done a lot of stupid things in my life. Free climbed 150 feet and many other things where I could have easily died. I chose to put my life on the line in a way that would have resulted in a painful death for the sake of fun. Lethal injection is how I would ask to die if wrongly convicted. And honestly, dying for justice actually has meaning as opposed to dying because I wanted to climb a cliff at the top of a mountain. In real life, mistakes happen and people die. It doesn’t mean we quit driving our cars, stop using electrical equipment, abolish all lighters and matches, etc.

    Lucky for me, I am not put in charge of the justice system in the United States. If I was the person injecting or flipping the switch, I would want to review the verdict and facts of the case. If I felt the case was fair and reasonable, I would do my job with pride. However, if I lived in a society with no government and someone killed one of my family members, I would remove their head… So yeah, I don’t have a problem with inflicting justice if there is no one around to do the job.

    Justice can be summed up in the expression for every action there is an opposite or equal reaction. The weight or value of an action can be debated but murder is clear cut, a life is worth a life. Justice is not making people safe by rehabilitating a murderer. Such a fake form of mercy is really just a social agenda.

  • Pilgrim

    Eno,

    Well reasoned and the ONLY rational argument against the death penalty, especially in cases like this.

    That being said, however, I still have a hard time excusing sub human creatures like this from the death penalty because of potential mistakes in other cases.

  • Bat One

    I’m not making that argument. You misunderstood my point about the death penalty being universally applied. I said universally applied with certainty

    *,

    Let me be sure I understand. Are you stating the the death penalty should never be applied because it can never be applied with absolute certainty? That’s hardly true.

    There is not a shred of doubt that Richard Allen Davis tortured and killed Polly Klass, nor that John Couey tortured Jessica Lundsford and then buried her alive. There is no argument about the guilt of John Wayne Gacy, David Westerfield, or Willie Crain. Nor is there any doubt that each of these vicious animals deserve(d) to forfeit his own life for the crime he committed. No doubt at all.

  • *

    The fact that a child rapist/murderer in New Hampshire is not given the death penalty is no reason that someone who commits that same crime in Alabama should be spared… Obviously, that’s nonsense.

    I’m not making that argument. You misunderstood my point about the death penalty being universally applied. I said universally applied with certainty

    The only argument I have at my disposal against the death penalty is bulletproof:

    Like it or not, as excellent as the criminal justice system is, there are situations where the arbiters of justice (the prosecution, judge, and officials of law enforcement) are either: lazy, corrupt, and/or up for election.

    If the arbiters of justice are imperfect, than there is no justifiable rationale for administering the perfect punishment (in this case, death penalty.) It is irrevokable and final.

    Maybe in your world, DA’s, judges, and law-enforcement are infallible gods.

    In my world, some of these career professionals are human, the rest, politicians. Do we really want to live in a society where politicians can decide who is executed?

    I believe the unimpeachable answer is: no.

  • docdave

    here’s a man on death row, set to die this week. How should this man die

    ?
    The law precept ‘an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth’ is as old as mankind. In keeping with that law, the man should die by the same method he used in his killing(s).

  • DBdowner

    With scientific advancement, beyond a reasonable doubt is a lot easier place to get. But how many people know the difference between a reasonable doubt and a silly stupid emotional opinion? I think we should not use the death penalty based on verbal accounts. I believe there must or should be verifiable evidence to go along with accounts and timelines etc.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    For reference to saving lives with the death penalty, take a look at ews48′s post way up there. Somewhere between 3 and 18 lives appear to be saved for each person who is executed. Also, take a close look at Eno’s post; his “it doesn’t deter” is a typo on his part, as two sentences later he’s pointing out that cons know exactly what states have a death penalty, and they try like **** to keep out of them. He agrees that it is a deterrent when you read it closely.

    Also, though it’s not the only thing that went on at that time (of course), the murder rate quickly tripled when the death penalty was banned, but then halved as states reinstated the penalty. (Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe, a few years back, you can find it on http://www.jewishworldreview.com)

    And yes, an absence of evidence of executed innocents is not proof that it hasn’t happened. However, there are an awful lot of organizations that are working very hard to release those on death row, and the fact that they haven’t found cases where this has happened is testimony that, despite its faults, our legal system is pretty darned good.

    Finally, the sad reality is that the perp in this case is probably not going to get the death penalty. He appears to be avoiding it by working with the police to find the body and so on. I hope I’m wrong, but this is the pattern, and he isn’t in Texas or Florida.

  • *

    * and Eno, somewhere in my mind I know you’re indisputably correct but, please forgive me that I am not ready to accept civilities on the behalf of this killer.

    Anna, with all due respect, this line of reasoning is absolutely the most groundless, vile, and profoundly stupid argument one can ever hear from the pro-death penalty croud.

    One must either be pro-death penalty, or in favor of mutilating and killing children, am I right?

    Note that both Eno and myself have said, yes, this man deserves to die. We have only qualified that the state should not be charged with executing him.

    We are not extending civilities to a killer, we are merely questioning the boundaries that a modern, civilized society places on itself when it comes to administering punishment.

    We are, in fact, extending civilities to common sense.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    * If you think the American justice system is perfect enough to administer the ultimate punishment

    You’re correct it is an emotional topic so.. to be sure we execute the right guy perhaps we can just execute all the habitual pedophile atrocities we allow to convict, torture, execute, and dispose of our little children.
    * and Eno, somewhere in my mind I know you’re indisputably correct but, please forgive me that I am not ready to accept civilities on the behalf of this killer.

  • DJYahtzee

    I am a knuckle-dragging prison guard by profession, formerly from Mandan ND, and now living in Baraboo WI.

    Pilgrim, I agree with every point you make. These animals, properly convicted and guilty beyond a doubt, need to be extinguished.

    If folks are uneasy with giving Gov. that kind of power, how about let’s take a vote?

    Judging from the reactions here and other places I’ve visited, this guy would be toast if it were left up to a majority vote instead of the individual judgements of entrenched politicians and center-of-the-universe judges.

    I know quite a few convicts, guilty of heinous crimes against humanity, who may (some who definitely will), hit the bricks again.

    Are they re-habilitated?

    Not on your life. Rehab is a liberal pipe dream. The reality is universal overcrowding, AIDS, TB and MRSA-rife populations, violence and death.

    The only people liberals want on death row are babies. It’s a choice, doan’cha know? Unlike the poor convicts, who were driven to their crimes by a bad childhood, babies are guilty of the unforgivable crime of being inconvenient.

    Again, great post, Pilgrim.

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  • Eno

    Excellent post and many good points, Pilgrim. but I’ll take up the anti-death penalty argument. First, you are absolutley right about 99% of the leftie arguments against the death penalty. You didn’t mention its not a deterrent. (Full disclosure) I’m a public defender in a non-death penalty state. I guarantee you that most of my clients know the potential penalties of their crimes. Those being moved from prison here in West Virginia to death penalty States fight like hell to stay here. It clearly is a deterrent to future criminals, and is the ultimate deterrent for the person on whom the death penalty is enacted.

    I’m not dealing with the obvious issue of allowing criminal illegals to remain here.

    The answer to your question of why should this monster be allowed to breathe another second is clear: he shouldn’t.

    So why am I against the death penalty?

    Our legal sytem is two things: 1)The best in the world and possibly the history of civilization; 2)Completely fallible and laden with dishonesty and incompetence. The U.S. legal system operates as best it can. Usually the guilty are prosecuted and the innocent protected. The system is often operated by incompetent parties (lawyers, judges and police officers), and sometimes dishonest people (see above list) with illegal or downright evil agendas. In West Virginia, the State Police crime lab has twice been prosecuted for manufacturing evidence against innocent people. Several of these people would have been executed before the crime against them was exposed.

    I’m sorry, but that is totally unacceptable in a free society, and no conservative or liberterian should trust the goverment with such a complete and total power. There is no reason for this horrid scumbag to remain alive, nor am I saying we have a “higher standard”. I saying our system is imperfect, and should not be permitted to make completely and totally irreversible decisions. A quick and painless death is mote than this slime desrves, but I don’t want political people like Hillary Clinton to have this sort of power in their questionalble hands.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    *, your “unimpeachable” argument against the death penalty is impeached by the basic criterion for conviction used since the Magna Carta, “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.” The legal system is not required to deal in absolute certainties here, as you claim.

    And yes, there are a lot of organizations out there working against the death penalty. There is Amnesty International, and each state appears to have multiple anti-death-penalty organizations. Plus, many law schools have student organizations against the death penalty that would turn the volume up to 11 if they found a clear case where innocents were executed. Google it.

    Moreover, as long as the DA and the judge have law degrees and bar licenses, your objection really doesn’t hold water. Sorry, but every death penalty case gets appealed through state and generally federal courts, where the selection of justices is removed from direct elections. Even many “elected” judges are appointed by governors or legislatures, but merely approved or renewed by the electorate.

    For someone vehemently opposed to the penalty, you seem to be quite uninformed about how it works, who opposes it, and so on. Take a look around to see how it’s really imposed, how it’s appealed, and who is working to overturn these convictions. Your opinion may not be changed, but at least you’ll realize the redundancy of what “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt” means.

    And again, this guy, if guilty of this crime, deserves the penalty, but I doubt he’ll get it.

  • Pilgrim

    I’m not so naive that I don’t realize I am talking from my heart and not my brain right now.

    Ditto. BUT…..in this case and cases like it, I’ll just have to live with that. You can assume a mantle of glorious civilization and intellectualize this until the animal who did it dies of old age.

    OR….you can take a page from our ancestors. See a threat to the children of the tribe, get a club and hit it in the head and kill it. Finished. Threat’s gone.

    Let’s see…hyperintellectualism or a club? I’ll take the club. Call it barbaric, primitive, or whatever. I can live with that.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    Nah… doesn’t really matter, I was merely acknowledging that you are correct and that I agree with you. I was admitting that my comments are currently based on my emotions.
    In other words … I’m not so naive that I don’t realize I am talking from my heart and not my brain right now.

  • Bat One

    That this happens at all in this country is outrageous. I am not a big fan of Bill O’Reilly, but his crusade for the passage and implementation of “Jessica’s Law” in all states, mandating a first offense sentence of 25 to life is dead on.

    There is no excuse for our society allowing depraved animals such as this to roam among us, preying on innocent children. Those who do this should be dispatched immediately. A quick, painless death is far better than this miserable piece of slime deserves.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/Anna/ Anna

    Eno, and if he admits guilt with evidence maybe he can bargain to a lesser crime or be deported to murder the little girls of his own country (which is probably why he fled here to begin with) Death row is too good for him.

  • DBdowner

    For crimes like this one, I would actually be a fan of stoning, buring etc. These human pieces of trash need a crash course in empathy. A taste of their own medicine, pain and death, might lead them to cast it off in their last few moments. Killing killers is justice. Killing is a negative and a killer is a negative but put them together and you get a positive. (-1)(-1)=+1

    I’ve said myself. If having the death penalty strictly enforced for murders meant I would die by false accusation, I would still suppport it whole heartedly. If this did happen, I would think of how honourable it is to make your best effort even if you fail. A whole hearted and earnest attempt at justice is good to the core.

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    First of all, we do need to come back that there are no known cases where someone has been wrongly executed in this country in the modern age. Again, Amnesty International and others would be trumpeting such a case if it existed. It seems that our system of repeated appeals and “guilt beyond a reasonable doubt” is working pretty well.

    In the case referenced by *, it does need to be remembered that every bit if evidence has already been reviewed by multiple courts, so there must be a reason that these data haven’t carried the day. We need to remember the Proverb that notes that every witness’ testimony sounds compelling until his adversary speaks.

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  • *

    DB- allow me to laud you for your hypothetical act of courage (being willing to be executed to allow for continual executions.)

    Allow me to ask further; are you willing to kill other innocent people for the sake of this time honored tradition?

    DB, here’s a man on death row, set to die this week. How should this man die?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/us/15execute.html

    What is justice, DB?

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