In Minnesota, Some Absentee Ballots Count More Than Others

The Wall Street Journal thinks Norm Coleman should push in the seemingly never-ending tussle over absentee ballots in Minnesota. While I’m no fan of Coleman in general, it certainly seems as though he’s got a case.

Early in the recount, the Franken team howled that some absentee votes had been erroneously rejected by local officials. We warned at the time that this was dangerous territory, designed to pressure election officials into accepting rejected ballots after the fact.
Yet instead of shutting this Franken request down, or early on issuing a clear set of rules as to which absentees were valid, the state Supreme Court and the canvassing board oversaw a haphazard process by which some counties submitted new batches to be included in the tally, while other counties did not. The resulting additional 933 ballots were largely responsible for Mr. Franken’s narrow lead.
During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6,500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933. The three judges then finally defined what constituted a “legal” absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.
But the panel only applied these standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional absentees that the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed only about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now “illegal” according to the panel’s own ex-post definition.

Moral of the story? Don’t send in an absentee ballot. Go the polls and vote.

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Seems like the solution into require a run off election if the result is within a certain number of votes.

    Republicans, like children, demand a do-over.

    The thing is that Coleman was a Dem, and a fairly liberal one to begin with or he never would have gotten elected in MN in the first place.

    Two words: Michelle Bachman.

    Coleman was a republican. They’re all scum.

  • deadrody

    The REAL moral of the story is, time to get a voting system that utilizes the technology of the 21st century to capture EXACTLY what the voter intends and flat out prevents voter fraud.

    And yes, that includes a national smart-card ID for everyone. Including illegals. Of course their ID will clearly indicate that they are illegal. That fact shouldn’t be publicized at all, but utilized to its fullest potential.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Minnesota will get just what they are deserving of–a jokster for a Senator.

    You’re talking about a state that elected Jesse Ventura and Michelle Bachman.

    I wonder what happened to Minnesota? It used to be a liberal, intellectual state. Now it’s full of ignorant brainstem cons.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

    The thing is that Coleman was a Dem, and a fairly liberal one to begin with or he never would have gotten elected in MN in the first place. He never was a real Republican, look at his record on drilling in ANWAR. I am glad to say that I now live in ND, and have left the left-looney state of MN in my rear view mirror.

  • welder4

    Gore did not cry over his loss? he groaned and wept and howled to the supreme court, he just did not have Acorn as strong as they are now filling ballot boxes with illegal votes . As far as I am concerned Frankens win is a moot point due to Cole man being a dem in Republicans clothing he is as bad as Mcwhats his name . I would rather have someone declare what they stand for instead of claim to be something else when they are not . 70 % of republicans do not believe in warming so 30% are in the tank for more control and money, this little tid bit brought to you by your home town terrorist .

  • andophiroxia

    He is a public servant, you know. So, if the people can decide they don’t like his policies, why the derision over the Tea Parties?

    It’s our Constitutional right as Americans, why are you downtalking that?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    Otherwise, our president would be elected every four years by the ten largest cities in the nation.

    But that’s how you degenerates believe it should be. “Majority rules”, right? That’s how you feel about gay marriage and other social issues.

  • http://dougeefargo.blogspot.com/ dougee

    You’re talking about a state that elected Jesse Ventura and Michelle Bachman.

    The wingbats go crazy once again over Michelle Bachman. lol.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

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    I think it is best where you have two parties who stand by a set of principles and let people decide.

  • robert108

    But that’s how you degenerates believe it should be.

    You contradict yourself, degenerate little dino.
    Freedom requires responbility, which is why you lefties hate it and want to destroy it. In an individualistic society, personal morality determines how well society works.
    The secret of the tremendous success of America is due to our personal moral standards.
    Freedom didn’t work in Russia, due to the destruction of their personal morality under 70 years of commie rule.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    The constitution exists so that the rights of the minority don’t get forgotten about.

    You only feel that way because if not for the electoral college, republicans would rarely get elected President.

    The rest of your post was like treading water.

  • Stewartized

    “If it weren`t for states like ND getting 3 electoral votes, the 8 yrs. of Bush wouldn`t have happened.” Dino, do get dumber every day, or what? The reason Gore lost that election, other than being an idiot, is that he LOST HIS HOME STATE OF TENNESSEE! And his former bosses state of Ark! If he wins Tenn., Florida doesn`t even matter. Only an idiot can loose his home state, and only an idiot like you doesn`t know it.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think states should adopt a run-off system rather than prolong this through the court systems.

    Regarding this case it seems that this clearly violates Bush v Gore.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Well there you go again r180.

  • robert108

    It’s our Constitutional right as Americans…

    It’s called “freedom of assembly” and “freedom to petition for redress of grievances”, I believe.

  • andophiroxia

    I’m with whistler. Seems like the solution into require a run off election if the result is within a certain number of votes.

    I would tend to agree here. If an election is THAT close, a definite run-off would be much more decisive and beneficial for all parties involved. It would also cut out the legal quibbling and backbiting for all involved in this arena.

    It worked for Saxby Chambliss in Georgia. :)

  • docdave

    From bad comedy to bad legislation. Yeah, I guess that fits.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    If an election is THAT close, a definite run-off would be much more decisive and beneficial for all parties involved.

    Well sure it would. Then the losing side, already having a preview that they need to get out the vote, will increase turnout that little amount needed to win.

    Did you advocate for a do-over of the 2000 election? if it weren’t for the fact that states like ND get at least 3 electoral votes, the 8 year bush nightmare would not have happened. ND has less people in the whole state than are in Pelosi’s CA district. If things were proportional and ND got 3 electoral votes, CA should have 210.

  • andophiroxia

    So, why is it when liberals win an election all discourse should stop, but when conservatives win an election, freedom of speech is all of a sudden ‘sacred’?

    Interesting, Bush, conservatives, and the Republican party have never during his 8 whole years, EVER called for the quashing of free speech. However, now that Obama is in office it’s perfectly acceptable to.

    Interesting.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    if not for the electoral college, republicans would rarely get elected President.

    WTF are you talking about. There’s been ONE election in recent years where the popular vote winner didn’t win the electoral college.

    You really are an idiot aren’t you.

  • docdave

    a tax dodging lefty buffoon and professional clown getting as many votes as he did makes Minny voters the culprits here.

    Perhaps this explains that

    Minnesotans have consistently cast their Electoral College votes for Democratic presidential candidates since 1976, longer than any other state. Minnesota is the only state in the nation that did not vote for Ronald Reagan in either of his presidential runs.

    I figure he can swept in with Obama.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 Dino2

    More victimhood whining from the sore loser crowd. “We lost and want a do-over!”

    It’s time for Coleman to STFU about his loss and move on, like Gore did in 2000.

  • robert108

    Unlike you, little ribby, I always get it right.

  • andophiroxia

    It wouldn’t surprise me that with the missteps of the Republican national party there could be support fro a third party from the right. That would make that party more viable.

    I think it would lead to a more divisive stance. The reason being is that a Parliamentary system consists of 3 parties like England. In order to have anything decisive, they have to have the most votes for the party leader to take de facto control. However, looking at the British system things get more politicized because of the votes they wish to garner in their favor. It would split up the vote even more.

    However, I am in favor of a wide spectrum of individuals for each party with common principles for America, but differ in their philosophies. I don’t even know what the Democrat party stands for in America anymore with the exceptions of extreme socialism/communism. I am sure there are more Democrats that are wholly underrepresented than the fringe left and probably feel the same way as us. It’s hard to tell.

    I think it is best where you have two parties who stand by a set of principles and let people decide.

  • Buzz

    Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy!

  • robert108

    I get things right for a very specific reason, little ribby: unlike you, who lives to deceive by falsifying information, I make every effort to determine the good information and reject the bad information, which is why I smack you with the truth so often.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Will wonders never cease!!!

    r180 got one right!!!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope

    yep..and that loss in TN is what eats algore up to this day.

    but the truth is the good folk in TN didn’t leave algore…he left them.

  • robert108

    …if not for the electoral college, republicans would rarely get elected President.

    Historically false. Both Reagan and Nixon won overwhelmingly, along with Eisenhower. Wrong again, little dino.
    The Electoral College exists to give smaller States some voice in the election of the President. Why do you hate our Constitution, little dino?

  • robert108

    I have no problem with any two consenting adults of the same sex forming a relationship or partnership. I simply object to calling it a ‘marriage’

    I have a problem with the homo terrorists trying to overthrow the will of the people in CA over Prop 8. That sort of violence has no place in a polite society.

  • pparets

    I have no problem with any two consenting adults of the same sex forming a relationship or partnership. I simply object to calling it a ‘marriage’

    We differ profoundly on this… I understand that.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope

    a tax dodging lefty buffoon and professional clown getting as many votes as he did makes Minny voters the culprits here.

    but their craziness is about to spill over into national politics, giving the Dem loons in the Senate another vote to kill US with

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Ahhhh…welder 4….ahhhhh who took a case to the Supreme Court?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Did you advocate for a do-over of the 2000 election?

    I haven’t thought about it as far as the constitutionality of it, but aside from that I wouldn’t see a problem with a run-off if that was the rules set before the election.

    I suppose you’d have to do it state by state which would be ok.

    It’d certainly make things better in the case of a strong third party. For instance I think in Lousiana if a candidate doesn’t get 50% they have a runoff for the top two.

    Be careful what you wish for though. It wouldn’t surprise me that with the missteps of the Republican national party there could be support fro a third party from the right. That would make that party more viable.

    if it weren’t for the fact that states like ND get at least 3 electoral votes

    So. The constitution exists so that the rights of the minority don’t get forgotten about.

  • pparets

    Dino said…

    if not for the electoral college

    I’m guessing the Obama people are pretty happy with the Electoral College, because that’s where he got his landslide… not in the popular vote.

    The Electoral College works exactly as it was intended to; it guarantees political power to the agragate of the smaller states, balanced against the power of the large ones. Otherwise, our president would be elected every four years by the ten largest cities in the nation.

  • FedUp

    Minnesota must be so proud. I’m sure MR. Smalley will bring all his expertise to the Congress. Although, to be fair, with the morons in there now, he can’t be much worse.

  • Halatbis

    Minnesota will get just what they are deserving of–a jokster for a Senator. But then again, as I think about it, a peson like Al franken will fit right in with what is going on in washington DC. “Sweet Land of Liberty” —how is you did flee???

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I’m with whistler. Seems like the solution into require a run off election if the result is within a certain number of votes.

  • Erikreander

    “And what country can preserve it’s liberties, if the rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take up arms. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to William S. Smith, 1787

  • http://sayanythingblog.com Mountainmouth

    The Dems/Libs/Progressives are skilled in voter fraud – refining skills for generations.

    That is why they were so upset with Florida 2000 –
    Even with all the attempts to steal the election, When the votes were counted (and recounted and recounted again) Bush still won. Pretty sad when you cheat and still lose.

    Make you wonder what the true Congressional make up would be if there election results that reflected the will of the people. No Dead people voting, no convicted felons, no illegal aliens no more voting early and often – Wow Dems would be in real trouble.

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