Sven?

Holden?

Holden.

HOLDEN?

Roe:

k…I’m gonna go ahead and ignore you, and wait for ‘Rob’ to answer me. And, scientifically, that is not a human being in those pictures

That may be true by your definition, but it’s certainly not a scientific one.

If you want an analogy, we consider the larval form of an insect a member of that same insect species. In the same way a developed human and a human fetus are both members of the human species.

So nice appeal to authority, but you’re flat wrong.

Rather than “wade” through the Roe debate

Supreme ly funny, TeacherDave! Letterman will come court ing, no doubt!

that labor would kill my wife

Even then, there are other choices than to kill the unborn – like Casearian operations.

Good post, sweetie!! And what exactly is wrong with the name Holden? Hmm, Whistler?? It is better than like Fred… No offense to anyone named Fred… Just not a personal favorite.

roe – Sorry, but I don’t resort to calling people names. I’m not in first grade anymore.

Yes you do. And you’re dumb enough to use the same IP address.

Way to make a dumb assumption though…

“Assumption”? Same IP address, similar e-mail, comments one minute apart. No assumption.

…and way to avoid the topic.

Nobody is avoiding the topic.

So….is it a fetus or a human being?

False proposition. It’s both. It’s not an either/or question.

A human being and a fetus are not the same thing.

No kidding. Nobody here ever claimed that they were.

Let me help you out here since you obviously lack the logic to reason this one through: a human fetus is always a human being. A human being, by contrast, isn’t necessarily also a fetus. That human being could be a baby, for example. Or a kid. Or an adult.

I was hoping you would know this. I overestimated your intelligence.

Who are you talking to besides your own straw man?

A human being and a fetus are not the same thing. I was hoping you would know this. I overestimated your intelligence.

So…..what if you and your wife were told that, due to medical complications, she could die during labor….would you get an abortion or risk it?

k…I’m gonna go ahead and ignore you, and wait for ‘Rob’ to answer me.

You can ignore me all you like. I’m still going to point any logical fallacies you may make.

And, scientifically, that is not a human being in those pictures.

Then what is it?

k…I’m gonna go ahead and ignore you, and wait for ‘Rob’ to answer me. And, scientifically, that is not a human being in those pictures.

I kind of like the name David but then wouldn’t I? Anyway, Rob, congradulations to you and your wife. You have created a life, the most wonderous thing that you two will ever do.

Sheesh, I give a cookie and get called nasty names … hate to see what would have happened if I served milk with it.
Grr.. I leave for a few minutes and I miss the circus when it comes through.

BTW … likwidshoe, Thank you!

I’ll tell you what roe. Since you claim that you’re not the one calling Anna names, I’ll go ahead and just ban the IP “deisofie” used. Since you insist that you’re not him, this shouldn’t affect you. Okay?

Now we can move on from the ugliness you have brought onto this thread.

A human being and a fetus are not the same thing.

A human fetus is a human being. You pro-abortionists always leave that vital detail out.

How about Precious Sugar Wonderful Port the first? I think that has a nice ring to it. We named my new golden retriever pup Forbes. No one would let me name him what I really wanted to name him…

Neiman and I have been known to have the odd minor disagreement on another thread. My opinions of “Intelligent Design” are best left unsaid too.

But in this one, I’m with him. That’s your child, and if it’s a “scrap of tissue”, then so are we all. I wish both mother and child a safe pregnancy, and a trouble-free birth.

Congratulations to all concerned!

One thing though – you’ve got to promise to show us pictures after the birth. Ok, I got a triple dose of Maternal Instinct, but all the same, please post some.

If you want a little theology on the bio ethics, it depends on what the intent is, and sometimes the procedure: Lets take a tubal (Ectopic) pregnancy for example
If the intent is to destroy the child’s life, by a direct attack on the fetus, this is always wrong.

However, to save the mother’s life, and in the process of saving the mothers life, the baby dies, this is acceptable. By surgically removal, It is an indirect and unfortunate, though necessary, consequence that the fetus will die.

The abortion issue is very touchy. Many of the reasons that you hear from pro aborts are:
1. Rape — Yes there was a crime committed, but you want to end an innocent life?
2. Saving the mothers life — A valid argument in some cases.
3. The child will have deformities — Does this make it any less human, and do they not have a right to live?

Over 90% of abortions are not due to Pro Aborts arguments, look at the statistics, The vast majority of children are aborted because the parents don’t want to be parents & the don’t want to be inconvenienced.

How about Zsa Zsa for a girl? AND… Pedro if it is a boy?

What’s wrong with “Rob Jr.”?

If I am correct part of being human is going through life’s phases of physical and hopefully mental (this one goes out to adult fetuses of the world) growth, decay, and death. The fetus happens to be a human being going through one of the first phases and most rapid phases of growth. How cool! Grats, Rob. These liberals lack of conscience causes me to doubt they are indeed persons. Their minds are what you would get if you duct taped a calculator to a lizard brain. And kuddos to science for being a trend setter when it comes to morals and ethics. Its rich history of frying lives monkeys, disecting live humans, gutting various live domestic pets, cross breeding humans with other species, etc provides clear evidense that science is the only real authority on what is moral and immoral. Imagine how stupid we would all be if we didn’t have these adult fetuses telling us how dumb we are for thinking morality lies outside the realm of science.

Those in favor must dehumanize the fetus or they are left with the ugly fact that abortion is murder.

Besides the fact that a choice between having a baby and the mother’s life being at risk being rare; it is a terrible moral question that only the mother can answer. Many women throughout history have preferred to give life rather than protect their own, but if the woman thinks otherwise she alone must live with the decision. That is why a strong immediate and extended family, a minister and close friends are so much better at such times, there is strength in numbers (a multitude of counselors).

A human being and a “fetus” are not the same thing

Let me translate: A human being and a “baby” are not the same thing. Please continue the discussion in English! I should like to see a defense of the indefensible!

How about Zsa Zsa for a girl? AND… Pedro if it is a boy?

Or since we’re Norwegian it could be Ole or Lena!!

Hey Mick (Bunny), did you ever thing of Hayden? Hayden Robert is nice.

Thanks! I don’t like my child being called a non-human fetus creature thing.

Right on, Jess!! A baby is and has been a human not a thing since time began for the human race. To say otherwise is to deny reality.

So you’d pretty much not need any husband walking around the emergency room fiddling with the electronic equipment and distracting the doctor.

How exactly did you come to this conclusion?? And why are you trying to get Rob out of something that he wants to be there for anyway?

I’ve been away from my computer for a while… Congratulations!

Although every time I hear the name “Holden” I think of the main character in the
worst novel ever written.

I never thought about Sugar Bunny. Although it does fit!! By the way, the Mick is for Mouse. Not Mantle.

How about Sugar Bunny? That is a cute picture!…

LOL, when my kids started complaining when I called them the dogs name … I knew then I had to do something.

Congratulations to the both of you, and best wishes.

Sorry, Rob, I got caught up in answering the infntilistic comment of Roe, whoever that is and didn’t say….

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

And, boy, is your life about to change.

Congratulations, may this be the first of many arrows for you metaphorical quiver.

The technology is better now. Used to be they’d point at something random and say “There’s his nose.” and you were obliged to act like you saw it too.

Hector Peabody Port has a nice ring to it.

It does kind of galumph across the tongue, doesn’t it?

Sorry, but I don’t resort to calling people names. I’m not in first grade anymore. Way to make a dumb assumption though, and way to avoid the topic. So….is it a fetus or a human being?

Hector Peabody Port has a nice ring to it.

He turned the post into an anti-abortion shot…

Well yeah, I can see how one would say that. When you admit that it’s a human being in the womb, it tends to be “anti-abortion” by the very nature of the admission.

…so I’m asking him a hypothetical…

I see you setting up a straw man and looking to play “gotcha!”

I don’t see a problem with that.

Let me guess – you’re an abortion supporter and you took offense to the “anti-abortion shot” (really just an admission of truth, but whatever).

I’m aware that my life is about to change, but this is my second one. I’m prepared.

Roe,

So…..what if you and your wife were told that, due to medical complications, she could die during labor….would you get an abortion or risk it?

That’s a fair question. Personally, I think this situation could well be the only possible exception where abortion is a legitimate choice. It’s hard to speak to medical hypotheticals, but if the doctor said that labor would kill my wife I think it’s acceptable to make a choice in that instance. Just as an emergency room doctor, forced to make a choice between two trauma patients, has to choose to let one live and the other die.

But that, of course, is a much different situation than killing your unborn child because you don’t want to accept the responsibility of raising it.

Hey, I think Holden is an awesome name, jerk.

What’s wrong with Holden? I picked it?

I picked out both names, in fact.