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Holy Cow… So if I tap my foot in a public bathroom I could end up with an overly-friendly dude talking to me about getting naked?  Good to know…....

Memo to self:  Sit still while on the pot…

ewwwww:

Um, the only reason why a person should be charged with lewd conduct is if they did it in a public place.  So if the “game” is to tap your foot until someone joins you in your stall in the bathroom at the airport then that’s a legitimate thing for the police to handle.

On the other hand if toe tapping is a way to identify eachother so you can go out on a date that’s nobody’s business.

Considering that this is an airport you could assume that this was something to do during a layover.

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It’s not like no one had a clue
2006

A hypocritical senator’s closet bit the dust today
Tuesday, October 17, 2006

Another senator who sleeps with men yet casts votes for legislation that discriminates against LGBT citizens has been revealed, courtesy of Mike Rogers. He reported it on The Ed Schultz Show today.

Who is it?

Idaho’s Larry Craig.

Craig on the issues:

* Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
* Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
* Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

Not everyone Surprised

At least he votes for what’s right if he falls short in his personal life.

Because all of those are bad public policy.

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correction voting to protect marriage is good policy and where he voted no is bad policy.

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WOW.. I would definitely recommend peeing your pants instead of tapping ones foot like some do to hold off the urge.
I also don’t understand how this can warrant a charge when nothing was said or any money or any act was done for that manner. Dang.. if this is occurring on such numerous accounts why not catch the lewd behavior in action and actually get two perps at once?

You do it, I don’t want to catch nobody doing nothing.

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Looks like another open seat in the Senate restroom.

  Idaho United States Senate election, 2008

In Idaho, Senator Larry Craig has not indicated if he will run for a fourth term.

* Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
* Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
* Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

The only two of those I have a problem with are the “yes” votes for banning gay marriage.

Marriage is a state’s rights issue.

Also, poodle, I’d like to know why Mike Rogers and Ed Schultz think it’s ok to violate the privacy of gay men.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Is that an Idaho potato in your pocket

or are you happy to see me?

Politicians who have homosexual encounters and vote against gay
issues are news.

Sex outside of marriage is news when a public figure is involved.

If you want privacy have sex alone.

Whistler writes:

On the other hand if toe tapping is a way to identify eachother so you can go out on a date that’s nobody’s business.

I don’t know about you Whistler, but I’ve never gotten a “date” by tapping my foot in a women’s bathroom. 

Is this the new way to get dates?  Why haven’t we heard about this new technique?  It wasn’t in Glamour or Cosmopolitan mags or GQ.  Hmmm…..

Is that an Idaho potato in your pocket

or are you happy to see me?

Glad to see the resident lefties are handling this with maturity and tact.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

HA!...

I don’t know about you Whistler, but I’ve never gotten a “date” by tapping my foot in a women’s bathroom.

Hey, it takes all types Puzzled.

And I thought we conservatives were supposed to be the prudes.

Of course, picking up dates in bathrooms isn’t exactly the sort of behavior I like to see in a Senator.  And his cheating on his wife is unacceptable.

Politicians who have homosexual encounters and vote against gay
issues are news.

Right.  Because you can’t be gay if you don’t adhere to liberal dogma on gay rights issues.

How tolerant of you, Poodle.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

There are going to be lots of Jokes.
You should have heard what they said about Marie Antoinette.
I did post a Clinton joke above.

A Reagan joke he had to apologize for:

“How do you tell the Polish one at a cockfight?” “He’s the one with the duck.” “How do you tell the Italian?” “He bet on the duck.” “How do you know the Mafia is there?” “The duck wins.”

You do it, I don’t want to catch nobody doing nothing.

LOL, you know what I mean!
Let Pilgrim catch ‘em

Hey, crack jokes all you want.  I’m all for laughing at politicians on a bi-partisan basis.

But Mike Rogers isn’t joking around, and neither are you when you expect all gay men to adhere to liberal dogma.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

The problem is that this guy doesn’t think he can be who he is and still be a senator without meeting guys in a bathroom in an airport. Sad actually.

1. Innocent until proven guilty.
2. I have zero doubt that this was a setup.

Think of Vitter on the DC Madam’s list. Vitter could not prove it wasn’t him. He didn’t admit guilt but he couldn’t prove a negative so he acted like he’d done it.
Bob Allen same thing, some idle chatter gets mistaken and all of a sudden the media catches it and smells blood in the water, and so he has to act like he’d done it.
Craig will get railroaded by a dishonest cop’s testimony. It was more than foot tapping if you read it, and I think every word of it is invention in a cop’s part. And you know what? In the end, Craig is going to be forced to say he did it when he probably didn’t.

It’s sad and the fact that this stuff happens like clockwork is only proof that people will do ANYTHING to bring down members of our party wherever and whenever they can.

1. Innocent until proven guilty.

Craig pled guilty.

Hmm…Rob, are you reprimanding me?

I’m waiting for Robin’s retraction.  But I do have to say that I wouldn’t want to get caught tapping my foot in a bathroom cuz I don’t want anyone thinking I’m a republican. Ha! (stolen from somewhere a bit ago.) Couldn’t resist/snark/

And since he’s a Republican, this will be big news.

That’s the only reason it’s gonna be big news? If Joe Biden were arranging for sexual encounters with male undercover police officers in public restrooms… we wouldn’t hear about it? You can’t see an angle in there for a story?

I’m watching a story on a major news channel right now about how Dunkin’ Donuts is making changes to its menu. I think they might have time to talk about… oh, one of the creepiest things I’ve ever heard about a sitting US senator… even if he was a Democrat.

According to his wikipedia page, these allegations have been around for a while. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig#Sexuality)

Rob:

Though the fact that he’s adopted all of his children may be telling in terms of his sexuality.

Wow. And you accuse Woof of being intolerant!

Perhaps the Senator is a little hyper-active and the officer was doing a little wishful thinking.

Why in the world would he plead guilty?

I really think this is a good time to play the But but Clinton.

Bill sexually harassed people that worked with him.

He committed perjury over it.

His acts were while he was doing the people’s business in the peoples house.

The lefties were just fine with it being about sex back then.

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yes, yes Whistler, Clinton did it in the White House.  A classy place wouldn’t you agree?  A bathroom in an airport?  Any children around?  An airport? A bathroom?  Really now.

As far as we know he was toe tapping and that’s it.  I’m not at all surprised at your selective outrage.

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Thanks for taking the bait though.

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Davey,

If Joe Biden were arranging for sexual encounters with male undercover police officers in public restrooms… we wouldn’t hear about it?

Well, Joe Biden is a Presidential candidate and most people know who he is.

I’m not saying this isn’t news-worthy.  I’m just that the media considers it more news-worthy because it’s a Republican.  Meaning you won’t have to read ten paragraphs into an article to learn which party Larry Craig is a member of.

Wow. And you accuse Woof of being intolerant!

Can you describe to me which part of my comment is intolerant of gays?  Noting that a man married a divorcee and adopted her children as a possible clue to his sexuality after he got caught soliciting sex from a man in a bathroom is hardly intolerant.

As I said in the post, and you are apparently choosing to ignore, I couldn’t care less if Larry Craig wants to have sex with men.  I just wish he wasn’t cheating on his wife when he did so.

Assuming, of course, they didn’t have some sort of private arrangement.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Whistler: Good point. Bill Clinton performed acts marginally (possibly) worse than Larry Craig, but Clinton got a free pass by the media, who completely overlooked his scandal because he was a Democrat. Typical.

I’m not saying either is ok, only that they do compare.

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Rob:
Abraham Lincoln: “Mr. President and Gentlemen of the Convention. If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could then better judge what to do, and how to do it. We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated, with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only, not ceased, but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached, and passed.

“A house divided against itself cannot stand.” I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved—I do not expect the house to fall—but I do expect it will cease to be divided.  It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new—North as well as South.”

I believe this same wisdom applies to your states rights idea regarding homosexual marriage. Many liberal states would approve homosexual marriage, while the conservative ones shall not and the moderate leaning states will be divided. The tension created by a nation divided about homosexual married couples moving from state to state will, rather soon I think, force the states in this country to all either recognize homosexual marriage or only a very few or none shall. To have a hodge podge of laws in various states regarding homosexual marriage is to my mind, a wholly untenable idea. So, if you believe this is a states right issue, I believe you are wrong and you will be, in effect, approving of homosexual marriage being recognized as a national civil right.

I believe we will soon tip over the edge into becoming another nation altogether than I knew from childhood; with there no longer being even a pretense at any common moral standards of right and wrong; and that tipping point will, in my opinion, result in the destruction of this nation for all time and your children will not grow up in the United States of America at all.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Whistler, typical of you to consider what Craig was doing “simply toetapping”.  He plead guilty.  Clinton got a free pass?  are you kidding me?  It was all Clinton, 24 hours a day.  You know it’s important to keep that brain working when we get older or we forget.  “Completely overlooked his scandal”? You are just too too funny.  I know it’s late but come on Whistler even you don’t believe what you just wrote.

No, Partisans such as yourself gave Clinton a free pass and did everything they could to protect him.

I caught you puzzled and you’re trying to lie about what I said.  I didn’t say that Clinton got a free pass.

As far as Neiman’s point and federalism, that’s a touchy point.  Due to the privileges and immunities clause of the Constitution you can’t really allow one state to have gay marriage without forcing the rest of the states to recognize it.

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My bad Whistler, sorry, that was Dave’s comment.
Dave, what I wrote to Whistler was for you.

Waiting for a retraction from me? Well ok he pled guilty. I retract that innocent until proven guilty. But look at the detail in the cop’s story. This wasn’t just toe tapping. I mean come ON! The details lead me to believe that this story is being made up. I mean my point stands, he’s going to be forced to say the charges are true because what else can he do? I don’t know…

Rush made a point once that you don’t see Democrats get caught up in these scandals (or it’s like a 10:1 ratio) because Democrats never profess morals. They NEVER say they have any values. So no one makes up stories about them. Republicans are a party or morals and values so bam they become a target for people smearing them with garbage charges like this. I can’t believe he pled guilty though. That kind of shakes my faith here.

Puzzlefeet: I think it’s really scary that the commenters on this site are so blindly partisan that even my obvious satire can be passed off as a legitimate right-wing response to the scandal. C’mon guys, you can do better than this.

Robin Crenshaw:

Rush made a point once that you don’t see Democrats get caught up in these scandals (or it’s like a 10:1 ratio) because Democrats never profess morals.

Good point. It’s like every other day a prominent Democrat is caught soliciting extra-marital gay sex in a public restroom from an undercover police officer…but when’s the last time you read about that in the paper? But the one time a Republican does it, it’s all over the news. Typical.

I can’t believe he pled guilty though. That kind of shakes my faith here.

“Kind of” shakes your faith… I mean, not enough to keep you from saying the incident was “made up (...) garbage charge”... but shaken a little, no doubt.

Republicans will see Craig does not run for office again.

Republicans will see Craig does not run for office again.

Damn straight. A lying gay dude cheating on his wife in a men’s bathroom? Get him out of there! What an embarrassment. That’s not behavior fitting of a man we want in office. The guy is out destroying his family in the most embarrassing way possible. I feel bad for his kids.

If all of this is true, throw him to the curb and shun him. He has to learn that you don’t pick up dates in a public restroom. That’s gross.

First of all it was a “public restroom”. If you can not do what you want in the privacy of your bedroom at home then you do not need to do it.

Secondly this man chose a life in the public and is being paid with my tax dollars. Get down sir to the public’s business instead of your personal business of getting down in public!!!!

Maybe I’m just a naive rube from fly-over country, but since when has that been a priority?

Since those hypocrits Newt Gingerich and Kenneth (Porno) Starr tried cutting into a sitting President on a private matter that was none our GD business!

GOP: The party of hypocrits and thieves.

FE

Hey Fasteddie. How is it that you do not resent someone on your payroll engaging in private, personal self-gratification on your dime? I want to work for you.

When this kind of behavior is done by a servant of the people on the people’s dime it automatically makes it our business. It is our dime after all that is paying their salaries, benefits, and retirement. I resent the fact that they think they are entitled to some kind of privacy to conduct themselves in any lewd way they so desire. They are not there to serve themselves, they are to be there to serve us, the people. Do what you want in your bedroom but not in public and definately not in your office that we pay for. It is time to stop greying the lines between right and wrong.

In your own bedroom = right
In public or a taxpayer funded facility = wrong

Too complicated for the educated elite in Washington??????????

The very idea of trying to pick someone up in any bathroom is not quite right. The smell and germ thing would be a BIG concern for me. PeeeeUwwww! AND what is the foot tapping thing about? Creepy!

Let’s keep in mind here that the strongest evidence we have is his conviction in Minnesota; I read the Idaho paper’s article, and the “evidence” is a bunch of more or less anonymous sources, countered by those who were named, including his fraternity brothers and an openly homosexual neighbor. 

Sorry, but if I were a lawyer, I wouldn’t take a case like this to court.  It’s likely that something else will come out soon, but maybe, just maybe, we should wait for it before rhetorically stringing him up?

And on the bathroom thing; as the father of a son (and four daughters), I am glad that there are people who are taking steps to end the use of bathrooms as rendevous places for sex.  I am equally glad that I’m not one of those undercover/behind doors officers.  Ewwwww!!!!

Third, are we actually paying undercover police officers to stake out airport bathrooms on the off-chance they might be solicited by someone looking for sex?  Maybe I’m just a naive rube from fly-over country, but since when has that been a priority?

A second source would clarify: The cop was responding to a complaint that someone was being lewd in the bathroom.  It wasn’t a stake out at all.  Also, he gave a few other signs that indicated he was looking for “a good time.”  It wasn’t just tapping the foot.

I’d just as soon see him resign although I’ve liked his position on the second amendment.

I don’t know if he’ll resign, but hopefully he at least doesn’t stand for re election.

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although I’ve liked his position

Why Mr… Whistler… I had no idea!

but hopefully he at least doesn’t stand

Oh my….

I would rather not know about Politicians sex life.

Fasteddie753 - GOP: The party of hypocrits and thieves.

Thieves? I understand your hypocrite charge given that we’re talking about a hypocritical individual, but thieving? You’re just smack-talking.

Craig just resigned from his committee positions.  That didn’t take long, will it?

Third, are we actually paying undercover police officers to stake out airport bathrooms on the off-chance they might be solicited by someone looking for sex?  Maybe I’m just a naive rube from fly-over country, but since when has that been a priority?

The detective in his case report writes:

I was working a plain-clothes detail involving lewd conduct in the main men’s public restroom (...) The Airport Police Department has received civilian complaints and has made numerous arrests regarding sexual activity in the public restroom.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/ssi/craig_police_report_082807.pdf

Hey, I just find it hard to believe that we actually pay police officers to hang around public bathrooms on the off-chance that someone might hit on them.

No wonder I can never find an open stall…

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

You’re lucky,.

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