Hollywood Has Lost It’s Flipping Mind

Tonight I managed to stumble across the story of Kenneth Pinyan, a Seattle man famous for, well, having sex with horses and posting the video on the internet. Something that didn’t exactly make him famous until one of his horse/man liaisons in 2005 did some serious internal damage and he died.
While Mr. Pinyan’s story probably inspires some level of morbid fascination in the sort of people who slow down to look at traffic accidents, his bestial escapades aren’t why I’m posting on him. I’m posting on him because some Hollywood yahoos actually made a movie about his life, and it was one of 16 winners at the prestigious Sundance Film Festival.
No, I’m not kidding you. It’s called Zoo, and it’s even got a poster:

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This is apparently what is passing for high-brow entertainment among Hollywood’s liberal elite these days. Just listen to the director talking about this movie – which, again, is about a man who had sex with horses as a hobby – as though it were some sort of a political statement:

This was a guy who was a conservative man at one point, and those ideas started breaking down for him. I think that 9/11 triggered a lot of it. But he was [also] in the center of one of the most secretive military complexes. Meanwhile, he listened to a lot of left-wing radio, he questioned everything our government was involved in, and he was ethically conflicted about his job and the money he was making. That’s the core fascination for me.

He was a conservative who was turned from the dark side by 9/11! He started questioning the government and listening to left-wing radio! The next thing you know he was boinking horses! It’s all very fascinating!
I’m not sure a person could get more pretentious even if they majored in it in college.

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  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Even if one were to review a law on the Rational Basis standard of review, that means, giving the legislature the benefit of the doubt as to its validity, sex with animals would not pass the test.

    We have been seeing too many animal-bourne viruses that are posing clear and present danger to human populations, be it the Avian Flu virus, known as A(H5N1), mad cow and new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, prions, bovine spongiform encephalopathy, scrapie, BSE, CJD, CWD, TME, and TSE. It is my understanding that, in one way or another, HIV-2 in Africa has jumped from monkeys to Africans.

    Many of these diseases are deadly. Some have no cure. Governments are formed, under our Constitutional form of Representative government, for the common defense (Federal) and for the health, safety, morals and welfare of the people (State).

    Goat-fucking, dog-fucking, horse- or-anything-other-than-opposite-sex-human-fucking has PROVEN to be a vector to deadly, and incurable diseases.

    Government would be remiss should it fail to outlaw such practices on health and safety concerns alone.

    But we are not relegated to just such academic concerns. Law is very much legislated morality. It is the root of all law. Does the population have a say in how societal norms that it lives under?

    Yes, that is our form of government. We elect those who reflect what we believe, and — under the way it is supposed to be — they go to the state capitols, or Washington, DC to make sure it happens.

    At least that’s the plan.

    I see no reason, morally, legally or ethically, why the practice of sex with animals should be considered anything other than filthy, deviant — and dangerous — behaviour.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Hah.

    This thread brings a whole new connotation to the phrase ‘Cowpoke. ‘

    The Left are dancing around this issue, and at least one is coming right out and doing their best imitation of Dr. Ruth and saying in effect that ‘”iff zee chikken likes eet und no-vun iss hurt, zen it is okay.

    But it’s not okay.

    Ours is a Judeo-Christian society with laws that stem from morality, and morality which stems from our Bible — this country having at least a 90 percent population claiming nominal Christian affiliation.

    It goes without saying that we have moral imperitives against having sex with animals, those of the same sex, those related too closely by blood (cosanguinity) and those too young, or too mentally infirm to be legally able to form consent.

    It is no secret that it is the Left in it’s long march through the institutions wants to destroy religion as a guiding light. That is not a theory, that is not for tinfoil-hatted conspiricists. That is and has been the long-term objective of the Left.

    Once religion has been so defamed, so corrupted, so marginalized as to having no moral legitimacy, the Left are free to substitute their version of right and wrong, and this is plain for all to see on a daily basis — known to us here in the West as politically correct. If you have any doubts as to whether this is true, true venturing a Politically- Incorrect opinion in a white collar workplace or in today’s federally-controlled and Ritalin-doped schools.

    You’ll lose your job or be bounced from school.

    The Left made it their business to take over the entertainment industry — and they have. The result is daily tripe and garbage like this.

    There is no more Leave it to Beaver and heroism and manliness in the manner of John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Charles Bronson. Their kind are now gone from the screen, replaced by Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

    Another dodge the Left loves to take — as soon as one aspect takes on a negative connotation, is to give it a non-left label. Here the pig-fuckingis-OK professor Pete Singer is transformed from a Leftist to a Libertarian.

    PAH!

    Robert Anson Heinlein would roll over in his grave.

    An example of this re-labelling is WWII. Hitler and Mussolini were Socialists. Stalin was a Socialist. But after telling the Soviet masses about the international brotherhood of socialism for so long, they couldn’t turn around and tell the workers and peasants to fight their erstwhile brothers. The sudden change of heart took place after the joint Nazi-Soviet attack on Poland But it was the German attack on Russia — Operation Barbarossa — that really did the trick.

    The Soviets couldn’t call the Nazis, their new enemies, “National Socialists” anymore. That would cause confusion. They adopted one of the symbols Mussolini was using to still up patriotic feelings in Italy, the old Fasces
    or an old symbol of authority used by the ancient Romans. Germans suddenly became Fascists.

    What did that have to do with Germany? Nothing, but by calling them, and any enemy, “Fascists” they had a name they could spit with contempt that didn’t have the title socialist in with the mix.

    And so it is here. The same Peter Singer offered up as an authority to say Goat Raping is Okay, is suddenly NOT Left.

    But he was.

    Let’s face it, the Left is the home to every power- hungrey, Earth-shoe wearing, unwashed, unshaven, dope-infested, goat-raping, boyscout molesting misfit that ever walked the Earth.

    They all get to congregate under the numerous flags and banners of the Left, where Anarchists, Tree-huggers, Rainbow- and-KY-Jellied perverts have new moral authority and validity.

    Got it?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Leftists FYI,

    The rest of the regulars here have a different philosophy with regard to engaging Leftists in debate. I would venture to characterize it as friendly contempt. The result is a back-and-forth discussion and a lot of points are brought out, so in that light, the debate is useful. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of Conservatives sitting around, nodding gravely in unison — which is pretty boring.

    Another aspect of this back-and-forth is what I call the PeeWee Herman-Francis exchange of insults (you’re crazy, you’re stupid, you’re a liar, you’re disgusting).

    While it may be true in some contexts, I don’t have all that much time, so what little time I have to engage in discussion, I like to research my position and to provide my compatriots with information they can use in their debates — intellectual ammunition if you will.

    I may have said this on several other occasions on previous threads, that it’s the rare Liberal (vs. Leftist) that I will even bother to engage in discussion.

    Why?

    Because anyone who has any intelligence, who, after studying history and seen the repeated inconsistencies between what the Left proclaims and what happens on the ground, the slogans that they are for the Little Guy, and in real life they practice bloody totalitarianism and have slaughtered millions, my take is that person is either self-deluded or basically evil.

    To understand the Left is to understand that it is evil, here on Earth. The Gulags, the Lao Gai, the Berlin Walls, the Boat Peoples, the vChekas, the KGBs, their visceral hatred for Christianity, their wholesale embracing of all forms of addiction and deviancy … all that.. If you had any understanding and comprehension, how on God’s green Earth could you say that is was good?

    I see little distinction between the different brands of Socialism. The the ones in Western Europe seem more benign, but they still are based on the premise that the Government owns and rules the people, and they are but a way-station before devolving into the more malignant forms of Socialism.

    So, in my mind, to argue with a Leftist is akin to arguing with a drunkard or someone who has been brain-damaged. I see it as an exercise in futility.

    For this reason, I don’t normally engage a Leftist, although once in a Blue Moon, it may happen.

    That is all.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I see no reason to object to bestiality

    That way Dave can get rejected by more than one species…

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Um, first of all this film is not a Hollywood film.

    it was one of 16 winners at the prestigious Sundance Film Festival.

    FYI The Sundance Film Festival is not in Hollywood, either. Perhaps the title “Hollywood Has Lost It’s Flipping Mind” refers to the film making industry and not its geographical location. (See: “duh!”)

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    BTW, Planned Parenthood and PETA officials have stated that they think sex with animals is a good thing, except with chickens, as it kills the chicken.

    It seems that we have gotten our mose terrible diseases from having sex with animals – doesn’t that in itself kind of settle the issue?

  • dave

    You’re the one who equates eating hamburgers with the holocaust and house pets with slaves, yet here you are just fine with bestiality.

    I see no reason to object to bestiality so long as the animal does not experience any pain. Why would I? Why do you?

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Chris, even Darwin admitted on his deathbed that macro-evolution was impossible. If you want some real science about origins, there is a link in my little article about Truth

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    jSpin, your “references” are pretty sad, and do nothing to show that you’re not a liar.

    Let’s look at your original statement again:

    BTW, Planned Parenthood and PETA officials have stated that they think sex with animals is a good thing, except with chickens, as it kills the chicken.

    Neither of your links even comes close to proving this statement true. Some of your accusations remain entirely unaddressed. You have not shown yourself to not be a liar.

    I realize that “liar” is a harsh term. But it’s accurate. Even if we give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that you didn’t make it up out of thin air, and that you indeed had a vague memory of reading somewhere that PETA and PP endorsed bestiality, it is obvious that you still felt compelled to make up some of the details of your lie: the “killing the chicken” part, the “good thing” part, and the “officials” part. None of those things is supported by your links. You made those things up to make your lie sound more interesting. But it’s still a lie.

    Stripping away those details, are you even correct in your underlying implication that either organization has *any* official position in favor of bestiality? Well, going by your links, the answer is clearly no.

    In order to prove your case, you would have needed to find some official quotation, page, or document from PP or PETA saying that bestiality is good. Instead you found two right-wing web sites making specious circumstantial arguments making conspiracy-theory type chains of connection between the two organizations and the concept of bestiality.

    First, your PETA “evidence”: Your link was not to a PETA site, nor to a site connected to PETA, but rather you linked to a right-wing web site quoting a conservative columnist from the liberal-leaning San Francisco Chronicle. The article is about how Peter Singer thinks bestiality is not immoral. He does not say it “is a good thing”, as you claimed. He is also, it is important to note, not a PETA official, as you would need him to be to show that you are not a liar. The article quotes a real PETA official, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk, who does not endorse bestiality herself, but rather she gives an uncomfortable defense of Singer in general. She clearly falls short of saying “Singer is a nutjob, and we do not endorse anything he says”, because PETA and other animal-rights groups think his Animal Liberation book is very inspiring.

    The truth is that PETA is officially against bestiality (that’s a link to an official PETA site. as is this, this, and this). The truth is that PETA aggressively lobbies for harsh punishments for animal-rapists in case after case. The truth is that PETA is officially against bestiality. This is the opposite of what you were suggesting. You lied.

    Your accusation, and your puny “evidence”, is the equivalent of (for example) holding George W. Bush accountable for his grandfather’s politics. Grandpa Bush was a big time supporter of Planned Parenthood, and was an open advocate of eugenics.

    — more in next comment —

  • 2Hotel9

    jS, I read through this thread and honestly don’t see anything you need to apologise for. Welcome in! And don’t take davey or Chris too seriously, Chris likes getting all self-righteous and snotty, davey claims he is morally superior because he advocates killing infants,the handicapped(physically and mentally) and the elderly.

    NotAmused, you hate-filled Hatey McHatesalot. How dare you tell people who and what they may have sex with! I bet you look both ways before crossing a street AND wash your hands after using the restroom.
    And yes, I am being facetious.

    As Chris so ably pointed out, even the leftarded Democrat Party morons at PETA are against bestiality.

  • NotAmused

    The difference between humans, and animals, is our sentience.

    Aside from beastiality being disgusting and a major threat to our health as a species, it is downright stupid. What is the real difference between us and animals if we follow such base insticts and channel them into things like that? There’s no logic, no sense, nothing that makes us human in this.

    Personally I think any person that would do that in any way is severely mentally ill.

  • Dave

    Great! Then, with bestiality, let’s also “implement laws” that ban fast food, soda, unprotected sex, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, boxing, and anything that has any potential harmful effects to anyone. What fun!

    (Also, I gather you’re ESL…my apologies if your poor grasp of the English language has caused me to misinterpret your “post.”)

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    California Homosexual Organization Admits HIV/AIDS is “Gay Disease”

    By Gudrun Schultz

    LOS ANGELES, California, October 4, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) — The Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center has abandoned a long-held homosexual activist contention by declaring on billboards posted throughout Southern California that HIV/AIDS is a “gay disease.”

    According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, the Center is trying to address rapidly increasing HIV infection rates among the homosexual population by rallying the gay community to increasing vigilance against exposure to the disease. Activists for the homosexual lifestyle have, until this current development, strongly, and sometimes vehemently refused to admit that the disease is predominantly generated among homosexual men.

    The ad campaign, which is also running in magazines, is in part a response to the findings of public health officials, who have noted that three out of four cases of HIV infections are found in men who engage in homosexual activity, the United Press International reported.

    In 2005 US health officials reported an alarming eight percent increase in HIV infection rates in one year alone among homosexual and bisexual men. The Center for Disease Control also warned that a survey of 15-29 year old men who engaged in homosexual activity “reported that the proportion of unrecognized HIV infection was as high as 77 %.”

    A report by the Public Health Agency of Canada, released in August 2006, revealed a sharp increase in HIV/AIDS infections, with 51 percent of infections found in men engaging in homosexual activity.

    See the ]CDC’s report:

    Yes, but in Africa, more women are getting AIDs. Here’s a theory:

    This explanation— that African women are infected by rapacious men —may be convincing to the radical feminist mind, but it completely begs the question. Why does HIV in Africa disproportionately strike women?

    The answer lies in the medical transmission of HIV/AIDS. The public health sector in many African countries has simply collapsed. African clinics are short of almost everything, from vaccines and malaria tablets to rubber gloves and needles. Little, if any, care is available to African men and women ill with malaria and other tropical diseases. Medical equipment, such as syringes, surgical instruments, and manual vacuum aspirators, cannot be properly disinfected before they are reused. The local blood supply is unreliable.

    Bottom line, the Bible laid out behaviour that was dangerous and food which was ‘unclean’ which has subsequently been shown to make good medical sense.

    Those seeking, so pugnaciously, to say that screwing a pig or goat is just peachy, ask us to overlook the vary real medical dangers of having sex with another species presents.

    If they could just contract a fatal disease and keep it to themselves, I would say ‘have at it’ and we’ll consider them for the next round of Darwin Awards as they die pustulent, cancerous deaths -bye-bye.

    But, they can’t and they don’t. With their deviant behaviour they endanger us all and, at the very least, as NotAmused has so cogently pointed out, they heavily burden us all in many other ways.

    Society is well-advised to maintain this deviant and perverted behaviour as deviant and perverted. If it’s not criminalized in whichever jurisdiction, it should be.

  • NotAmused

    No Dave, I’d prefer it if people decide they want to do stupid things that are harmful (Socially, and physically) ALL of us, that laws were implemented to stop them from doing such stupid things. Like killing people. Such as spreading these viruses.

  • NotAmused

    Whoever said I was a conservative? Currently, I have several impulses I would LOVE to act on… If not for the fact that I have an understanding of what the effects would do to myself, and others.

    Dave, all you have said so far gives me the impression that what YOU want, is the freedom to do anything without considering the consequences that effect other people as a whole. It’s the same thing with those people that have HIV, HIV-2, AIDS, or Genital Herpes, do when they keep on spreading the viruses. It’s,

    “Oh damn, I have a virus, I hope it doesn’t spread to all the people I plan to have sex with in the future.”

    This attitude is what spreads the viruses. No self control, and a ton of selfishness.

  • Dave

    Many of these diseases are deadly. Some have no cure. Governments are formed, under our Constitutional form of Representative government, for the common defense (Federal) and for the health, safety, morals and welfare of the people (State).

    Okay, but this is how liberals justify banning french fries and cigarettes. Conservatives are the ones who are supposed to support individual freedom–you know, allowing people to make their own mistakes so long as it doesn’t directly harm anyone else…that sort of thing.

  • Dave

    I trust robert108… I’ll choose to believe him, despite his not offering any reasons to do so.

    NotAmused:

    Currently, I have several impulses I would LOVE to act on… If not for the fact that I have an understanding of what the effects would do to myself, and others.

    Great! However, you’d prefer it if you never even had that choice to make, it seems; in your world, the government just tells people the right thing to do, and if the people disagree, they get punished. It’s just totalitarianism.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    This is a lie. The main reservoir of AIDS is in the male homosexual population, followed by the IV drug user population. The main transmission method is homosexual anal intercourse, followed by intravenous injection of drugs.

    Maybe in America. But I didn’t say America, did I? So I’m not a liar. Fool.

  • Dave

    NotAumsed

    Oooooooo… A TYPO!!

    If you don’t have a firm grasp of the English language, it’s a really, really bad idea to “correct” other people’s grammar, because you will just look even dumber than you already do.

    I think you mean that we should use beastiality to ban things.

    You think that because you don’t know how to read.

    Wow, your lifestyle costs all of us lots of money, Dave.

    And yours costs all of us freedom. It’s people like you who ban cigarettes and french fries. “Common good before the private good,” eh Comrade?
    You Nanny-Staters make me sick.

  • NotAmused

    Dave, you assume that I don’t understand the english language because I use sarcasm, which you don’t seem to understand. Considering that it is used mostly in english, that tells us a lot, doesn’t it?

    Anyway, I was born in america, grew up in america, have lived my entire life in america, and unfortunately don’t know any other language than american english.

    If it is so important to you, that you consider the use of english a valid point to dismiss a logical argument, then please use perfect puntuation, spelling and grammer yourself.

    Thank you for being overly childish, and showing the rest of us that you are not worth discussing this with.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    Goat-fucking, dog-fucking, horse-
    or-anything-other-than-opposite-sex-human-fucking has PROVEN to be a vector to deadly, and incurable diseases.

    Opposite-sex-human-fucking still is the number one vector for sexually transmitted diseases. AIDS is primarily transferred via heterosexual, vaginal sex.

  • robert108

    AIDS is primarily transferred via heterosexual, vaginal sex.

    This is a lie. The main reservoir of AIDS is in the male homosexual population, followed by the IV drug user population. The main transmission method is homosexual anal intercourse, followed by intravenous injection of drugs.

  • 2Hotel9

    Now it is.

  • NotAmused

    Hmm…. Let’s see… I make a few typos, and he jumps all over me…

    I make valid points, and he mocks because he sees no harm in letting people do things like contract and spread viruses that literally shut down the human immune system, forcing a person to either die, or pay large amounts of money for treatment, or depend on the government to pay for their treatment.

    Wow, your lifestyle costs all of us lots of money, Dave. It also costs us our respect. It costs us our trust of others, because we never know these days if a friend or family member might have a disease that could kill us.

    It costs the individual who contracts the diseases their lives. They are never the same, unless they can afford it, or don’t care, of course.

    Great! Then, with bestiality, let’s also “implement laws” that ban fast food, soda, unprotected sex, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, boxing, and anything that has any potential harmful effects to anyone. What fun!

    Oooooooo… A TYPO!! Let’s see… I think you mean that we should use beastiality to ban things. Is it a force that can alter reality?! Amazing! Let’s see what Dave can do with beastiality!

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    jSpin, your comments are appreciated and I am impressed. I am sure that your mistakes are not ban-worthy. I’ve said a thing or two in my time that, only after clicking “submit”, I realized were probably anecdotal at best, or possibly me stereotyping the object of my comments — that is, shaky facts. The ability to correct one’s own error is rare indeed.

    And kudos to you for actually debating instead of making lame excuses.

  • Dave

    Not Amused:

    Aside from beastiality being disgusting and a major threat to our health as a species, it is downright stupid. What is the real difference between us and animals if we follow such base insticts and channel them into things like that? There’s no logic, no sense, nothing that makes us human in this.

    Should the government ban everything humans do that is stupid, illogical, and nonsensical? That’s the exact same logic liberals use when they ban french fries…welcome aboard!!!

    Both Republicans and Democrats support the Nanny State. It’s just that Democrats want to ban everything that’s unhealthy, while Republicans want to ban everything that’s gross…doesn’t leave much room for individual freedom.

    Ah, and 2hotel9 is a compulsive liar…don’t take what he says too seriously.

  • NotAmused

    NotAmused, you hate-filled Hatey McHatesalot. How dare you tell people who and what they may have sex with! I bet you look both ways before crossing a street AND wash your hands after using the restroom.
    And yes, I am being facetious.

    Hey Dave, please note the last part. He was making a joke… Of you.

    Republicrats, Democans, I’m not any one of them. Neither am I in any other ‘Party’, group, nor associated with any such thing. Such association would make me accountable for THEIR actions, and I do not think that is what I want. Nor do I think that is what they would want, since I condem both ‘Parties’ and anyone who blindly supports a ‘Party’ because that party may possibly support one of your own opinions. Even if they have no intention of doing so.

    What is the purpose of law? I mean, come on, really. Lately, because people do stupid things, we have been implementing laws to stop people from doing stupid, illogical, and nonsensical things for years.

    Are AIDS and other viruses a good thing? HELL NO!! What are the causes? Stupid, stupid people. Not to mention the people that are currently spreading them because they can’t control themselves.

    A judge is supposed to understand and implement ways to keep people from doing stupid, harmful things to themselves and others.

    Anarchy is the other choice.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    Move_Zig, that’s the lamest thing I’ve read in a long time. You begin your post by saying how boring it is when conservatives don’t engage with leftists, then you begin a long-winded and unconvincing excuse about why you don’t engage with leftists.

    Instead of refusing to debate your imaginary debate opponent (this animal you call “Leftist”, a creature I’ve never met in America and I’ll guess that you haven’t either), I suggest you debate me, a real living breathing person who (a) doesn’t believe any of the awful things you claim “leftists” believe, and (b) who actually exists.

    I am not the stereotypical/imaginary liberal you may want me to be, and I am far from a drunkard or brain-damaged, and my posts here on SA while a tad strident have been very articulate and often backed up with research.

    Otherwise, despite your colorful rhetorical protestations to the contrary, you’re just ranting.

    So were you joking about your ape question? Will you answer?

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    No, I do need to be ashamed. I violated my own maxims here. If I just shrug my shoulders and say, “oh, well…” then I might make the same mistake again soon. Besides, when one of us screws up like this we give the opposition lots of ammo. (And glee, right Sparkie?) :)
    So I also hurt you people. Not good.
    Still learning….

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    jspin, as long as you correct your false information asap I don’t see that you’ve done anything to be shamed over.

    Hey, Dan Rather waited two weeks to(kinda)correct his fake-but-accurate Texas Air National Guard -made-up memos … and he’s still the Left’s fair-haired boy.

    Is that the new standard we can go by?

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Dave and Chris:
    Just got back and read your posts. This AM I had about 15 windows up, PETA, PP, and others. Apparently I thought I was getting info from sites I thought were ‘official’, but weren’t. I believe in honesty and accuracy and therefore, as apparently I was VERY wrong, I apologize to you and all concerned and am here to take my whipping. I assure you I did not intentionally lie, as I am not one who is given to such behavior. Nevertheless, one must be sure that one does not give out misinformation. I did. I am sorry, and ashamed at my slothness in the matter. I will be more careful in the future, that is if Rob doesn’t ban me.

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    BTW, Chris, I didn’t make up those other parts, e.g. – the chicken, but got them elsewhere, such as:

    The San Francisco Chronicle, March 20, 2001, in a Debra Saunders piece
    entitled “One Man’s Animal Husbandry,” reports that Peter Singer recently wrote an online book review for a pornographic
    Website in which he defends bestiality. Saunders summarizes Singer’s position thusly: “You can have sex with … [animals]
    but don’t eat them.” On the problem of securing his victim’s “consent,” Saunders paraphrases PETA president Ingrid Newkirk:
    “Singer does not advocate sex that kills or damages animals or requires them to be restrained. Indeed, Singer condemns
    sex between men and hens because it is ‘usually fatal to the hen’.”

    Found here for one.
    I gave out misinformation, but I wasn’t making it up as I went, just screwed up on where it came from.

  • Dave

    You’re not supporting the individual freedom of the horse, Mr. Inconsistent.

    The horse is not rational enough for it to deny consent to sexual activity. Thus, engaging in intercourse with a non-human animal (or a human animal of the same rational level as a horse–such as a coma patient or the profoundly disabled) shouldn’t really qualify as rape.

    In order for one to be “raped” one must have the right to not engage in sex–if not, sex with blow-up dolls could be classified as “rape,” which is absurd.

    Lastly, your objection is obviously not based on a genuine concern for the welfare of animals, or else you’d object to the widespread slaughter of animals that occurs every day on this planet. So why object?

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    So, let’s talk about Planned Parenthood now. You wrote:

    This morning I found this stuff on one of Planned Parenthoods sites

    Again with the blatant lies! That stuff is not from “one of Planned Parenthoods sites” at all! The link, and the article, are from “Concerned Women for America”, a right-wing organization dedicated to bringing “.. Biblical principles into all levels of public policy.” And the article doesn’t even quote any Planned Parenthood sites. There is no reason for you to say that you found it on a Planned Parenthood site except to make your “evidence” sound legitimate when, in fact, it is not.

    In this case, you’ve done nearly the same thing you did with PETA: You’ve quoted an article from a right-wing web site in which an academic person with an agenda similar to that of the organization in question but who is not an official with the organization (in this case, Kinsey, who has in fact been dead for many years) is quoted saying that bestiality is ok.

    Yes, PP uses some of Kinsey’s ideas to support their agenda, just as you probably take drugs which were developed based on some of the science of Charles Darwin. The transistor was developed in part by a eugenicist. Ford Motors was founded by an avid anti-Semite. Ted Haggard is gay. You can’t hold a whole ideology/organization accountable for the beleifs of one person associated with that ideology/organization, especially if that person isn’t even a official of that organization. ANd you can’t just say someone is an official when they are not. That’s not evidence. That’s lying.

    Is the standard for “evidence” so low here at Say Anything that it is considered okay to use right-wing web sites as evidence of what left-wingers are supposed to have said? When the actual offical sites for these organizations actually exist? Has the concept of “original sources” never occurred to you as a fundamental rule of how to win an argument based on facts and not on lies? Do you know how to use Google?

    By the way, I did my own Google searches to see if PP or PETA had such preposterous opinions. I did my Google searches *before* I accused you of being a liar. I knew you would fail to prove your case, and that your quest to prove it would instead be a quest to find other liars to back up your own lies.

    Nice try.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    If Darwain was right..
    and we are descended from Apes..
    how come there are still Apes?

    Move_Zig, are you joking? Do you really not understand the concept of evolution?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Oh my gosh, Dave! You can’t really believe having sex with an animal is not totally Twisted??? Please tell me you are kidding or are saying this just for shock value? Being a vegetarian is one thing BUT having sex with animals is quite another!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think bestiality is gross.

    Sure you do.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    And Move_Zig, seriously: Were you joking when you asked why there are still apes? I mean, that’s about as ignorant and stupid as arguing that because you see the sun rise and set that the sun must revolve around the Earth. Seriously, it’s that stupid.

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Chris,

    You could say Singer’s take on animal rights is: You can have sex with them, but don’t eat them. How does PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, feel about its ideological father endorsing six-legged sex? PETA president Ingrid Newkirk said of the piece, “It’s daring and honest and it does not do what some people read into it, which is condone any violent acts involving an animal, sexual or otherwise.” Newkirk wants America to know that Singer does not advocate sex that kills or damages animals or requires them to be restrained. Indeed, Singer condemns sex between men and hens because it is “usually fatal to the hen.” But can an animal consent to sex?

    Found it HERE, but have seen it elsewhere… will try to find the others…wish I’d thought it important earlier

  • Dave

    I think bestiality is gross. I also think anal sex is gross. Since neither action harms anyone else, I don’t want the government to ban them–I support individual freedom. You don’t.

  • 2Hotel9

    davey playing at moral superiority again?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    What two consenting adults do sexually is entirely different from beastiality. How on earth could that be in anyway shape or form ethical treatment of an animal, if you really are a PETA person?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    You think it is gross, yet you say it ok as long as the government stays out of it? You believe it should be legal? Hmmm?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Oh, I have it…

    The tune to “Doctor Dolittle’s ” If I could talk to the animals, with just a little change to the lyrics…

  • Marty

    Nah, i can complain about the ads any old time, can’t i?

  • kbiel

    The monied elites fascination with perversion is an old, old story. Marquis de Sade ring a bell?

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    And, just for the record, PETA is not a “liberal” organization. I’m not saying that jSpin said they were, but others above have implied as much. Most of us liberals think PETA is crazy.

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    OK, Chris, I’ll see if I can find it – I was just reading it this AM, but didn’t keep the site, so be patient. About the liar thing – I try my best never to do so, or were you referring to killing the chicken (personal experience and all…)?

    (Boy , I hope this guy has a sense of humor!)

  • Dave

    You could say Singer’s take on animal rights is: You can have sex with them, but don’t eat them. How does PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, feel about its ideological father endorsing six-legged sex?

    First, Singer is hardly the “ideological father” of PETA, seeing as they disagree on an enormously key point: Peter Singer does not believe non-human animals have rights, while PETA does.

    PETA president Ingrid Newkirk said of the piece, “It’s daring and honest and it does not do what some people read into it, which is condone any violent acts involving an animal, sexual or otherwise.” Newkirk wants America to know that Singer does not advocate sex that kills or damages animals or requires them to be restrained.

    I oppose laws punishing people for actions that do not harm anyone else–victimless crimes. I oppose them because I don’t like the State restricting individual freedom. Now, since you’re all small government conservatives, why is it that you do put the State over the individual? You cry “Nanny State” when liberals ban french fries and cigarettes–do you not see that they are banning those actions for the same reasons you wish to ban bestiality? How can you not see something so obvious?

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Hey, Sparkie, have you read this?
    Short and to the point…see what you think.

  • Bat One

    It seems that we have gotten our most terrible diseases from having sex with animals…

    So it’s true then, that AIDS was started by gerbils?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    jspin,

    Didn’t anyone tell the Left that you’re not supposed to play with your food?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    If Darwain was right..

    and we are descended from Apes..

    how come there are still Apes?

  • Dave

    Chris Brownell:

    Peter Singer, the Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University, has written that if the animal is not harmed, it is ethical to engage in sex with animals.

    Why do you disagree? It’s okay for humans to slaughter animals if it increases their pleasure, but not have sex with them? You aren’t making any sense.

    Why do you want to deny humans pleasure?

  • dave

    zsazsa:

    Dave, Please think about what you are saying. That is disgusting and WRONG in everyway imaginable!

    I am thinking about it. I never really bought into the conservative line of reasoning: “If it’s gross, let’s make it illegal!”. Until someone can point out who specifically gets harmed by bestiality, I see no reason to punish people who engage in it.

  • Marty

    So it’s true then, that AIDS was started by gerbils?

    Monkeys apparently. ONly it doesn’t kill them.

    It only kills humans who have sex with monkeys (or, as it were humans who have sex with humans who have sex with monkeys).

    I’m sure Chuck Darwin could explain it all to us in non-judgemental (Dave-sex approved) terms.

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Thanks, Move! ;)

  • Pilgrim

    You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone on the conservative side who defended Ted Haggard.

    Excellent point.

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Dave, Please think about what you are saying. That is disgusting and WRONG in everyway imaginable!

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    This morning I found this stuff on one of Planned Parenthoods sites, but hey, I’m old and tired and it’s been a long one…

    The notion of “sexual outlets” is a key component in what his disciples call the Kinsey Grand Scheme. This principle teaches six equally acceptable forms of sexual release: masturbation, nocturnal emissions, heterosexual petting, heterosexual intercourse, homosexual relations, and intercourse with animals of other species. Kinsey firmly believed that none of the forms was abnormal and each could be conducted in a healthy manner. It was only societal disapproval that caused harm. Kinsey also broadened the set of “sexual outlets” to include pedophilia. Kinsey concluded that sex with a child was healthy when both persons gave their consent. Since children are sexual from birth, he reasoned, they can benefit from any behavior that is normal and healthy.6

    Kinsey had strong beliefs concerning how children should be taught about sexual issues. Along with believing that morals have no place in educating children on sex, Kinsey felt that children should be encouraged to explore their natural sexual desires.7

    Although Kinsey’s research has been exposed as fraudulent, sex educators in America who are not basing their message on abstinence still use the “Kinseyan model of human sexuality.”8 SIECUS and PP work jointly to ply school systems with curricula modeled on Kinsey’s research. A report by the American Legislative Exchange Council in April 2004 clearly illustrates the connection among Kinsey, SIECUS and PP. Kinsey’s studies, the report says, are “junk science” that is “taught to American children via sex education.”9

    HERE

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Dave, it’s called “contrary to nature,” and I guess we might say the same thing about the poor guy’s evident encouragement, “Air America” type radio.

    Never mind the basic fact that this guy’s perversion killed him. Doesn’t that count as something that, even in Fred Singer’s purple-sunned world, just might be seen as bad?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Eeeeeeeeeeeeuooeoooeeeooooooooowah!

  • http://www.sayanythingblog.com/ electnixon

    We don’t know if its in pain.

    Yeah, well this thread is causing me pain, therefore it must be wrong. Please cease and desist before I adopt a victim mentality

  • Dave

    The chicken has no means to consent to sexual relations.

    So raping animals drives you up the wall, but slaughtering them is just okey-dokey. Mr. Consistency strikes again!

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Sir, I personally have never had a sexual encounter with another species. I was talking about “us” as a species.
    But, it was a good zinger! :)

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    You people always make that argument!

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Dave, Please think about what you are saying. That is disgusting and WRONG in everyway imaginable!

    That’s our Dave!

  • Pilgrim

    Dave,

    I hope you’re being sarcastic. If not, see my above post for an answer to your question:

    Why do you want to deny humans pleasure?

    Then see a shrink.

  • http://remote-world.com/ jSpin

    Rob, Sorry to post this here, but the contact form wasn’t working…
    Man! You sure have your hands full! Nevetheless, thought you might find food for thought here:

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Yates/steven.htm

    and here:

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43820

    Again, sorry to interrupt.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    BTW, Planned Parenthood and PETA officials have stated that they think sex with animals is a good thing, except with chickens, as it kills the chicken.

    Bullshit. You are a liar.

    Prove me wrong.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    Have any of you considered the possibility that the movie might not actually be a defense of this guy? It might simply be a portrait of a wacked-out crazy person, and might not glorify the guy at all. I’ll bet the filmmakers want you to come away from it thinking “Damn, that guy’s a nut job”. That’s pretty much what I assume it is — why on earth do you people assume otherwise.

    Homosexuality is indeed acceptable by liberals. We think gay people are fine, and that they hurt nobody and that they don’t scare us. Pedophilia and bestiality are not acceptable by liberals. If you think otherwise — if you think we liberals think bestiality is okay — you’re a freaking delusional lunatic.

    Where on earth do you people get that sort of idea? That would be the equivalent of me thinking that you conservatives think that all homosexuals should be shot, that Christianity should be made the official national faith, that pollution is good for the earth, that children should be taught that the Earth is 6000 years old, and that we should nuke everybody in every urban center on earth from New York to Paris to Cairo. It’s an ignorant and frankly childish stereotype of the left and it’s sad that you let such an irrational beleif shape your politics.

    Strangely, many of you are confusing libertarians (like Peter Singer, the Professor mentioned above, or like the commenter named “Dave”, who seems a little nuts to me) with liberals. Peter Singer, and anyone who would actually rise up to defend horse-fucking, are not liberals. They are libertarians, a position which spans the liberal/conservative divide fairly equally.

    Perhaps the title “Hollywood Has Lost It’s Flipping Mind” refers to the film making industry and not its geographical location. (See: “duh!”)

    The whole point of Sundance is to have a film festival in which films that the “film making industry” would not support. Most of the hundreds of films that participate in Sundance, and most of the ones that win awards, do not get any support or distribution from any major film industry entity or corporation. Thus my statement that it is not a Hollywood film, neither geographically nor culturally. In short, I was not stupidly referring to Hollywood as a geographical location, I was using the term in the same way you were. So take you “duh” and shove it.

    Of course people in all areas of the political spectrum can and will be tempted by perversion. But you seem to make a few logical fallacies: 1) That does not mean that everyone in a particular political group will be fascinated and 2) it does not mean that those on the conservative side are hypocrites because a few conservatives might be.

    Nice use of the “straw man” argument (a classic fallacy, by the way)! I never said either of those things. Have fun arguing against your imaginary big mean liberal enemy, but please leave me out of it unless you are going to argue against things that I actually said.

    You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone on the conservative side who defended Ted Haggard.

    That is not an “excellent point” at all. It’s a stupid point: Again, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone on the liberal side to defend Mr. Horse Fucker. The analogy is just dumb. Your weird idea that liberals are somehow defending the horse-fucker is completely a figment of your collective victimist imaginations.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    As long as the animal is not experiencing any pain, why would one object to bestiality?

    What’s the matter, Dave? Can’t get a date?

  • Dave

    Sparkie:

    I feel there may be reasons to illegalize it besides the discomfort of the chicken

    Mind telling us what they are? Beyond a desire to rid humans of as much pleasure as possible, of course.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    “you people”?? Sounds like you’ve got a nice little straw man of your own going on! There’s a wide variety of thought at Say Anything.

    Um, I mean the people who on this very page expressed the precise ideas I was describing (people who “think we liberals think bestiality is okay”) in the paragraph immediately previous.

    I didn’t say “conservatives”. I didn’t say “all Say Anything commenters”. Those would be 100% straw-men, and if I had written either of those things your strawman accusation would be valid. But, instead, you’ve pulled off a strawmen yourself, accusing me of saying something I didn’t say. Nice!

    “You people”, as should be obvious to anyone familiar with common English language rhetorical tropes, referred to the people who actually posted statements consistent with the idea that liberals approve of horse-fucking. Shall I enumerate who specifically I was thinking of? Okay, I will: Rob, Marty, kbiel, Chris Brownell, Pilgrim, Move_Zig, Robert Perry. All of these people explicitly said that they think that liberals support horse-fucking. Which is insane. You (Proof) have not actually said that you beleive that liberals think horse-fucking is okay, but based on your reaction I am guessing that you felt the remark was addressed to you, too. But I can’t tell. In the end, however, it’s not a straw man when I argue against things people have actually said to the people who actually said them.

  • Marty

    Oh shit — spammers have attacked SayAnythingBlog and inserted pay-per-hover links all over the damn place! Rob must be being held hostage somewhere in san diego!

    Help!

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Robert Perry

    Move_Zig, I don’t know about the “boy” part, but there was a movie with Nicole Kidman a year or so back about a woman with a boy, and then there’s the recent Dakota Fanning rape scene.

    Gosh, and Hollywood wonders why I’m not buying tickets…

  • kbiel

    Dave,

    Just because something is legal or doesn’t harm another human or cause pain to an animal doesn’t make it right. That’s the same logical fallacy that liberals have been trying to foist on us since the 60s. We could legalize cocaine, marijuana and heroin for all I care, that still doesn’t make snorting cocaine right or a good thing to do. And I still wouldn’t want the entertainment industry glorifying drug use.

    It’s really funny, because on one end of the liberal spectrum, you’ve got the, “hey, man if it doesn’t hurt the horse who cares,” attitude and at the other end you’ve got the, “we gotta outlaw french fries because people are making themselves fat.” Y’all crack me up.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    It’s purely happenstance, of course, that a Leftist Psychologist would showcase pervsion as being okay, and to go even further, assert that we have to separate is from ought (i.e. discard our established morals) .

    Hollywood, the cultural Left, those who tell our kids what is cool or not, maiking the music and the films, at soirees and wine-and-cheese ataliers, showcasing art like Piss Christ(*) and writing subtle socialist sitcoms, work to destroy Christian concepts of Right and Wrong and are the leading Moral Corrosive in the world today.

    A couple years back it was underage sex with a girl in the film Lolita. Last year is was homosexual cowboys. Beastiality is just the latest in a constant descent into amorality championed by the entertainment industry.

    Soon, if it hasn’t happened already, the film industry will release a cinematic masterpiece, a tour de force, hawking the joys and rightness of love between a man and a young boy.

    * (http://www.freedomszone.com /archives/2006/09/ why_is_a_piss_christ_okay_but.php)

  • Mark D

    He was a conservative who was turned from the dark side by 9/11! He started questioning the government and listening to left-wing radio! The next thing you know he was boinking horses! It’s all very fascinating!

    Man this is weird, I love Brokeback Mountain, I’ve must have seen it a zillion times, the horses are just so….you know.

    Have you guys seen this one yet? Great acting.

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Where on earth do you people get that sort of idea?

    “you people”?? Sounds like you’ve got a nice little straw man of your own going on! There’s a wide variety of thought at Say Anything. Maybe you could try arguing against things that individuals here actually said.

    (Unless by “you people” you meant to say “ewe people” and I wouldn’t dream of coming between you and your girlfriend!)

  • Marty

    PS: Rob, i don’t get the “college” link… unless it’s just an advertisement that pays you when I click through…

    Am I missing something there?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Your weird idea that liberals are somehow defending the horse-fucker is completely a figment of your collective victimist imaginations.

    Spoken like a true horse-fucker…

  • kbiel

    Conservatives are fascinated by perversion as much as anyone else. The difference is that liberals pretend to be merely “interested” in it as a subject of investigation, while conservatives pretend that they are disgusted by it. But in reality, both sides of the spectrum are fascinated by it and both participate in it and consume it.

    That’s a pretty shallow analysis. Of course people in all areas of the political spectrum can and will be tempted by perversion. But you seem to make a few logical fallacies: 1) That does not mean that everyone in a particular political group will be fascinated and 2) it does not mean that those on the conservative side are hypocrites because a few conservatives might be.

    There is a real difference that you point out and twist for your purposes. Yes, most on the liberal side will accept the perversion, not necessarily because they are fascinated with it, but because they are interested in removing the mores and norms that have served our society for thousands of years. Conservatives on the other hand understand that their is right and wrong, and work towards keeping the mores and norms that keep society from falling apart. Sure, all conservatives are tempted by the pleasures of the flesh, and some may be tempted by bestiality, but that does not mean that they do not know the difference between right and wrong or that they will automatically give in to their desires. And the few who give in to their desires while professing disgust will be rightfully excoriated as hypocrites. You’ll be hard pressed to find anyone on the conservative side who defended Ted Haggard.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    jspin, as long as you correct your false information asap I don’t see that you’ve done anything to be shamed over.

    The nature of internet discussion is that a lot of the fact checking comes through the discussion. In the end the truth comes out.

  • Marty

    Don’t forget — both the NEA and PBS underwrite Sundance to the tune of hundreds of thousands of your tax dollars.

    Why? So perverts can be perverts.

  • http://tschidand.blog-city.com/ Chris Brownell

    This is not the first time I have heard of this case, or openly discussed this topic. I wrote a paper for school which also included bestiality, covering the topic of the death of right and wrong.

    Peter Singer, the Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University, has written that if the animal is not harmed, it is ethical to engage in sex with animals.

    Yes you read that correctly, a professor of ethics who holds a chair posistion is telling the world that it is ethical to have sex with the family pet.

    The reason I bring this up is because the liberal gay activists who are working so stridently to dilute the sacrament of marriage will say all day long that they are not doing just that. So when you point out that polygamy and interspecies marriage are the next steps in their bizarre logic, they deny deny deny.

    However with even the simplest of examinations of this flawed logic, we find that movies are produced, people advocate for the sexualization of animals, and slowly we are starting to find instances of human animal marriage.

    From Wikipedia “June 2003 – a nine year old Indian girl of the Santal (or ‘Santhal’) tribe of Khanyhan, near Calcutta was formally married to a dog, in order to ward off a bad omen.” Search on human-animal marriage. Another quote from the same article; “February 2006 – a Sudanese man caught having sex with a neighbor’s goat, was ordered by the council of elders to pay the neighbor a dowry of 5,000 Sudanese diners ($50) and marry the animal.”

    Why not one more quote; “June 2006 – an Indian woman from Bhubaneswar, Orissa, who “who fell in love with a snake”, married the reptile at a “traditional Hindu wedding celebrated by 2,000 guests”. She claimed a bond of understanding of a kind existed between the two. The woman had previously been ill, and recovered upon offering the snake milk, during which time she fell in love. She later “converted to the animal-loving vegetarian Vaishnav sect whose local elders gave her permission to marry the cobra.”

    Not only has ‘Hollywood’ lost its mind, its way and its common sense, so has the liberal elite, leadership, and the amoral among that particular side of the aisle.

    Many of them, will scoff and say its blown out of proportion, or some such clagg, but in reality it is very true and of course very alarming. The same dips who think same sex marriage are just one line in the sand away from accepting one more aspect of cultural and moral decay. How far is it from a “crazy old man or woman” who wants to marry his pet dog to be happy, to someone else convoluting it into a ‘romantic relationship with his horse’? I know for a fact that the PETA lunatics believe animals should have certain legal standing.

    We are witnessing the decay of our culture, step by step, inch by inch, and every one of us pays for the failings of our society. Families suffer, and for what? So we can be ‘tolerant’ and say you can marry the same sex? You can have two wives? You can marry a goat or a dog? It’s okay to have sex with them.

    It is not always easy to do the right thing, and I certainly don’t always succeed at ‘standing on the high ground’, but it is important, and we should all try. Luckily for everyone, what to do and how to do it is laid out in the bible.

    I am out of time but look forward to reading more responses!

    C.

  • http://www.graphpaper.com/ Christopher Fahey

    Um, first of all this film is not a Hollywood film. It’s a Seattle film through and through. I’m not sure which of these two bastions of depravity you guys hate more, Sodom-Hollywood or Gommorrah-Seattle, but I just wanted to get that fact straightened out before you go on blaming this on Hollywood. I mean, get real: Hollywood is so gun-shy about this kind of thing that they won’t touch this movie with a 10-foot pole.

    So anyway, on to your analysis:

    He was a conservative who was turned from the dark side by 9/11! He started questioning the government and listening to left-wing radio! The next thing you know he was boinking horses! It’s all very fascinating!

    You don’t make any sense at all. You are blinded by your conservative-victim mentality, looking for liberal attacks around every corner and seeing them when they’re not there. Listen to yourself: You’re saying that a liberal filmmaker was arguing that it’s a good thing that this guy converted from conservatism to liberalism and then to horse-fucking? That’s nuts, man: you are nuts for interpreting his statement that way.

    What the filmmaker was saying was, essentially “This guy listened to a lot of nut-jobs on the radio, and then he went nuts.” He wasn’t saying anything perjorative about conservatism at all.

    You conservatives have come full circle, it seems, and have fully adopted the victim-culture that exemplified liberalism in the 1980s and 1990s, imagining that you are an oppressed minority and that everyone is trying to keep you down. I guess it all started under Clinton when you guys started becoming just as afraid of the government as the hippies used to be, but now it seems like you’re just afraid of everything.

    Finally:

    The monied elites fascination with perversion is an old, old story. Marquis de Sade ring a bell?

    “Monied elites”? I’d say “everybody”. This is not much of a left vs. right thing, nor a rich vs. poor thing. In fact, I would guess that there aren’t a whole lot of monied elites downloading horse-fucking videos from the Internet.

    Conservatives are fascinated by perversion as much as anyone else. The difference is that liberals pretend to be merely “interested” in it as a subject of investigation, while conservatives pretend that they are disgusted by it. But in reality, both sides of the spectrum are fascinated by it and both participate in it and consume it.

    Which, of course, is the whole reason why an article about horse-fucking is posted on this blog — because conservatives are fascinated by it.

  • Pilgrim

    Which, of course, is the whole reason why an article about horse-fucking is posted on this blog–because conservatives are fascinated by it.

    Great analysis there, Freud. It’s posted here because it’s worthy of comment and criticism. I doubt very seriously if the left wing blogs would dare point at this and say that it’s wrong. Their attitude is that anything goes, anything is alright.

    By the way, are you defending this piece of crap or are you just taking this opportunity to attack conservatives? If that’s the case then you need to sharpen your skills a bit.

    Conservatives are fascinated by perversion as much as anyone else

    This may be true. I don’t think lefties have cornered the market on porn BUT….bestiality is beyond a simple perversion. Call me old fashioned but I think that anyone who indulges themselves with sex with animals is mentally ill, not just kinked up with personal fetishes.

    It’s not alright. It’s twisted and sick. Why would ANYONE think that making this guy’s freakish, twisted life into a movie was a good idea?

  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    Well that’s comforting… What is with Hollywood?

  • Dave

    As long as the animal is not experiencing any pain, why would one object to bestiality? I don’t understand where you guys are coming from on this issue. It’s obvious you don’t care at all about the welfare of the animals, so why would you care what a guy wants to do with his pets in the privacy of his own home?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The chicken has no means to consent to sexual relations.

    Does that means Dave can stop buying them flowers and candy?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    (this animal you call “Leftist”, a creature I’ve never met in America and I’ll guess that you haven’t either)

    ROTFL!

  • Bat One

    You could say Singer’s take on animal rights is: You can have sex with them, but don’t eat them.

    Ya think anyone ever passed this information on to Bill and Monica?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion

    Leviticus 18:23

    So, for the slower among us, this means, even though your dog has given his apparent consent to ‘making love’ by humping your leg — don’t do it.

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  • http://www.willisms.com/ Zsa Zsa

    No way! I don’t bekieve I will be clicking on to check that out. That is reeeeeeally sick. Hollyweird is getting weirder everyday!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    r108:

    This is a lie. The main reservoir of AIDS is in the male homosexual population, followed by the IV drug user population. The main transmission method is homosexual anal intercourse, followed by intravenous injection of drugs.

    I think you meant to put a colon (no pun intended) after ‘lie’ and not a period.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    It is my understanding [hee hee hee] that, in one way or another, HIV-2 in Africa has jumped from monkeys to Africans.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Hey, Sparkie, have you read this?
    Short and to the point…see what you think.

    Yea. I don’t think I’m going to donate much more mental effort to the horse-fucking debate. I am happy to just snipe in when it unfair and accuse middle-aged single ladies of exploiting their housepets for oral sex with the aid of tasty condiments. The unattractive, 40 year old woman entered the pet store.
    “Have you got any breeds of dog that lick people’s eh… faces… alot? I’d like to pay top dollar for a very friendly one.”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Old, Mark. We had those photoshops up a while ago.

    Zsa Zsa, don’t worry. The links in this post don’t go anywhere gross.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    It seems that we have gotten our mose terrible diseases from having sex with animals

    oh have we? speak for yourself jspin!

    doesn’t that in itself kind of settle the issue?

    diseases from your encounters with animals does add credibility. i’m convinced.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Move_Zig
    I thought horsefucking was a christian loophole!? I didn’t think that the bible weighed in on that one? Citation?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    What’s the matter, Dave? Can’t get a date?

    This thread is GOLD! There’s sooo much here!

    As long as the animal is not experiencing any pain, why would one object to bestiality?

    Dave, when I think about a guy screwing a chicken up it poop/egg hole, I feel there may be reasons to illegalize it besides the discomfort of the chicken which, in reality, is something unavailable to us. We don’t know if its in pain. That unavailability, coupled with you compassion (or is it cum-passion?) for animals, should be enough to object to bestiality.
    This is GOLD too:

    You are blinded by your conservative-victim mentality, looking for liberal attacks around every corner and seeing them when they’re not there. Listen to yourself: You’re saying that a liberal filmmaker was arguing that it’s a good thing that this guy converted from conservatism to liberalism and then to horse-fucking?

    You conservatives have come full circle, it seems, and have fully adopted the victim-culture that exemplified liberalism in the 1980s and 1990s, imagining that you are an oppressed minority and that everyone is trying to keep you down. I guess it all started under Clinton when you guys started becoming just as afraid of the government as the hippies used to be, but now it seems like you’re just afraid of everything.

    Bomb everything! Before it threatens our American way of life. Everything is a socialist conspiracy! Everything is unconstitutional too! Its only a matter of time before Everything strikes again domestically. The leftists are god-less Everything sympathizers; aiders and comforters. Hee hee hee.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Chistopher Fahey! Its true, none of the libs I know fuck horses or encourage horse fucking or even think horse fucking is ok.

    Still, the horse fucking fascination does lurk… the movie, Dave, jspin’s rashes, bizarre internet porn sites, that Russain Czarina who was killed trying to fuck a horse when the crane broke and they dropped it on her… woah. Moral is… Girl horse fuckers: Don’t employ cranes during your ‘pleasure time’.

    You really gotta wonder about those old maids with all the dogs and cats that buy a lot of creamy peanut butter… I think, Dave, if you keep your blinds closed, you can get away with quite a bit. Might want to go out and get some Skippy, Skippy!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Dave
    The chicken has no means to consent to sexual relations. Just because it puts its ass in the air when it pecks the dirt does not nec. entail consent to sex.

    You seem to imply that I have a

    desire to rid humans of as much pleasure as possible


    Personally I see it as a slippery slope issue. Its a slippery slope to a society where people lay around raping pigs and chickens all day. We don’t want that now do we?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    jspin, my email address is rob@sayanythingblog.com. I know that contact link doesn’t work…I’ve been trying to fix it.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    So raping animals drives you up the wall, but slaughtering them is just okey-dokey. Mr. Consistency strikes again!

    I think the one who is being inconsistent is you, Davey. You’re the one who equates eating hamburgers with the holocaust and house pets with slaves, yet here you are just fine with bestiality.

    What a clown you are.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    electnixon is offended! everyone shut up. this is totally not republican correct (RC) speech. let’s encourage informal sanctions against anyone who uses non-RC speech.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    The chicken has no means to consent to sexual relations. = Joke

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I support individual freedom. You don’t.

    You’re not supporting the individual freedom of the horse, Mr. Inconsistent.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I see no reason to object to bestiality so long as the animal does not experience any pain. Why would I? Why do you?

    Well, looking at it from your perspective, we are supposed to treat animals like we’d treat humans. Given that animals don’t have the mental capacity to consent to sex, having relations with an animal is about equivalent to molesting a mentally handicapped person. Or a coma patient.

    Not that you’re actually serious about this line of thinking. I suspect you’re just put this argument forward for the shock value.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    Move_Zig

    California Homosexual Organization Admits HIV/AIDS is “Gay Disease”.

    And also the disease of intravenous drug users, sluts, babies of sluts, South African rape victims, and many more… To think its merely restricted to your kind is foolish, Move_Zig.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Marty, when you’re contributing to some of the bandwidth expenses around here you can complain about the ads.

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