Say Anything Blog

Finally.  Someone has the courage to talk honestly about race.

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Communism is evil

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, maybe not in these exact words.

The real tragedy of Obama and the Reverend Wright is not the insults and slander hurled at whites, Jews and the USA. All have survived bigger and more impressive hate-mongers in the past.

The real victims are the African-Americans that bought into that hatred. I think we all agree that it’s easier to hate someone else than make a plan to improve yourself and stick to it.

I grew up what many would call underprivileged. I became successful because I planned to be successful and worked towards my goals. And you know what…my first, second, and third plans weren’t successful but eventually I was.

It would have been a lot easier to listen to someone else tell me why my circumstances weren’t my fault and that instead of working to improve myself, I needed to take “social action.” If I had spent my time carrying signs and screaming for someone to do something, I never would have lugged myself into the middle class. The intermediate steps towards success were usually a lot less fun than carrying a red banner down Main Street to the sound of bullhorn chants.

But Wright tells his followers to give up on trying to change the world by improving themselves and becoming successful. The message that filters out of his church tells young African-Americans that it’s no use being successful until the “US of KKK America” stops oppressing them. And the great thing about Wright’s message (from a propagandist point of view) is that if anyone denies the oppression, they’re accused of oppressing. And if they don’t agree to do exactly what Wright wants, they’re accused of oppressing. And if they do either, they’re racists.

Meanwhile a lot of young black men sit in jail (for crimes they committed), and a lot of young black women are dooming themselves to poverty through premarital pregnancy. And nothing can or should be done to solve these problems until everyone outside the community does exactly as Wright demands.

The real tragedy is that Wright’s message tells people in his own community not to bother investing in their own human capitol, just stay angry.

Hillary: Wright “Would Not Have Been My Pastor”

Hmmm! Must not be a Druid!

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

It is amazing the amount of people who will the event Rev. Wright slide on their judgment of Obama.

“It is just his pastor, not him. People are looking for more into it than they need to”

But Obama chose this for 20 years, Obama chose to be with a man who has the mantra of “hating america” inscribed in his persona, and not only that, but chose him to be like a family member.

That is undeniable.

Proof:

Hmmm! Must not be a Druid! 

My wife suggests “Must not be a warlock”.

This is a fun game that all can play.

This emphasizes what I said earlier about why Obama probably stuck with his church.  I modified it a bit to fit this post (see below).

I don’t think any of you have given thought to it.  But I will, because the alternative makes no sense.

And frankly, I am not sure any of you are open minded enough to consider this.

Unlike my counterparts to the right, I look at this situation in fairness, depth and in proper context.  The fact of the matter is that African nationalism has no place in America (proper context), I do not excuse Barack for subscribing to a church that endorses that line of thinking (proper context).  However, I am still reviewing if that is in fact the case.  Certainly having an interest to see Africa succeed and become a US ally is certainly an acceptable interest (fairness).

I am disappointed that he would reduce his chances for success by participating in a church that can become suspect to overreaching and overzealous Republicans who he knows would be out to get him, at all costs.

But when he explained that he could not turn his black on the black community it all made sense to me (depth).  I believe he knew, as a long time resident of Chicago, that blacks face a different reality than many in the country, much like blacks in hawaii face a different reality.  He needed to identify with his constituents and he needed to understand them (depth).  He clearly rejected any divisive nature they may have dabbled in occasionally as his platform is entirely different than what you pretend his church preaches.

Everything we know about Obama is in direct contrast to what you are pretending his Church teaches. This is why it is painfully obvious that he is trying to belong to a group of individuals in America who have been ignored.  Hillary herself said she would abandon them, Oprah abandoned them.  Who then will help anyone from that community understand that they can hear you, but also guide you in a direction that is more balanced and centered?  Who then can lead them from the dark to the light if not someone whom they trust? (depth)

I believe you simply lack the capacity to understand this.

That I think sums up this situation perfectly, anything less is a shallow attempt to dismiss what we know as an extremely intelligent and articulate man.

I defy any one of you to explain in detail how Barack Obama could present himself as a leader of unity for over 4 years, but secretly believe in separatism, racism and hatred for America.

I defy you to explain that argument of yours in logical terms.

Will you accept my challenge dirl?  Or will you be the coward who hides behind false accusations and innuendo?

H:

Will you accept my challenge dirl? Or will you be the coward who hides behind false accusations and innuendo?

So the bloviator, having finished with his bloviation, now resorts to childish name calling if we choose to ignore him.

Classic.

H:

I defy any one of you to explain in detail how Barack Obama could present himself as a leader of unity for over 4 years, but secretly believe in separatism, racism and hatred for America.

I’ll take this challenge.  Either he’s been lying for 20 years or lying for 4.

You pick.

...his platform is entirely different than what you pretend his church preaches.
Everything we know about Obama is in direct contrast to what you are pretending his Church teaches.

Han…

Nobody knows this because Obama, unlike Hillary has no history of taking a stand or lobbying others for a policy. Whatever he truly believes he keeps hidden behind the mask the media has helped him create.

He may very well reject the hatefullness of Reverend Wright, or he may buy into it. He may reject the hate America radicalism of his associate William Ayers, or he may reject that.

The fact is that we don’t know because he’s managed to live his entire political career hiding what he truly believes.

But if he did reject that hate mongering of Wright...why did he stay at that church for 20 years? There are plenty of churches. If he disagreed with Wright’s dislkike for the “Unites States of KKK America” why didn’t he simply go to another church?

He may reject the hate America radicalism of his associate William Ayers, or he may reject that.

I meant to say he may reject it, or he may secretly buy into it.

So the bloviator, having finished with his bloviation, now resorts to childish name calling if we choose to ignore him.

Well, have one of you even considered the idea?  No!  Not one of you considered that a man who has committed his life to civil service would have the mind set to think of others, before himself.

In your narrow view of the world you are either self centered, or a racist.  None of these options match up with what we know of Barack Obama.  None of them.

Hannitized:
Garbage in equals garbage out! If one sits under regular teaching that involves rage at whitey, rage against America and other extreme beliefs such as Afrocentrism for 20 years; and he has developed many other long term relationships with others of that same mindset, some even worse; should we accept what Obama says today about rejecting those beliefs, or as intelligent people shouldn’t we suspect that as President those aberrant, racist and anti-American beliefs will be reflected in his policies conducted in our name?

When we willing expose ourselves over the long term to any extremist thoughts, it is irrational to believe that those aberrant thoughts will not surface in our decisions.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Well, have one of you even considered the idea?  No!  Not one of you considered that a man who has committed his life to civil service would have the mind set to think of others, before himself.

Often, actually more frequently than not, public service is wholly selfish in nature, from seeking approval from others to gaining wealth and power. Sorry, but a life time of civil service is meaningless unless we understand the true nature of the person first and can document long term, selflessness (not seeking any reward) in that service.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I’ll take this challenge. 

Ok, great!

Either he’s been lying for 20 years or lying for 4.

Um, Carrick....either you didn’t read the challenge, or you don’t have the nerve.  Which is it?

I defy any one of you to explain in detail how Barack Obama could present himself as a leader of unity for over 4 years, but secretly believe in separatism, racism and hatred for America.

I defy you to explain that argument of yours in logical terms.

You see the words “explain in detail”? 

So your brilliant explanation is that Barack Obama, who has been preaching to us about one America, not a blue state, a red state, but a UNITED States, is lying to us and is secretly a divisive racist, black America focused liar.

That is brilliant Carrick.  I just have to say.  You really put a lot of thought, logic and reason in to your conclusion.

Gee, it’s almost as if your conclusion was lazy and convenient.  I can’t imagine for the life of me why a Conservative would choose the lazy, and convienient explanation that happens to castrate his political opponent.

You pick.

I picked brother.  And you didn’t give me a fair choice, by the way.  What you offered is what is termed “A False Choice”.  I laid out my case, and my case makes the most logical sense.  Obama can lead the black community to a place it needs to go.  He can gently help the black community that has been abandoned by Condoleeza, Oprah, the Clintons and everyone else move towards the center and towards unity.

Or, if you are right, then Obama is simply a lowly liar.  And if he is lying about being a uniter and is secretly a racist.  What is the goal of becoming President?  What will he do that will help the black community achieve their dreams of separatism?  Explain it to me.  If you can.

As I see it, either Obama was a poser if he stayed in a congregation listening to messages he didn’t believe in, or he accepted them, and is a power now.  EIther way he’s being dishonest somewhere about who the real Obama is.

And that is rather troubling.

Well, have one of you even considered the idea?  No!  Not one of you considered that a man who has committed his life to civil service would have the mind set to think of others, before himself.

Han…

I think there are a lot of people who commit their lives to civil service and tink of others before they think of themselves. Most of them never run for public office. I know...I’m married to someone like that.

But even though I work in the public sector, I am highly suspicious of those who seek public office having never done anything with their lives that does not involve asking for tax dollars, or trying to manipulate one of the three branches of government. 

I think that most political candidates are in it for the power and ego.

Having said that...I think that both Hillary and McCain are far more qualified. I also think that both Senators Clinton and McCain have a genuine love for the country.

But more importantly…

Senators Hillary and McCain have been very open and very honest (over a prolonged period of time) in telling the American people what they believe.

Obama is as he was 4 years ago...an empty cup that he invites the voters to fill up with their hopes nad dreams.

*** and is a poser now.

Nice spat of childish name calling by the way.  That is what passes for a logical argument from Hannitized.  Don’t expect me to pay any more attention to you until you start acting like an adult.

Wing: 

The real victims are the African-Americans that bought into that hatred.

My point exactly.  This is much greater a problem than one Senator trying to be president.  This is the same large problem that led a majority of voters in Durham, North Carolina to vote for the race panderer Nyphong.  They were racists.  The same gang of 88 that publicly lynched innocent men without a trial.  And they were teachers at Duke.  Shameful.
Disgusting.  Unprofessional.  But most of them never were in my opinion.  This is what liberalism leads to.  Mass killings, just like in the Soviet Union.

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Communism is evil

Wing Chung:

Obama is as he was 4 years ago...an empty cup that he invites the voters to fill up with their hopes nad dreams.

That’s well said, but I really do think the guy is a socialist.  That is, he does believe in certain things, and very strongly. He does plan on changing the country to match his vision of where he wants to take it, and this is very far to the left of what even most Democrats would be comfortable.

And part of one’s socialist bona fides is hate-spew towards America.  It just so happens with socialist movements like Black Nationalism, that this hate-spew takes on a particularly virulent form.

The idea that the guy is either brilliant is a big laugh though.  I happen to think he’s a goofy loon.

I defy any one of you to explain in detail how Barack Obama could present himself as a leader of unity for over 4 years, but secretly believe in separatism, racism and hatred for America.

I defy you to explain that argument of yours in logical terms

The Bible tells us that even Satan can an doften does appear as an angel of light, deceiving many into hell thereby. Being an intelligent man, Obama would know that he could not sell separatism and other racist views and still get elected POTUS, so he would naturally soft pedal his image by moderating his words and appearing to be a uniter, while all the while wanting the very opposite. I am not saying I know that to be true of him, I am only answering your question.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

This is much greater a problem than one Senator trying to be president.

Thanks Chief:

I guess that what I would have like to seen out of Senator Obama is some sign that he recognizes how this cultimated anger harms people in the very community that he represented and supposedly served.

Do I believe that a loot of African Americans have an undesirable lot in life? Yes. Do I think there are many people suffering? Yes.

But the fact is that there are a lot of whites who come from just as miserable circumstances. And for G** sake look at the Vietnamese and Cambodian boat people. Talk about suffering. And look at all the suffering Jews have been through over the years.
Many (and I mean mean many) who have suffered a lot have come to America, taken advantage of our freedom, and become successful. The ones who make it are the ones who take responsibility for their lives and stop blaming others, or looking for others to lift them up.

Rev. Wrights message (combines with the message of all the vitimologists and activists) are pushing a lot of suffering people away from the path that would improve their lives and communities.

Good point Hannitized!

I noted this earlier on SA as well.  Democrats will fall to the contrast of Obama pre-Wright as Obama Post-Wright.

The contrast is so shocking and thus that much more easily dismissed.  What they lack is the evidence to bridge the gaps of the two personas presented.

And I have been fortunate to have been exposed to the evidence that bridges the two, and I was afraid that the two faces of Obama would not be fathomable to many…

Hitler was on the cover of Time and said to be a great chancellor until he became the “ferocious maniac of genius” (Churchill).  The situations are not the same but I think parallel enough to be effective in my point…

If someone’s thoughts are so incendiary and they are sane enough to want to make it happen then they will covertly rise before putting their principles into action.  They will see to it that they gain the respect of the people before they really drop the seeds of their beliefs.

They won’t be like Juegenen.  Obnoxious and impatient. They will be wise about it.

His wife was proud of this country for the first time when she should be thankful for so much of what she receives in life.  That’s the love of his life speaking those ungrateful words.

“I can no more disown rev. wright than I can disown the black community” translates into “their bloodshed is apart of my past, and I will not move on from it.  It’s pain is a part of me”

His sentimental immaturity troubles me, as do his wife, as do his pastor, as do his past, and as do his fans.

There aren’t many signs that point in the direction of the Post-Wright Obama, but they are there and they should be paid close attention to.

This idea is so far off the mark that those who do not see it are figuratively blind.  There are many who live in much worse conditions, but they have moral guidance and know right from wrong.  This is wrong.  This is disgusting.  This is merely wallowing in the mud.  This is the perpetual victimization that claims go back hundreds of years.  The Irish do not do this.  The chinese don’t.  The italians did not.  Many other peoples here in the USA are grateful for the chance to be free---except one.  They have bought into the victimization hole and I do not know how they will get out.  They are tearing down others and killing many along the way.  This must stop.  Maybe, just maybe this exposure will awaken the good, the just, the logical people that this is simply wrong.

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Communism is evil

Nice spat of childish name calling by the way.  That is what passes for a logical argument from Hannitized.  Don’t expect me to pay any more attention to you until you start acting like an adult.

Alright.

Sorry.  It’s just that I’m tired of hearing that argument.  It’s bogus to me.  Your response to the challenge was sort of insulting.  “He either lied for 20 years or lied for 4”.  Please.  That was a detailed argument.  Hardly.

What did you think when Obama said “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.” What do you think he meant when he said that?

He addressed you and yours:

For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely - just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

Now lets take your conclusion and contrast it to this statement Carrick.  If Obama is lying now, what does it mean to say these words to Americans?  Does it mean that as soon as he were to attain the position of President he will turn on his stated understanding of the situation and immediately start making decisions that will hurt the US in it’s fight against terrorism?  Does that notion square with his comments of invading Pakistan?  No.

What does make sense?  What makes sense is that of course he does not subscribe to the underlying devision of those silly statements.

Hannitized: address who you are talking to and when you are talking to them.

I’ve heard remarks from pastor of which I disagreed. but his remarks we’re not “damn blacks” and he was not considered part of my family.

Of course he isn’t going to turn around and ‘shit’ on Americans if he becomes president.  Because of the circumstance it will be a slow gradual process into conformity and socialism along with political nicities and the inhibition of OUR FIRST AMENDMENT.

By god, Hannitized, our first amendment is precious.
I never want to be freer to think than I am to speak!

But these remarks must be alarming to you.  I realize the evidence is few but according to murphy’s law it is entirely possible that Obama has a dark side.  A dark side that I am afraid you even like.

Do you want to damn America? Do you think we deserved 9/11?....

Senators Hillary and McCain have been very open and very honest (over a prolonged period of time) in telling the American people what they believe.

McCain, I would agree.  Hillary on the other hand, I am not so sure that her truths are calculated.

Obama is as he was 4 years ago...an empty cup that he invites the voters to fill up with their hopes nad dreams.

I can see why you would say that.  But I can not see a racist, separatist in Obama.

Chief RZ:  Don’t get me wrong, because I agree with your premis 100%.

However, having said that, the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese were not brought here in the hulls of ships, chained, neck-to-neck.

As Thomas Jefferson siad, this is a calamity we will live with for generations.

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Hannitized.  You challenged me, I retorted.

I asked you questions and you instead pay attention to the flies that like to sting you just because they see “democrat”

You run head first into a brick-wall. Why not start with something more versatile and amiable, something that is willing to converse. Like me?

The pastor’s remarks have to have had to affect you to some degree.  I know you probably don’t take religion seriously but put your feet in the shoes that do.

It’s not that i see a separatist in Obama, I see a malcontent in Obama.
His goal is correct his method is not.  His sentimental immaturity and inability to disown his painful past shows a man that has never learned to grow up.

Well said, Dirl!

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

And I have been fortunate to have been exposed to the evidence that bridges the two, and I was afraid that the two faces of Obama would not be fathomable to many…

Hitler was on the cover of Time and said to be a great chancellor until he became the “ferocious maniac of genius” (Churchill).  The situations are not the same but I think parallel enough to be effective in my point…

Hmmmm.  Well, I have to give credit where credit is due.  Certainly it is a more thoughtful argument and certainly as plausible as any, I suppose.  But do you think Hitler actually ever repudiated what he inevitably ended up standing for before he came to office?  Or do you think he developed that identity, later, over time?

If someone’s thoughts are so incendiary and they are sane enough to want to make it happen then they will covertly rise before putting their principles into action.  They will see to it that they gain the respect of the people before they really drop the seeds of their beliefs.

Ok.  Leftists think the same thing about people like Romney.  So, it’s a crazy or reasonable as any, to be truthful.

I totally 100% disagree.  But it does’t mean you are wrong. 

Can you describe some terrible Hitler things he might be able to get our military to subscribe to?  I doubt that he could move an army to turn on its own people, if a race war is what you are thinking.

I doubt he could move an army to turn on its own people…

So the Krupps, the Farbens and other German industrialists thought of Hitler when they decided to finance his government.

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

Obama:

I can see why you would say that. But I can not see a racist, separatist in Obama.

I don’t either.  But I do see a man who is willing to “pose” with different groups in order to gain influence with them.

To an extent that is what a politician is, but it doesn’t say anything about his judgement that he didn’t see a problem with associating with extremists like Wright.

Actually I do think he is extreme in his views just not radical in the way Wright is.  Two peas in a pod as it were.  He is a true socialist in my opinion.  Since I regard socialism as an utterly failed, blind to human nature, political philosophy, I couldn’t on principle vote for such a person.

well, I don’t really want to get too into the state of Obama’s heart and mind.  It’s almost unfair.

But a pastor, considered a family member, and his terrible comments are suggestive of something just wrong about Obama’s true feelings. Period.

Hannitized. Consider your inexperience in religion to have your judgment in this case not exactly be “well-rounded”.

This should effect you, and not in a good way.

So the Krupps, the Farbens and other German industrialists thought of Hitler when they decided to finance his government

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That doesnt align with my statement.  I said he could not get our army to turn on its own people, that would be an impossibility and you know it.

But I do see a man who is willing to “pose” with different groups in order to gain influence with them.

To an extent that is what a politician is, but it doesn’t say anything about his judgement that he didn’t see a problem with associating with extremists like Wright.

Right, that’s what I thought originally.  But then it seemed to me to that Obama would realize, these are real people who vary greatly in opinion and in life experience.  There is good to be taken from some of them and many to ignore.

It’s just like how I feel about Liberals.  I find myself among kooks at times, but there are reasonable ones in the bunch who sort of look out for the rest, and try to pull them along back to the center.

Same difference.

Hannitized. Consider your inexperience in religion to have your judgment in this case not exactly be “well-rounded”.

This should effect you, and not in a good way.

Im sorry.  Your insult wasn’t written well enough, to where it could be understood.  Could you try again please.

I would advise you however, I have been playing softball with you.  If you are going to bring out the knives prepare for a sharp response that cuts as deep.

I would advise you however, I have been playing softball with you.  If you are going to bring out the knives prepare for a sharp response that cuts as deep.

Jeez Hannitized, it is a blog, not gladiatorial combat.

Jeez Hannitized, it is a blog, not gladiatorial combat.

Gladiators?  Gladiators were savages and performance clowns.  I would prefer the Holmgang, as a more accurate approach of settling scores.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm is the website of BHO’s
church. The legitimate question is since Obama has stated that Rev. Wright was his mentor, how much of the mentor’s philosophy on this site does he agree with?  I would never become a member of a church that espoused racist drivel such as this and whose pastor (raised in an privileged upper middle class family) G_d da_ned America for his supposed “persecution.” B. Hussein Obama has been a member for 20 years and donated over $27,000 for the “ministry” of this church. Yet we are to believe that he had little inkling of his pastor’s ideology.  Barack is either a fraud or an idiot.
I suspect the former.

Barack is either a fraud or an idiot.

False dilemma.

I vote both. The Marxist “liberalism” Obama spouts is both fraudulent and idiotic.

If you are going to bring out the knives prepare for a sharp response that cuts as deep.

Jeez Hannitized, it is a blog, not gladiatorial combat.

Don’t worry, Ken! Ol’ Hannitized is about as sharp as Velveeta®!
The only thing he’ll cut is the cheese!

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

pparets. 

However, having said that, the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese were not brought here in the hulls of ships, chained, neck-to-neck.

Was that true for every African slave sold by their own people?  Now I will begin looking into how the Chinese slaves were transported from China to the west coast.  Does it matter how many were on each level of ships, how many chains, how much water, what percentage died enroute, who sold them.  What difference does it make centuries later?  How long are certain people going to milque history?  On topic.  What this “pastor” is doing is not only perpetuating the victim status, but keeping these people in virtual slavery with his pitty party that seems to have no end.  It must stop.  Time for pastors to take a moral stand and reject this lifestyle.  How much money, how many appologies, how much?  No more.  If these people really reject slavery, they should stop it from going on right now in Africa.  At least the women are not doing this.  Well, some are, but for the most part the feminists of the 70s have gone by and many now see that they too were merely using women to vote democratic.
Join the civilized society.  Tell your children not to steal, sell drugs, join gangs, pimp, avoid honest jobs, speak english.  This is the real problem.  Many of the “parents” teach their children that it is OK to break the law--they do it themselves.  I saw it while teaching in the public school.

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Communism is evil

the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese were not brought here in the hulls of ships, chained, neck-to-neck.

So, after they were freed, they had no property, few possessions other than the clothes on their backs. Similar to Cubans who cross 90 miles of open water, or many Mexicans who cross the border illegally.
In a land of opportunity, with only the clothes on their backs, what similarities or differences are there between the Cuban-American, Mexican-American, and Afro-American communities? (Hell! Throw Irish-American, Italian-American, and Asian-American in there, too!)

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof.  Good points.  Now we can begin to examine why certain peoples seem to have bettered themselves and others seem to be perpetually wallowing in their own inability or unwillingness to become a contributing member of society.
There are numerous stories of peoples coming to America with virtually nothing from all over the world.  They learn English, follow the laws, get jobs, marry,
have families and in general become good citizens.  They do not take welfare, public assistance and are patriots in return.  They pay their dues.

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Communism is evil

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The first paragraph you quoted of mine was reason to say that you might be weary of the judgment you make on this ordeal because you may not realize how IMPORTANT religion is.

The remarks Rev. Wright made should effect you, and not in a good way.

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I admire how Hillary said I did not choose a rev. wright pastor for 20 years

Chief RZ/Proof: I failed to make myself clear at 11:42 EDST.  Mea Culpa

Inbred cultural hatred and even cultural self-loathing are as old as man itself. To this day, in many parts of Serbia, when a child is born, it is held aloft and greeted by it’s mother with, “Welcome to life, oh little slayer of Kosovites”, as adoring family and villagers look on.

Orangemen marching in Belfast every year stir hatreds that go back 600 years. Muslims still take umbrage at the word ‘crusade’ and use it to keep alive their collective cultural memory over an invasion that occured 900 years ago.

That’s what the Rev. Wright’s of our nation do. They generate and focus the racial resenment of blacks on the fact that they alone - of all Americans - were forced to come here as slaves.  Thus, the resentment and even self-loathing which affects parts of the African-American community can be kept burning and - for some - profited from. [Hence the phrase, ‘poverty pimp’.]

They could care less that Vietnamese and Cuban immigrants came here with nothing and yet prospered. In their minds, the reason for such success can be reduced to one simple fact: They’re not black!

Do you doubt for one minute that this is the stuff of learning in some black churches and in the classrooms of many black and traditional colleges? 

Like it or not, right or wrong, there it is.

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

I can see why you would say that.  But I can not see a racist, separatist in Obama.

Hannitized:

My point is not that I think I Obama is a closet black separatist. My point all along has been that Obama is overly comfortable with extremists on the left. This comfortable relationship with left-wing exteemists is hardly related to Reverend Wright.

Just a little background…

Way before I ever knew who Barack Obama was, I was doing graduate work in Education. In an course on different education philosophies I read some writings by one William Ayers. His name sounded familiar, but I couldn’t place it at the time. His education theories though were even considered extreme by my Liberal-Democrat professor. This guy literally wanted to to train teachers to turn their classrooms into little battlegounds in the ongoing struggle against capitalism. I did some more research about Ayers, and discovered that he has in fact an unrepentant 60s terrorist who had avoided hard time by a legal technicality. That he bragged about the bombings he did, and wished he had done more...and he said that recently, not way beack in the day.

So I knew who William Ayers was, and how he was trying to subvert our educational system in the name of marxist revolution, way before I ever heard Obama’s name. 

Ayers is by any measure a hateful extremist. Yet Obama associated with him willingly and for quite some time.

In 2001, Rev Wright gave a sermon blaming America for the attack on 9/11.  Rev Wright published an “op-ed” (July 2007) by Mousa Abu Mazook, Hamas murderer.  Also in 2007, his church “honored” Louis Farrakhan with the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award citing him as one who “truly epitomized greatness.” There are many, many other examples of Rev Wright’s notion of Christianity reflected in his sermons.  B. Hussein Obama appears to have been at none of these controversial sermons.  Perhaps, he should ask his family who appear to be regular attendees about the content of these sermons missed, no doubt, because of his hectic schedule as a “public servant.”

Chinese slave conditions: http://www.takaoclub.com/bowne/index.htm “A contemporary Chinese labourer describes the voyage thus: “We proceeded to sea, we were confined in the hold below; some were … shut up in bamboo cages, or chained to iron posts, and a few were indiscriminately selected and flogged as a means of intimidating all others”… The ships themselves, known as coolie clippers, were built like convict ships with massive iron gratings to secure each hatchway and sometimes actual barricades with armed sentries across the ship.”

patriotic:  and your point is.....?

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"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

pparets - The point is that those of Chinese heritage suffered every bit as inhumanely as those of African heritage under slavery and Jim Crow.  Yet the large segment of hate rhetoric espoused by Rev Wright types and their congregations is virtually nonexistant in their community.

For more go to http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/scripts/jimcrow/lawsoutside.cgi?state=California

That is a good point, Patriotic.