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Friday, August 25, 2006


I Don’t Know What’s Worse…

...the fact that this guy over at the Huffington Post thinks another 9/11 could be good for America because it might convince people to vote Democrat (since they'd all be convinced that Bush hadn't kept them safe) so that once the Dems have control of the House and Senate they can block future Bush judicial appointments and keep Roe vs. Wade intact or the fact that commenters there think he's being naive because Bush would probably just use the attack as an excuse to invade Iran or something.

Really, though, this is just what happens when a major political movement becomes more about opposing the other side than doing what is best for the country.

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heh ... moonbats with highspeed connections.  Always good for a Firday night laugh.  I mean WOW!!!!!

gilbyguy on August 25, 2006 at 05:58 pm
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Gilby, think that was funny? Go check out the comments on the Wal Mart article at TAP. You’ll love it!

2Hotel9 on August 25, 2006 at 06:12 pm
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Actually, Gilby, that was pretty tame compared to alot of the threads in Huffie’s domain.

2Hotel9 on August 25, 2006 at 06:32 pm
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Another satire-proof conservative. I’ll bet you don’t get Colbert either!

Hattie on August 25, 2006 at 09:28 pm

Hattie: Hate is not satire.  Lies are not satire.  Colbert isn’t funny.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 25, 2006 at 09:59 pm
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Never watched it, I prefer SouthPark for political satire. The Simpsons smack everyone with equal abandon also. Oh, and to head you off at the pass, Jon Stewart is lame and not especially intelligent either, Hattie.

2Hotel9 on August 26, 2006 at 05:07 am
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And before you get all bent out of shape, I visit Huffie’s domain on a regular basis, and have read many posts by Mr Shaw, a singularly unimpressive individual who appears to be intent on dragging America down to the level every other 3rd world dictatocracy. No thanks, I prefer being at the top of the global “foodchain”, as it were.

2Hotel9 on August 26, 2006 at 05:19 am
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“Really, though, this is just what happens when a major political movement becomes more about opposing the other side than doing what is best for the country.”
And naturally Rob, you have the monopoly on “What’s best for the Country”.
I happen to think that getting out of Iraq would be what’s best for this country. That doesn’t make me any less an American.

gregdn on August 26, 2006 at 07:19 am
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The amazing thing is that he asumes that if America IS hit again, all blame will be put on Bush!

Bush is getting lambasted DAILY by the Left for going TOO FAR in trying to protect us.  IF, no WHEN we get hit again, the blame will not fall on Bush but on those that opposed him.  And we will get hit again, I think we can all say we’re amazed it hasn’t happened already…

Sphagnum on August 26, 2006 at 07:51 am

Sphag: Nice logic, but lefties don’t know how to do logic.  We have had plenty of examples over the last 5+ years of “damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t” in the MSM concerning the President.  If only they were at war with the terrorists instead of being at war with the President, we might have already won, with fewer casualties.  We need to hear the numbers of what the MSM “attitude” has cost us.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 08:41 am
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It constantly cracks me up to hear rightwingers foam about how tough Bush is on terror and how he gets jumped on because he’s trying to “protect us”. 

He gets jumped on because his administration exceeds its Constitutionally mandated authority in order to spy on ordinary citizens.  Because he’s gotten us into a war against a country that didn’t attack us and all his stated reasons for it have turned out to be false. 

He gets jumped on because he’s put us DEEP in hock to China and Saudi Arabia and he came in with a surplus.  On top of that, he and fatboy Rove have fostered the most divisive, negative political climate this country’s seen in years. 

As far as “protecting” us, he’s turning Iraq into a new Afghanistan, he cut and ran from Afghanistan and has let the Taliban back in, and oh yeah—9-11 happened ON HIS WATCH.  After he was in office for nine months, during which time he convened not ONE SINGLE CABINET LEVEL COUNTERTERROR MEETING. 

The ‘93 WTC bombings happened when Clinton was just in office two months—nobody blamed Bush

mercury on August 26, 2006 at 09:00 am
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Got cut off. 

Nobody blamed Bush Sr., when according to your usual logic, it was clearly his fault. —then again, Clinton’s Adminstration caught those guys, so the point was moot.

mercury on August 26, 2006 at 09:02 am

mercury: “It constantly cracks me up to hear rightwingers foam“Foam”? about how tough Bush is on terror and how he gets jumped on because he’s trying to “protect us”.

He gets jumped on because his administration exceeds its Constitutionally mandated authority in order to spy on ordinary citizens.He has the wartime authority to prevent the enemy from attacking us.  Get over it. If any of our citizens are talking to terrorists, we should be on top of that. Because he’s gotten us into a war against a country that didn’t attack usGermany didn’t attack us in WWII, either.  So what? and all his stated reasons for it have turned out to be false.Every single one has turned out to be true.

He gets jumped on because he’s put us DEEP in hock to China and Saudi ArabiaWe are not “in hock” to anyone.  This is how business runs, but you wouldn’t know about that. and he came in with a surplus.A fictional surplus, based on a ten year projection. Another Clinton lie. On top of that, he and fatboy Rove have fostered the most divisive, negative political climate this country’s seen in years.The divisiveness is from the Dems and their sycophants in the MSM declaring a jihad against the President for the last five years, to the detriment of our country.  All of this for short term political gain.

As far as “protecting” us, he’s turning Iraq into a new Afghanistan,The real parallel with Iraq is Nazi Germany. he cut and ran from Afghanistan and has let the Taliban back in, and oh yeah—9-11 happened ON HIS WATCH.He had yet to pass a budget, so the nation was still essentially on the Clinton agenda. After he was in office for nine months, during which time he convened not ONE SINGLE CABINET LEVEL COUNTERTERROR MEETING.

The ‘93 WTC bombings happened when Clinton was just in office two months—nobody blamed Bush
Nobody blamed Clinton, either; he gets the blame for his weak-kneed response, as contrasted with GWB’s very strong and decisive response to 9/11.  You seem to want to have it both ways: You blame the President for doing both too much and for doing too little.  This reveals your true agenda: Hate for the President.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 09:10 am

“Nobody blamed Bush Sr., when according to your usual logic, it was clearly his fault.—then again, Clinton’s Adminstration caught those guys, so the point was moot.”

My logic yields no such conclusion.  The Clinton administration’s law enforcement approach was about as effective as it would have been for FDR to have arrested and jailed the pilots who attacked and bombed Pearl Harbor.  9/11 was the evidence that Clinton’s approach was ineffective.  Had he the balls to go after Al Qaeda, it’s possible 9/11 would never have happened.  That is the logic.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 09:19 am
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without reading anything else, ever since I can remember, all politics has ever been is this:

-two parties pointing fingers at each other (usually the index finger, but you never know which one might accidentally pop up)

-political campaigns bashing the other party’s candidate

-each of the two popular political parties completely opposite of the other in political decisions

student student on August 26, 2006 at 10:16 am
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I happen to think that getting out of Iraq would be what’s best for this country. That doesn’t make me any less an American.

No, it makes you less of a person, however. Your moral authority has diminished.

Dave on August 26, 2006 at 10:30 am
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robertrobert, you make the mistake—as the vast majority of rightwing types do—that “hating” the President is the only reason many people have for speaking out against his policies. 

What are you, in fourth grade?  Grownups can have policy disagreements and base their decisions and judgments on facts, history, and analysis.  We’ve had five years of Bush now and there’s been plenty of opportunity to make reasoned judgments on his record. 

As far as his response to Al Qaeda, all I can say is if you think letting them into Iraq, where they never were before— and back into Afghanistan is good news—as well as playing into Osama’s hands by invading a Muslim country and bungling the whole thing, well, you just run along and enjoy yourself, little man.

mercury on August 26, 2006 at 12:53 pm

Grownups can have policy disagreements and base their decisions and judgments on facts, history, and analysis. We’ve had five years of Bush now and there’s been plenty of opportunity to make reasoned judgments on his record.

Are you kidding? The Democrats’ irrational derangement over Bush began just after Florida 2000. You guys have a visceral hate for Bush that actually defies facts, history and analysis. Heh, the idea that the Bush-haters don’t like him because of ‘facts, history and analysis’ is simply ridiculous on its face.

As far as his response to Al Qaeda, all I can say is if you think letting them into Iraq, where they never were before—and back into Afghanistan is good news—as well as playing into Osama’s hands by invading a Muslim country and bungling the whole thing, well, you just run along and enjoy yourself, little man.

Well you never heard of Zarqawi then, it seems. He was al-Qaeda living in Iraq during Saddam’s reign, and he was hardly the only one. Iraq is hardly a ‘bungling’ as you put it. They have a functioning democracy and real constitution - something no other country in the Middle East save Israel can claim.

Ken McCracken on August 26, 2006 at 01:29 pm

mercury: It is you who have done the childish namecalling, so take your own advice.
You seem to get all your “information” from leftie hate sites.  Your characterization of someone who believes in the founding principle of the US(a conservative) as “right-wing” further illustrates your ignorance and partisan agenda.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 01:42 pm
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Not to lower the debate, but:

Really, though, this is just what happens when a major political movement becomes more about opposing the other side than doing what is best for the country.

Are you kidding? The right invented that game.

Harold Parr on August 26, 2006 at 04:34 pm
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Harold, the left invented that “game”. The right does not think of America as a game. Get it? Your really rather pathetic. In a sad, perverted, child-molester sort of way. What a self-delusional loser.

2Hotel9 on August 26, 2006 at 06:12 pm

Harold: The lefties are doing all their attacking of our President, the American Way of Life and the American economy for one reason only: Short term political gain.  You see, their game is to rule.  They aren’t satisfied with being citizens with the same rights as everyone else; they want to be special.  They are elitists.  So, being productive citizens in the richest and most powerful country in the world is what they want.  They want to rule this country.  Get it?


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 06:19 pm
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R108, I can almost hear the national anthem, America the Beautiful, and God Bless the UsA reading your last post.  Geesh, with all the lefties are doing to destroy this country, it’s any wonder you can sleep at night.  Big Daddy, R108, doesn’t like when the chilen’s get all uppity and dare to questions the Big Big Daddy.  We should all be good lil chilen’s and know our place and not dare question Big Daddy or the Big Big Daddy cuz ya know wez jes out to distroy the Americun wey of life. 

Bwaaahaaahaaa!!!!

Puzzlefeet on August 26, 2006 at 06:28 pm

P: “R108, I can almost hear the national anthem, America the Beautiful, and God Bless the UsA reading your last post.Your sneering at our country is noted. Geesh, with all the lefties are doing to destroy this country, it’s any wonder you can sleep at night.Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty, according to Thomas Jefferson. Big Daddy, R108, doesn’t like when the chilen’s get all uppity and dare to questions the Big Big Daddy. We should all be good lil chilen’s and know our place and not dare question Big Daddy or the Big Big Daddy cuz ya know wez jes out to distroy the Americun wey of life.”Yes, we should all just join the union and follow our union leaders.  We really don’t need to think for themselves, do they?  They have you and the rest of the union thug leadership to tell them what to do.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 26, 2006 at 06:34 pm
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Oy. More pointless back and forth. Fact is, I’m not any kind of an expert on Iraq, Muslims, the MidEast, etc, and I suspect neither are any of the others posting here. Everyone here listens to different ‘experts’ and then regurgitates the results. I do the same. The experts whose judgement I have reason to trust tell me that Iraq is a reasonable success at and astoundingly low cost. Common sense and a knowledge of history tells me that Iraq is much like Okinawa but w/o the high casualties. Basically it’s an air base; now when we have to go after Syria, Iran, or even our ‘buddies’ the Saudis, our boys won’t have to fly off the Kitty Hawk; they’ll have Baghdad Int’l, convenient and centrally located.

But, in the end, most of this debate won’t matter. That’s because 80% of kids think and vote like their parents, and most libs ain’t having kids. Thus, in 20 yrs, the ‘redstaters’ will grossly outnumber the ‘bluestaters’, just as France will no longer be French. Even some of the libs have noticed this (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060824-051340-1172r), but it won’t help them; they’re too selfish to have kids now so that their ideology will survive. The world belongs to the religionists; the only question is which ones.

Doc on August 27, 2006 at 12:33 pm

Doc: Not a bad analysis.  One thing, though.  We have more going for us than simply believing one “expert’ over another; we have our own common sense and set of principles.  Well, at least conservatives do.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on August 27, 2006 at 12:49 pm
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Damn Doc, you sound like a good man to have at my back when the fire starts to fly.

2Hotel9 on August 27, 2006 at 01:07 pm

WOW Doc, Really succinct, even if I can’t spell it.


Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this is their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce.       
And they go down fighting.

Gene on August 27, 2006 at 01:11 pm
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Spelling only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. Now damnit! That ain’t right. You know what I mean.

2Hotel9 on August 27, 2006 at 01:49 pm
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Here’s a question for you all.

Who said “Bipartisanship is date rape”?

It wasn’t anyone from the Democratic Party, that’s for sure.

Jaxebad on August 27, 2006 at 06:11 pm
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So, Jaxe, whats this fixation of yours with rape?

2Hotel9 on August 28, 2006 at 03:34 am
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Oh, and bipartisanship is date rape. The party in ascension bends over and takes it in the ass from the party in decent. And it only goes one way, conservatives bend over, liberals do the screwing. Easy enough for you to understand? Or do you need a schematic?

2Hotel9 on August 28, 2006 at 03:39 am
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If bi-partisanship is truly date rape, then the Demoocrats certainly have nothing to fear so long as Nancy Pelosi is their congressional leader, for she is as unappealing politically as she is in a more figurative manner, as detailed in a recent Time magazine article.

...she has employed tactics straight out of DeLay’s playbook: insisting other House Democrats vote the party line on everything, avoiding compromise with Republicans at all cost…

and,

...Pelosi has embraced hard-knuckle partisanship, even if it means standing still. When Bush announced his Social Security plan last year, Pelosi told House Democrats they could never beat him in a straight-ahead, policy-against-policy debate because he had the megaphone of the presidency and was just coming off re-election. So the Democrats would thunderously attack Bush and argue there was no Social Security crisis and therefore no need for them to put out their own proposal.

Date rape?  Not likely.  Ugly is as ugly does.  Nobody is ever this desperate.

Bat One on August 28, 2006 at 04:38 am
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Wow, 2hotel9, you’re just digging a bigger hole every day.

The person who said that (and I thought there would be people here smart enough to know this) was Grover Norquist. He’s a hard core Republican. And those were his exact words.

Jaxebad on August 28, 2006 at 08:36 am
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And you seem to think I disagree with him. How partisanly delusional of you.

2Hotel9 on August 28, 2006 at 05:55 pm
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