“If Your Actions Result In Only Saving One Life, They’re Worth Taking”

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In speaking about gun control today, Vice President Joe Biden set the bar pretty low for the impact of new policy:

“As the president said, if your actions result in only saving one life, they’re worth taking. But I’m convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm’s way if we act responsibly.”

The absurdity of that statement shouldn’t be lost on the public, not the least of which because it justifies a lot of bad policy.

For instance, we could probably save one life by banning automobiles tomorrow. After all, in 2011 more than 32,000 Americans died in car accidents. No more cars almost certainly means lives saved.

We could also save a lot of lives by instituting government-mandated diets. Heart disease kills nearly 600,000 Americans annually, and diabetes claims more than 230,000. If the government mandated our diets, we’d save one life. Heck, why not institute a mandatory exercise program too? I mean, it would probably save one life, so it’s worth doing right?

Let’s ban bicycling, mountain climbing and sky diving too. They’re dangerous past times. People die doing them, and if we can save just one life…

I think you get my drift.

We could save a lot of lives by making ourselves less free. That doesn’t mean we should.

When politicians say silly things like this, it almost makes one think that they’re trying push through legislation by appealing to emotion instead of logic.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Emil Kashuntz

    Lets get some more kids shot because we pander to right wing paranoid nuts, and politicians that are afraid of the NRA. Wonderful bunch here.

    • Roy_Bean

      Adolph Hitler controlled guns and murdered over 16,000,000 people. I’m not afraid of the NRA, I’m afraid of people like you.

      • slackwarerobert

        Biggest mistake the NRA ever made was arming black people to protect themselves from the kkk. Now look what they caused. They should have stood with the democrats and let them all be strung up.

        • sbark

          I’m looking hard for the sarcasm here…….it is here isnt it?

          • slackwarerobert

            I hope so, because the alternative is me going to school and shoot lots of people. It just s*cks not being nuts, if I was nuts I could easily mistake the floor of the senate for a classroom full of little kids and the entire country would be better off. That is what I could never figure out, how can you not hit such an easily identified target? Big white sheet with a torch and you can’t draw a bead on it?

          • guest

            Couldn’t find the sarcasm but the crazy was widely available.

          • slackwarerobert

            It is hard to be sarcastic, when we are going to be in a shooting war before the next president takes over. I don’t see how it can be avoided. Neither the congress nor the courts care about the constitution any more. The only thing left is to make sure we win, and the tyrants are driven out. I hope we have to the outside of 3 years, it is still 12-18 months before I can handle high altitude bombers and fighters. Took my 9 months after waco before I could drop attack helicopters, but that will make them go higher and faster. Going to be a crap shoot, they will not tell me what the order of succession is for the presidency to a thousand places.

          • SusanBeehler

            You sound pretty nuts to me

        • SusanBeehler

          You are a bigot.

          • slackwarerobert

            Finally, someone who understands the difference between a bigot and a racist. Bless you and your parents that didn’t leave you to the public school system.

      • Guest

        Actually, that’s a false statement. It was the Weimar regime that instituted gun control, before the Nazi’s and Hitler took over. What you are propagating is just more right-wing dinger misinformation. But that’s all that’s done around here.

        • slackwarerobert

          Oh so enforcing bad law is OK. Because bush trashed the constitution, obama must continue destroying it? Even if you think hitler was a good man, by doing nothing he still allowed evil to triumph. The military was sworn to obey HIM, so it didn’t matter what the laws were before or after he took power.

        • joeb

          Okay, I agree it was the Weimar Republic which gave Hitler and the Nazis the registration scheme and the info they needed to collect the means of resisting their murderous campaign. That did not make the people killed any less dead.

          What makes you think something like it would have a better outcome here?

          The incumbent does not instill that sort of faith in me, he has already demonstrated and repeatedly stated his intent to act outside our Constitutional form of Government, and ranted about “Revenge”.

          “Revenge” against who? For what?
          No thanks, what I have I will keep for the rest of my life.

          Those engaging in the conspiracy (more than one working together) to stop Americans from practicing a fundamental Civil Right are the ones breaking the law.

    • jl

      Let’s get 32,000 more killed because we pander to cars. Emily- we missed you!

      • two_amber_lamps

        Yeah, that would be the big 3 pandering democrap party who sucks up contributions like Ellinasty debases 10 year old boys.

    • two_amber_lamps

      Hey! Look! It’s LIME KRUSHEDNUTZ! Long time no see ol bud! So I guess you’re all for Comrade Obama and his bid for an extra-constitutional America! Shred that silly scrap of parchment, right? Hold everyone to the standard of the insane, take their guns away… just in case it might save a life. What about the lives guns HAVE saved?

      You don’t think much past one step ahead do ya?

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UK-w5sJKo1c/UATnSIawTVI/AAAAAAAAAw4/EcS4Cnse9b8/s1600/gun%2Bcontrol%2Bexperts.jpg

    • donwalk

      Doesn’t appear as if conservatives deserve all of the blame, now does it?

      Murders in the city of Chicago, Illinois, are up over last year and could hit
      500 by the end of this year. That’s 41 per month, but where’s the media to
      wring their hands over this gun violence? Where’s the 24/7 news coverage,
      presidential addresses, and push for answers?

      The media can’t blame the murders on a lack of gun control, because Chicago has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country.

      The media can’t blame the murders on a lack of high taxes or big government, because Chicago is wholly owned by Democrats and this is also why the media can’t blame the GOP.

      You can pass all of the laws you want but until you figure out how to get the mentally deranged, those suffering from other mental diseases and/or the criminal elements in our society to obey and understand the laws, nothing will change.

      Lets us know about the last time you saw a gun, on its own, climb out of a storage case and walk out the door (just like those that walked into the Mexican cartels possession) and shoot someone without any assistance from a human?

      • sbark

        …..you see…..those are predominatly Obama voters……they have no problems with guns in their hands……even the ones that are killed can still vote Dem’cat with no problems for another 10 yrs.
        …….its guns in the hands of Red state conservative voters that they feel threatens this 3rd world tinpot wannabe.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        Take away guns from blacks and the gun/homicide rate will drop by 70%.
        Why pretend it aint so?

        • blackmamba

          Why not just take guns away from white males, if we do that 100% of the spree killings in schools will stop? Why pretend it aint so?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            The whites sure do know how to mass murder, don’t they.

          • slackwarerobert

            How do you figure? This was the first one I know of that could shoot straight. All the others couldn’t hit a wall it seems if they were in a room. Hundreds of rounds to hit a few people doesn’t scream I can commit mass murder, it screams I have no control, you are safe shooting me I can’t hit you even if I wanted to.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Besides most of the American mass murderers, ya know who else was white.

            Hitler.

          • Onslaught1066

            Your personal hero Uncle Joe Stalin and half of obama?

          • slackwarerobert

            So do we take away half of obamas guns? But his black half still shoot up the streets so we need them also. Then we will be safe in school and going to and from it.
            But what color were the ones telling the kids they couldn’t protect themselves? So first we need to get rid of the lawmakers.

    • $16179444

      so we ban guns….do you really think that will stop people from getting them?

    • Onslaught1066

      You own guns, don’t you?

      You and Bathilda like to shoot small defenseless creatures, don’t you?

      There’s an elementary school in Hazen, isn’t there?

      You are a disgruntled impeached Municipal (whatever that is) Judge, aren’t you?

      Your rants here pass for grade “A” quality paranoid delusions, don’t they.

      The action I would take is to imprison you for life on the off chance that doing so might save one life.

      • two_amber_lamps

        A la that silly Tom Cruise movie… Minority Report. Libs get the government they deserve, the rest of us are dragged along for the bolshevik ride.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      Emil, don’t you have a lunch date at an abortion clinic some where?

    • slackwarerobert

      So people are not gunning down our children? Paranoid is thinking something is going on when it isn’t. I think we have proof they are shooting kids. You are the idiot thinking that a sign saying no guns is the answer.

    • slackwarerobert

      So where is your outragfe that obama has guns in school protecting his kids? If the school is so dangerous, send them to the safe public school down the street that he says doesn’t need protection.

  • $8194357

    Biden is a riot, huh……..

    • banjo kid

      gaf after gaf or is that gaff ? notice he also stated that legislation would also be required but that should not stop Obama . I can see about three million gun owners on the white house lawn .

      • $8194357

        Liberals like the fools in front of the cameras…
        But their end goals are “deadly” serious, IMO..

      • slackwarerobert

        For a real laugh, tell your rep to help you get a permit for your protest on white house lawn. First time they ever called me, and they filled my answering machine almost every day with their panicked diatribe. They may ignore your letters, petitions, and protests. But tell them I am stopping by with my gun to say hi, and they call the next morning. Wife asking what I wrote this time also was great when I told her. We both looked forward to our daily phone message when we got home, went on for 3 weeks. Sadly you only get the area code as they use the whole tape up in panic.

    • slackwarerobert

      Careful, he already killed two with his motorcade, that is twice the body count of kennedy.

  • sbark

    Lets them show results 1st in Obama’s own Chcago…..do their “testing there”. In Chicago they have had the equivilent of 25 “sandy hooks” last year, and projects to happen this yr again…..
    ……….but they really just want to save the rest of america?
    Then……….if they really want to save lives…….lets talk about abortions millions per yr.

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Oh well, better not try anything, right rube?
    20 dead kids is just the price we pay for gun nut liberty.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      Oh, Nutterbob! You just want to return tho the failed policies of the past that didn’t work! Like those they have in Illinois…

    • donwalk

      446 school age children were shot in Chicago last year and 62 school aged children were actually killed in Chicago last year.
      Yet this is not news worthy because it would embarrass those anti second amendment whackos who believe in Chicago’s tough gun laws.

      Yet this is not news worthy because most of the kids who were shot and killed were minorities.
      Yet this is not news worthy because the liberal media doesn’t want to show Chicago in a bad light.

      Yet this is not news worthy because Chicago is a Liberal Democrat Haven and Liberals don’t want the world to know that their tough gun laws are a complete failure.
      No matter how tough the gun laws are, the crazed and the criminal element will not obey new laws, let alone any laws. They will find a way to get guns and if they so choose, use them.

      Face reality, your dream world is a failure and Chicago represent that dream world quite realistic.

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        Oh well, now is not the time to do anything, right donny? Better wait a few hundred more kid deaths. It’s worth it, for the sake of liberty or something.

        • donwalk

          Thank you for posting on how you are going to get the mentally ill and the criminal element to abide by new laws, when they don’t abide by any laws at all. Nice to know that you would rather trash our constitution, and give up your freedoms rather than confront your fears. Lets take away all driving privileges for everyone because of the drunks that continue to drive. That way nobody will be killed by cars either.

          What gun law would have stopped Newtown?

          Why has violent crime declined in the United States during
          the past 20 years even as gun ownership has ticked up?

          Why has crime declined even as gun-control laws have been
          liberalized?

          The assault-weapons ban passed in 1994 and was in effect for
          10 years. The paradigmatic school shooting took place at Columbine High School in 1999. Why didn’t the assault-weapons ban prevent it?

          There have been hundreds of murders with guns this year in
          Chicago, where gun laws are restrictive. What new gun laws does the city need to stop the tide of mayhem?

          Why do gun-free school laws never succeed in stopping
          lunatics bent on murder from taking guns to schools?

          Gun Violence Explodes In England

          Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a
          culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

          The latest Government figures show that the total number of
          firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year – a rise of 89 per cent.

          In some parts of the country, the number of offences has
          increased more than five-fold.

          In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

          Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying
          out armed patrols on some streets.

          To Liberals and Democrats, it simply doesn’t matter that gun
          control isn’t working in England or Chicago and it doesn’t matter if gun control is emboldening criminals to commit gun crime because they know the public isn’t armed.

          Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: “If Your Actions Result In Only Saving One Life, They’re Worth Taking”

          • two_amber_lamps

            Excellent post sir!

          • slackwarerobert

            Crooks, you lock up in prison so they can’t have access to guns. Mentally ill, you either lock up or they can have a gun. I am not worried a nut job has a gun, his chances of shooting me are very slim, and if you allow open carry so we can see him reach for the gun 100% chance he won’t clear the holster with it. Where in the constitution does it say criminals and mentally incompetent can’t exercise their rights? But if it will make you sleep better at night, I have no problem signing a piece of paper that I will only use weapons in defense of self and state. I won’t risk my family trying to save you, that is the police’s job. Maybe they will even spell your name right on the reports.

          • guest

            The person who bought the weapons used to kill 20 kids was not a crazy person. The crazy person had access to assault style weapons because the “sane” mother was a gun nut who hoarded guns, preparing for end of economy, that Glen Beck fortold.

          • donwalk

            So besides posting under a false name, you also advocate trashing the constitution?

            Subject: [ndsayanything] Re: “If Your Actions Result In Only Saving One Life, They’re Worth Taking”

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          For the sake of liberty and saving lives, you don’t return to the failed gun banning policies of the past, which only proved to make liberals feel good about themselves, while doing more harm than good to solve the real problems.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      If a school bus drives off a cliff do we ban school buses?

      • slackwarerobert

        They didn’t in alabama when it was tried. Well a bridge, but the result was the same “SQUASH” went the little skulls, and seats, and isles full of mush.
        I don’t know why they didn’t just ban gravity, or at least a 10 minute waiting period, that would have stopped the fall or allowed them to get off the bus also.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I think you guys have yet to point to a something that is better than doing nothing,

      • slackwarerobert

        Only because they wont point to ending gun free zones, and repealing reagan’s assault weapon ban. But I am really torn on the gun show loophole, I could really make some money charging the feds $5-$10 a piece for making me waste time getting a background check. Do I charge them extra for midnight service? If I sell a gun in hawaii it might be midnight in DC. But if I am forced to waste time with them, then they must pay me for my time.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      grabbing guns wont stop the maniacs or progressives

      • Onslaught1066

        Redundant redundant.

      • slackwarerobert

        Well it WILL stop the progressives in charge. The nuts who follow them might be upset about that.

    • slackwarerobert

      No, it is the price you pay for creating gun free zones. One dead shooter is the price you pay for having guns and freedom to use them.

  • banjo kid

    Rob they are using emotions that is their mainstay . Ban war that would save countless lives, the trouble is the entire world will not co-operate . silly is as silly does and to ban all guns would be the biggest mistake made so far in the history of man .

    • matthew_bosch

      Yes sir.
      The Central Planners tried to outlaw war, it was called the The Kellogg-Briand Pact.

      Oh lets not forget the Five-Power treaty for which Japan eventually decided wasn’t for them.

      Funny how the bad guys ignore these measures and continue with acts of aggression and evil.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I think we should make crime illegal.

      :-)

      • Onslaught1066

        Then what would Congress do?

        • slackwarerobert

          Exempt themselves like they do so they can break all our other laws.

      • $8194357

        They tried that and it didn’t work so they changed their tactics to passing laws that make the law abieding guilty instead…..

  • HG

    Arming teachers will save at least one life if not more.

    • mickey_moussaoui

      I had some crazy teachers. They might of used a gun on the class

      • Tim Pederson

        If they truly were crazy, and wanted to do harm, do you think a law prohibiting them from having a gun in school would have stopped them?

        • slackwarerobert

          Now they will, moochele got rid of twinkies. So they can’t blame them.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Guess that invalidates “The Twinkie Defense”….

      • slackwarerobert

        Gee, I had teachers who brought their guns just like we did, and we went shooting together. Knew a few cops where the safest place is in front of their gun also.

    • slackwarerobert

      Just don’t disarm them will be good enough for me. I don’t want those union thugs in wisconsin and michigan carrying a gun, and also doing it just to get an extra $25 in their paycheck. Just let responsible people who already carry not be disarmed. Besides this way the anti-gun principle can’t paint a target on their backs since they don’t get to pick and know who is armed. An added benefit is you can tack a gun charge on those child molesting teachers. That is why I keep one in my car, if a thief steels it, he also gets the gun charge added to the theft of my car. The chances of him having a permit and steeling cars is almost nil, and if he does, well sucks to be you sometimes.

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    “This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety … While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will notstop all assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals.”

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      And those of us capable of learning from history realize that that never happened. But, thanks for playing!

    • two_amber_lamps

      Yeah, Reagan sponsored a lot of anti-gun legislation… soon as you think of a bill he’s responsible for, let us know.

      • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

        Oh, look, two dim bulbs, here’s one now!

        • two_amber_lamps

          Funny…. I don’t recall that affecting me in any state other than… oh yeah, THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CALIFORNIA!

          Your argument is on par with blaming Arnie for all of California’s fiscal woes. Ever hear of a state legislature? Perhaps not since leftists like yourself prefer autocratic government. Obviously the people of leftist CA wanted the law, it was passed in the various houses, Ronnie was the last step.

          Give the people what they want… even if they’re stupid enough to disarm themselves. Or elect state representatives who’ll to it for them.

          We get the government we deserve.

          So what were the federal gun restriction laws were passed under Reagan you were talking about? Must be plenty of em….

          http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mYtXmPlITaw/UBFIkFOytZI/AAAAAAAAAqk/Tu70cM_1_T8/s400/guncontrol.jpg

          • slackwarerobert

            So how and where do you get your machine guns? Reagan took away mine and my sons chance to get one because it already has to have been registered in the 80’s before the law was signed, so you can’t just make it. The only way is to find someone to sell you theirs. Like that will happen with obama in office.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Maybe ol Raygun needed them to sweeten his deal with the terrorists he was arming.

          • slackwarerobert

            At least he made them pay top dollar, obama is arming them with our money.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Exactly, because arming terrorists is exactly the same thing as imposing sanctions that have driven down Iranian oil profits and crushed their economy.

            Report: Iran oil revenues down 45 percent

            Mon, Jan 7, 2013

            Iran’s revenues from vital oil and gas exports have dropped by 45 percent because of sanctions over its suspect nuclear program, a senior lawmaker said Monday, a clear admission that sanctions over Iran’s suspect nuclear program are having a severe impact.

            Iran’s sanctions-driven financial crisis has led to collapse of the currency, proposals for an austerity budget and government demands that local airlines clear their debts pay cash for fuel, or faced grounding — but its leaders have given no indication that they might give in to the pressure and scale back their nuclear development program.

            http://news.yahoo.com/report-iran-oil-revenues-down-45-percent-165634337.html

            You’re kind of an idiot, huh slacker?

          • Hal513

            And how has this stopped or slowed down their progress in developing a nuke?
            It hasn’t.

          • slackwarerobert

            The problem is the rulers don’t care that the economy is devastated. Just ask obama. Sanctions only work if you actually embargo and enforce them. You don’t allow ANYTHING in or out. Same problem with N. korea, we let food, medicine, nuclear plants, etc in, well that is feeding the dictator and his army you idiot. Let nothing in or out and you will make them feel it. Or airdrop a c-141 full of saturday night specials so the people can take care of the problem themselves.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Get em while you can… though I wouldn’t have much use for a pistol. I’d much prefer an AR-15 SBR, a can, and a drop-in autosear. Unfortunately you’re right, you’ll pay a premium for it….

            That or an MP-5, preferably suppressed.

          • slackwarerobert

            Are they going after us who prefer to follow OSHA regs and not make lots of noise? I still hope to get my first one for my birthday this year. Not for the neighbors, but just for the joy of holder sh*tting his pants when the app goes over his desk. Problem is you can’t build it till you get the stamp, and can’t get a stamp till you know what you are building. No one has ever made one so I have to test and modify the design till I get what I want. Going to have to go see my batf goons early, sadly they might give holder a heads up at that point. A full auto pistol in 3-4mm with 50-75 rounds for sweeping weak side to keep holders people back while you drop the dangerous ones with your 45 is what I want, humping an m-60 and ammo belts 24/7 isn’t practical. I only need crowd control for 25 feet or so around me.

          • two_amber_lamps

            If it’s an AR you’re building, the measurements aren’t so difficult. Just make sure you include the length of the stock (since it will be longer than just the buffer tube and whatever flash hider you plan to use. Contact the mfgr of the barrel and hider and they should be able to help you.

            You do have a little play (keep it within 1/2 or less is better) and error on the short size (tell them it’s a little shorter than it really is). You CAN buy everything except the barrel without the stamp, so you can use all the rest of the parts to approximate the overall length.

            Yes, it is a PITA but worth it.

            PS. Don’t go much under 10.5 on a 5.56 unless you’re really wanting a PDW. Lot of unburned powder going out that barrel. Moreso I’d recommend the .300BLK. Wonderful intermediate cartridge.

            Good luck!

          • slackwarerobert

            No, it is the silencer for my gatling gun. And the problem is HEAT, I have to build one to find out how much area I need to keep it from melting, and can’t build one without the tax stamp. 120+ quiet rounds a minute is going to make lots of heat. I can use the spinning of barrels to use forced air through it to help some, but it means experimenting to get it right, and thanks to reagan I can’t experiment. No the lower is the only thing that is considered a gun by the thugs in washington and gets registered if you buy online or from dealer. I may not be able to own a machine gun, but it is the next best thing when they come over the rise and you see the whites of their eyes. When I cold roll my own steel barrel I will finally feel safe again. I’m getting there though. Should have my dies to stamp my own mags done by the time the press is finished this month. Going for 35 round banana so 3 together gets me over the 100 rounds, looking to fit them together instead of using tape for better integrity. Might even make a flip design as one unit eventually. CNC machines should be mandated for every american household, at least till the 3D printers get up to snuff.

        • slackwarerobert

          Oh, no. obamas white half is hiding in the light so we can’t see him.

      • slackwarerobert

        Reagan is the worst, you can’t make a decent useful machine gun. Glock makes a full auto pistol, but you can’t own one because of reagan.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      To bad that sort policy doesn’t actually reduce crime.

      It sure sounds good though!

      • guest

        Reduction in guns ownership reduces gun crime in our country. That’s a proven statistic.

        • slackwarerobert

          But in our country it will not apply to the cops, so they will continue with their crime sprees. Cops in this country are the biggest problem, and they have real assault weapons already. But I don’t mind not owning any guns as long as I can carry guns I don’t care who owns them.

  • $16179444

    I eagerly await when you shut down Planned Parenthood…after all if your actions only save one life

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      It is documented fact that young women die in legal, but under regulated abortion clinics, yet Planned Parenthood and the pro-abortion lobby stubbornly resist efforts to properly regulate the qualifications for abortion “providers”. They must be immune to the “if it would just save one life” argument.

    • two_amber_lamps

      Don’t hold your breath….

  • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

    Guess the quote:

    “With the right to bear arms comes a great responsibility to use
    caution and common sense on handgun purchases. And it’s just plain
    common sense that there be a waiting period to allow local
    law-enforcement officials to conduct background checks on those who wish
    to purchase handguns.”

    • two_amber_lamps

      “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized
      nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police
      more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” –
      Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany

      “Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them
      over to the local police authority. Firearms and ammunition found in a
      Jew’s possession will be forfeited to the government without
      compensation. Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions
      will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.” – Nazi Law (Regulations
      Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons), 1938

      Hey bob… when the guns get taken by the liberal fascist state, I hope you’re the first one stuffed in an oven…. but I’m sure you’d sell out and take the position of Kapo.

      • slackwarerobert

        And the police were more efficient. Heck they had you arrested, questioned, and shot before you even committed a crime some times. Other nations have and are following there example. And you were safer in the streets unless you were a jew, a freedom fighter, or at checkpoint guard, or standing near either of those. So at worst hitler was a modern day notrodamous. Don’t forget obama has already ordered the cattle cars and camps. I am not worried, because we also have the other amendment against taking property without just compensation, if a machine gun is legal and costs tens of thousand, an illegal assault weapon is worth hundreds of thousands. So bring your checkbook obama. If they outlaw guns, I will be a very famous outlaw. I don’t mess with henchmen, I deal with the boss.

    • slackwarerobert

      And who conducts the background check on the background checkers? What great insight does the mayor of atlanta’s driver have into the mental competence of a stranger he has never even met? For that matter where does it say if you have mental problems you have no constitutional rights? Don’t the mentally ill have the right to protect themselves from tyrants? What good is a waiting period when I already have 20 guns at home in my car and on me. I just wish theose gun stores in LA made the cops wait 10 days when they were getting their buts whiped by the bank robbers. Make criminals give a 15 day written notice to their victims, and once that is working out well we can discuss a 10 day wait on guns. That will still leave you 5 days to get protection.

  • SigFan

    I think that we need to ban liberalism. After all, how many innocent babies are murdered each year due to liberal’s love of abortion? How many innocent people died in Nazi Germany, Russia, China, Cambodia and damn near everywhere else liberals were able to institute their leftist policies? Liberalism is lethal – and if we can save just one life …

  • yy4u2

    And here I thought we were going to ban all democrats from ever being in politics. A lot of lives and money would be saved. Factual utopia apparently doesn’t trump liberal loo loo land.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    The Communist Reds banned gun’s and took over the soviet people. Obama’s mother, father, grand parents and Marshal Davis were communists. He spent his formative years learning from them. Why trust him?

    • awfulorv

      What if he were to take our guns and turn them over to his buddies, The Muslim Brotherhood, or his business associates, the Mexican Cartels?

      • slackwarerobert

        He would double HIS guards and stick you and me with the bill.

  • slackwarerobert

    You will save more than one life. For every would be murderer you shoot dead before he kills dozens, you also save a jail cell for other convicted criminals so keep locked up. So you are saving all those other crooks victims as well as killing the nut job.

    All from just removing the federal gun free zones. Then you remove the DC gun bans so citizens can be safe in the capital when they take their family, or go to see their representatives.
    Finally you repeal the reagan assault weapons ban and allow us to use modern materials and manufacturing to make a useful automatic pistol that isn’t so unwieldy to carry 24/7 to handle large crowds of thugs. An m-60 machine gun is not practical to carry around all the time with a belt of ammo. A small 3-4mm full auto pistol, with 50-75 rounds would be perfect for self defense when “holders people” are rampaging because zimmerman is set free for not committing any crime.

  • yy4u2

    So it’s ok if a lady chooses to take the life of her unborn (or partially born) but not ok for a lady to carry a tool that would help protect the lives of her and her students? Biden and the libs must be hanging out at crackhead Daley’s plantation.

  • Thresherman

    What is telling about Biden’s statement, is that you know he would never day that in regard to the media toning down their coverage of such tragedies or Hollywood in regard to curtailing the violence in movies. No, it only when we are talking about taking away the rights of law abiding gun owners is it then “reasonable” to justify it by the saving of just one life.

    But this goes to exemplify a larger point, not a single thing that liberals put forth in this debate as “reasonable” withstands the slightest scrutiny. They ignore the role of guns as defensive weapons. I wonder if Bob and the rest of the liberal peanut gallery realize that if they get there way, thousands of women will be assaulted, raped and murdered as a direct result of this? Do they not realize that if they believe that NRA members have blood on their hands from Sandy Hook, that theirs will then be drenched with it if they get there way? I doubt it, because in reality, so much of what they say or claim is little more than jingoism rather than reasoned opinions.

  • slackwarerobert

    ld settle for making it 100%, no special armed guards for you either obama, let your kids hide in the closet. your SS goons can only carry outside the US, while here you wait for the cops like anyone else. And no cops with more than 10 rounds or removable mags, those are military weapons only needed by the military.

  • awfulorv

    Why not have a bucket of fine sand mounted over the doors of each classroom, Marx brothers style? These buckets would tip on any unwelcome visitor and make their weapons, if they were carrying them, inoperable, due to sand disabling critical parts of their firearms. Of course an Obama crony would be given the contract for the devices, which would insure campaign funds for the Democrats. The teachers, and administrators, would swoon over the Rube Goldishness, and impracticality, of the project, and PETA would get on board, if they were assured no ants, or cockroaches, would be smothered by the sand.

  • slackwarerobert

    I guess Biden will now be walking everywhere, his limos have killed two people so far.

  • whowon

    Planned Parenthood’s latest report says the group received $542 million in taxpayer funding, nearly half of the group’s revenue. The group performed nearly 334,000 abortions in the last fiscal year. Remember when Dems said our tax dollars were not used? Joe?

    • $8194357

      Liberal liars…
      but I repeat myself………..

  • slackwarerobert

    Did biden run this by his boss first? They way he says it, since obama orders people murdered all the time killing obama would stop the death of dozens if not hundreds so is justified.

  • ‘Tom Crawford

    This whole firestorm of “debate” on gun control is something I don’t understand. Don’t people realize that the CT shooting the person killed the owner (his mother) and stole the guns. The gun controls / laws worked as he tried to get a gun before and was refused. He was a criminal and criminals will go around the laws. How will enacting MORE laws / gun control be more effective? All it will do is limit / take away the guns and defense of the law-abiding citizens and empower the criminals.

    Laws are for law-abiding citizens, simply put, it is a way to limit and control the law-abiding citizen – where as the criminals don’t follow the laws…the “gun control”. Limiting the law-abiding citizens right to protect themselves will get them killed, because the only ones with guns after the government takes them away from the law-abiding citizens will be the criminals.

    • slackwarerobert

      The laws in that state caused her murder. They don’t allow you to carry the weapon with you so it can be used to stop a murderer. He couldn’t kill her and take the gun if she was armed and shot him when he attempted it. A gun in a safe or another room is not useful. A claymore on each edge of the bed would have cut him down from any direction he chose to attack from. In the doors of cars would stop any car jacker. But we can’t have defensive weapons that work.

  • awfulorv

    Lest the hand wringing Liberal anti-gun nuts forget, Anders Breivik knew he was entering a gun free zone when he stepped onto Utoya Island in 2011. And had there been one marksman, proficient in the use of his weapon, on the entire island, I doubt Anders would have offed more than two, or three, it takes a bit of hunting to kill seventy five, victims before he, himself, would have, with a well placed round, been transported to his very own Valhalla.

    • slackwarerobert

      And he had an assault weapon and realized he was wasting bullets that could be used to kill people so switched it to semi. Even killers realize that an assault weapons is not useful unless you have a lot of others laying down fire with you. Or you are laying down suppressive fire to stop someone else.
      And that is why I need an assault weapon. When zimmerman is found not guilty this year, anyone with holders people around will need them.

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