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Sunday, January 13, 2008

In Florida, Rudy Asks For Prayers And Quotes Scripture

Has it really come to this?

I don’t really have much of a problem with a politician quoting scripture or asking for prayers if that’s there thing, but the point is that this isn’t Rudy’s thing.  It seems contrived to me at this point in the primaries, especially with Huckabee’s rise.

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It seems contrived to me at this point in the primaries, especially with Huckabee’s rise.

Yes, it is contrived, and yes, it HAS come to this.

I told you long ago—before I even knew who Mike Huckabee was—that the republican candidates could not afford to neglect their “values voter” base.

But they did, and now it has come to this.

Mike was the only one smart enough to know that “you gotta dance with the one who brung ya”, and now everyone else is has to play catch-up.


[Feet make good soup!]

Marty on January 13, 2008 at 06:31 pm

And I thought Hucklebee had plumbed the depths of pandering BS.


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2Hotel9 on January 13, 2008 at 06:36 pm

I don’t think it is contrived. Rudy is quite possibly more spiritual than we know. He is a good man, IF you ask me? BUT no one ever asks me.

Zsa Zsa on January 13, 2008 at 06:42 pm

Zsa Zsa,

Rudy claims to be a Catholic, yet is thwice divorced, supports abortion, and supports homosexuality.

If only the Pope has a 3-strikes policy…


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Marty on January 13, 2008 at 06:55 pm

I didn’t say he was perfect. I never did quite understand the catholic divorce thing. OR annulment thing. Especially after they have children. AND I know more Catholic girls who have had abortions. What is up with the catholics?

Zsa Zsa on January 13, 2008 at 07:04 pm

What is up with the catholics?

Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, apparently…

rasberry


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Marty on January 13, 2008 at 07:06 pm

Marty: Who appointed you as the judge of someone else’s degree of Faith?  Pride goeth before a fall.


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robert108 on January 13, 2008 at 07:06 pm

Marty: If perfection is a requirement for being saved, I am in big trouble! In a strange way the drug addict best knows the dangers of that lifestyle. Likewise, I am sure that Rudy knows he has failed to be a good husband and father, having sincere regrets for the harm he has caused others. I am not a Rudy supporter, but I understand personal failures and how they can scar a person, and knowing that, I am am sympathetic that Rudy, knowing his many faults may feel more in need of prayer than the average man.

Of course, I could be wrong and it is all a crass political act, but until that is proven I prefer to remain charitable.


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Neiman on January 13, 2008 at 07:10 pm

robert108, I never “judged” anyone—I merely call em as I see em.

The Catholic church as a matter of doctrine does not accept divorce, abortion, or homosexuality.  The Pope would probably judge Rudy an apostate, but I would merely call him “highly suspect” in matters of faith.

He looks more like an Epscopalian to me, than a Catholic.


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Marty on January 13, 2008 at 07:13 pm

I never “judged” anyone—I merely call em as I see em.

You judged his faith, not his adherence to Church doctrine.  You drew that conclusion.


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robert108 on January 13, 2008 at 07:14 pm

robert108, I merely said that “Rudy claims to be a Catholic, yet is thwice divorced, supports abortion, and supports homosexuality.”

If you’d like to explain to me how this was “judg[ing] his faith, and not his adherence to Church Doctrine”, I’ll listen to what you have to say.

If not, we can get back on topic.


[Feet make good soup!]

Marty on January 13, 2008 at 07:19 pm

Rudy claims to be a Catholic…

Please don’t deny that you were questioning his Faith with that assertion.  You imply that one who doesn’t follow what you consider important in Church doctrine isn’t really a Catholic.  I think your meaning was pretty plain.

To which “topic” are you referring?  Isn’t this entire discussion about judging the Faith of the candidates, and how important it is in the campaign?


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robert108 on January 13, 2008 at 07:24 pm

Marty: To be clear; I don’t support Rudy because he isn’t a real conservative, by which I mean that he doesn’t support all the conservative points of view.  I don’t agree that there is a real divide between “social” and “fiscal” conservatives; people who support leftie social policy are lefties, IMO.  How can you be fiscally responsible if you believe in social spending to “improve” society?  IMO, govt should play very little a role in determining social policies; that should be left up to the voters and the general choices of the American people.  I regard social activism as tyranny and intimidation.

That government is best that governs least.

Just to add: I don’t care much about the private life of my President; I want him to govern, not advocate.

As a side note, I don’t care one bit about Hillary’s religion; I don’t want her because she’s a communist.


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robert108 on January 13, 2008 at 07:31 pm

Robert, feel free to “imply” whatever you need or want from what I wrote.

I don’t care much about the private life of my President; I want him to govern, not advocate.

I care a great deal whether or not what a governor says in public matches how he lives in private.  I care a great deal whether or not he is a patholigical liar, or a cynical hypocrite.

And yes, I do expect him to advocate.


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Marty on January 13, 2008 at 07:45 pm

And yes, I do expect him to advocate.

I guess you aren’t a conservative, then.

That govt is best which governs least.  I don’t think it’s hypocritical for a politician to have a private life that is different from his life as a public official.  In fact, I think that’s normal.  To me, what is creepy is someone like Hillary, who seems to have no life outside of her politics.  No core values.

When Reagan was asked if he would campaign against abortion, since he was pro-life, he said that he was the President of all the people, and would follow the law of the land, while hoping that it would be overturned by the people.  Contrast that to Clinton, who only represented his favored groups.
If we get any of the Dems, it will be like that again.  Republicans will have little or no voice in govt.  Not so if a Republican(especially a conservative one) is elected.


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robert108 on January 13, 2008 at 07:53 pm

You’re kidding right?

Are you seriously suggesting that Ronald Reagan did not advocate for overturning Roe v. Wade????

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/reagan200406101030.asp

Man, you are on a roll tonight—get some rest!


[Feet make good soup!]

Marty on January 13, 2008 at 07:59 pm

Are you seriously suggesting that Ronald Reagan did not advocate for overturning Roe v. Wade????

I paraphrased what he said on the matter as President.  What he did as a private citizen is another matter, as I have already said.


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robert108 on January 13, 2008 at 08:03 pm

If I were Rudy, I’d be asking for prayers too. Like Fred, he waited an awfully long time to get going in this race. One of the very few benefits of our tedious and prolonged primary system is that we get a glimpse - albeit not always accurate - at the energy level and drive of each candidate. Or,as my mother used to say, “You can’t clean the room while sitting on the bed.”


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on January 14, 2008 at 04:09 am
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