“You assume that pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion. They are two different issues. Not all people who are pro-choice are pro-abortion.”

During the civil war, there were people who believed Africans were people and wanted to get rid of slavery. Then there were people who TRULY believed they were sub-humans… apes… and wanted to keep them as slaves.

And then there were people who didn’t know for sure, or didn’t care, or just didn’t want to go to war. They wanted the south have their choice, and let the north have their choice.

As we know, that was not a time to be pro-choice. Neither is this a time to be pro-choice. Thankfully, there are LOTS of outlets now for women in crisis, of which a few I’ve been affiliated with. There can and should be more. But one of them should NOT be abortion.

DNA tells the tale: At the moment of conception, a unique human DNA profile is formed, and that defines a human being. Every abortion kills a human being; if you can justify that on the basis of convenience, you can justify killing anyone, if you can marshal enough “reasons” to do so. Abortion is a savage, ignorant and disgusting practice.

Those who support abortion should be killed as they are nothing but “globs of cells”.

What’s good for the goose…

“You assume that pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion. They are two different issues. Not all people who are pro-choice are pro-abortion.”

But the leaders of the “pro-choice” movement are all pro-abortion. (That’s where the money is!)
They get apoplectic if adoption or counseling or waiting periods or information about any alternative to abortion is proposed.

If you answered “Yes” to any of those criteria then you must recognized that partial birth abortion is nothing less then murder at least.

There are certain points in gestation I agree it becomes human. And unless the mothers life is at risk, it should not be used as birth control.

Of course in cases of rape or incest, I think the right to abort is justified, but depending on the phase, just not morally so, according to some.

As I think about it, your reducing an infant to “a glob of cells” is really creepy, as you can describe any human being- in fact, any living organism on the planet in those terms

Yeah, well a tree has cells as well, and it is not any more human that a few dividing cells either. But, at least I am trying to be rational. How about you?

You are just emoting.

As I think about it, your reducing an infant to “a glob of cells” is really creepy, as you can describe any human being- in fact, any living organism on the planet in those terms

You cannot openly argue the merits of killing children. They have to be dehumanized for the tactic to work. That’s the whole point.

Regardless, there is no scientific argument in favor of abortion.

There is no scientific argument against abortion either.

And while you can make a good moral argument against abortion, you cannot make a winning argument that government should legislate morality. So convenience, as an excuse for abortion, is as good excuse as any other.

Well, if you believe that, then you should be pro-choice when a baby can kill the whole being of the person who would bear the child.

Yes, that’s called triage.

http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2006/07/wad_of_cells_does_not

An opinion piece from a pro-abortionist.

http://stemcell.taragana.net/archive/clump-of-cells-does-not-mean-human-life/

A pro-stem cell blog filled with outright deception.

If by “emotional feeling”, you mean “scientific fact” then yes. At conception, a unique human life is created. It slowly divides to become heart, lungs, brain, etc.

At what stage?

And please, you don’t care about murder of innocence. If you can justify the death of innocents in war, especially your pet Iraq war, you have no morals. No consistent morals anyway.

If a greater good is served to go to war, than so to is a greater good served when a glob of cells has been removed, especially in the case of a mother who can die by carrying the child, rape or incest.

One could even argue that America is served by abortions. Im not interested in making that argument.

And you aren’t worth it.

WHFF puts his foot in his mouth:

You worship the socialist state and its power over the individual. The state and the liberal politicians you worship that run it can never be wrong.

That’s a lie. First, YOU are the one suggesting the state should make laws banning abortion, I am for liberty in this area.

I am also for liberty when it comes to legalizing marijuana. I am also for liberty when it comes to gay marriage.

Why do you support the state monitoring us an the big nanny?

You hold life cheaply. Your views on abortion are just…..monstrous.

How so? I said it should only be used in the case of incest or rape or if the mothers life is in danger, not for birth control.

You aren’t very bright. Are ya?

You view women are nothing more than convenient holes put there for your pleasure to be cast aside. All your boasts about your exploits show you view women as……almost like non-persons.

Please, your inability to read me is embarrassing for you. I had dinner with an ex last night and after dinner she said to me that by watching me talk about my other relationships she can see that I am a truly great guy.

Many women say that by meeting me I have added to their lives helped them grow spiritually. All my ex’s are my close friends.

No man would ever want you to meet his daughter or to have you as a son-in-law.

Keep conning yourself lil guy.

but rather empirical facts which moral values are superadded to as one’s political or religious agenda dictates.

You mean what our coexistence dictates. Without morality there would be no justice, no order, no society.

You aint going to convince me a glob of cells is a human.

herpes, at what point in your fetal development did you change from a “glob of cells” into a human being?

Do you ever think what would be if your parents were so cavalier about life as you are?

I’ve read many of the things you post on here and two things stand out, which are related.

You worship the socialist state and its power over the individual. The state and the liberal politicians you worship that run it can never be wrong.

You hold life cheaply. Your views on abortion are just…..monstrous. You view women are nothing more than convenient holes put there for your pleasure to be cast aside. All your boasts about your exploits show you view women as……almost like non-persons. No man would ever want you to meet his daughter or to have you as a son-in-law.

You can deny and obfuscate about these two deep personality flaws all you want, but everyone else familiar with your posting can see it. You have sociopathic tendencies and are mentally ill.

It amazes me how quickly people cry “morality” when they want their opinions and behavior protected from the conscience of others or society as a whole. It’s similar to playing a game of tag where that one piece of playground equipment is ‘safe’. It always seemed a little unfair that whoever was being chased had that advantage. Whoever was ‘it’ would have to find a way to maintain a pursuit angle that prevented his targets from reaching ‘safe’. I preferred the game without ‘safe’ where everyone had to rely on their own abilities to avoid hearing “tag, you’re it.”

Morality is human. Whether you believe it is relative or absolute makes little difference because morality is necessary for society. Imagine a society without any moral boundaries whatsoever. It would be an utterly terrifying disaster. Morality is the truest friend of a just society. Remember that the next time you want to discount the morality of an argument, especially when discussing something as serious as abortion.

A glob of cells. How many different ways do I need to state it to your dense ass?

I don’t know. I’m allergic to bullshit and sneeze profusely when you utter your pro-abortion crap.

By the time a woman realizes she is pregnant, the fetus is starting to develop eyes, arms, jaws, etc.

As your two sources above prove, abortion lovers can’t make their points without lying.

Look, you are trying to hang your hat on your emotional feeling. You aint going to convince me a glob of cells is a human. Period, end of story.

If by “emotional feeling”, you mean “scientific fact” then yes. At conception, a unique human life is created. It slowly divides to become heart, lungs, brain, etc. There is no point during this that it is not unique human life. But it’s nice to pretend there’s this line that divides human from non-human. There is nothing to that argument but pure emotion.

lik’s position is clearly flawed. that sort of generalization would have us saving our fingernail clippings.

developmental biology tells us that there is no specific threshold where these zygotes become humans. normal old biology tells us that species are fictions, making the world ‘human’ a nominal convention. murder does not include abortions, by definition. definitional knowledge and scientific knowledge are different. definition based knowledge is called ‘analytic’ knowledge as one can have it by using the correct definitions and analyzing the situation. synthetic knowledge comes from definitions and from empirical knowledge of the world. murder is analytic. ‘human’, if it denotes, needs to be analytic because ‘species’ are pre-Darwinian fictions. ergo, this is an analytic problem and not a scientific or synthetic problem. naturally – it hinges on legal definitions.

if you wish to push it back to right and wrong, we can do that, but those are cultural norms, bounded by a culture, language, etc. i think the case needs to be made definitionally because the science does not contain moral facts, but rather empirical facts which moral values are superadded to as one’s political or religious agenda dictates.

The biggest reason abortion is wrong is because it is not practiced as a no other choices solution to a life and death situation, but rather as a convenience. When killing anything is felt to be okay for such a low level of importance as personal convenience, then there’s something seriously awry with human conscience.

Liberals look on warfare and cry crocodile tears over collateral damage and lateral casualties, but they are in favor of killing the least able to defend themselves for the sake of personal convenience, the same reason we have fast food and paper towels. A new life reduced to nothing more than a spill on the kitchen linoleum in the human mind.

On top of it they are frequently cynical haters of their own species, figuring the world would be better off with few to none of us. They also have a frightening tendency for seriously supporting eugenics, euthanasia, sterilization and enforced poverty to name the top methods for population control which they embrace.