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Didn’t she “date” Robert Guccione, Jr.? What do you expect?

She has already endorsed Mitt Romney. I think she was being sarcastic. I said the same thing the other day to make a point. I have, however, revised my statement to say that I would even vote for wacky Ron Paul before voting for John McCain or any other democrat.

I guess some just don’t get it.  How can you or anyone support a person for POTUS that has no morals or values..?  McCain does not represent the conservative side of the elephant.  Sorry, but I agree with Ann, and I know quite a few others here in PA that also do.

atease

Let me see… Hillary the one who said that believing Petraeus and Crocker requires ‘willing suspension of disbelief’.  McCain on the other hand, was one of the architects of the surge.

But according to Ann Coulter, Hillary would be better on Iraq.  So how does that work again?

P2P, I agree.  I will not vote for McCain.  I will vote for the donkey to lead this country than allow a fake elephant to take apart the Republican party.

atease

But according to Ann Coulter, Hillary would be better on Iraq.  So how does that work again?

Assuming Ann isn’t pulling your leg(and I think she is), McCain wants to shut down Gitmo, bring the terrorist scum to the continental US, and give them civilian trials with full access to classified material, all the constitutional rights that US citizens enjoy.  That’s “strong on national defense”?  You must be joking.  Wesley Clark was also a military man...once.
All of you who are attacking Ann are doing what you are accusing her of doing, anyway; abandoning someone who has been a strong conservative for purely emotional reasons.  McCain isn’t a strong conservative, though, by any means.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Carrick,

I can not say ANYTHING negative about McCain on fighting the war IN Iraq.  He was/is/always right on his stance.  That said, he has no moral compass.  You never know where this guy lands on an issue.  At least Hillary is consistant.

atease

According to the intel people, Gitmo is a major recruitment vehicle for the terrorists.  In retrospect, creating such a high-visibility prison was probably not the best idea…

I’m pretty sure the plan to move the prisoners to the continental United States cam from the penttagon, not congress.. but I can’t find any links to it either way.

atease,. as far as I’m concerned Hillary is completely devoid of any moral compass.  McCain is at least consistent on some issues.

He’s not my favorite, but I’d pick him in a heart-beat over Clinton or Obama.

robert108.  Ann is NOT pulling anyone’s leg.  She and many others are serious in their stance insisting on a conservative for POTUS, not a pretender like McCain, or Huck.

atease

This is all so interesting....I’m a dem supporting Hillary. However, if dems nominate Obama...then I’ll be voting for an elephant.

Carrick,

Hillary has more morals than McCain, at least politically.  She has been consistant in her policies.  She throws left handed ALL the time.  John is ambidextrous.  You never know where he is coming from, or what hand the ball is in.  How do you work/play against someone like John..?

atease

atease: I will defer to your obviously superior mindreading abilities.  /sarcasm Besides, Hillary is less of a conservative than McCain; she is a Marxist, in the full Stalinist mode.  I think Ann was using hyperbole to make a point, as she often does.

Carrick:  McCain supported closing down Gitmo, bringing them here, and giving them civilian trials with full constitutional rights, no matter who originated the idea.
Besides, McCain doesn’t seem to have a clue about how our free enterprise system works, which is a worse handicap, in my book.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Keefer, please explain why..?

atease

This is all so interesting....I’m a dem supporting Hillary. However, if dems nominate Obama...then I’ll be voting for an elephant.

I appreciate your candor, Keefer, and would like to hear your reasoning behind that position.  Please elucidate.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

GIven that McCain has the inside lead on this, and given that if you don’t vote, you are throwing away your power.

Don’t complain if come 2008 you have no power left to influence events in Washington.  That’s the cold hard truth.

According to the intel people, Gitmo is a major recruitment vehicle for the terrorists.

That’s only a problem if they get out before the end of the war against terrorism.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

Besides, Hillary is less of a conservative than McCain; she is a Marxist, in the full Stalinist mode.

Precisely.

I think Ann was using hyperbole to make a point, as she often does.

If she is kidding this time, I hope she lets us in on the joke. I am pretty sure she is serious about this.

McCain supported closing down Gitmo, bringing them here, and giving them civilian trials with full constitutional rights, no matter who originated the idea.

Torture and POW treatment are obviously personal issues for McCain. He gets an official pass from me on this. Gitmo is but a minor part of the War on Terror in any event.

Besides, McCain doesn’t seem to have a clue about how our free enterprise system works, which is a worse handicap, in my book.

And Hillary does?

Robert108,, McCain’s stance on tax cuts is worrisome, though nothing compared to Hillary or Obama.

The president serves and represents those who vote for him first.  If you don’t support him, don’t expect him to listen to you either.

Robert,

I only said that because I hear others (in real life not via electronics) saying the same thing.  “Dole all over again.” “I will not vote for President again/this time.”

That is what I am hearing from the most conservative part of this country, central PA.

P.S. Not a mind reader or ever played one on TV.

atease

Well...I noted someone stated that Clinton was Marxist. I actually feel she is more centrist than the other democratic candidates and more consistent.  I’m socially liberal and fiscally conservative and ironically, I feel Obama is far to liberal and “lets all feel good”.  Unfortunately, we primarily have only a two party system and there is never one candidate that represents all of my stances on issues.  However, when I hear Obama..I never really here any specifics. He is a good speaker but it all seems like a lot of fluff to me and I just don’t trust him. I know that is pretty subjective...it’s that I would trust a Republican more than Obama.  But I’m not a GOP basher...I voted for Bush in 88, Bush in 92, Dole in 96 and Bush in 00...but then I voted for Kerry in 04.  I guess 88 was the last time I voted for a winning candidate! LOL

Don’t complain if come 2008 you have no power left to influence events in Washington.  That’s the cold hard truth.

Carrick, what is the alternative..?  Continue with fakes that lead the party over the cliff..?  I will sit back and watch another Carter in office than another Bush.  I am done with this.  Hillary and Obama are very scary to me.  But worse is the destruction of the GOP.

Carter was a one term POTUS.  Reagan was the answer.  I wait the next Reagan, or..

atease

Torture and POW treatment are obviously personal issues for McCain. He gets an official pass from me on this. Gitmo is but a minor part of the War on Terror in any event.

While I might give him a pass for feeling that way, it is also a legitimate reason not to want him anywhere near the WH where he could act on those feelings. McCain lives in the past. He can not get over his years as a POW. I don’t blame him for this, I’d be badly scarred too, but that experience makes him a military hero, it no way qualified/qualifies him to be President.

Thanks for the answer Keefer.  I hope you vote for a winner this year.

atease

The answer is CCON08.  McCain will be there.  People need to pressure him to pledge on issues that matter to conservatives.  A lot of what happens in a White House are influenced by the President’s advisors. (Look at the difference in how the war is being waged under Gates vs Rumsfeld for example).

Unless you are a statist and want Ein Vater to lead you, you probably believe that democracy works, and this means among other things that a group of people is always smarter than any one, no matter how smart that individual.  In that alternative view, the President to a degree serves at whim of his constituents.

Even if you have a somewhat insularly president like Bush, if the voice of the people is loud enough, he listens.

But the point is, you walk away, you’ve thrown away any say you have in the matter.

And Hillary does?

The point is not that Hillary doesn’t get it either.

The point’s that McCain doesn’t get it. And there’s no meaningful difference between them.

I, for one, refuse to play the Democrat’s game and take a defeatocrat view of the nomination. Mitt Romney has been my guy for the last 9 months and I expect him to win in the end. He had one of his largest online fund-raising days yesterday through today and a big day the day after Florida through phonebank calls. He just made a major ad buy for several Super Tuesday states,, looked good at the debate last night and even more relaxed and on top of things in interviews today. Even if he isn’t the #1 in California, he’ll still pick up a slew of delegates here and a bunch more in the Rocky Mountain states. And now that he knows the low tactics McCain is willing to use, after Florida, he won’t get blindsided again. And I’m not just talking about the low blow of saying he advocated timetables for withdrawal, I’m also referring to those robo calls made to Cuban-Americans, made in Spanish and implying Romney was in the bag for Castro. Romney is too much of a gentleman to get into a the kind of real pissing match we’d all like to see from him with McCain, but he hasn’t made a $350 million fortune without learning a thing or two about ruthless tactics.

McCain does not represent the conservative side of the elephant.

Clarification: McCain doesn’t even represent what comes out of the elephant.

His job is that of a mole, to infiltrate and destroy the Party from within.  All’s he needs to do is to sit down to a nice game of solitaire and his windage veers hard left.

Better to clear up the battle lines and have Hillary as the clear opposition and take the heat for her monumental f---’ups rather than have the southern border dissolved under a faux-Republican banner. 

The GOP will be invigorated by the clearly defined need for true conservatives and a clearer definition between Hillary’s Statist programs and the mandates of the U.S. Constitution.

I will not go so far as Anne states, but sit on my hands if McCain is my only choice to vote for.  I refuse to vote for a traitor to the conservative cause and more to the point, to the United States of America.

...for great justice

Well...I noted someone stated that Clinton was Marxist.

Read up on her mentor, Saul Alinsky.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

McCain’s stance on tax cuts is worrisome, though nothing compared to Hillary or Obama.

It’s much worse than that; check out his statements about business and profit during the last dialogue with Romney.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

And Hillary does?

Not the point at all; neither one of them is fit to guide us economically, in any way at all.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

I’ve been reading Ann’s columns for many years.

She is NOT kidding. She has been putting out the TRUTH about McCain for a very very long time.

You guys seem to forget, he was a candidate in 2000 - following a decade of viciously Liberal conduct in the Senate AT THAT TIME.

We didn’t vote for him THEN - and we won’t vote for him NOW.

And think of all the Conservatives who stayed home both in 2000 and 2004 - even against Hanoi John - EVEN IN TEXAS - and did not vote for BUSH.

EVEN THEY would not go vote for McSanta Anna.

I will never vote for him.

I agree with Ann Coulter TOTALLY.

Many of you CLAIM you tallied the GOP and believe McSwine is “ELECTABLE” - but you didn’t count a LOT of GOP voters when you came to that decision. Those POLLS don’t tell you TOTAL TURNOUT in the ELECTION. they just tell you how one select CLOSED group of poll takers answered on a given day. NOTHING MORE.

But you are witnessing the strongest outpouring of deepest anger and largest numbers of absolutely revolted people who have been telling you ABSOLUTELY for YEARS to get off these %#%#%%$% RINOS, or else - and you just laugh at us.

Now, the Rubber hits the ROAD.

You sure did NOT count ME.

I will not vote for him.

I voted for Bush, but most of the Conservatives I know - IN TEXAS - stayed home and did not vote for Bush. I did everything I could to drag them to the voting booths beating them to death about Algore and Hanoi John.
McSANTA ANNA ALLIES!!!

THEY certainly will not vote for Bush.

THEN, those who won’t vote LEFT of Bush, like those who refused to vote for Robert Dole and Gerald Ford - THEY will not vote for Bush.

What have you got to threaten us with?

We survived Clinton and Carter because you MODERATES insisted on those we warned you not to support IF YOU WERE DOING SO BASED ON COUNTING ON US TO BAIL YOU OUT in the General Election.

I will sleep with GREAT PEACE, if Romney is defeated in the Primary - when I go to the General Election AND VOTE FOR A WRITE-IN, and go home WITH A CLEAN CONSCIENCE and watch the GOP get what it deserves - at long last.

I have learned a power and horrible lesson - I will NOT celebrate the defeat and destruction of the GOP - I have learned THAT lesson - it is scriptural, you know! - but I will sleep the peace of a wife who finally realized it is STUPID to lie to herself and stay with an ABUSIVE AND MURDEROUS husband - and finally leaves, and realizes it is NOT the end of the world to have a home of peace and quiet, even with little.

I will have Peace that passes all understanding.

You who think that McSwine is the BE-ALL and END-ALL can have your own just rewards.

Enjoy!

I have found a site that advertises FREE HILLARY T-SHIRTS to those who promise to vote for her.

IF ROMNEY LOSES the PRIMARY - I will order a lot of those shirts.

And I will write on them - “REMEMBER THE ALAMO!”

If anyone tries to fuss at me who still has DOORS on their own personal OWNED home, and does NOT have NEON SIGNS inthe front yard inviting the STREET GANGS to come and make themselves at home, I will fill your ears with accounts of those in this community alone who have paid the ultimate price for McSWINE’S policies - and I will give you the gory details of several different families, and strangely, in most cases, it was the DAUGHTERS who found their PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS who were mutilated beyond your wildest imaginations - FOR FUN!

This is the end of the line for me - I will no longer TOLERATE any OPEN BORDERS #%#%%$%#$%#$%$# policies in my political party.

Not from ANYONE.  If that policy and those candidates are more important to some of you than the NUMBERS NEEDED to beat out the DIMS - then THAT is YOUR choice.

And I am content to let you have it so.

McSwine

That is a vile thing to call him.

Well...I noted someone stated that Clinton was Marxist. I actually feel she is more centrist than the other democratic candidates and more consistent.

Look, Clinton will govern center left like her husband did, especially when faced with a Republican filibuster in the Senate.  McCain will govern center left, but not be consistently challenged the way Hillary is.  The left might occasionally put up the good fight against McCain, but by and large, he says all the things they want to hear--amnesty, no tax cuts, attack drug companies… the list goes on.

Hillary will unite conservatives like Bill did in 1994.  We will adopt a consistently conservative message again and maybe undo some of the damage.  She may say she supports a withdrawl, but she doesn’t want a legacy of surrender to terrorists (that her husband emboldened) either.  Her healthcare plans will probably not overcome a filibuster.  The only real damage she can do is with judicial appointments, but McCain’s gang of 14 is going to hold together and block the nuclear option--right?

Carrick,

McCain on the other hand, was one of the architects of the surge.

I know he was in favor of the surge, but one of the architects?

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

You fight for what you want during the primaries.

During the general election, you take what you can get when you can get it.

Or you can sit on your hands because you’re upset about how we humans organize into competing groups. You’ll never change it because the interactions are fundamental to human behavior, but you can sit there and pout while sitting out a less than perfect (aren’t they all?) election on “principles”.

See where it gets you.

I have no time to listen to people who say that they’re sitting out the election or that Hillary, the hardcore Marxist, is less dangerous than the politically ambidextrous switch hitter McCain. There is no perfect politician and there is no perfect supporter. Self identified conservatives should know better. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior on our side of the aisle. Grow up.

I agree with Ann.  Better a common enemy than a traitor within our gates.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/democrats-say-mccain-nearly-abandoned-gop-2007-03-28.html

The Republican Congress’ Finest Hours were when Clinton was President.  We have suffered under the moderate populist Bush.

The BIBLE says this:

“I would rather you be hot or cold, for if you are LUKE-WARM, I will spit you out of my mouth.”
McCain defines LUKE-WARM.

If he is the nominee, I also, though I despise her, will be voting for Hillary.

Bill: I’ve always suspected that Hillary was paying you more than Mitt. And to think of the twits that called McCain a traitor to the party!
(For the unschooled and clueless, that would be you, McFly!)

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

McCain is a ”traitor to the party!” (Republicans), so I will vote for a liberal Democrat!

How does one get one’s mind into that small of a box? Perhaps I err, in assuming there is a mind at all?

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

This election cycle appears to be a contest beween the most empathetic.  Without a clear leader the electorate seems to default to a candidate’s abiltiy to understand our burdens, real or imagined.  It’s as if to say, “Okay, this is the best we’ve got.  Give us someone who will not lay on society any greater burden.” To liberals that burden entails moral responsibilities such as work, right and wrong, confronting evil, etc.  To republicans, the burden is government taxes, regulation, and any eminent threat posed by America’s enemies.  Both democrats and republicans want freedom as each defines it.

So, which candidate empathizes with you more?  McCain?  Hillary?  Most conservatives seem to think that candidate is Romney.  Given only Hillary and McCain, others like Ann refuse to choose empathy for the sake of keeping an (R) after the President’s name.  They see a threat to the republican party should McCain get the nod.  The republican party is the home of conservatism in America.  That is threatened by a McCain Presidency and that is judged a greater threat to advancing liberty in America than a President Hillary. 

I don’t entirely disagree.

To liberals that burden entails moral responsibilities such as work, right and wrong, confronting evil, etc.

Uhh,...huh?

Liberals destroy work. They have very little sense of right and wrong. And they have explicitly shown us over these last years that they do not want to confront evil.

The liberal burden is implementing their leviathan big government plans. Nothing more, nothing less.

If I can’t have Churchill, I’ll vote for Hitler. Ann Coulter - never known as a brainiac - isn’t a blonde for nothing. But she snickers up her sleeve all the way to the bank, relishing the role of conservative shock-jock.

The democrats must be loving all you if-I-can’t-have-it-my-way-I’ll-take-my-football-and-go-home types. Grow up.

Come November, we win or the dems win.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT TWO THINGS: WINNING THE WAR ON TERRORISM AND SAVING THE SUPREME COURT.

McCain is a ”traitor to the party!” (Republicans), so I will vote for a liberal Democrat!

How does one get one’s mind into that small of a box? Perhaps I err, in assuming there is a mind at all?

Hillary and McCain are identical on: taxes, borders/immigration, education, war (Hillary may claim to be against the war, but she has publically said she won’t end it and voted for Petraes), free speech, etc.

The difference is not in their record, but in their rhetoric. Hillary must pander to the far left....McCain must pretend to be a conservative.

Whereas Hillary may get opposition from Republicans, McCain won’t. We will get a socialist either way. If we elect Hillary, it’ll most likely get us a republican congress again. Liberals will be blamed for the socialist problems. If we elect McCain, Republicans will be blamed.

McCain is a wind blown fool. You spin the guy around three times and he’s not going to know which way he wanted to go.

Hillary is a hard core Marxist with one very left and very strong path that isn’t deviated away from.

The two candidates don’t compare too well.

I understand that McCain is a Liberal and that Ann might be extremely disappointed by what the Republican party is doing. However, Ann needs to calm down and rethink what she said. Hillary is a clearly a Marxist. Not to mention a political power crazed politician, who lies, cheats, and who knows what else to attain her goal of being the first woman President of the USA.

Proof,

As always, you once again prove yourself to be a clueless fool.

When was the Republican Congress at its most Conservative?  When was the Republican Party most united?  When were we the shining light on the hill?  When Clinton was POTUS.  Why, because rather than fight amongst ourselves, we united to do battle with a common enemy - Clinton.

When has the Republican Congress lost its way?  When did we start spending like Democrats?  When did we start heading towards the middle and become wimpy on every issue?  While Bush has been POTUS.  Why?  because he is a populist moderate and Congress went along to get along.

Proof, WHY do you think McCain has lost amongst Conservatives by double-digits in every primary thus far?  Why do you think that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin and Ann Coulter all oppose him so?

You Proof, are the kind of fool that would have argued in favor of wheeling the TROJAN HORSE into the city.

Zsa Zsa, I agree, of course that Hillary wants to turn this country into a socialist state.  I will support any Republican against any Democrat.  They on both sides are and have been voted upon by the general populace and we will have an election in November.  We are still free to choose.

Communism is evil

Hi Chief!

When do people decide to put principle above winning. There is not one little thing I trust about Juan-John McCain. If we’re going to have a center-left government, why not leave it to the professionals so that center-left doesn’t become the new mantra of the right (as the left slides increasingly further to the left).

Seriously, do any of you conservatives think we’re going to revert to traditional conservative ideology after a McCain “aisle-crossing” presidency. I’m not trying to be snarky, maybe I’m trying to have someone talk me out of my cynicism. Because I don’t even have enough confidence in McCain that he would put an acceptably strong, charismatic upcoming (or at least somewhat youthful) conservative in the VP slot. I’m hoping JC Watts, I met him at a function a few years back, and I gotta admit a little man-crush. Such a move would at least appear conciliatory and give conservatism hope for the future.

Anyway, everybody needs to take a breath and let pissed-off conservatives (not synonymous with republican) vent for a little while.

I love Ann.

""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Hi Zsa Zsa.  The elections in November will also include the House and Senate races.  Ann has a point, but John, who I supported in 2000 is not a communist.

Communism is evil

If Hitlery is elected, we can kiss 1/7th of the American economy away.  Hitlery will do more damage to the US for a LONG time than anyone else running for POTUS, except possibly Obama the closet Muslim.  McCain is truly not POTUS material and it may damage the Republican party if he’s elected, but if Hitlery gets in, most likely the dems will control both the house and the senate..... major damage will be done for decades to this country.  McCain will do no such amount of lasting damage.  This time around, it’s voting for the lesser of all of the remaining evils.  Let’s not forget the big picture here folks.

Hell has officially frozen over.

There’s winning . . .and then there’s winning.

http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-willards-queen-rat-and.html

Look, Clinton will govern center left like her husband did, especially when faced with a Republican filibuster in the Senate.

Here’s a quote from the “centrist” Hillary:

“I want to take those profits, and use them for the common good.”

Pure Marxism.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

The elections in November will also include the House and Senate races.  Ann has a point, but John, who I supported in 2000 is not a communist.

Juan McCain does support many socialist policies and socialism is simply the mid-step between capitalism and communism, so by his often standing with the Liberal-Socialists in Congress he may not be a registered, card carrying communist, but the tendencies and sympathies towards communism do exist in McCain’s record.

I will not vote for McCain! If elected for 4-8 years it will be a constant dripping of painful collaborations with the socialist Senate and House and a destruction of conservative principles.

Off point: The only thing Juan McCain deserves as a result of his torture in North Vietnam is the medals he already received, it does not qualify him to lead this country, POTUS is not a reward for past behavior. In fact, his sympathies towards North Vietnam in recent years and his communist sympathies, even going there several times, tells me he could win election in North Vietnam, a well deserved reward.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I am not sure that being the leader of the USA is a reward. It is almost like torture these days.

ZZ: You are right about that!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

In a socialist state, a central government controls major industry, communications, energy, the media, and education. A central bank controls all of the money. The people get less and less while being told that they are getting more.

The Rockefellers, major shareholders in the Fed, control Time Warner. Educational material and children’s books are among their holdings. They are Giuliani supporters.

The Rothschilds, major shareholders in the Fed, and Murdoch control FOX. Educational material and children’s books are among their holdings. Murdoch is a known Hillary supporter.

Eugene Meyer, who bought the Washington Post out of bankruptcy, served as chairman of the Fed and, later, the Worldbank. The Washington Post Company owns Kaplan, a major supplier of educational material.

Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group, venture investment channel for the Bin Laden family), is chairman of Westinghouse/CBS (electric and nuclear energy and satellite communications).

In every case, the owners of the major media channels are also involved in energy, education, communications, etc. All of these companies donated a total of over $10 million to the Bush 2000 campaign. They were prepared to donate more if it was required.

Hillary is a socialist but not because she claims to want to give things to the people. She has been seen buddying up to the Rockefellers. Whatever she gives will be funded by the Fed and you will end up giving it back through taxes, interest and inflation. The people end up getting nothing while the middle class is chipped away at. You will also pay for the economic stimulus plan the same way.

None of this will change if Obama, McCain, or Bloomberg are elected. The socialists actually
running our country are not in office.

Besides, Hillary is less of a conservative than McCain; she is a Marxist, in the full Stalinist mode.

There is do doubt that Clinton would facilitate legislation that most of us would find deplorable.

So would McCain.

The difference between Clinton and Stalin, with regard to their ideological status, is that Stalin was a dictator.

As such, there was no separation between himself and his own legislative and judicial powers.

What some on this thread believe, as Ann does, is that given a Clinton or McCain choice in the gereral election a calamitious four years is in the offering.

Is it better to have blame put on the delirious Clinton or the mistakenly heaped on conservatives.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

The difference between Clinton and Stalin, with regard to their ideological status, is that Stalin was a dictator.

In the first place, I didn’t say that Hillary was Stalin, only that she is Stalinist.  She is a wannabe dictator, though:

“I want to take those profits, and use them for the common good.” - Hillary Clinton

The meaning of Stalinist, is that someone rules by eliminating their competition, ruthlessly, which certainly applies to Hillary.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

If he were a Democrat, McCain would be considered a conservative Democrat, while Hillary, although she masquerades as a “centrist” or a “moderate” Democrat, is actually a wannabe totalitarian, who seeks to eliminate all dissent from her desires, especially anything from the Republican side.  With her as President, we would have no voice in govt at all.
Think about it.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

If he were a Democrat, McCain would be considered a conservative Democrat…

R108,

What you say is true.  But Zell Miller, Sam Nunn, Scoop Jackson and the rest didn’t go out of their way to stick their finger in the eye of their party’s loyalists, as does McCain with such obvious relish.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat: Are you sure you want to include Zell in that group?  He did speak at the Republican convention, after all.  I didn’t mean to make any such parallel; my point is that McCain isn’t anywhere near as far left as either Hillary or Barack, or as is the Dem Party in general.  Republicans, however, consider him to be pretty liberal.  It’s a matter of context.
Besides, as illustrated by the “purge” of Joe Lieberman for far less than McCain has done, the Stalinist Dems are much quicker to jettison any break in ranks than are the Republicans.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

R108,

Despite is obvious and well founded sadness at what the Democrat party had become, Zell has never considered himself anything but an American, a Marine, and a Democrat.

Besides, as illustrated by the “purge” of Joe Lieberman for far less than McCain has done, the Stalinist Dems are much quicker to jettison any break in ranks than are the Republicans.

Which simply proves once again the point that there is nothing particularly democratic about the Democrats.  The party of diversity and inclusiveness is anything but.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

In the first place, I didn’t say that Hillary was Stalin, only that she is Stalinist.

Never said you did!

With her as President, we would have no voice in govt at all.
Think about it.

I have thought about it. I also have an enduring faith in our constitution, as I know you do.

People in this country have blamed conservatives for the lack of restraint shown by Republicans.

If the meliorate McCain is elected, coservatives will again be mistakenly blamed.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

I’m surprised I had to read so far down the comments to find someone saying what I’ve been thinking- Bill Mitchell. He is absolutely right (at least this time). A President Hillary could soon be boxed in by a Republican Congress in two years time.
I think the Republican party would collectively grow a pair again, at least for the while she was in office. With McCain in office, we’d get more aimless wandering in the ideological wilderness. Hey- it’s not the outcome I want either, guys, but with Fred out, what are we left with? And I have little use for Romney, either for that matter- National Review be hanged.

I’m with you, Good Old Boy.  Sports teams often go through “rebuilding years” where they’re not so much focused on winning games as developing talent.

I think the GOP needs a few “rebuilding years” to find its soul again.

By the way, forget your log in?  Yer naked without your avatar.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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On a(possibly) humorous note, the sometimes irascible but lately jocose McCain will appear side by side with endearing and lovely HR Clinton on Fox News Sunday.

Should be a real love-fest.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Bat: Well said; I only wanted to compare and contrast the Dem treatment of Zell with the Republican treatment of McCain for similar “treachery”.  McCain might receive the Republican nomination, while Zell has vanished from sight, as far as the Dems are concerned.

"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

As always, you once again prove yourself to be a clueless fool

BTW, Shill. I know that logic has departed you and you have nothing but name calling. Still, it seems infantile even for you!

You… are the kind of fool that would have argued in favor of wheeling the TROJAN HORSE into the city.

You, Bill, are the kind of fool who plays with used Trojans! Have fun with all your scumbag friends! ( Be sure to wash your hands before you eat!)

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Proof,

No one on the this side of the aisle thinks Clinton would be a good thing for our country.

But McCain could also screw up things up. If, or when, he does I don’t want some fence-sitting, liberal-leaning, boorish plebe of an independant to get the wrong impression that he is conservative.

One of the biggest of all myths,(and I hear reporters, commentators and pundits repeat it over and over) is this: ‘the american people are smarter than that.’

What a crock!!

If you removed most of the people on this site and all conservatives across the nation to some remote island, the national I.Q. would drop to that of a protist.

There. Now don’t yell at me, my head hurts.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Uhh,...huh?

Liberals destroy work. They have very little sense of right and wrong. And they have explicitly shown us over these last years that they do not want to confront evil.

Exactly.  Liberals want freedom from these things.  They desire a government that will free them from the shackles of hard work, absolute morality, and the responsibility to confront evil.  In this sense, these are a burden to liberals.