Hypocrite: Bush Tells World Leaders Not To Abandon Free Market Capitalism

Want to know why Republicans are losing ground in America’s political arena? Because they say stuff like this even as they approve bailouts for corporate giants and essentially nationalize the banking industry.

Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) — President George W. Bush today urged leaders of the world’s biggest economies not to abandon free- market capitalism as they seek an escape from the financial crisis, calling it the “best system” for delivering growth.

Words mean things. You can’t go out and say one thing and then do pretty much the opposite thing when given a chance and expect people to trust you.
Before Republicans can return to power again they’re going to have to convince the American public that they can be trusted when they say things like “free markets,” “limited government” and “capitalism.”

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  • http://Array ellinas

    Pelosi, Carter and Clinton, knew by sniffing their asses, that one day George Bush would be elected president so they, according to Robert108 engineered it to place the blame on George Bush.

  • ellinas

    Kenny. You are correct on the vetoes. Mea culpa.

  • robert108

    I disagree with you on the rest of it.

    And yet you fail to cite any cause and effect relationships between your bullshit and reality. There are no cause and effect relationships, you are just spewing leftie bullshit.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Such as?

    Both farm bills vetoes.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25244839/

    The medicare veto.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1529466020080715?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

    A water projects bill veto.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/08/congress-defeats-bush-veto/

    How about admitting those things that you were wrong on now?

  • robert108

    Please try to make an intelligent reply.

    If you were capable of recognizing an intelligent reply, you would know that I always do.

  • robert108

    Obamunism will turn any recession into a depression, just like FDR did.

  • ellinas

    And tax cuts increased revenues taken in, not reduce them.

    2Hotel9 on November 14, 2008 at 09:46 am

    As we can see from the budget deficit and the level of debt, they did exactly as you say.

  • robert108

    As we can see from the budget deficit and the level of debt, they did exactly as you say.

    More ignorance from an ignorant liar. The Treasury figures are indisputable. You are confused, as usual.
    The restrictive energy policies of the Pelosi Congress cost us billions in increased energy costs, while depriving us of the prosperity that would have been generated by pumping our own oil, selling it on the world market, building new powerplants and refineries, with all the employment and wages lost by the restrictions, not to mention the tax revenues lost from the income that wasn’t generated.

    Cause and effect.

  • Man Train

    Chief RZ,

    Well aren’t you a fearful little space-cadet! Tell us a story about ‘The Truth’ Mr. RZ! What is it like for you to live light-years away from reality?

  • ellinas

    Get over it. The debating of the facts is over. Non partisan readers will formulate their opinions about what we said. Have a wonderful day.

  • robert108

    The US govt borrowed to finance budget shortfalls. I know you understand this, and I know you will not admit it because it does not jive with your politics or philosophy.

    Irrelevant to your ignorance about tax rate cuts. Tax rate cuts didn’t cause any economic downturn, and you have presented nothing to disprove that. You rattle on about borrowing, which you also don’t understand, and fail to make any point. Govt spending is the culprit, not tax rate cuts; they increase revenues to the Treasury, a fact that has been told to you over and over and over and over again, but you are apparently not bright enough to absorb it.
    The real problem is wasteful social spending, since it gives us nothing in return. It’s like throwing money down a hole, with the politicians at the bottom, grabbing our dollars.

  • Man Train

    You continue to be fact-free, fascist.

    Freudian slip robert108? Have you revealed to us your inner mantra?

  • 2Hotel9

    You sent her crawling away, tail between legs, yet again. Good job, Y’all.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    If we have a down turned 4th quarter, Obama will inherit a bush recession.

  • ellinas

    No one “borrows” with tax rate cuts; the fact is, revenues to the Treasury increased. Wrong again.

    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 11:10 am

    You are wrong again. The US treasury borrows to make up for the budget shortfall. That is why the debt ceiling increased.

  • ellinas

    More ignorance from an ignorant liar.
    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 10:07 am

    No. The ignorance is yours. You are confused, as usual.
    Borrowing to give tax cuts increased the income of certain tax payers and therefore their tax burden. It was artificial. Now the bills are due. So we have record budget deficits and astronomical debt.

  • Man Train

    Kenny and I were right about everything, and you are wrong about everything.

    Classic robert108 satire! Said like a true fundie/Con moron!

  • robert108

    The US treasury borrows to make up for the budget
    shortfall. That is why the debt ceiling increased.

    Wrong again! That was in spite of the tax rate cuts. You are still woefully ignorant on this subject. The debt ceiling is about spending, not taxation. If the greedy govt spends too much, no amount of tax revenues will suffice. You just don’t get it.

  • robert108

    When the govt taxes, it takes from the earners. People getting a reduction in marginal tax rates isn’t “borrowing”, since it’s their money, not the government’s .

    Basic econ; way beyond your pay grade, and your intelligence level.

  • robert108

    Such as?

    Still waiting for your cause and effect arguments on any of your claims. How did anything you mention cause anything recessionary? Please explain just how it works; no bullshit talking points, but actual facts and logic.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Are you answering me with questions?

    No, I gave several posts with answers. I explained calmly how the tax cuts had zero to do with the defecit, and how blaming them is silly. And I showed that the Democrats were far less responsible with the taxpayers money than were the Republicans.

    I applaud you for admitting you didn’t know about the veto overrides. Now how about the rest of it?

  • ellinas

    Some of the things Bush has vetoed have been passed over his objection.

    Kenny on November 14, 2008 at 07:20 pm

    Such as?

  • ellinas

    Kenny. This thing has been brewing for many years. To blame the Congress of the last two years is dishonest.
    Since among other things we are talking about Bush, may I ask what happened to his veto power?
    Dishonest. Tsk. Tsk.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Obama will inherit the bush recession.

  • ellinas

    I applaud you for admitting you didn’t know about the veto overrides. Now how about the rest of it?

    Kenny on November 15, 2008 at 01:07 pm

    I disagree with you on the rest of it.

  • 2Hotel9

    Ah! Now we are down to the short strokes. Why did the Democrat controlled Congress not stop the out of control spending.

    Got an answer for us, Bitch?

  • robert108

    It’s the Pelosi Congress, Carter/Clinton recession.

  • ellinas

    Still waiting for your cause and effect arguments on any of your claims. How did anything you mention cause anything recessionary? Please explain just how it works; no bullshit talking points, but actual facts and logic.

    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 07:40 pm

    You can wait till kingdom come. You, the one that never answers questions demand that I answer your loaded questions? That is laughable.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    Misguided tax cuts

    Outrageous spending increases

    Banking deregulation

    The wrong war

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    I think they planted the hair on the coke can too.

  • 2Hotel9

    Come on, Bitch. Tell us why your Party, the Democrat Party, refused to stop all this spending. Justify it, Bitch. Lets us hear you fucking lies.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Kenny. This thing has been brewing for many years. To blame the Congress of the last two years is dishonest.
    Since among other things we are talking about Bush, may I ask what happened to his veto power?
    Dishonest. Tsk. Tsk.

    The record budget deficits of the past two years are ONLY from the past two years. They are clearly the fault of the Democrats in Congress.

    Stop changing the subject. You blame the tax cuts for the deficit, which is stupid. You blame Bush for deficit spending (ballooning under Dem control)…which we have always done, which is dishonest. Some of the things Bush has vetoed have been passed over his objection.

    So when I point out you have no clue what you’re talking about in taxes and spending, you jump into talks about things that have been “brewing for years”. Nothing has been brewing for years that is relevant to this discussion.

    Stay on topic or admit you’re clueless and shut up.

  • ellinas

    The wrong war.

    Not an economic policy. Please explain how defense spending impacts the economy when social spending is many times more. If you don’t want spending to protect us from terrorism, please explain the cost savings as opposed to the cost of terrorist attacks on our country.

    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 09:53 am

    Two words: Borrow and spend.

  • robert108

    Here is your answer: Medicare drug prescription.

    You have yet to prove anything “outrageous”; just reciting old tired leftie talking points only proves how ignorant you are.
    Cause and effect, please.

  • Man Train

    Now here is a kid who does not understand the meaning of cause and effect.

    Obamunism will turn any recession into a depression, just like FDR did.

    Black is white; up is down; left is right; right is wrong; good is bad; equality divides.

    You are a hilarious satirist robert108!!! Keep up the good work!

  • robert108

    Furthermore it is you that are changing the subject.

    You lie again; I asked rbb to list the Bush economic policies and how they caused recession, and he made a list, which I refuted point by point. You come along, make ridiculous and nonsensical arguments, all of which I refuted, and none of which you came close to proving. You changed the subject, and now you lie again, trying to blame me for changing the subject. You have no ethics, morality, integrity or credibility. You have yet to give a cause and effect argument that anything on that list is recessionary.
    In fact, tax rate cuts, which leave more money in the private sector, are anti-recessionary.

    This thing has been brewing for many years.

    Yeah; since the Carter administration. Glad you finally admitted to something true.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Man Train. Waiting for your reply. You are parroting communism. Good job. Have fun with the socialists.

  • Neiman

    Ellinas: Just disagreeing is NOT an answer!

    It is an attempt to avoid honest debate. I have never known Kenny to be unkind, rude or hyper-partisan and I think he deserves more for his honest and direct effort than nine short, meaningless words!

  • ellinas

    …..You have yet to prove that the spending increases were “outrageous”….

    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 04:19 pm

    I have never thought you would require handholding.
    Here is your answer: Medicare drug prescription.
    Furthermore it is you that are changing the subject.

  • ellinas

    Irrelevant to your ignorance about tax rate cuts…….
    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 03:33 pm

    Why irrelevant? Because you say so? You have neither proven nor disproven anything.

    Rbb said: “Outrageous spending increases”

    Then you responded:Outrageous spending increases “Again, please explain the cause and effect relationship here, especially since Gore, Kerry and Obama promised even more spending.”
    robert108 on November 14, 2008 at 09:53 am

    robert108, please try to make an intelligent reply.

  • ellinas

    Robert108. The US govt borrowed to finance budget shortfalls. I know you understand this, and I know you will not admit it because it does not jive with your politics or philosophy.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    If we have a second straight quarter of negative growth, Obama will have inherited a bush recession.

  • ellinas

    Kenny and I were right about everything, and you are wrong about everything.

    robert108 on November 15, 2008 at 10:18 am

    You were not right on everything. Because you say so, does not make it so. You are the one changing the subject.

  • robert108

    You can wait till kingdom come.

    Of course, since you lack the knowledge. You just lie and repeat tired out, obsolete leftie lies, and then bail when you are asked to make any valid argument. I have already give my arguments against your bullshit claims. You lie again. You do nothing but lie. You have nothing, and are arrogant in your ignorance. You are a piece of shit.

  • robert108

    Please list the Bush economic policies that produced a recession. I have already provided a partial list of the Pelosi, Carter and Clinton policies that have.
    Of course, you economic know-nothings can just continue with your ignorant little circlejerk.

  • ellinas

    What “banking deregulation” was due to the President’s policies; remember that it was Congress who actually passes laws.

    Gramm’s most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry–friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career–came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead–even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. “Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it,” says a congressional aide familiar with the bill’s history.

    It’s not exactly like Gramm hid his handiwork–far from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act’s inclusion into the must-pass budget package. But only an expert, or a lobbyist, could have followed what Gramm was saying. The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swaps–and would thus “protect financial institutions from overregulation” and “position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century.”

  • robert108

    Misguided tax cuts Please explain how they were “misguided”, and what was the cause and effect relationship with the present situation. Remember the reality of vastly increased revenue from those tax rate cuts.

    Outrageous spending increases Again, please explain the cause and effect relationship here, especially since Gore, Kerry and Obama promised even more spending.

    Banking deregulation What “banking deregulation” was due to the President’s policies; remember that it was Congress who actually passes laws.

    The wrong war Not an economic policy. Please explain how defense spending impacts the economy when social spending is many times more. If you don’t want spending to protect us from terrorism, please explain the cost savings as opposed to the cost of terrorist attacks on our country.

    Try to make an intelligent reply.

  • robert108

    Borrowing and increasing the debt ceiling to
    give tax cuts is voodoo economics.

    No one “borrows” with tax rate cuts; the fact is, revenues to the Treasury increased. Wrong again.

    Outrageous spending increases. Do you disagree with the fact that during the Bush years we had outrageous spending increases?

    Off-topic; please explain the cause and effect relationship between that and the present situation.

    While you’re at it, please explain the cause and effect relationship between your claim of “banking deregulation” and the present situation.

    As far as “war spending” is concerned, aren’t you lefties always squealing about “war profiteering”? Please explain how profits are recessionary.

    With every comment, you continue to illustrate your absolute ignorance about economics.
    BTW, borrowing includes paying back the loan; tax and spend contains no such promise.

    Your leftie mantra is ignorance personified.

  • robert108

    Kenny and I were right about everything, and you are wrong about everything.

  • robert108

    Liar e: Now you’re changing the subject; you started with your inaccurate bullshit about tax rate cuts requiring borrowing, and now that you have been repeatedly smacked with the truth, you tell more lies. You have yet to prove that the spending increases were “outrageous”, and have yet to give a cause and effect explanation of how they might cause a recession, especially since they are a smaller percentage of GDP than Clinton’s spending, and you deny recession there. Once again, you mouth leftie lies, no matter how many times you get smacked with the truth.

    Maybe you don’t know what “cause and effect” means, in which case I must apologize to the mentally handicapped.

  • robert108

    Liar e: Stop trying to change the subject; you have miserably failed to prove any of your claims. You can’t answer because you don’t know anything about the subject.
    You are a piece of shit.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

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  • robert108

    Classic robert108 satire! Said like a true fundie/Con moron!

    You continue to be fact-free, fascist.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Barry will continue the Pelosi/Reid shrinking of the economy.

  • ellinas

    I’d like an answer to his question too. How did borrow and spend cause the banking crisis? How did Bush’s calls for INCREASED regulations lead to deregulation? How is Phil Gramm’s work in the 90s Bush’s fault? How are the tax cuts to blame for the defecit when tax revenues INCREASED? How are the defecits under a Republican congress relevant, but the democrat defecits irrelevant? How are you not a liar for repeatedly changing the subject when facts debunk your rhetoric?

    Kenny on November 14, 2008 at 09:38 pm

    Are you answering me with questions?

  • robert108

    The debating of the facts is over.

    With you, it never started. You have been completely fact-free on this subject, as usual.
    You provide no evidence that you know the meaning of either “cause and effect relationship” or of “changing the subject”. As a typical lying leftie, you just define words to suit your agenda, while being completely ignorant of their real meaning.
    Get help, psycho!

  • ellinas

    Ellinas: Just disagreeing is NOT an answer!

    It is an attempt to avoid honest debate. I have never known Kenny to be unkind, rude or hyper-partisan and I think he deserves more for his honest and direct effort than nine short, meaningless words!

    Neiman on November 15, 2008 at 02:41 pm

    Neiman. Thoughout this thread you will find my opinions concerning the issue we are debating. I have argued them once, and with all due respect to Kenny, do not wish to debate the same things endlessly.
    Again: I have stated my opinions, and I disagree with Kenny.

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Why irrelevant? Because you say so? You have neither proven nor disproven anything.

    Actually he has. Tax revenues increased after the tax cuts.

    You’re citing increased spending, which is the problem, to prove the tax cuts were a bad policy. A person gets a second job, and takes out a loan on a car they can’t afford. They are making less money a month because their increased spending outpaced the increased funding. Do we blame the second job? Of course not.

    Ask ex Senator Phil Grahm.

    Phil Grahm is not the President fool. And you’re citing things from the 90s to tar Bush. Dishonest. Tsk. Tsk.

    Robert108. The US govt borrowed to finance budget shortfalls. I know you understand this, and I know you will not admit it because it does not jive with your politics or philosophy.

    So, remind me again, which part ran Congress for the past two years, and REALLY jacked up the budget?

  • Neiman

    Thoughout this thread you will find my opinions concerning the issue we are debating. I have argued them once, and with all due respect to Kenny, do not wish to debate the same things endlessly.

    Then, perhaps you might have stated that position in your comments under discussion that you might not appear to be dismissing him out of hand.

    Robert108: I have not followed the entire thread, so I have no position on the matter at hand, other than Ellinas failure to respond that I mentioned. Ellinas is a liberal and we disagree often, but IMO he is no coward and while he may often be wrong, I do not believe he is a liar; that is, that he knows something to be wrong and deliberately, knowingly asserts it to be true anyway that fact notwithstanding, or vice versa. Even in heated debates with me, at least to me, he/she has always been civil, direct and has never lied nor ran away from an argument to my knowledge. Just for the record!

  • http://vdvfamily.com/ Sphagnum

    I don’t think you can claim the gov’t has “nationalized” the banks in this country, as far as I understand it, they don’t have any CONTROLLING interest in the banks… They’ve invested heavily into them using preferred stock buys, among other things, but the gov’t doesn’t have any directional control over any of those institutions, do they?

  • ellinas

    Again you lie; all you did was spew unsupported opinions, all of which have been refuted multiple times by facts and logic.
    You have steadfastly refused to make any attempts at making a cause and effect argument for your unsupported opinions.
    Now you want to cut and run, like the lying coward you are.

    robert108 on November 15, 2008 at 03:19 pm

    You are trying realy hard to entice me into rearguing the same issues again. Name calling will not do it. Candy will not do it. Whispering sweet nothings in to my ear won’t do it. In short get over it. The debating of the facts is over. Non partisan readers will formulate their opinions about what we said. Have a good evening.

  • robert108

    You have no facts; that’s what makes you fact-free. You have the emotional need to censor any opinions not in line with your ideology. That makes you a fascist.
    Don’t you know anything?

  • robert108

    I have argued them once…

    Again you lie; all you did was spew unsupported opinions, all of which have been refuted multiple times by facts and logic.
    You have steadfastly refused to make any attempts at making a cause and effect argument for your unsupported opinions.
    Now you want to cut and run, like the lying coward you are.

  • ellinas

    robert108. Thank you, for the name calling, and reasoned arguments. Your use of the word “lie” is meaningless. Your self back patting is dully noted.
    Please try to make an intelligent reply.

  • ellinas

    Misguided tax cuts. Borrowing and increasing the debt ceiling to give tax cuts is voodoo economics.

    Outrageous spending increases. Do you disagree with the fact that during the Bush years we had outrageous spending increases?

    What “banking deregulation” was due to the President’s policies; remember that it was Congress who actually passes laws.
    Ask ex Senator Phil Grahm. Gramm’s long been a handmaiden to Big Finance. In the 1990s, as chairman of the Senate banking committee, he routinely turned down Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt’s requests for more money to police Wall Street; during this period, the sec’s workload shot up 80 percent, but its staff grew only 20 percent. Gramm also opposed an sec rule that would have prohibited accounting firms from getting too close to the companies they audited–at one point, according to Levitt’s memoir, he warned the sec chairman that if the commission adopted the rule, its funding would be cut. And in 1999, Gramm pushed through a historic banking deregulation bill that decimated Depression-era firewalls between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firms–setting off a wave of merger mania.

  • 2Hotel9

    And tax cuts increased revenues taken in, not reduce them.

  • robert108

    It’s a Pelosi, Carter and Clinton recession. The Dem social engineering chickens have come home to roost. It was engineered to place the blame on George Bush, who helped rescue the country from the Clinton recession, and the Clinton-enabled 9/11. By ignoring the threat of AQ, Clinton set up both the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq. Those costs are on Clinton’s head. Despite all that, it took the thirty year legacy of Dem social engineering mandates in the financial market to bring a slight downturn.

  • robert108

    Whatever else you may say, President Bush is right about this. Since ’06, this country has been saddled with a leftie Congress.

  • 2Hotel9

    Banking deregulation? W was President in ’93?

  • robert108

    It’s a Pelosi, Carter and Clinton recession, exacerbated by the fear of Obamunism. Since the election, the market has plummeted. Obama is causing his own recession.

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    He’s got his fat government pensions, at this point; what does he care?

  • 2Hotel9

    This whole “bailout” scheme is collapsing, as it should.

  • robert108

    You are the one changing the subject.

    I guess, like “cause and effect relationship”, you don’t know the meaning of “changing the subject” either.
    You have yet to make any sort of argument for your claims. You remain entirely refuted.

  • 2Hotel9

    Give us a few examples, welfareboy.

  • ellinas

    I guess, like “cause and effect relationship”, you don’t know the meaning of “changing the subject” either.

    robert108 on November 15, 2008 at 10:46 am

    I know the meaning of all the words and phrases mentioned above. I also know how to recognize an excellent practitioner of “changing the subject”.
    Get over it. The debating of the facts is over. Non partisan readers will formulate their opinions about what we said. Have a nice day.

  • robert108

    You are trying realy hard to entice me into rearguing the same issues again.

    You lie again; you have yet to make a cause and effect argument in support of your allegations, so it is not possible to “reargue” what you haven’t argued.

    Neiman: rbb falsely asserted that if there was a second quarter of negative growth, then the Obamunist would be “inheriting a Bush recession”. I then asked him to list any Bush economic policies that have been recessionary. He made some unsupported claims, then ran away when I asked him to show a cause and effect relationship for them. Liar e then chirped in with the same ignorant crap, and has yet to make any cause and effect arguments to support his allegations. Sound familiar?
    His cowardice is amply illustrated by his refusal to debate any of the issues he has raised, instead squealing that he doesn’t have to do so. He has also lied about ever making any arguments. He has failed to do that, only spewing and echoing rbb’s unsupported claims.
    There you have it.

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    Man Train. ? where did you get the space cadet idea? How about some Truth? Have you paid a visit? Light years? Do you even know the literal translation?

    Reality. I am here. Where are you?

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    robert108. Thank you, for the name calling, and reasoned arguments. Your use of the word “lie” is meaningless. Your self back patting is dully noted.
    Please try to make an intelligent reply.

    I’d like an answer to his question too. How did borrow and spend cause the banking crisis? How did Bush’s calls for INCREASED regulations lead to deregulation? How is Phil Gramm’s work in the 90s Bush’s fault? How are the tax cuts to blame for the defecit when tax revenues INCREASED? How are the defecits under a Republican congress relevant, but the democrat defecits irrelevant? How are you not a liar for repeatedly changing the subject when facts debunk your rhetoric?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    I don’t know if your complaints jive with Palin’s class war rhetoric.

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