Huck’s Foreign Policy Flops

Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who has previously joked about his total lack of foreign policy experience (“I may not be the expert as some people on foreign policy, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.), has offered up a scathing criticism of the Bush administration’s foreign policy and its conduct of the global war on terror in an article published in Foreign Affairs magazine, released late Friday.
Huckabee’s essay makes clear that the former governor’s rhetorical stay at the Holiday Inn Express did nothing to enhance his knowledge of either American Foreign policy or domestic electoral politics. The fact is, it would be a splendid article if offered by either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama… which calls into question whether Huckabee really has any idea which party’s nomination he’s pursuing.
Here are a few samples of GOP candidate Huckabee’s thoughts on foreign policy and the US’ war on terror:

American foreign policy needs to change its tone and attitude, open up, and reach out. The Bush administration’s arrogant bunker mentality has been counterproductive at home and abroad. My administration will recognize that the United States’ main fight today does not pit us against the world but pits the world against the terrorists…

Pure leftwing drivel. And as General Petraeus’ “surge” strategy continues to show positive results, and more US troops are withdrawn from an improving Iraq, fewer and fewer Republicans are likely to view Huckabee’s comments kindly. A dumb mistake.

Although we cannot export democracy as if it were Coca-Cola or KFC, we can nurture moderate forces in places where al Qaeda is seeking to replace modern evil with medieval evil. Such moderation may not look or function like our system — it may be a benevolent oligarchy or more tribal than individualistic — but both for us and for the peoples of those countries, it will be better than the dictatorships they have now or the theocracy they would have under radical Islamists. The potential for such moderation to emerge is visible in the way that Sunni tribal leaders in Iraq have turned against al Qaeda to work with us; they could not stand the thought of living under such fundamentalism and brutality. The people of Afghanistan turned against the Taliban for the same reason. To know these extremists is not to love them.

Huckabee’s cute, homespun analogies aside, that these changes are happening in Afghanistan and Iraq is due to the very policies of Mr. Bush and that “bunker mentality” White House of Huckabee’s criticizing!

I would have met with (former Joint Chiefs Chairman, Army General Eric) Shinseki privately and carefully weighed his advice.

This last is just plain silly, assuming that President Bush did not meet with General Shinseki and did not take the general’s suggestions into account. Huckabee, of course, knows neither to be true.
In his article, Huckabee also thumped Bush for failing to pursue al-Qaida in Pakistan, noting recent terrorism plans, since thwarted, that were planned there,

Whereas our failure to tackle Iran seems to be leading inexorably to our attacking it, our failure to tackle al-Qaida in Pakistan seems to be leading inexorably to its attacking us again.

This is either the ranting of an ill-informed man to busy to read a newspaper, or the sly pandering of a man who ignores reality infavor of some partisan advantage. But that merely begs the question: Which party’s nomination is Huckabee running for?
Over at Powerline, Paul Mirengoff has this to say about Huckabee’s foreign policy analysis,

Huckabee again anthropomorphizes foreign policy. Previously, enemies like Iran have starred in the Huckabee foreign policy narrative as a misguided family member to whom we have petulantly refused to speak. Now the U.S. is portrayed as an immodest high school student who may be to blame for his own unpopularity. Put aside Huckabee’s flirtation with “blame American first” thinking; the superficiality with which he approaches world affairs is stunning.
Huckabee’s analogy of the U.S. to the arrogant school boy is not just sophomoric, it’s affirmatively inapt. Huckabee provides no evidence that the Bush administration has an “arrogant bunker mentality,” and his invocation of this phrase suggests that his foreign policy views have been formed more by watching CNN in airports, than by watching the Bush administration in action.
During his second term, President Bush has deferred to the Saudis and other Arab nations in formulating his policy towards Israel. He has deferred to the Europeans throughout both administrations with respect to the Iranian nuclear threat. Similarly, he has deferred throughout to China and other Asian powers when it comes to North Korea.
There are, of course, a few issues on which the U.S. did not defer. But the occasional desire to hold out for our own policies, based on our own perception of interests, does not amount to “a bunker mentality.” If the U.S. were to defer on every issue, we would effectively forfeit our sovereignty, something Huckabee says he doesn’t favor.

Clearly, Huckabee is trying to broaden his electoral appeal, building on his apparent late success with the evangelical wing of the GOP. But attacking a sitting GOP president by saying that he ought not to have done what he didn’t and that he ought to have done what he already has done, displays exactly the sort of muddled thinking and leadership by uninformed perception that we’ve come to expect from Democrats…not the sort of conservative Republican Mike Huckabee portrays himself to be.
That Holiday Inn Express Huckabee stayed at may be better suited to wannabe surgeons, helicopter pilots and rodeo clowns. Obviously it did nothing for this second rate, wannabe US president.

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  • http://www.ski-blog.com/ sayanything-24

    It is awful easy to sit back and criticize Bush and play monday morning QB.

    I think what H is saying is that Huckabee can make good decisions in retrospect. Once he sees what the results are, he can look back and see what decisions should have been made.

    Apparently he has also figured out that if he were in charge of the All-U-Can-Eat Buffet in Inbredville, AK, he would have asked the Huckabee family to leave before they closed the place down and broke the booth at table 4C.

  • robert108

    Feb. 25, 2003: Shinseki Suggests “Several Hundred Thousand Soldiers” Needed To Secure Iraq

    It has been accomplished with fewer than two hundred thousand total troops, so Shinseki was wrong.

  • Lestat

    and there is nothing Christian about Socialism.

    Damn straight. Jesus was all about acquiring wealth and personal property.

  • Hannitized

    Is English your second language, perhaps? Are you any more adept with your native tongue. To say that someone’s advice was not taken is not at all the same thing as saying that the individual was ignored. Unless you figure out how to be a good deal more accurate with the facts and articulate with the language you’ll never get anyone to pay attention to what you say… much less agree with you.

    May I remind you, sir, that our President has great difficulty with his native language and yet he manages to get quite a few people to pay attention and agree with him. You can’t have it both ways, my friend.

    I dont have a problem with arrogance, its part of the culture of the blogoshpere, but I am getting a bit tired of your pretentious attitude of language. It’s boring and your remarks are self serving and they don’t help you make a valid point in debates.

    Now, I am not saying that they were merely ignored. Rumsfeld and the Bush administration have gone to some lengths to discredit Shinseki and other Generals who have offered a different opinon and it has been revealed that anyone who offered a contrary opinion to Rummy had serious problems with their career afterwards.

    The treatment of Colin Powell and the constant derision anyone received from disagreeing with Rummy shows that their advice was not carefully weighed, something you seem to imply. Nonsense!

    http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/shinseki.320.240.mov

    Smearing of Shinseki

    Feb. 25, 2003: Shinseki Suggests “Several Hundred Thousand Soldiers” Needed To Secure Iraq

    “Something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers, are probably, you know, a figure that would be required. We’re talking about post-hostilities control over a piece of geography that’s fairly significant with the kinds of ethnic tensions that could lead to other problems. And so, it takes significant ground force presence to maintain safe and secure environment to ensure that the people are fed, that water is distributed, all the normal responsibilities that go along with administering a situation like this.” [Sen. Armed Services Committee testimony, 2/25/03]

    Feb. 27, 2003: Wolfowitz Blasts Shinseki

    “Mr. Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, opened a…war of words on Capitol Hill, calling the recent estimate by Gen. Eric K. Shinseki of the Army that several hundred thousand troops would be needed in postwar Iraq, ‘wildly off the mark.’” [NYT, 2/28/03]

    March 19, 2003: Pentagon Smears Shinseki

    “A senior Pentagon official dismissed General Shinseki’s comments as ‘bullshit from a Clintonite enamored of using the army for peacekeeping and nation-building and not winning wars.’” [Village Voice, 3/19/03]

    March 29, 2003: Rumsfeld Turned Shinseki Into Lame Duck Over Disagreements

    “For the past two years Gen Shinseki has been in total eclipse after what appears to have been the most spectacular bust-up with his civilian bosses, in particular Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary. … he had already been turned into a lame duck (‘castrated’, according to the same Pentagon source) by the apparently unprecedented Rumsfeld decision to announce his successor 18 months in advance.” [Guardian, 3/29/03]

    April 10, 2004: Smear of Shinseki Silenced U.S. Commanders in Iraq

    “Some officers say privately that the rebuke has intimidated commanders in Iraq.” [Washington Times, 4/10/04]

  • http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/ USpace

    Huckabye? He’s toast I think. According to his latest statement, Huckabee seems to want fundamentalism. It could never happen, even if Huckabilly really wanted to do it.

    I don’t think he does, he just wants the votes from those he thinks want one. I don’t think most of them really want it that much either. He’s not stupid enough to want to try to do it as POTUS, he’s just stupid enough to say it when he’s campaigning.

    Huckleberry is too conservative on religion and too liberal on criminals and the economy and immigration.

    Huckabye? Huckabee wants to have adulterers, homosexuals and rape victims stoned to death. He also wants to make alcohol and music videos illegal, and make women 2nd class citizens and to take all girls out of school?

    Oops, my bad, that’s another ‘religion’.

    Hey, anybody but the PIAPS!

    if you’re MAD
    punish your country
    VOTE for Hillary
    .

    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    elect women presidents

    who cover for their husbands
    who rape other women
    .

    http://haltterrorism.com/

    http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/
    .

  • Bat One

    H,

    It occurs to me that there is another question to be answered regarding the efforts you cite to discredit General Shinseki, which is why was Shinseki speaking out publicly in the first place?

    Public disputes by senior flag-grade military officers with their civilian masters over national policy and strategy are intolerable within our American system, as any number of senior officers have discovered over the course of our history, including McClellan during the Civil War, Patton during WWII, and MacArthur during the Korean War.

    Even if Shinseki had been proved correct in his assessment (and I would argue he has not been), his proper course of action would have been to resign first, and then take to the pages of the NYT and WaPo.

  • carrick

    Robert108, we don’t know that the surge would have been necessary if we had had adequate troops to start with. We have had four years of chaos following Cheney’s invasion lite, so the argument could certainly be made that we were undermanned at the start. (I personally believe that’s true.)

    On the hand, I admit we won’t ever know whether Shinseki’s plan would have turned out better or not. The US Army went into the conflict with “we aren’t nation building” mindset, when the reality is “oh, yes you are”… No amount of troop presence was going to fix that. Some things just don’t happen over night, and I haven’t seen any evidence that Shinseki had a better handle on fighting insurgencies than any other US general at the time.

    (There was this guy in Mosul who was running the 101st back in 2003, who showed some real promise… )

  • Hannitized

    how then can you confidently state that there would have been fewer casualties?

    Um, its called simple logic as evidenced when you take a look at the results of the surge. Hint: Troop casualties DOWN as a result of what? Troop surge (or MORE TOOPS)!

    In the first place, we were never losing the battle, so your question is meaningless. I always know the Dems are wrong, in any case.

    Well, not that were winning, some Generals are admitting we were loosing. And now I am bored with you.

  • Hannitized

    I meant he can beat a Dem.

  • Hannitized

    Pure leftwing drivel. And as General Petraeus’ “surge” strategy continues to show positive results, and more US troops are withdrawn from an improving Iraq, fewer and fewer Republicans are likely to view Huckabee’s comments kindly. A dumb mistake.

    Far from left-wing, Buchanan thinks the same thing. Confirmed on his appearance on CNN this morning. Furthermore, Huckabee supported the surge, as did I. It’s quite possible to hold both positions without them conflicting.

    Huckabee’s cute, homespun analogies aside, that these changes are happening in Afghanistan and Iraq is due to the very policies of Mr. Bush and that “bunker mentality” White House of Huckabee’s criticizing!

    There is nothing to suggest any progress is permanent either way. Afghanistan is a mess and Iraq is just now emerging from its previous form of shambles. What makes you so certain that Democracy, as we know it, is going to flourish in either country? What in the wild world of sports make you think this is buttoned up?

    Are you just so hung up on hating Huckabee that you put aside any objective viewpoints on Iraq? The ideology Huckabee clings to is more liken to Reagan than Bush. Whats the delio?

    This last is just plain silly, assuming that President Bush did not meet with General Shinseki and did not take the general’s suggestions into account. Huckabee, of course, knows neither to be true.

    Both Colen Powell and Shinseki were ignored, if not worse, by Bush when it came to proper troop levels. Both were treated as incompetents by the Bush administration. Why do you pretend to not know this?

    But attacking a sitting GOP president by saying that he ought not to have done what he didn’t and that he ought to have done what he already has done, displays exactly the sort of muddled thinking and leadership by uninformed perception that we’ve come to expect from Democrats…

    Really, what is all this jabber? What are you trying to say here? Nevermind, the Bush worshipping is patently obvious. Americans know the score and they know were in trouble in Afghanistan and they know we diverted funds and military war-fighters to the operational mess that has been Iraq for the last 4 years.

    I think Huckabee is going to garner a lot more momentum if he continues down this road. Americans supported the surge, opposed the handling of Iraq and are disappointed in our distraction from Afghanistan to Iraq. Huckabee understands this AND he is a Christian who understands compassionate conservatism better than Bush.

    It’s all over. Huckabee is going to be your nominee and he will be a Dem.

  • carrick

    Lestat, philosophically, Jesus was about human rights, the freedom and dignity and inherent worth of the individual, and the responsibility of that individual towards his brother to help him in times of need.

    Now which part of that fits in with socialism again? I think “none” is the right answer.

  • Hannitized

    DID the Good Samaritan go chase down the ROBBER GANG in that parable and take them to the inn and pay their living expenses for a month??????????? EXCUSE THE $#%# OUT OF ME!!!

    Huckabee is a SOCIALIST and nothing ELSE.

    Gee, who would have known SOCIALISM was so popular with the conservative ranks?

    Oh bruther. Can you possibly make a logical argument instead of screaming socialism everytime you fail to comprehend something?

  • robert108

    Carrick: I generally agree with you on this, with the noting of Powell’s screwup with Turkey as mentioned by Bat previously as a contributing factor. However, I don’t make too much of it, since wars are classically full of such mistakes(take the year 1942, for instance).
    To me, the real difference has been the PC influence on our ability to resolve such conflicts as quickly as our military superiority would indicate is probable. I hold the Dems responsible for this, since they have done their dead level best to obstruct and undermine our efforts in Iraq almost from the very beginning, and their stamp is on every one of our combat deaths, IMO.
    Look at the reception Gen Petraeus got in Congress, mostly for his success, IMO.

  • Bat One

    H,

    Not much better with sarcasm, are you? Pity!

  • robert108

    how then can you confidently state that there would have been fewer casualties?

    Because your premise didn’t match your conclusion, as I already pointed out. What you do isn’t “logic” by any definition of the word.

    Only Harry Reid believed we were losing the war.

  • Hannitized

    Why not just acknowledge that you misspoke, apologize, and get on with whatever point it is that you’re trying to make? Acknowledging a mistake and apologizing is easy… really.

    To ignore someone is to behave in a manner as if they are not there… or, to pretend that someone does not exist. Which is the exact opposite from making the effort to criticize or disparage what that someone says. This,

    …by ignoring I mean: take nothing I say seriously…

    would be correct only if there was no response to what you say, but the fact of the matter is several of us have a difficult time actually ignoring you because, at least in part, what you say is so disjointed, inarticulate, and incoherent.

    Second, since you object to being criticized for being linguistically challenged why not try not to validate that criticism? Your misuse of the word “ignore” is but one example.really.

    Bat,

    I havge to give you credit. Really, I had no idea you had the balls to make that completely meaningless argument.

    So, your criticism of me is that YOU took the word ignore literally vs. figuratively? Well, in all honesty that has to be one of the weakest arguments I have ever seen and one of the absolute worst choice of violations to conclude my arguments are disjointed.

    Ponder this for a moment, if you can; When someone drives you to the store, do they actually sit on top of you and ride you to the store? Or, do they use an automobile?

    That is about as far as I will bother continuing to bother with that drivel.

    If, on the other hand, you have something to say that might be worth someone else’s attention, then slow down, think about what you’re saying, give up the insults and the sarcasm, neither of which you’re especially good at, and focus on the conversation at hand. You’ll be amazed at the results.

    Um….right back at’cha babe!

    Oh, and of course you are going to ignore the fact that Shinseki was MORE THAN ignored and also….ignored. Hint: His ideas were not weighed heavily AS YOU SUGGESTED.

  • robert108

    Damn straight. Jesus was all about acquiring wealth and personal property.

    Lestat on December 16, 2007 at 06:26 pm

    Pathetically profound ignorance!

  • Hannitized

    I wouldn’t expect you to like being criticized. None of us does.

    Really, none of us does? Because I thought a lot of us do’s.

    You know, I might have agreed with you on the importance of articulating with language, but I lost my attention to your argument when it became inept.

    Do you understand now, how stupid you look for trying to pretend you are a master of the English language, and further, how it speaks nothing to the argument at hand?

    Your quotes regarding General Shinseki point to a deliberate effort to undercut what he was saying, rather than ignoring him as you previously stated.

    OMG, NO! Not at all. You see its similar to how some that others at this site. They undercut AND ignore those on this site that they feel arent up to their intellectual par, or whom they disagree with politically.

    I think what you fail to understand is reality. Bat, meet reality. It’s the same thing Robert does to me! On top of ignoring, and by ignoring I mean: take nothing I say seriously, (or weigh it) he try’s to belittle and chastise me. And thats fine, but lets recognize it.

    It’s widely known that Shinseki was treated in the same manner.

    If there was a systematic and sustained effort by Secretary Rumsfeld to discredit Shinseki, the obvious point of the quotes you cite, that would indicate that he was not being ignored at all.

    Wow, and you criticize ME for not being intimately familiar with the English language? HE, might not have been ignored, but his advice was. You do understand the difference between a person and an idea, right?

    That said, I see you have no such defense for Colin Powell, who you included in your initial accusation. Good! My point again.

    I haven’t bothered to defend him, because as of right now, you haven’t convinced me you are intellectually honest enough to extend the conversation any further.

  • Ombre Rose

    The first several times I heard anything of Huckabee accomplishments and goals, and his attitudes about them, I felt instantly that he is a Socialist – and there is nothing Christian about Socialism.

    He had talked to teens at a major evangelical outreach ministry telling them he felt that giving the vote to illegal aliens would guarantee the overturn of Roe v Wade, because the illegal aliens would all vote “Family Values”.

    Hey, Huck – to ILLEGAL ALIENS, “ENTITLEMENTS” are “Family Values”.

    Besides, that was NOT the message he was preaching “at his day job” to adults on the traditional campaign trail!
    Telling adults one thing, and secretly telling the children something opposite – many characters come to mind – NONE OF THEM CHRISTIAN.

    Then he said we ought not to let the DIMS OWN HEALTHCARE!
    In the same breath, he said smokers shouldn’t be entitled to health care if they won’t quit, and that he had lost 100 pounds and was keeping it off, and he saw no reason why the OBESE who refused to diet and exercise should be entitled to healthcare.

    To which I say, “JOSEPH MENGELA!”
    I have a BOOK of comments on THAT!
    Anyway, many people in those situations are not there because of their own malicious behavior, and are not in a position to fix it – and diet and exercise isn’t the answer to every fat person’s deepest dreams of slenderhood, and overeating and being a couch potato didn’t cause most of their problems.
    In a world where all the dieting being done now is at the individuals’ personal expense and NOT on govt healthcare, the obesity-related industry of exercise products, gyms, professional diets and diet organizations, etc etc and pills, and regimens, etc, etc etc, is one of THE most major industries in America – and doesn’t have that many success stories(outside of major and dangerous surgery!) with it – so EFFORT isn’t the problem, either.

    That makes his draconian simplistic government regulation just a *&$%# bit viciously Socialistic.

    Then we find he has signed every tax increase he can find, including $5-6 DAILY per NURSING HOME BEDS????????
    Many of them are lucky if their daily food costs that much!

    AGAIN – “JOSEPH MENGELA!”

    We owe ILLEGAL ALIENS SLAVE REPARATIONS????????

    In my neighborhood, er, SW TEXAS – “NECK OF THE WOODS” so to speak – MOST, up to 90% EASY of the murders around here are ILLEGAL ALIEN-RELATED – and I do mean committed “BY” – NOT “UPON”, not to mention 98% of ALL OTHER CRIME being also related in that the drugs, human and drug smuggling business of coyotes, buying Social Security numbers – EVEN I HAVE BEEN ASKED IF I’D LIKE TO SELL MY NUMBER! (And believe me, my bearing is NOT approachable on such issues!) etc etc, and some of them develop theft rings among the GRADE SCHOOL CHILDREN to promote the buying and selling of drugs, and included that some of the thefts, related to trying to finance drugs, resulted in part of our school being burnt to the ground!

    WE OWE THEM??????? TAX DOLLARS AND TAX-FUNDED BENEFITS??? AMERICAN JOBS???? AMERICAN SECURITY SACRIFICED ON THE ALTAR OF A WARPED VERSION OF THE “GOOD SAMARITAN”????

    DID the Good Samaritan go chase down the ROBBER GANG in that parable and take them to the inn and pay their living expenses for a month??????????? EXCUSE THE $#%# OUT OF ME!!!

    Huckabee is a SOCIALIST and nothing ELSE.

  • Bat One

    H,

    Forgive the interruption, but you don’t seem to be getting anywhere with your campaign of insults, so I thought a suggestion might be helpful. Why not just acknowledge that you misspoke, apologize, and get on with whatever point it is that you’re trying to make? Acknowledging a mistake and apologizing is easy… really. Each of us who you’ve accused of being your intellectual superior do it now and then. So surely you should not find it beyond your grasp to do the same.

    To ignore someone is to behave in a manner as if they are not there… or, to pretend that someone does not exist. Which is the exact opposite from making the effort to criticize or disparage what that someone says. This,

    …by ignoring I mean: take nothing I say seriously…

    would be correct only if there was no response to what you say, but the fact of the matter is several of us have a difficult time actually ignoring you because, at least in part, what you say is so disjointed, inarticulate, and incoherent.

    Second, since you object to being criticized for being linguistically challenged why not try not to validate that criticism? Your misuse of the word “ignore” is but one example.

    “…HE, might not have been ignored, but his advice was. You do understand the difference between a person and an idea, right?”

    My point exactly! Thank you for the validation!

    Your accusation that I have been intellectually dishonest is clearly another such example. Apparently, you’re having difficulty with basic definitions, which was my point in asking if English is your second language. Unless you have a substantive example to share, and a clear understanding of the phrase itself, your accusation is merely so much silly drivel, worthy only of being ignored.

    Those of you on the Left have a near congenital problem with the most basic concept of language… that words actually mean something specific, and are not merely tools with which to attack others in ignorant abandon. Few people are as un-democratic as Democrats, and those on the Left who trumpet diversity, inclusion, and openness are among the most close-minded bigots in society. Meanwhile, liberals are anything but.

    If your purpose here is to be moderately annoying with your incoherence and your insults, you’ve been moderately successful, though as you have pointed out yourself, you are easily enough ignored.

    If, on the other hand, you have something to say that might be worth someone else’s attention, then slow down, think about what you’re saying, give up the insults and the sarcasm, neither of which you’re especially good at, and focus on the conversation at hand. You’ll be amazed at the results.

  • Hannitized

    Yeah, sure! Just like Arnold Schwartzeneggar does!

    WHAT A VICTORY for Conservatism!

    Well, Dems don’t care HOW you get there, as long as you get there.

  • Hannitized

    both Powell and Shinseki were wrong. End of story. The President was wise to listen to what they had to offer, and then doing the right thing,

    Juvenile! Here is your translation: You’re dumb, were right, end of story.

    First, now that we are starting to get a handle on Iraq, what was the cost incurred due to NOT listening? If we had the correct troop levels in at the time, we could have saved….thousands of lives, both war-fighter and civilian and billions of dollars. I am sure this means nothing to you since you have no intellectual honesty, but, that aside. How many/much could we have saved?

    Second, there is nothing certain about the Iraqi situation to begin with. We have no idea what this grand experiment will produce. I am keeping my fingers-crossed.

    Third, I am certain that when we were loosing this battle, you were saying the Dems were right, correct?

    Why do you even bother Robert?

  • Bat One

    H,

    First, you may call it pretentious. You may call it whatever you like. But that does not change the fact of what I’ve said one iota. I wouldn’t expect you to like being criticized. None of us does. But your disapproval hardly invalidates the criticism, does it?

    On the contrary, you seem to have gone out of your way to prove my point, rather than your own. Your quotes regarding General Shinseki point to a deliberate effort to undercut what he was saying, rather than ignoring him as you previously stated. If there was a systematic and sustained effort by Secretary Rumsfeld to discredit Shinseki, the obvious point of the quotes you cite, that would indicate that he was not being ignored at all. Quite the opposite. But his advice was being ignored, which was my point, thank you!

    That said, I see you have no such defense for Colin Powell, who you included in your initial accusation. Good! My point again. Powell, who was personaly charged with securing Turkish permission of passage, failed to do so. The resulting delay in the deployment of the 4th ID and the interim “thinning” of other deployments to cover the shortage left by the absent 4th ID 5 weeks in transit.

  • Hannitized

    Oh wait, i forgot my apology.

    I am sorry for using the wrong words to communicate with you Bat. Hopefully I didnt drive you crazy with my use of the word, ignore? Wait, I don’t mean literally that I sat on top of you and steered you towards crazy town, I mean, mad you nuts. Oh, wait…i dont mean that I literally turned you into a Walnut, but that I made your mind go sort of loony. And when I said “I made” I didnt mean that I actually crafted with my own hands.

    Get the idea?

  • robert108

    How many/much could we have saved?

    Second, there is nothing certain about the Iraqi situation to begin with.

    Since you acknowledge that there was nothing certain about the Iraqi situation, how then can you confidently state that there would have been fewer casualties? Moreover, more troops usually means more casualties, so you are wrong there, too. Do the math: more troops, more targets, more hits. Get it?

    Third, I am certain that when we were loosing this battle, you were saying the Dems were right, correct?

    In the first place, we were never losing the battle, so your question is meaningless. I always know the Dems are wrong, in any case.

    I bother because your combination of arrogance and ignorance just cries out to be refuted. Not only that, but you are so wrong that it’s easy to refute you.

  • robert108

    H: Your personal emotional problems notwithstanding, both Powell and Shinseki were wrong. End of story. The President was wise to listen to what they had to offer, and then doing the right thing, which has led to our success, despite the Dem/MSM jihad against him and against the war.

  • Bat One

    Both Colen (sic) Powell and Shinseki were ignored, if not worse, by Bush when it came to proper troop levels. Both were treated as incompetents by the Bush administration. Why do you pretend to not know this?

    H,

    Is English your second language, perhaps? Are you any more adept with your native tongue. To say that someone’s advice was not taken is not at all the same thing as saying that the individual was ignored. Unless you figure out how to be a good deal more accurate with the facts and articulate with the language you’ll never get anyone to pay attention to what you say… much less agree with you.

    Besides, the question of troop strength would have been all but moot if the US’ top diplomat, Secretary of State Powell, had managed to get the Turks to live up to their initial commitment to allow the Army 4th ID passage to northern Iraq. The 5 week delay in getting the troops where they were supposed to be allowed the Sunni “insurgency” to take place in exactly those provinces where the 4th Division was tasked to be, leaving more troops to cover Baghdad as originally planned. Powell’s “advice” would have been irrelevant had he done his job.

  • Ombre Rose

    I meant he can beat a Dem.

    Hannitized on December 16, 2007 at 02:47 pm

    Yeah, sure! Just like Arnold Schwartzeneggar does!

    WHAT A VICTORY for Conservatism!

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Theme Design
Conversions and Relocations
Hacked Site Recovery
Mobile Apps Development