If You Have A Lot Of Groceries You Might Be A Terrorist

During the floor debate over a defense re-authorization bill that contained a provision extending the battlefield in the war on terror to the American homeland, and thus the government’s authority to treat American citizens like enemy combatants, Senator Rand Paul ran through some of the criteria the government uses to determine who might be a terrorist.

Provisions like…having guns. Having more than seven days of groceries. Missing fingers on your hands.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong necessarily wrong with the government finding a certain things like stockpiling weapons, etc. to be suspicious activity. But in civilian courts, the government must prove that such suspicious are evidence of an actual crime and they must prove that beyond a reasonable doubt in an environment where the defendant is entitled to certain rights.

The problem is when the government re-defines the environment to be a battlefield, and re-defines the defendant as an enemy combatant, and suddenly things like standards of evidence, due process and the concept of innocence until guilt is proven disappear.

We all want the government to find and stop terrorists. But we also know that the government tends to abuse its power, and shouldn’t get carte blanche in pursuit of that goal.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    It’s funny how Fox News calls Republicans and Democrats “big government” when the politicians make policy based on Bush’s policy.  They isolate McCain and Graham because that’s tolerable to demonize what they refer to as “RINO’s”.

    What a joke!  They should have called out Bush, the guy that set this policy.

    • badlands4

      Yes, they should. This has been a TERRIBLE thing from the start and it just continues to get worse and worse. Bad then, bad now. (I am talking about the Patriot Act. I assume you are speaking about the same thing)

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        That’s correct badlands, I am not a proponent of the Patriot act under any administration.

        Fox and it’s talking heads sure supported it under Bush.

        • Hal398

          Little fella,

          You are wrong again, as usual.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Sorry, shorty.  I got it right….you are in denial:

            As always, shorty, you are very wrong:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf2A82c8q_k

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q1_zAVC3lw

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvBh6ErRrno 

            You have been proven wrong, I look forward to your apology.

          • Hal398

            Little fella, you are wrong again.  Show some video of Glenn Beck or Judge Napolitano supporting the Patriot Act. Both were very vocal in their opposition.

          • Sgray77us2002

            Hmmm…unfortunately Glenn beck is not what they call a Politician…meaning he does not set policy…he is a mouth piece for media…but his show had an editorial format and came with the disclaimer that it was not the endorsed view of the station. Whether Fox news endorsed the patriot act or not is a moot point. Policy is set by the policy makers…we vote them into the office…and then we lose the vote and they gain it. The time to complain about the media spin on things is election time…that is when it could actually make a difference. Tell people to research their candidates and actually vote in the primaries…and we may avoid bills like the patriot act or the national defense authorization act…by not voting in people with a taste for fascism.

          • Hal398

            “Fox and it’s talking heads sure supported it”
            This is what the little fella, Hanni was talking about.  If you want to talk about people who set policy, I can do that too.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            He thinks you’re not so smart too, lil guy.

          • Hal398

            He is very confused by your inconsistencies.

          • 2hotel9

            More gay porn links from trannitized/game/Dr/bloggerman1000/joesixpack/willhunt/dms/anthill/reverendyo.

            You have to understand, Hal, tranni is a staunch defender of Muslim terrorists and has nothing but hatred for America. Period. Full stop.

      • Suzannegocke

        Does all this matter??  One bad policy or politician doesn’t justify another!  Obama is insane and has much disdain for this country and all of these politicians have been so corrupt for so long, they don’t even know how evil and insane they really are and don’t care to see it!  Governments should never be trusted, they’ve brainwashed people to believe that the only time they have a voice is on election day, when that is the time to say nothing and vote, you should be voicing your opinions the other 364 days.

    • Hal398

      Many FOX hosts did call out Bush and his policies.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Not on the Patriot Act…they supported it and hailed it.

        • Hal398

          As usual, you are wrong again.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            As always, shorty, you are very wrong:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf2A82c8q_k

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q1_zAVC3lw

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvBh6ErRrno

            You have been proven wrong. I look forward to your apology.

          • Hal398

            Little fella, you are wrong again.  Show some video of Glenn Beck or
            Judge Napolitano supporting the Patriot Act. Both were very vocal in
            their opposition. 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Hey liar, I mean shorty, Glenn Beck wasn’t on Fox News when Bush was president and running wild with the Patriot act.  So how am I supposed to show you support from Beck, while on Fox, when he wasn’t on Fox News? That’s a nice trick, but I am not as stupid as you are to fall for it.

            Glenn Beck only opposed it, later, because he tried to hang it around Liberals necks. You know, the propaganda and lies strategy Fox is so apt at delivering to it’s kooky, misinformed audience.

            He joined Fox in late Oct., or Nov…just days before Obama won the election. Show me one video when Bush was President where he opposed Bush for the Patriot Act while at Fox. Go for it.

          • Kyle

            To make your greeting of “hey shorty” valid, you shouldn’t be looking up when you say it. You calling someone else a liar is classic, for a tax cheat and someone who claims to have bought a house, but no deed is recorded. You chump.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Sorry, stalker, but I can’t help it if you can’t stalk correctly?  And when I try to correct the lies of the SAB personal attacks I get accused of bragging.  Maybe if you were smarter you would realize just how stupid you are?  Sadly, I can’t fix everything.

          • Kyle

            Sadly, you are truly pathetic, and a fraud.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You’re a sock puppet, which is fraudulent outright.  Second, you are poorly informed.

            That’s not sad so much as it is pathetic.

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            Hanni: “You’re a sock puppet, which is fraudulent outright. ”
            Too funny coming from you, puppeteer!
            http://oi40.tinypic.com/qywx36.jpg 

          • Kyle

            You, Larry, Edd, Joe,Guest, Willhunt, Bloggerman et al calling someone else a sockpuppet is classic mental illness.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What ever, you are still a sock puppet!

          • Kyle

            ” What ever, you are still a sock puppet!Says the queen of puppetry

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Says the king of sockpuppets.  What, this is like your 4th sockpuppet?  You have to be mentally ill to call anyone else a sockpuppet.  See, it’s not hard to be as stupid as you are.

          • Hal398

            Little fella Hanni,
            “Not on the Patriot Act…they supported it and hailed it” is what you said, you never detailed a time-frame.  Also, I see you conveniently ignored my other example, Judge Napolitano.  You are still wrong, as usual.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Sorry, lil guy, but I did:

            “Fox and it’s talking heads sure supported it under Bush.” – Me, before you challenged my statement

          • Hal398

            Again, you are wrong and have ignored my example of Judge Napolitano and his opposition. He meets the requirements of your reduced time frame.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So you were wrong when you said I didn’t detail a time frame and now you are wrong by claiming Napolitano is a Fox News reporter or talking head.  He’s a guest.

    • Jeffrockit

      Bush has been out of office for 3 years. Perhaps you should call out the person that is continuing his bad policies. Obama has done exactly that in many cases and even added to what Bush started. Obama has increased the deficit more than the 1st 41 presidents combined.

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Bush wanted to spy on Americans, Obama searches them going through the airport.  I think it’s funny how conservatives didn’t mind the violation of our rights when Bush was doing it but pretend a inconvenient safety measure, like the TSA searching you, is unconstitutional, or something.

        • Alan

          Bush wanted to uncover terror plots against the country. Why would you object to that? It’s very obvious that you, like Obama hate America. Why do hate the country so much?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The TSA wants to keep the skies safe, why would you object to that?

            Bush’s policies violated our civil rights, the TSA is an inconvenience.

          • Alan

            Please tell which of your civil rights were violated and how you were damaged by Bush’s policies.

          • Alan

            Well, answer the question.
            Please tell which of your civil rights were violated and how you were damaged by Bush’s policies.

          • Demosthenes

            Illegal search and seizure comes to mind and I spend all of 3secs thinking on that remark.

          • Alan

            When was your home searched and what was seized?

          • Demosthenes

            Alan, you need to step back. Are you saying that just because I refuse search I am in fact guilty?!?!

            Patriot Act usurps the 4th, you do know this right?

          • Alan

            When was your home searched? If law enforcement came to your house with a warrant, you couldn’t refuse. Your civil rights have not been violated and you have not been damaged by the Patriot Act. The only people who should fear the Patriot Act, and do, are the bad guys.

          • Demosthenes

            “The only people who should fear the Patriot Act, and do, are the bad guys.”

            You have proof of this?

          • Onslaught1066

            Yes.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            The first amendment, the 4th amendment.  Not that you care or are honest about the patriot act authorizes the “sneak and peek” tactic and not tell you about it for 18 months.

          • Alan

            What are you doing or saying that would trigger the government to “sneak and peek” into your life? The sneak and peak tactics that you talk about has to be triggered by something. Are you an enemy sympathizer that should be watched and listened to?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You lost.

            Prior to the PATRIOT Act, the Fourth Amendment protected Americans against unreasonable searches and seizures and requires the government to both obtain a warrant and to give notice to the person whose property is to be searched prior to conducting the search. The notice requirement allowed a property owner to assert his or her rights under the Fourth Amendment.

          • Alan

            No one has lost. Please tell which of your civil rights have been violated and how you have been damaged by the Patriot Act.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You lost and are asking to try again.  Fail!

          • Alan

            I’ve lost nothing. Your civil rights have not been violated and you were never damaged by the Patriot Act.

          • Hal398

            You don’t know what you are talking about again.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No American should lose their constitutional rights.  You lost.

            Thanks for playing.

          • Alan

            No one has lost their rights.

          • Hal398

            The Fourth Ammendment protects American Citizens, not terrorists overseas.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Sneak and Peek occurs in America, against Americans and it’s unconstitutional.

          • Demosthenes

            Assumption # 1: Hanni is guilty of something
            Assumption # 2: Because Assumption #1 the government has the right to a sneak and peak ?

            No, what you just said proves you believe the 4th needs to be protected.

            “The sneak and peak tactics that you talk about has to be triggered by something.”

            That trigger?!?! and something?!??! are called a Warrant to Search.

          • Alan

            Sorry, but no. The warrant is the result of the “trigger.” Again, which of your civil rights has been violated and how were you damaged by the Patriot Act?

          • Alan

            You should step away from this thread. You’re proving yourself to be nothing but a parrot who repeats talking points.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So in your deluded world when someone answers a question with facts you deem them “talking points” and dismiss the facts without having to explain away their relevance?

            Here’s a tip for you, in case you didn’t know:  You lost.

            Thanks for playing.

          • Alan

            Which of your civil rights has been violated and how were you damaged by the Patriot Act?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So it’s OK to disregard the constitution as long as you, personally, aren’t affected?

          • Alan

            The only ones affected would be the bad guys. How has the Patriot Act affected you personally? When were you notified that through the Patriot Act that your phone, your mail or you have been surveilled?notified

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You lost.  It’s never OK to take away Americans constitutional rights because you suspect them of something you haven’t proved.

          • Hal398

            You have confused William with the facts.  He doesn’t even know who is protected by the US Constitution.

          • Alan

            “You lost.  It’s never OK to take away Americans constitutional rights
            because you suspect them of something you haven’t proved.”
            No one has had their rights taken away. I do find it amusing that you praise Obama for uncovering and stopping acts of terror here at home, but you condemn the Patriot Act that he’s using to do so. I enjoyed our banter today, but I need to go. Enjoy the rest of your day.

          • Demosthenes

            You prove to have no idea what you are talking about.

          • Alan

            And since none of your civil rights have been violated, and you have not been damaged by the Patriot Act, you’re just parroting talking points.

          • Alan

            “the “sneak and peek” tactic and not tell you about it for 18 months.”

            When were you notified?

  • SigFan

    Whew – that was close.  I still have all my fingers.

    BTW – who let you into my storage room for that picture?  You didn’t get into my gun safe did you?

    What about people that are collectors/dealers in firearms?  I have friends that own literally hundreds of firearms at a time, buying and selling at shows, or simply collecting as investments.  And people that live in rural areas that stock up for weeks at a time due to stores not being readily available.  Or people who buy bulk at places like Costco or Sam’s club?  Too many ways for the government to twist this stuff and abuse it IMO.

    • $8194357

      Anyone of us North Dakotans fill this criteria. Most of us own numerous firearms and keep several weeks grocieries in the house because of winter weather or power outages..Throw in our “patriotism” and believe in Constituional limited Government and 80% of us would need to go to FEMA re-education camps…I love my country. It’s mis-use of the government I fear…

      • SigFan

        Same here in Western PA, though we certainly don’t get the heavy-duty winters you do.  My wife and I buy a lot of groceries in bulk and then bag and freeze it – saves a lot of time and money.  Plus we keep a long-term food store for emergencies and several thousand rounds for numerous firearms since we do a lot of target and practice shooting.  If that’s all it takes for the government to identify someone as a terrorist there are a bunch of us in trouble.

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          Sig, it’s the kind of food you store.
          Two weeks of MREs = Timothy McVeigh/ David Koresh.
          Two weeks of Ho-Hos and Twinkies = Michael Moore/ Rosie O’Donnell

          • Conman2U

            Unfortunately it isn’t worded that way though.

          • SigFan

            Two weeks of Kobe’ beef and Cristal = Moochelle and Obummer

      • kringlebertfistyebuns

        Ah yes…North Dakota.  The most socialist state in the Union.  REAL socialist, not the ignorant broad-brush epithet Republicans try to tar Democrats with.

        • $8194357

          Yeah..In the thirties the socialists and communist from the non-partisian leaque disbanded and infiltrated into both the Democrat and Republican parties…Can’t tell em apart except for the Republicans want to run everything more efficently most of the times while the Democrats just want to sell their souls to run everything..stuck between the lesser of two evils 99% of the time.

  • Jamermorrow

    People are figuring out that inflation is getting worse especially when it comes to food prices. Investing in food gives you better returns than the stock market, gold, housing, or anything else. Food prices went up 35% last year and 40% this year. That is a better return than just about anything.

  • Sp

    Firearms, groceries, and missing fingers?  Bwa ha ha ha.

    The next pogroms are going to be so brutal.

    God help this country.

    • 2hotel9

      Your the one who wants pogroms against American citizens, sparkie, you are the socialist on this blog.

      • Sp

        Socialists don’t want pogroms.  Ask a Canadian if they favor pogroms.  Or someone in the military, our premier socialized organization.

        • 2hotel9

          Yes, sparkie, you and all socialists call for pogroms, you have specifically called for them against American Citizens, repeatedly. So spew your sh*t, c*nt, and lie some more, it is all you America hating Democrat c*cksuckers have.

    • Onslaught1066

      Hey, Butfuckle, don’t you terrorists usually blow yourselves up?

      Wouldn’t this sort of tend to alleviate your need for sustenance?

      I mean I could understand worrying about lefturds who stockpile tubes of modeling glue, but not such things as food, ammunition, airplane landing instructions…

      BTW how’s the little woman? have you laid out salt to prevent “accidental” slippage on the ice?

  • Tim Heise

    http://www.beprepared.com
    http://lds.org/family/family-well-being/home-storage?lang=eng

    We’re trying to get to a 3 month supply of food etc. Not there yet.

    • $8194357

      Being prepared might make you “suspect” Tim..I think it is a good idea after watching the Feds and state response to Katrina. We all will be asking, “Where’s my goverment,wheres my goverment.” if we don’t pre-pare to take care of ourselves.

  • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

    the only opposition I see to this ridiculous provision seems to be coming from the right.  I can’t imagine that the left isn’t worried about this but are they?

  • mikemc1970

    I can see other provisions being added like, self reliance, hard working, and mistrust of government officials.

  • 2hotel9

    We have always kept several months of food on hand, own multiple firearms, large amounts of ammunition and reloading supplies and I was trained by a military organization and swore an oath to protect America, American Citizens, and the Constitution of the United States.

    All these things, according to DoJ and the Democrats/Progressives, make me the enemy. Imagine that. Not Muslim terrorists or drug cartel members. No, they are, according to DoJ and Democrats/Progressives, the downtrodden victims. American Citizens are the enemy, according to DoJ and Democrats/Progressives.

    Think about that for awhile.

    • Demosthenes

      “military organization” WTH is that?

  • Douglas Krell

    When the facists are in charge, anything is possible.
    During the French Revolution, the guillotines never stopped until Robspierre himself lost his head.
    Before it’s all over, you’ll be a terrorist for just about any reason at all.

  • Spartacus

    Having more than seven days of groceries.

    This is typical of clueless urbanites, which are generally of the liberal persuasion. These people have never lived anywhere that wasn’t within walking distance of a grocery store or quick mart. Strand a pack of them in rural America in the middle of winter and they’d relive the last days of the Donner party.

    • 2hotel9

      They are the kind of idiots that buy a single 4 pack of toilet paper and call themselves “prepared”.

      • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

        Big Roll?  

        • $8194357

          Double soft.

        • 2hotel9

          Oh, no! Single ply, recycled, anything else would be ostentatiously pretentious.

    • Skeptic

      Isn’t this exactly what Glenn Beck advocates?  Is he of “the liberal persuasion?”

      • Spartacus

        I’m not sure what you mean. Are you trying to say Glenn Beck advocates that those in possession of more than 7 days worth of groceries are potential terrorists or you have severe difficulties with reading comprehension?

        • $8194357

          Looks like the latter to me .

    • SquashFarm

      Rand Paul (the guy doing all the talking in the video above) is of “liberal persuasion?” 

  • Jack Daniels

    This from a regime that’s put more people on food stamps than any president since FDR?  Almost every farm family I’ve ever known would fit the bill.  Missing fingers – check.  Guns – check.  Several month’s worth of groceries on hand – check.

  • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

    I just looked on Ready.gov.  It seems they now say that you should have at least 3 days on hand.

    Didn’t they say a week or two (hardly adequate) in the past?

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    Conservatives are big fans of profiling, until they are the ones fitting the profile.  Ridiculous.

    • Hal398

      Little fella,

      It’s not profiling and this type of activity would encompass people of most political persuasions.  As usual, you are wrong again.  

      • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

        Shorty, you didn’t quite grasp the point.  Democrats always object to profiling, Conservatives support it until they are the ones being profiled.

        Do you want me to write it in Crayon?

        • Tim Heise

          Can you write in crayon on the computer?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            There’s an app for everything, or I could simply attach a PDF. 

            Is that what you require? What else you got, smarty?

          • Hal398

            When he can afford to pay his taxes he does it in crayon.

        • Hal398

          Little fella, your point is a false one.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Please explain, if you have the courage to expose your stupidity.

        • nwjohnson

          ” Democrats always object to profiling,”
          Reconcile this statement with the fact that the Democrats are the ones doing the profiling.
          Seems to me that if they were so opposed to it, they wouldn’t do it.
          But then, I’ve not made a study of the Liberal thought process – assuming that one exists – so I’m not in a position say that, by Liberal standards,  it’s not logical.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I think you know the answer to that question.  The best way to make a fool understand the consequences of using profiling as a tactic is to correctly use it against them…..because those who most promote profiling never assume it could be used against them.  Guess why!

          • Onslaught1066

            And there you have it, the liberal thought process in all its ignorant glory:

            Hanniturd says “The best way to make a fool understand the consequences of using profiling as a tactic is to correctly use it against them”

            That is why all democrats and Hanniturd in particular are the biggest racists around, they exhibit their racist tenancies so as to show us how bad it is to be a racist.

            They are the biggest crooks, the most perverted pedophiles, the most out of control druggies, and the most absolute totalitarians all in an effort to show us how bad all that is.

            It’s called leading by example. (but always a bad example)

        • Stacy

          “Democrats always object to profiling,”

          That would explain how 19 terrorists were able to board planes on 9/11.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I’m sorry, were you trying to make sense?  Bush was president on 9/11, not that you made any rational point.

          • Stacy

            Just because you missed the point, doesn’t make it irrational. It just shows dumb you are.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            “It just shows dumb you are.”

            Please!

            Open mouth, insert foot….it’s the conservative way.

          • Stacy

            Bad time of the month for me. But I have a used tampon that you’d enjoy sucking on.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Is this your idea of being a conservative lady?

          • Hal398

            I’ll bet you that Stacy is smart enough to pay her bills on time.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            She’s smart enough to open mouth and insert foot, but that’s about it.

          • Stacy

            I’m sure everyone knows what you put in your mouth.

          • Stacy

            It’s my idea of dealing with someone on their own level. I’m much more of  lady than you are a man. And who ever said I was a conservative?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            No, you really are not.

          • Stacy

            Yes, I really am.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I did.  I can tell by the foul personality.

          • Stacy

            You’re very, very good at being wrong.

          • Hal398

            Little fella Hanni,

            Bush had been President for 9 months.  As you liberals would say, “he inherited the problem from the previous administration”. 

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Lil guy, Bush ignored the plan to get OBL and the warning AQ would strike:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrgeuLb3dQ

            Condi lied, people died.

          • Hal398

            Bush ignored the plan?  He was in custody and Clinton didn’t want him so they let him go, that is why he fled to Afganistan.  Remember that is where Clinton sent a few Tomahawks after another of Bin Laden’s attacks.  There was no plan to go into Afganistan to get him, you are wrong, as usual. 

          • Guest

            That’s one of hann’s favorite little pieces of bullshit to copy and paste from his library of make believe.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession
          • Brad

            Is that the same plan that didn’t work for Clinton?

          • $8194357

            Clinton could have got him but he was occupied with his human cigar humidor.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s the plan Clinton’s terrorist czar handed to Bush, that Bush ignored until after 9/11, then used to successfully remove the Taliban from Afghanistan, but Bush didn’t finish the job because there were “better targets” in Iraq and Rummy told him what to do anyway.

            Clinton couldn’t use the plan because Republicans wanted to focus on his penis.

          • Brad

            The only ones focused on Bill’s dick are you and Monica. Maybe not so much Monica anymore, but you, definitely.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            It’s the truth, the conservatives were out to learn about what Bill’s penis was doing and when and learning it’s shape and details in order to prosecute him.

          • ellinas1

            You lie. Newt Gingrich was focused on Bills dick.

          • Hal398

            No, the focus was on perjury and obstruction.  You are for the rule of law aren’t you?

  • JackButler

    I must come from a long line of terrorists.  My parents and grandparents canned just about everything they could.  They probably had about a years supply of food.  “Eat what you can, can what you can’t.”  Missing fingers check, drive belts and augers were even more dangerous before safety shields.  Ammo,  they hunted and reloaded, so there was always a large supply in the house. 

    • $8194357

      When Napolitano was first put in charge of Homeland Security she changed the Mission Statement from Islamic jihadist terrorists to “domestic terroriosts” and put ex- military folks who swore to defend the Constituion, Tea Party Constituionalists, Folks with Dont Tread on Me bumper stickers and “maybe even” the bumper stickers that said Barrys name spelled out One Big Ass Mistake America (sarc). Anyway Constituional Patriotic Conservitive Americans are in these communist crosshairs for Federal intimidations for sure..They “NEED” folks dependent on government to keep control.

    • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

      Yeah. I used to cut firewood with a buzz saw attachment to a Ford 9N tractor. There was virtually no guard on the three foot diameter blade. OSHA would have had a cow.
      (Or we could have sold them one of ours!)

      • $8194357

        Sold em one hell, they would have confiscated it as being one of the kings cows..

        • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

          Not quite that old. We had presidents by then. Sure did like that Andy Jackson fella!

          • $8194357

            Didn’t he make some kind of trip to New Orleans in 1814 or some such agressive posturering that would have gotten him accused of trying to make money for that days version of Haliburton?  (attempt at humor for you libs)

          • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ Proof

            The British were like Obama supporters: “There wasn’t nigh as many as there was a while ago!”

  • badlands4

    Several months of food stocked up. Check
    Guns, ammo and bows because my “boys” hunt . Check
    Veteran. Check
    Gasoline storage system. Check
    Water. Kind of check. definitely something need to work on for future issues.

    We do, however, have all our arms, legs, fingers and toes ;)

    My dh stocks up on ammo in case the price rapidly rises.
    We have months of food because I do all the shopping and inflation IS here, and here to stay regardless what the Federal Reserve says or how they count it.

    If you live in a place like ND and you do not have a decent supply of food put up for any possible weather issues, you are a fool. We had a winter storm in the spring that knocked out power for several days. The new people here to work in the oil fields didn’t quite understand the need to prepare for winter and so they had a hard time w/no food or gas that first day and limited services after that until power came back in town.

     We were one of the last to get our power back, so it was only the fact we are prepared for all things ND throws at you we had two generators to power the fridge/freezer , space heaters and our dish on the tv allowing us to keep up with the information. Our computer was powered up during the day so I was able to follow the power company tweets about the status of the repairs. I cannot imagine how miserable we would have been w/o those things. The mayor and the sheriff’s department pretty much said(I don’t remember the exact words) you needed to take care of yourself and your neighbors as they were so focused on other things.

    Regardless of the reasons behind the Katrina aftermath, I don’t want to be that Katrina victim sitting on my roof or sitting in some horrible place with no food, water or medicine.

  • Conman2U

    Isn’t it a law similar to this that made the Nazi’s so powerful? http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi_police_state.htm

    • $8194357

      The homeland is in the process of being declared a war zone. Enemies of the progressive communist one worlders state have already been identified since Napolitano declared “domestic terrorists” of any one with a don’t tread on me bumber sticker, excessive talking about the Constituion, Tea Party affilations and or NRA membership…I think we are just about done with the “Planning stage” don’t you? 

      And the left screamed bloody murder when the Republicans were in power blaming them for what they were going to do all along…

      Barry’s civilian police force funded as well or better than the military?

      From your link..
       
      Quote:
       Children’s loyalty could be developed with a policy of indoctrination via education and the Hitler Youth movement. Time and planning spent in these areas would bring a suitable reward for Hitler. 
      Adults were a different proposition. Some adults clearly supported Hitler – as the March 1933 election showed. But the same election clearly showed that a substantial number of Germans did not support Hitler and the Nazis. These people were likely to be a constant thorn for Hitler unless they were dealt with. For these people, the Nazis developed a policy of intimidation. Fear became a by-word for those who did not support Hitler. The wrong comment overheard by a Nazi official could have very serious consequences.
      Hitler’s police state worked on the rule that if you said nothing, no harm, could come to you. If you had doubts about the way the country was going, you kept them to yourself – or paid the price. As nearly 17 million people had not voted for either the Nazis or the Nationalist in March 1933, a large and visible police force was required to keep this sizeable group under observation and control.
      In Nazi Germany the police were allowed to arrest people on suspicion that they were about to do wrong. This gave the police huge powers. All local police units had to draw up a list of people in their locality who might be suspected of being “Enemies of the State”. This list was given to the Gestapo – the Secret Police. The Gestapo had the power to do as it liked. Its leader – Reinhard Heydrich – was one of the most feared man in Nazi Germany. His immediate chief was Heinrich Himmler. Both men ran their respective branches with ruthless efficiency.

      http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi_police_state.htm

  • dirka dirka

    Rest easy all you terrorists on here. Our freindly Government just gave the OK to KBR, you know Bush’s buddies and accomplices, to start manning the FEMA Camps that were built for you all and us of course. Mind you manners now, Big Brother is watching more than you can even imagine.

  • $8194357

    Yogi Bera :
    It’s like deja vu all over again.

    This administration is “nationalizing” America at un-precidented pace. I have seen the pre-war Germany similarities for along time. Facism comes from large and in charge central planning socialism almost every time IMO..
     
    LIES: Analysis of Obama’s ‘New Nationalism’ Speech
    Posted on December 8, 2011 by Conservative Byte

    President Barack Obama has gone on record numerous times denying the innovation and success of the free market. During Wednesday’s episode of the Glenn Beck Program on GBTV, Glenn noted that while at the Fox News network, he was advised to never call the president a “liar” under any circumstances. The logic being that the public would prefer to hear that the president “misspoke” rather than believing he could lie.Well, tonight, on his own network, Glenn did just that — call Obama a liar — and he backed up the assertion with historical facts and figures.Airing a clip in which the president repeatedly tells an audience, and the greater American public, that capitalism has “never worked” — not in 1920′s, the 1950‘s and 60’s, nor in the 1980′s — Glenn took major issue with Obama’s “fairy tales about history” and proved the president wrong by pointing to the historical instances that made each of those decades Obama smeared as a “failure of the free market,” an actual success.Citing presidents Calvin Coolidge and Warren Harding‘s efforts to undo the Depression caused by Woodrow Wilson’s progressive policies as a launchpad, Glenn explained how tax cuts and dramatic reduction in the size of government implemented post-Wilson, gave way to the auto-industry boom of the 1920′s.

  • 2hotel9

    Demosthenes?  We are all still waiting for trannitized/game/Dr/bloggerman1000/joesixpack/willhunt/dms/anthill to post the list of the thousands upon thousands of innocent Americans persecuted by the Bush Admin using the Patriot Act. Wonder why it refuses to post that information it screeched for 3 years it had?

  • Helenevans72

    I know people that have more than 7 days worth of groceries because they shop using coupons and stock up on good deals.How in the world could that make them a terrorist?If you are missing a,or some fingers on one or both hands it could be from an accident or birth defect.This makes no sense at all.It sounds like the government it getting paranoid or some of the people in it are.CHILL THE HECK OUT!!!!!

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