How Rank Partisanship Has Ruined Debate Over The Iraq War

On March 20th of 2003 – three years, six months and 11 days ago today – we invaded Iraq. There was no small amount of debate over whether or not we should invade prior to that date, but authority for ultimately invasion passed Congress with a fair amount of bi-partisan support (296-133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate). Unfortunately, even after said three years, six months and 11 days have passed, some in this country are still in pre-invasion mode in that they’re still talking about the reasons we went to war. They’re still questioning, still asking if invading was the right decision.
These people are, by-and-large, Democrats.
Now don’t get me wrong, from a historical standpoint a certain amount of introspection is a healthy thing. That’s why we study history. To find out what we did in the past and determine what worked and what didn’t. But for those of us trying to live in the here and now all this rehashing of the past isn’t very productive. The people doing it – again, Democrats – just can’t seem to realize that for better or worse we are in Iraq now and cannot make ourselves feel better simply by pulling our troops out and pretending as though it never happened.
Yet that is exactly what Democrats want us to believe. They want the American public to buy into the idea that we can cut-and-run redeploy our troops from Iraq immediately and return America to a pre-9/11 mentality when we weren’t at war and Islamic terrorism was just something you saw in second-rate action movies. Unfortunately for Democrats, that just isn’t true. The leader of the terrorists we’re fighting in Iraq (though more spiritual than actual) has pointed to America’s policy of cutting-and-running from military operations in the past when things got tough for us as support for his theory that America could be defeated because it is unwilling to get its hands dirty in a sustained war. This is a statement that is, interestingly enough, supported by the summary findings from the recently leaked/declassified National Intelligence Estimate. That report stated: “Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.” Which implies that the opposite is true as well. If jihadists leave Iraq feeling, and appearing, as though they have won (or even simply not lost) against the west’s greatest power then more Muslims will be inspired to join the jihad.
While some Democrats may now question the wisdom of invading Iraq, and may well have opposed the war before we even invaded, they simply have to understand that retreating from Iraq on any grounds other than a complete victory is absolute folly in terms of the larger war on terror. Whether these Democrats like it or not, we are in Iraq and failure to win there will hand the terrorists a massive victory that will only embolden them to carry on their jihad against the west.

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  • http://Array robert108

    “Imposing democracy” is an oxymoron. Think about it. It’s pretty much like “imposing freedom”. I’m going to “force” you to be free.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Let’s see; he said it would be a long-tough road to tranform Iraq and Afganistan into democracies.

    So far it’s been a long-tough road.

    Who says that he needed to learn anything.

    Besides turning the dessert into glass, what’s the solution to the crisis of worldwide Islamic jihad?

  • gregdn

    Robert:
    I think every Sunni in Anbar province knows someone in the insurgency and every Shiite in Sadr City knows who’s in the death squads.
    The fact that they don’t turn these guys in tells me where their loyalties are.
    If we stay there two hundred years we’ll never turn it into a functioning democracy.

  • robert108

    gregdn: You apparently haven’t been listening to the terrorist leaders. For them, a “win” is to destroy Israel and the United States, and they think that if they can drive us out of Iraq, they are on their way to achieving their goal. Your defeatist thinking about Iraq is an illustration of why the Dems should not be allowed back in power in this country until the terrorists have been killed.

  • gregdn

    Whistler:
    Pulling or troops out of the Middle East would be a good start.

  • robert108

    gregdn: You are simply wrong, like defeatists tend to be. Cutting and running from Iraq hands then a win, which they will use to recruit more terrorists. They have already struck once in the US; 9/11, remember it? The reason they haven’t done so again is partly our aggressive intel approach, and partly our aggressive moves into Afghanistan and Iraq; with Iran soon to follow, I hope. OBL already stated that he was encouraged to attack us further by our shameful cut and run in Somalia. Why do I have to point out the obvious to you?
    BTW, what I actually said was that the stated goal of the terrorist leaders was to destroy Israel and the US. You morphed that into something else. At least be honest and don’t try to put words into my mouth.

  • gregdn

    Rob:
    I think a better question is has GWB learned anything from the Iraqi adventure? The notion that we can impose democracy on countries is still being pushed at the policy level.

  • gregdn

    Robert:
    That was a rather quick jump from ‘driving us out of Iraq’ to ‘Destroying the U.S.’.
    Again, Iraq isn’t ours to win or lose. Rather than ‘defeatist’ I see this as a ‘Realist’ point of view.

  • robert108

    gregdn: Do you really not know the answer to that question? For about thirty years, Saddam was the absolute dictator of Iraq. Do you know what that means? He destroyed the infrastructure of the country, so that the majority of the population(80%) had no means to resist. Just deposing Saddam didn’t magically transform the country into an independent, self-sufficient nation. Duh! I can’t believe you don’t know any of this. What we are doing in Iraq is the key to the transformation of the Middle East into a modern civilization.

  • gregdn

    Robert:
    “For the Iraqis to win, we have to defeat the terrorists in Iraq.”

    Why can’t the Iraqis defeat the terrorists? They know who they are; we don’t.

  • robert108

    gregdn: To straighten out some of your confused thinking: For the Iraqis to win, we have to defeat the terrorists in Iraq. Thought that was obvious, but…

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    OH! Is that where I saw that? …So how do they hope to create more havoc for our beloved President? UNANIMOUS cannot be disputed. Hmm????

  • robert108

    gregdn: Despite your suppositions, Iraq is already a functioning democracy, a parliamentary one. They may have a long way to go to have a representative republic, like us, but that is their choice. The point you seem to miss is that they now have that choice, whereas they were simply slaves of a murdering dictator before. You may think that is nothing, but the Iraqis don’t.

    If we stay there two hundred years we’ll never turn it into a functioning democracy.

    That is the epitome of defeatism.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    The notion that Anyone can impose torture chambers and murder and rape and destruction to property and thumb their noses at the World and Inspectors is the real question. GWB has stood strong and has not wimped out! Democrats and Republicans UNANIMOUSLY voted and IF there is anyone with anything to learn it is Dems. We have some serious issues as Americans that must be faced together. I admire the Dems for finally taking the stand for the war against Radical Islamic Terror…

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Rob…The Senate passed a $70 billion dollar Bill for spending in Iraq and Afganistan. UNANIMOUSLY: In complete approval, Without dissent, Of one mind…Democrats and Republicans, Conservative and Republican.

  • robert108

    Pulling or troops out of the Middle East would be a good start.

    According to the NIE report, it would be a good start in encouraging more terrorism, and encouraging the terrorists who would see it as a win. You want us to lose; at least be honest enough to admit it.

  • gregdn

    Robert:
    I don’t think Iraq is ours to ‘win’ or ‘lose’. We’ve done all we can. It’s up to the Iraqis and, quite frankly I don’t think they’re up to the challenge.

  • gregdn

    Rob:
    That’s a fair point; they did vote for a democratic government, but I don’t think their culture will ever allow it to evolve. They’re loyal to kith & kin not country.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Pulling or troops out of the Middle East would be a good start.

    Greg, I don’t think that handing the jihadists a major victory is a good solution to the solution of global jihad.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The notion that we can impose democracy on countries is still being pushed at the policy level.

    Have we imposed democracy on the Iraqis? Seems to me that their government was designed by leaders elected by the Iraqis themselves.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Yes, I saw that Zsa Zsa. Even posted on it.

    It is strange how, when Democrats are asked to put their votes where their mouths are, they usually end up supporting the war.

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