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Thursday, September 01, 2005

Hurricane Damage The Fault Of Iraq War Funding?

This could get ugly.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming....Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us.


This will no doubt be the new rallying cry for leftists in the coming weeks. I'd point out, however, that the manner in which the war was funded does not imply anything about the neccessity of the objectives we have and are achieving in Iraq.

I have no idea how much of this is true. I do know that the people ultimately responsible for the budget are not at the White House but rather in Congress. The President proposes a budget, Congress passes it. Did everything transpire as this article describes it? I don't know. I do know, however, that Editor & Publisher is a publication where I have noticed some fairly biased reporting before, so I'll be taking this with a grain of salt until more facts emerge from more reputable sources.

It will be interesting to see who in Congress supported these budget cuts for these Corps projects.

Update:

More from the Chicago Times:

"I'm not saying it wouldn't still be flooded, but I do feel that if it had been totally funded, there would be less flooding than you have," said Michael Parker, a former Republican Mississippi congressman who headed the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers from October 2001 until March 2002, when he was ousted after publicly criticizing a Bush administration proposal to cut the corps' budget.


Read the whole thing.

After reading more on this, here's where I'm at:

Its clear that there should have been more done with these levees. The funding should have been there, the projects should have been completed. That being said, this cannot be used as an indictment of the Iraq war. The war was neccessary and it was the right decision. If funding the war put a squeeze on Congress maybe they should have cut back on the number of $1,500,000 bus stops they've funded.

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What a fraud.  Grand Forks has been getting it’s flood money all along.  (with some bumps and bruises.)

250 million amounts to 6 tenths of 1 percent of a 400,000,000,000 deficit.

I doubt that the money had anything to do with it.  Besides doesn’t Congress ultimately set the spending?

The Whistler on September 1, 2005 at 06:10 am
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It is clear, that nearly all of the facts, statistics and direct quotes came from the nine articles published by the New Orleans Times-Picayune, no matter how biased you now find E&P.

Do not try to pass this off on the Republican controlled Congress that always does the White House’s bidding. Reminding you also, that Bush has yet to veto a single piece of legislation.

Maybe, if Bush had not pushed thru his second massive tax cut (for the wealthy), there may have been enough funding for both projects.

that colored fella on September 1, 2005 at 07:09 am
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Maybe, if Bush had not pushed thru his second massive tax cut (for the wealthy), there may have been enough funding for both projects.

What?  The tax cut that actually RAISED tax revenues???  TCF, tax cuts increase revenues… EVERY SINGLE TIME IT’S DONE!

Seth Yantiss on September 1, 2005 at 07:09 am
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Congress was able to spend $3,000,000 dollars on a bus station in Alaska.  $3,000,000 on a Train Station, and several millions more of various frivolities…

I suppose Alaska could have foregone the lavish bus station to help out the Dikes in LA.

Christ!  How do you combat the media????

Seth Yantiss on September 1, 2005 at 07:10 am
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that colored fella the Marxist states, Maybe, if Bush had not pushed thru his second massive tax cut (for the wealthy), there may have been enough funding for both projects.

First of all: the tax rate cut “for the wealthy” actually raised the federal tax intake. Secondly: you have a very low definition of “wealthy”.

likwidshoe on September 1, 2005 at 07:10 am
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The problem with the deficit comes about from Congress beinng unable to say no to anything.

I’m sure we’ll find enough pork spent in Louisiana alone that could have paid for protection many times over.

The Whistler on September 1, 2005 at 07:10 am
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Another thing to note… If the City knew that there was a potential for a disaster of this scope… Why the HELL would anyone live there? 

What purpose is there in living in an oceanside town that is below sea level?  Why are we required to pay for this kind of stupidity?

Seth Yantiss on September 1, 2005 at 07:10 am
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I do not think any amount of levee’s or pumping stations could have stopped what happened. Let us point out that New Orleans is not the only place that got its ass kicked by the hurricane.

When I lived in Arizona people there bitched when the Government would not rebuild there homes when they got flooded,why? They built there homes in a dry river bed get this below a dam. I have to wonder if they would have done that if they did not think the government would bail them out.

They should stop bitching about the suspended funding and realize how dumb it was to try and stop the damage of a hurricane that size to begin with and even dumber to fund it.

richard on September 1, 2005 at 07:10 am
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Seth hit the nail on the head.  If there was a funding shortage for these levees it could have easily come out of the billions in pork Congress has handed out in the last session alone.

$1.5 million bus stops indeed.


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Rob on September 1, 2005 at 08:09 am
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Here is a link on the public safety issues regarding flooding in New Orleans, and a summary:

The modern levee system were built after Hurricane Betsy in 1965 to withstand a category 3 hurricane.  Since then, studies have suggested that the levee system could be inadequate to handle even a category 3 hurricane.  It is clear from the historical record since 1966, that there were many indications of inadequacies in the system.  The most recent of these was the flooding in 1995, which was one of the most expensive payouts in the history of FEMA. If you want to lay blame, why not put this one in the lap of William Jefferson Clinton?  Or Lyndon B. Johnson?  These are the people in office at the time of the previous great disasters in the city.

The warning signs for problems with the system are long-standing, and I think the criticisms well-founded.  This problem should have been addressed along time ago, and points towards well-known inadequacies within the Army Corp of Engineers.  Sounds like we need to fire them and hire some good Dutch civil engineers to replace them.

Carrick on September 1, 2005 at 11:10 am
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You’d think one of the qualifications for becoming a journalist would be completion of high school government class. If they had bothered to pay attention the day it was covered they’d know that the President submits a proposed budget to congress and they do whatever they want to with his proposal and send it back to him. He can veto it and cut off funding for everything or accept it. Pretty simple, unless you’re a liberal or a reporter (redundant, I know) you should have the mental capacity to understand this.

bullwinkle on September 1, 2005 at 11:10 am
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[...] There is talk now about the war in Iraq being the reason for the Corps of Engineers budget short falls, but its not as simple as that. Our entire federal government has a spending problem. Recently our Congress passed a transportation bill that included $1.5 million for a bus stop in Anchorage, $223 million for a bridge connecting the mainland to an island with 50 inhabitants and funding for other projects just as inane. 410 members of the house and 91 members of the Senate voted for this spending. It would have taken a fraction of the $286.4 billion in spending encompassed in this legislation to fix the levies in New Orleans, yet a fraction of legislators voted against it. [...]

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The war in Iraq is now having consequences back home because it’s been such a drain on the nation’s finances.  Because of the Iraq war, the New Orleans disaster is worse than it would be.  FEMA response so far has been dismal.

Therefore, I see two things:

1) If we accomplished the mission in Iraq in the time Bush & Co. promised and the troops were home, the war was over, the flowers were done being thrown at our troops’ feet, then maybe the money would have been there for FEMA and levee funding.

2) The Iraq war has turned into a quaqmire that will take many years to win, if it’s winnable at all.  It became more and more expensive, far exceeding Bush’s initial request.  Therefore, the Bush administration’s documented lack of planning led to the increased funds, which led to the decrease of emergency funds.

Ryan on September 1, 2005 at 02:10 pm
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The war in Iraq is now having consequences back home because it’s been such a drain on the nation’s finances.

Right Ryan.  Such a drain that our legislators just signed a transportation bill building $1.5 million dollar bus stops and $232 million dollar bridges to sparsley populated islands.

Nope, that dog don’t hunt.


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Rob on September 1, 2005 at 03:09 pm
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There never was a “DEADLINE” for operations in the Mid-East. There was a “DEADLINE” set for operations in Bosnia-Herzgovinia and Kosovo. Remember? The troops would be home by Christmas. What year was that? How much are we spending there each fiscal quarter? How many troops are stationed there? How many casualties are inflicted there each month? Well, never mind about all that unpleasentness. Lets us move on to other fiscal expenditures. $195 million for condoms for Uganda. Sure you think that is quite the proper disbursal of tax funds. $500 million for enforcement of the endangered species act. There is money well spent! Oh, hey! Speaking of the endangered species act, what ,exactly, has been a major holdup with SEVERAL floodcontrol projects in the lower Mississippi River Basin? Lawsuits brought by whom? Over what? Be careful what you wish for, children. Lots of tar on that brush, and the majority of it is going to end up on your asses.

2Hotel9 on September 1, 2005 at 03:09 pm
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Do you suppose the Corps of Engineers regularly submits a long list of funding requests, fully expecting most to be reduced or rejected?  Is it possible the Corps expects the heavy lobbying will be done by the politicians representing the affected areas?  Are spending decisions really made by Congress?  Do elections matter? 

The argument advanced is that the lack of FEDERAL funding is a proximate cause of damage and death. The argument is silent on the lack of State and local funding, or the wisdom of building a major city below sea level.

Today it is New Orleans because that is where the reporters and the survivors are.  Reporters and survivors are not appearing in Missisippi, and there is no argument advanced that federal funding would have increased the supply of either reporters or survivors. 

The next disaster will be elsewhere, so the argument of “shoulda-coulda” is one premised on perfect hindsight.  It would be rude to ask if the current critics were furiously lobbying to fund these critical projects in a timely manner, so I shall avoid the subject.  But it would be interesting to know what they are supporting and lobbying for now, as reference for the next natural disaster that could have been avoided with federal funding.

Terry J on September 1, 2005 at 05:10 pm
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it would be interesting to know what they are supporting and lobbying

HS/Fema might hire a temp to work summer weekends (make sandwiches , gas up the trucks)when there is a Cat 5 hurricane threating the country.

WOOF on September 1, 2005 at 06:09 pm
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I’ll bet that Louisiana politicians had inner city pork projects that would have funded the needed improvements to flood protections!

The Whistler on September 2, 2005 at 07:09 am
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