And then some have the gall to demand that we ignore that.

Yeah, right. Go bark up another tree.

But, this time I have to head back to work soon and I don’t have either the time or the interest in contributing to your inferior education and sagging intellect. As usual you choose to attribute emotions that are not present and to attack facts not in evidence so that you might stroke your own massive ego.

Whistler and Rob and others knew I was using that artisticaly licensed line solely to deflate the false idea that if Huckabee was nominated he could get ever actually be elected. By the way, Rob said that no matter what he would never vote for Huckabee, even if nominated, which kind of allows a little of the hot air to escape from your vacuous cranium, doesn’t it my personality challenged foe.

Since he has military training he’s made a adjutant to the commander and takes over more or less in the final assault when the commander is killed.

Is the title “If this goes on?”

(1) I suspect whoever above suggested that Huckabee was proably referring to outlawing abortion on demand and homosexual marriage seems to have captured the right spirit of his comments in my opinion. Of course, he should have said he wanted to outlaw these things and not that the Constitution should be amended to conform to the Word of God. Actually, I think the Constitution should be amended quite rarely and not in any emotional reaction to anything, which always produces bad law.
(2) Whoever suggested that the 1st Amendment was written to prohibit government from becoming entangled with religion, as in authorizing a state church; and not to prevent religion from influencing government, was on target and better understands the 1st Amendment that many others commenting here.
(3) Any suggestion to keep religion out of the public square betrays a gross ignorance of the Constitution and a clear anti-Christian bias that is most unattractive and dangerous to our liberty.
(4) Huckabee is hardly crazy (A psychiatric disorder) nor an idiot (I.Q. below 25), he is passionate about his faith to the exclusion of others not sharing that faith, it is quite unseemly how he is using his faith to garner votes; but at the end of the day, much to the horror of anti-Christian bigots here at SA, even if elected POTUS he cannot impose his Christians beliefs on the Congress or the people and therefore he presents absolutely no danger at all to our constitution or way of life. This is all unreasoning hysteria without purpose. Huckabee will not get nominated or elected POTUS, so this anti-Christian energy is wasted effort and could better be used to highlight Huckabee’s liberal record as Governor of Arkansas and to promote the best conservative candidate, at least in my opinion.

Quite the opposite, virtually all of them believed in teaching the Christian Bible in all our public schools, using tax money to help the Christian faith to prosper and in every way felt there was a positive, salutary influence of the Christian faith on our nation.

Public schools are a modern construct in their current form, so it is impossible to say that they supported something in a form that is completely new. Not a fair argument. They supported prayer as an integral part of most of their meetings and didn’t prohibit it, which of course I have no problem with.

I take major issue with any kind of government assistance targetted towards “Christians” when the very definition of Christian is so vague and problematic. You have stated repeatedly that you do not believe Mormons are Christians, as Gene and many others have agreed with. So if one is to offer assistance to Christian organizations, one would assume that Evangelicals would preclude offering assistance to an organization like Deseret Industries run by the LDS church.

Therein lies the problem. When Evangelicals talk about wanting a more Christian nation, that can easily be translated into wanting a less Mormon or less Catholic or less Muslim or less Jewish nation since each of these groups has different values and beliefs. Basing our government’s values on Evangelical’s notion of right and wrong is harmful to other faiths. Hence why the founders clearly believed government should make no laws establishing a national religion and that can be extrapolated into saying that government should not favor one religion over another, regardless of the historical context of the founding father’s beliefs. At the time, there were no Muslims. There certainly were no Mormons since the Mormon Church was founded in the 1830′s. There were very few Catholics since we were settled primarily by Protestants from England.

Government should neither favor nor hinder religious expression. Huckabee is implying that government should conform to Christian values, but that is vague and dangerous. Hence why folks are so upset.

Nailed it.

For my part I’d like to see the government not to be hostile to Christianity.

And BTW, Huckabee is NOT proselytizing here. To proselytize is to bring people into one’s church. Huckabee, rather, is simply advocating that the standards of morality accepted by the state conform to the stanards of morality subscribed to by about 90% of the population.

Is that so sinister?

Moreover, the very laws that Huckabee suggests are simply rooted in the common law of England, which was in turn rooted in the Scriptures. Whether we like it or not, the Judeo-Christian tradition has been powerful in shaping our laws.

And this is a good thing; would we prefer Sharia, or perhaps Marx’s ethics, as our guide?

And let the “cross” go. It’s a window frame, silly.

Muslims believe that too. It is called Shari’ah Law. Places like Iran have guys like Huckabee talking about Allah’s law being absolute.

I only wonder why Huckabee would choose to exclude Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholics, and so on from the political process. See, Evangelicals are not the only Christians out there. Each group has different doctrine and Huckabee certainly doesn’t speak for all of us. So how do we come up with one standard on what God’s law actually is?

But Dobson and Huckabee don’t believe Mormons are Christians and Bob Jones doesn’t believe Catholics are either. When he says shit like this and when you combine it with the religious bigottry he showed regarding Romney, it scares the holy hell out of me.

a clause ensuring that our national government would be a secular government.

Rob,

I don’t think freedom of religion makes government wholly secular. Now I know that our creed, that all men are created equal and endowed with unalienable rights, is philosophical and not religious, but the first definately is followed by the latter. American government stops short of establishing a religion, but that is not to say that the religious is completely absent from government or that government must turn a blind eye to anything religious.

As for Huckabees comments, this clip is exactly why he could never win the Presidency. This sort of non-sense is exactly what scares the hell out of people. The idea that our constitution should be ammended to follow Christian doctrine is utterly ridiculous.