Hoeven Votes With Democrats For Expensive Military Green Energy

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We are a nation that’s more than $16 trillion in debt, and running an annual budget deficit of well over $1 trillion. Our national credit rating has already been downgraded once because of debt deficits, and we’re well on our way to a second downgrade.

So a provision in a defense bill that would have prohibited the military from using expensive biofuels (like the “green fuel” the navy was using that cost $26/gallon, four times more than the traditional fuel they were using), unless they’re cheaper than fossil fuel alternatives, makes sense. We need to tighten belts, not squander more money on green energy pipe dreams.

Unfortunately, a Democrat-led effort in the Senate has deleted this provision out of the defense bill, and a number of Republican Senators (including North Dakota’s own John Hoeven) helped them do it.

WASHINGTON (AP) – The Senate has given the green light to the Pentagon’s investment in green energy.

By a vote of 62-37 on Wednesday, the Senate deleted a provision from the defense bill that would have prohibited the military from spending money on alternative fuels if the cost exceeded traditional fossil fuels such as coal, natural gas and oil.

The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sen. Mark Udall of Colorado.

Here’s the vote tally. Democrat Kent Conrad voted yes, which isn’t surprising. Conrad may try to portray himself as a deficit hawk, but he’s a free-spending, tax-hiking liberal and always has been.

But what’s frustrating is that Senator John Hoeven joined Conrad on this vote, as did a number of other Republicans (South Dakota Senator John Thune voted yes too).

No doubt they did so to placate the biofuel lobbyists. Both Hoeven and Thune represent a lot of corn growers, and the government is one of the biggest customers for corn-based biofuels. But that’s no excuse.

Republicans are doing a lot of soul-searching right now, wondering why they aren’t gaining more traction against Democrats in elections. Maybe it’s because of votes like this one which prove that it’s hard to take Republicans seriously when they talk about fiscal discipline.

Shame on Hoeven and every other Republican who voted yes on this bill.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • $8194357

    RINO in the house..
    All we have left anymore IMO..
    FORWARD comrade global citizen..

    • RCND

      It is far easier to count the numbers of true conservative Republicans from North Dakota that it is RINOs.

      • borborygmi

        zero isn’t much of a count. True Conservatives should cheer up they are such a minority they are eligible for all kinds of govt Gifts.

        • $8194357

          Not a illegaly according to Article 28
          “protected class status” as we were the majority
          being deconstructed by marxist ideology and agenda.
          Shoes on the other foot now. True tolerance on our part got us here.
          Lets see how the ‘new minority” is dealt with under the tyranist leftist.
          (most communists round us up and put us in labor/death camps.)
          Will they allow us to live amongst them in peace?
          Or finish the 100 year genocide?

          • borborygmi

            poke you with the sharp stick ,,, move along now into the Gulag you go. Tomorrow is target practice with hollow points. We like our targets fresh and running (at least for 20ft).

          • $8194357

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            wouldn’t think that so funny fart bubble..
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        • VocalYokel

          “True Conservatives” aren’t interested in their eligibility “for all kinds of govt Gifts.”

  • camsaure

    What an a$$ Horeven is. Maybe he should take note from Berg and Romney about what happens when you deficate on your base. On second thought maybe he considers Dems to be more of his base.

    • $8194357

      Heidis helper?

    • RCND

      He was a Dem. Maybe he has decided to return to his roots

    • borborygmi

      Maybe Conservatives were never his base. Why pander to such an inconsequential diminishing group. The best thing ND Conservatives can point to the last cycle is that you can still keep political signs up on election day. Stellar achievement.

      • $8194357

        (inconsequential diminishing group)
        Because limited government/libertarian equal before the Creator
        men gave us the Document and Biblical patern that prospered this country until the illuminati globalists financiers usurpt our Republic into
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        Ideological root systems gurgle..
        They determine the original fruit from the marxist new left vine grafted in…

        Individual equality for elitist olagarchy
        steering committee agendas and goals…

        study on that a spell..
        Or not..
        You have proved yourself fruit of the vine grafted in..

        • borborygmi

          Ummm I don’t know if you ‘get it yet’. It matters nought why you are a diminishing group, whether it is STDs, self inflicted gunshot wounds or “illuminati globalists financiers.. you are diminishing that is what matters.

          • $8194357

            So my ‘blind sheep’ assesment with you was wrong?
            With ‘understanding’ he does the bidding of darkness…
            A special place in ‘hell’ for the willfull…

          • $8194357

            (whether it is STDs, self inflicted gunshot wounds)

            Mark 5:25-34
            New King James Version (NKJV)

            25 Now a certain woman had a flow of blood for twelve years,
            26 and had suffered many things from many physicians. She had spent all that she had and was no better, but rather grew worse.
            27 When she heard about Jesus, she came behind Him in the crowd and touched His garment.
            28 For she said, “If only I may touch His clothes, I shall be made well.”

            29 Immediately the fountain of her blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of the affliction.
            30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in Himself that power had gone out of Him, turned around in the crowd and said, “Who touched My clothes?”

            31 But His disciples said to Him, “You see the multitude thronging You, and You say, ‘Who touched Me?’”

            32 And He looked around to see her who had done this thing.
            33 But the woman, fearing and trembling, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell down before Him and
            told Him the whole truth.

            34 And He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has made you well.
            Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.”

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            Rock on Dude.

            As your faith is so it be done unto you.

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        The best thing ND Conservatives can point to the last cycle is that you can still keep political signs up on election day. Stellar achievement.

        Kevin Cramer, an outspoken and consistent conservative, will be in the US House next term, borby.

        • borborygmi

          oh yeah Kevin Cramer and keeping political signs out on election day. Are ‘you’ going to control him like ‘you’ did Hoeven.

  • kevindf

    This was the same greedy clown who decoupled state income taxes from federal income taxes.

    • DelawareBeachHouse

      That would be the North Dakota Legislature first.

    • WOOF

      Now I understand all your state tax bitchin.

  • dakotacyr

    OMG, Heidi is changing him already with her magical powers!

    • $8194357

      her magic underware?

  • RCND

    “The Senate has given the green light to the Pentagon’s investment in green energy.”

    Why is it the word “investment” can mean completely polar opposite things when used by the government vs everyone else?

    • $8194357

      Its for our own collective good?
      Deceptions. Call the thing by another name and continue
      the destruction of America…
      Its been working hands down for 100 years..

  • borborygmi

    A couple years back : Rob figures that Hoeven is a pushover and “we’ should be able to control him……..How is that working for yah.

  • Guest

    WTF ! Seriously WTF ? Even if Mr Hoven beleives that this vote will help with the pipeline or maybe keep Lisa Jackson of the EPA out of our hair WTF ? I am tired of busting my ass and Washington or a majority of the U S not CAREING ABOUT 16 TRILLION IN DEBT. Honerstly Rob why do I bother to care anymore ? Who gives a rats ass anymore ? The election showed that to be true.

    • camsaure

      Don’t give up, get mad. get motivated. We need to clean up the RINO’s from the ND republican party. I would hope they are not stupid enough to pull the same kind of shenanigans they did in the last primary. It is plain to see what happens to RINOs. Horeven needs to get his a$$ handed to him in the primary.

  • whowon
  • splined

    Just another $900 hammer or $2000 toilet seat. Crony capitalism is Hoeven’s baby.

  • Harold

    Senator Hoeven was a democrat for years before he switched parties, he’s still fairly liberal and will vote with dems alot in the future I would believe. Whether he’s effective for North Dakota only time will tell us that.

    • $8194357

      Senetor Hoeven is just another water boy (person..PC ya know)
      to the UN’s AGENDA 21..
      The easiest way to hide something is call it something else and leave it right out in the open…..
      And you will see five when three are held up…

  • WOOF

    That kind of strategic decision used to be left to the Generals,
    Paula Broadwell and Jill Kelly.
    Not Big Oil’s Senate whores.

  • DelawareBeachHouse

    At one time, there was a semi-legit argument for defense diversifying its fuel sources, that is, a potential cut-off of international sources of oil would limit our military options. But, since fracking has produced such an abundance of oil and natural gas that that argument holds no water anymore. This really is a sop to the biofuels industry.

  • Sick of phoney Conservatives

    No surprise as Hoven is a liberal Democrat. It’s funny how people who think they are Conservative on this blog believe the same way as Hoven & the other phoney RINOs; the Republican party has moved so far to the Left that their heads are in the behinds of Liberals. come up for air you idiots.

  • Sick of phoney Conservatives

    You people who claim to be Conservative with your fake outrage & anger have only yourselves to blame for RINOs as you support & vote for anything with an R without vetting the candidate yourself as you are either too lazy or stupid.

  • Lynn Bergman

    The ratio of elected RINOs to elected Conservative Republicans is about 2:1. That is why the North Dakota Tea Party Caucus has encouraged conservatives to get involved. It only costs $36 annually to become a Republican and help select legislative candidates at district caucuses. And only a little over $100 to attend the covention every two years and help select state and federal candidates.
    Conservatives, if you are not participating, you have no cause to complain.

    • dwnwththeolguard

      I participated, and they shut the microphones off…….ya, good luck with getting involved if you don’t follow the lock step

  • $8194357

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    SO YOU STILL BELIEVE THOSE DECISIONS HAVEN’T
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    LONG AGO and AROUND THE WORLD…

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    noun, plural sov·er·eign·ties.

    1.
    the quality or state of being sovereign.

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    the status, dominion, power, or authority of a sovereign; royalty.

    3.
    supreme and independent power or authority in government as possessed or claimed by a state or community.

    4.
    rightful status, independence, or prerogative.

    5.
    a sovereign state, community, or political unit.

    Origin:
    1300–50; Middle English soverainte < Anglo-French sovereynete
    ( Old French soverainete ),
    equivalent to soverain sovereign + -ete -ty2

    http://www.afn.org/~govern/ban

    "Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11..
    Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government.
    We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future.
    There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise.

    It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

    The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’

    Gold and silver were such a powerful money during the founding of the united states of America, that the founding fathers declared that only gold or silver coins can be "money" in America. Since gold and silver coinage were heavy and inconvenient for a lot of transactions, they were stored in banks and a claim check was issued as a money substitute. People traded their coupons as money, or "currency." Currency is not money, but a money substitute. Redeemable currency must promise to pay a dollar equivalent in gold or silver money. Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) make no such promises, and are not "money." A Federal Reserve Note is a debt obligation of the federal United States government, not "money?’ The federal United States government and the U.S. Congress were not and have never been authorized by the Constitution for the united states of America to issue currency of any kind, but only lawful money, -gold and silver coin.

    It is essential that we comprehend the distinction between real money and paper money substitute. One cannot get rich by accumulating money substitutes, one can only get deeper into debt. We the People no longer have any "money." Most Americans have not been paid any "money" for a very long time, perhaps not in their entire life. Now do you comprehend why you feel broke? Now, do you understand why you are "bankrupt," along with the rest of the country?

    Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) are unsigned checks written on a closed account. FRNs are an inflatable paper system designed to create debt through inflation (devaluation of currency). when ever there is an increase of the supply of a money substitute in the economy without a corresponding increase in the gold and silver backing, inflation occurs.

    Inflation is an invisible form of taxation that irresponsible governments inflict on their citizens. The Federal Reserve Bank who controls the supply and movement of FRNs has everybody fooled. They have access to an unlimited supply of FRNs, paying only for the printing costs of what they need. FRNs are nothing more than promissory notes for U.S. Treasury securities (T-Bills) – a promise to pay the debt to the Federal Reserve Bank.

    End quote

    "A thing called by another name"
    Ya don't need to be a "natural born American" to be POTUS
    under the international government in control, huh……

    So what do you think got JFK shot?
    EO puting Treasury Note silver cerificates back in circulation, perhaps?

  • LibertyFargo

    Sent this message to Senator Hoeven today:

    Senator Hoeven,

    As a constituent and a voter/supporter of yours in your bid for the US Senate I wanted to write and express my disappointment with your recent vote on removing the provision in the recent defense bill that prohibited the military from spending money on alternative fuels if the cost exceeded traditional fossil fuels such as coal, natural gas and oil.

    In understand that your constituency includes a LARGE number of Corn producers who have benefited from the advancements in Ethanol production. However, there is more than just corn production at stake here.

    First, for the defense bill; We want our military to be strong and efficient and spending $26/gal on bio-diesel when non-bio-diesel is significantly cheaper (while cleaner than it has ever been and still in great supply) seems ridiculous. This type of bloated spending actually weakens us as a country because we will soon NOT have the ability to pay our bills or put diesel in our trucks if the current progressive agenda continues to progress as it has the past 4 years. With all due respect, you can’t claim to be fiscally conservative and allow the government, through its vehicle fleet and, in this particular case, the military, pay twice or more for the cost of fuel to bolster the “corn” agenda. There are other issues with ethanol and government subsidy programs surrounding them but that is another issue for another time.

    Second, please work with other Senate Republicans to put pressure on House Republicans and, in particular, Speaker Boehner to reject any “back room” deal that calls for tax increases now and spending cuts later. You know full well that a prosperous economy does not come about because of increased taxation but out of increased production. You have seen that first hand as Governor of this Great State of North Dakota! Speaker Boehner and others in the House MUST realize that the “deal” on the Debt ceiling the last time, accomplished nothing for our economic prosperity and only saddled us with more debt that, in fact, lead to our being downgraded.

    I would urge you to consider that the BEST thing that you can do for your constituents is to be true to Conservative principles of limited government and reducing the burden of federal spending, which leads to federal debt, for us and for our children.

    Respectfully,

    XXXXXXX
    Fargo, ND

  • Waski_the_Squirrel

    Mr. Hoeven may have voted against the law for en entirely different reason. Why should there be a law against green biofuels? I would argue against a law requiring them, isn’t this the same?

    How about no law at all? Why does it have to be a law?

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