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Sunday, February 03, 2008

Hillary Will Garnish Your Wages If You Don’t Buy Healthcare

George Stephanopoulos had to ask her three times before he got an answer, but Hillary finally confesses that her socialized medicine plan will have an ominous-sounding “enforcement aspect” for people who don’t want to buy health care insurance.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Will you have fines for people who don’t have health care, who don’t go by the mandate? Will you garnish their wages?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me interrupt you there. … I still haven’t heard if people can afford it and they don’t buy the insurance will their wages be garnished? Will they have to pay fines?

STEPHANOPOULOS: I want to bear down on this question one more time…. Will you garnish wages of people who don’t comply, don’t buy the insurance?

SEN. CLINTON: George, we will have an enforcement mechanism. Whether it’s that or it’s some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments.

Forget about the cost of government-provided health care, which by itself would be such an enormous expense as to require massive tax hikes and widespread medical service rationing to be even feasible, can you imagine what the enforcement aspect would cost us?  It would likely mean a whole new federal agency - likely under an existing branch of the federal government - that would exist for no other reason than to track down those of us who don’t have health insurance and then force us to pay for it.

In a country where tracking down people who aren’t citizens is a hassle, this seems like a boondoggle just waiting to happen.

And then there’s the question of freedom.  Why can’t Americans choose to not carry health insurance?  Sure that’s probably a bad decision in a lot of instances - I for one wouldn’t be caught without insurance - but does not freedom imply the right to make bad decisions as well as the right to make good ones?  Some would respond by saying that people without health insurance end up driving up costs for the rest of us.  But that’s a problem with a system of medical care that makes the collective responsible for the decisions of the individual.

To fix that, we need merely hold the individual responsible for the consequences of not having health insurance.  But, of course, things like individual responsibility are anathema to liberals.

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gonzo on February 3, 2008 at 12:56 pm

This is nothing new for Hillary the Stalinist.  In her first healthcare scheme, there were pages and pages of penalties for those who didn’t obey her “mandates”.

When you lose your freedom to say “no”, you lose your freedom.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 3, 2008 at 01:07 pm
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For you readers of F. Hayak in the Road to Serfdom--one of his warnings about the socialistic system: The system is designed as a one-size-fits-all, and most importantly, everyone will conform to the system.  So, for “free” health care (government provided) we the people will give up some of our freedom.  Keep in mind that Hillary and her ilk are the same people who are “so afraid” of our NSA listening in on phone calls from terrorist source countries.  We can’t trust our gov’t with phones, but we can trust them with our health care, and schools, and retirements,etc. etc.

halatbis on February 3, 2008 at 01:39 pm

Of the people who are in the country legally (and make no mistake - liberals are FOR taxpayer-financed health insurance for illegal aliens) only a very small percentage are without health insurance because they cannot afford it.  How much sense does it make to legislate a sweeping new government program that restricts freedom and will cost an enormous amount on the backs of the taxpayers just to solve a problem that only affects a minute percentage of Americans?

iAMbs on February 3, 2008 at 02:31 pm
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Of the people who are in the country legally (and make no mistake - liberals are FOR taxpayer-financed health insurance for illegal aliens) only a very small percentage are without health insurance because they cannot afford it.

That’s a great point.

See, the liberals need you to need the government.  The victim mentality is at the very root of the liberal agenda.

First they convince us all that we’re being victimized by one thing or another, then they ride to our “rescue” on white horses made of tax-funded subsidy and entitlement.  They tear down the ideals of individuality and self-reliance and replace it fear and dependence.


The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

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Rob on February 3, 2008 at 02:37 pm

If this were not such a serious event it would be amusing to watch Hillary and Obama try to out-Marxist each other.

I pray most Americans are aware of what they stand to lose in this election.

Mickey on February 3, 2008 at 05:13 pm
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This was a horrible mistake on her part, and telling wage earners that they’ll be forced to pay.  Inadvertently being honest and saying “she’ll go after wages” will hurt her badly on Tuesday. Just inexcusable - a mistake Bill never would have made.

Sweating Through Fog on February 3, 2008 at 06:53 pm

This is no surprise at all. It is all Hillary’s, and damnit to hell she will control it and you will submit and THAT IS IT. Her plan in the ‘90s created 28 new Federal Laws concerning enforcing the “no pay” socialized healthcare system. And the majority of them were to punish doctors and medical service provoders, not criminals of any kind.


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2Hotel9 on February 4, 2008 at 04:53 am
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Where is McCarthy when we DO need him?

Wm. B. Stateler on February 4, 2008 at 06:58 am
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Government run healthcare WILL be a boondoggle, no question about it, like Mediscare/Medicaide.  Frankly, I’ve had enough of government doing things for me...they’ve already done enought “to” me.

Rob Hogan on February 4, 2008 at 07:41 am
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I am so afraid of Hill-Bag.  I would actually consider moving to Canada if she gets elected.

I hope the rest of the government officials are listening to the people who voted them in and when she tries to push this, they reject it because the people they represent really do not want the government telling them who they can see and when they can see them for a personal health issue

JR on February 4, 2008 at 08:30 am

I am so afraid of Hill-Bag.  I would actually consider moving to Canada if she gets elected.

BRAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHBHBHAHAHAHAAAA


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realitybasedbob on February 4, 2008 at 08:39 am

boob, we are, as so rarely happens, in agreement.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! This comment smacks of absurdist irony so much it is comical.


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2Hotel9 on February 4, 2008 at 10:30 am

BRB…I’m gonna go check to see if hell is icing up yet


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on February 4, 2008 at 10:41 am

I wish all the people who are threatening to move to Canada would.  None ever do.

I never thought I would see the day when Repubs would threaten such a thing.

If you move it will make more room for hard working immigrants from MEXICO to risk life and limb to take your place in our economy.


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Gene on February 4, 2008 at 10:41 am

WooHoo, I just passed 700 comments!

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realitybasedbob on February 4, 2008 at 10:49 am
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Phuck Hillary and her socialized medicine. Phuck Hillary and her “enforcement clause.” Phuck all of the socialistic panzie tyrants. There is a cure for liberalism...REVOLUTION, THE BLOOD OF TYRANTS, and SECESSION.

LoLoLoLoMaN on February 4, 2008 at 06:03 pm
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Comment from Mark Steyn: “Today, the political platforms of at least one party in the UnitedStates and pretty much every party in the rest of the Western world arenearly exclusively about… government health care, government day care,government this, government that. And if you have government health care,you not only annex a huge chunk of the economy, you also destroy a huge chunk of individual liberty.” ---Mark Steyn
Attention liberals: See the part about individual liberty? That’s what will happen with more government involvement.  And you thought your freedoms and liberties were being destroyed by Bush.  Pull your heads out of your…

Rob Hogan on February 6, 2008 at 08:56 am

Gene - I never thought I would see the day when Repubs would threaten such a thing.

Who?

Besides the ONE in this comment thread.

likwidshoe on February 6, 2008 at 09:05 am

Attention liberals: See the part about individual liberty? That’s what will happen with more government involvement.

Mr. Hogan,

What you seem to overlook is that to liberals, individual liberty is, at best, a secondary consideration… if that.

If individual liberty, and the responsibility and consequences that go with it, were of anything more than passing, lip service, importance they wouldn’t BE liberals to begin with.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 6, 2008 at 09:15 am

For lefties, individual independence is the enemy.  How can they implement all their grandiose govt schemes if people have the right to say “no”?


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 6, 2008 at 09:21 am
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The only freedom liberals want is freedom from the moral responsibility that is characteristic of liberty.  They wish to be free to abort children and escape the responsibility of both parenthood and acknowledging the rights of the unborn child.  They with to escape the responsibility of work and instead redistribute the fruits of others labors.  They wish to escape the responsibility of dealing with the reality of evil in the world.  The wish to escape the reality of universal moral absolutes and instead force everyone else to accept their own relative morality at the expense of the unalienable rights that afford each person true liberty.  The wish to escape the excellence and achievement that results from liberty and instead exalt mediocracy.  To liberals socialism and even marxism is freedom.

HG on February 6, 2008 at 09:44 am
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