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“crack down” on computer-generated cartoon sex.

Maybe we can get Grand Theft Auto to computer generate a “blue-stained dress” that a cartoon Hillary can blame on a computer generated “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”?

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

So what we’re left with is a situation where parents and politicians weren’t concerned when the came consisted of punching hookers in the face and/or murdering them

Where have YOU been hiding?  Parents and politicians have been making noise about violent video games for years and years.

[Feet make good soup!]

How about getting upset about the liberalism that’s led to tons of teen violence, sex and pregnancy in real life?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Every kid who plays violent video games wants a real gun, sword, battle axe, and/or knife. All of the adults that I have met in metro areas who play violent video games also own guns. Most of the guns have never been fired. The adults get the guns out and just look at them, sometimes load them, and talk about them. They have never been hunting but lie and claim to have been. They sometimes secretly carry their guns as they take fantasy trips on paths in wooded areas near their homes. They talk about how they would blow the heads off intruders into their homes. An engineer and his wife, in an area that has never had a robbery, let alone murder, ritually goes through the process of loading their guns and laying them on their respective nightstands every night before they go to bed. They share and laugh as they play Grand Theft Auto. The only thing that these people are ever going to shoot is each other, their children, or you. I am more worried about these people going nuts at work than I am about some one breaking into my home. I found myself wanting to carry a gun when I visited their home for barbecues or parties. I have felt safer in bad areas of Brooklyn, Chicago, and LA. I stopped going.

We, sometimes, are forced to protect children from parents who are so irresponsible that they are dangerous and harmful to their children’s development. Violent, sexually explicit video games have no redeeming value other than to give pleasure to people who have latent psychopathic thoughts. Any parent who buys Grand Theft Auto for their children should have their children taken from them. Any adult who buys Grand Theft Auto should be forced into therapy.

Unfortunately, it’s difficult for some of us—me—to resolve our disgust for shameless political pandering (Hillary) with the conviction that the mass media, video games included, degrade our culture and invite government intervention by their deletrious effects.

The only thing that these people are ever going to shoot is each other, their children, or you. I am more worried about these people going nuts at work than I am about some one breaking into my home. I found myself wanting to carry a gun when I visited their home for barbecues or parties.

Based on their history of going nuts and shooting people indiscriminately! What a dweeb! ews48: You should definitely stay away from parties and barbeques given by gunowners. These guys could snap at any second! / sarcasm

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Hillary should be more upset with Oval Office oral sex.

What’s funny is, the game has a Mature rating for “Sexual Content”. The actual nudity in the game was from a patch made by someone other than Rockstar. So, it’s not like the Parents didn’t know there would be sexual content, and it’s not like Rockstar put nudity in. It’s all BS.

We, sometimes, are forced to protect children from parents who are so irresponsible that they are dangerous and harmful to their children’s development. Violent, sexually explicit video games have no redeeming value other than to give pleasure to people who have latent psychopathic thoughts. Any parent who buys Grand Theft Auto for their children should have their children taken from them. Any adult who buys Grand Theft Auto should be forced into therapy.

There are a lot of things that have no redeeming value. That includes most TV, video games in general (unless they’re learning games), junk food etc. We don’t take away kids because YOU disagree with the way the parent was raised.

The violent video game can be a cathartic experience, a way to blow steam.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

It is simply impossible to ignore the link between violent games and increasing adolescent violence. As a high school school teacher I can tell you that this is not a ‘nanny-state’ issue! This is a direct assault on our kids and our culture by hollywood liberal game and film makers who then run and hide behind the skirts of the ACLU claiming ‘freedom of the press’ while they rake in millions. If there is a single issue on the planet behind which moderates and conservatives can unite, I hope it is this one!
Mitt Romney has called these games filth and HE IS RIGHT!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Somehow coming from Mitt Romney it sounds more legit. When Hillary says it, it conjures up images of Bill sitting around playing it (with himself). It is because of her husband that oral sex related diseases became prevalent at an epidemic proportions. Gosh I hope we don’t have to endure the Clintons again!!!

It is simply impossible to ignore the link between violent games and increasing adolescent violence.

The surge in adolescent violence started a few years after single parenthood(mostly single mother homes, no father to impose discipline) became common.  That, together with the denigration of men and masculinity committed by American feminism, is, IMO, a much stronger contributer to such violence.  Video games(violent ones) came later.
The VVG are undoubtedly causing further disruption in an already disrupted situation, but I don’t think they are causal.  Absent fathers is probably the cause.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

"the entire point of GTA is marauding around a town killing, stealing, beating and maiming.”

Kinda reminds me of the Bill Clinton administration.

If you play this game, is there a button you can mash to make Bill’s pecker go limp?

Robert108: All of the causes you have listed are 100% valid, but video games are insidious in that they legitimize violence and sexual depravity through aural, visual and tactile stimulation: powerful stuff for kids with no men in their lives. I am proud that Mitt Romney has said he will go after these filth peddlers and I hope our other conservative candidates do likewise.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

EB, HA!… Gosh that is funny! As funny as that is, it is soooooo true.

I don’t think the President of the United States should be as worried about whether my TV has a ”V-chip” or what video games my kids are playing, as much as what policy will be set not to create more single parent families or what needs to be done to keep American families safe from enemies both foreign and domestic.

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Amusing that this is coming from the woman whose husband taught all of America’s teenagers that oral sex really isn’t sex.

pparets - It is simply impossible to ignore the link between violent games and increasing adolescent violence.

What link?

I think you need to look towards the “Great Society” to find the link. Violence, single parent households, and free-falling educational scores have been the result.

We currently live in a society where boys aren’t allowed to be boys. They’re doped up with Ritalin or Adderall and made into zombies. Good BB guns have been all but outlawed where before they were commonly owned among the young set. “Cops and robbers” or “cowboys and Indians” are deemed politically incorrect and could get the police called.

So is it working? Is the government nanny-state solution working? It’s understood that you don’t see this as a nanny-state situation, but what else can it be? Besides that, look at the track record of the government. The government should have nothing to say about video games. They are not our parents and every time they try to be, they fuck it all up.

Robert108: All of the causes you have listed are 100% valid, but video games are insidious in that they legitimize violence and sexual depravity through aural, visual and tactile stimulation: powerful stuff for kids with no men in their lives. I am proud that Mitt Romney has said he will go after these filth peddlers and I hope our other conservative candidates do likewise.

The percentage of kids who play violent video games and then go on to commit violent acts is very small. It’s more likely that disturbed kids gravitate towards violent games than games causing violence.

The violence stems out of the welfare state, absent fathers, slum life, lack of rule of law, and other factors...any contribution by video games is negligable.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Kenny: I don’t think it is possible to solve a problem by going after the effects; the cause must be rooted out to make any progress at all.  I object to this type of grandstanding by any politician, because it distracts from the real cause, makes people think they are doing something(when they aren’t) and wastes resources that could be directed at the cause.  Not good, IMO.  I think Hillary and Mitt are guilty of the same thing.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

It is simply impossible to ignore the link between violent games and increasing adolescent violence.

I don’t think such a link has ever been proven.

And by the way, all the carping about video games being a waste of time comes off as rather crotchety to me.  There’s nothing wrong with video games.  They’re no different than card games or board games or any of the zillion other things we all do to entertain ourselves.

And the violent video games today aren’t all that different from the violent pretend games my uncles talk about playing in their youth.

The more things change, the more they stay the change.  All this outrage about video games has more to do with the generation gap than anything being really wrong with the games themselves.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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If the games are so bad, let the parents do their jobs and take it away or forbid the kids to play with it. Are we so stupid & incapable of raising our own children that we can’t decide for ourselves. Congress does not need to make a law about video games.

I think that this is one of those politically correct issues. Hillary just wants to act like she is real moral so she is making a Big government deal out of it.

Are we so stupid & incapable of raising our own children that we can’t decide for ourselves. Congress does not need to make a law about video games.

Exactly right, Zsa Zsa.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob:  It wasn’t that the games your grandfather played were different, it was that he was different. Or have you forgotten the Virginia tech killer who was obsessed with violent games? There simply were no people like that in your grandpop’s day. I am aware that you are an affecianado of video games and thats fine, because you were raised to have a moral compass and you have intelligent discernment. Unfortunately, many kids have neither of those traits or a home in the sense that you or I understand it; hence the games have a profound affect on them.  Please don’t drag out all the usual ‘stepping on our rights’ stuff; we’ll just have to agree to disagree. But I will be ONE VERY HAPPY CONSERVATIVE when congress bans the sale of violent games to minors.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

I think the mass murders are created out of the publicity given to the mass murderers before them.  The losers are sitting there dreaming of a way to go out in glory then some other idiot shows the way.

These seem to be more prevelent now days, but they were there (water tower shooter comes to mind let alone Luby’s cafe.)

It’s much like before the Munich Olympics high profile terrorist acts weren’t seen often.  That spawned a number of other terrorist activities.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler:  Well said! There can be no doubt that the media frenzy which follows violence often generates further violence. It is yet another factor in a troubling list of causes.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

pparets, surely the sale of violent video games to minors is already banned, hence the rating system.

I have to say that this just seems like Hillary trying to find common ground (with conservatives) where there is none.

Violent video games in my experience of them are no more violent than many of the shows that kids watch on prime time television or the games they play in the playground/ back yard. Look at Power Rangers. Okay, there’s no blood and no one dies, but the violence is there nonetheless. Kids don’t have to do all the stuff in these games that they can do and half the time it wouldn’t occur to them to do them anyway. I have played San Andreas with friends’ kids and they didn’t even consider it, because they had no understanding of sex.
(I eagerly await the newest GTA game.)

If we are going to ban violence in video games for minors, then we should ban our minors from being exposed to ALL aspects of violence.
(This is the [feminist] moral high ground, but then I sound a bit like a pinko leftist liberal arsehole, which is scary and something I don’t agree with.)

I, personally, grew up in a single parent family, with less of a positive male role model than many of my peers. I can appreciate the damage that such an upbringing could have caused to many others, but for me it wasn’t too bad.
I don’t think that single-parent families are necessarily causal in childhood violent behaviour, but it can be a forcing.

Please tell me if the situation is different where you are:
When I was a kid (early eighties), all the other kids that I knew were able to play out, on the streets, roaming around, going to the park.
These days with the MSM’s over-coverage of paedophiles, murderers, rapists et cetera there is a general perception that society is much less safe than it used to be and as a result many parents don’t allow their children to play out at all. They are not allowed the exercise and stimuli that they so desperately need and frustration sets in. I would suggest that this is a much more likely cause of violence in children, this and bad parenting (single or dual).

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

If I had the technical knowledge to do so I would design a video game that has Bill Clinton bagging interns. After each “score” he would walk down the hall and blow cigar smoke in Hillary’s face.

Precious.

FireandLight: There is a vast difference between playing ‘Indians and Cowboys’ or watching Power Rangers and emersing one’s self in a video game where the object is to mutilate, kill, rape, rob or beat a virtual human, driven by aural, visual and tactile stimuli. And, unless I am mistaken, the so-called ‘rating system’ is a self-imposed, otherwise useless panacea created by the industry and not imposed by government. The simple fact is undeniable: Too many twisted kids - Columbine, VT and the Nebraska Mall - were addicted to such games.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Since millions of kids also play those games and don’t go on to commit violent crimes you need to show that these losers wouldn’t have committed their acts otherwise.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I could use the example that all of the columbine types ate fast food in the week before the attack.  Must we ban fast food?

Certainly a dumb example but it does make a point.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Robert, I’m not disagreeing with you. It’s like the old doctor’s saying...we need to treat the disease, not the symptoms.

Rob:  It wasn’t that the games your grandfather played were different, it was that he was different. Or have you forgotten the Virginia tech killer who was obsessed with violent games? There simply were no people like that in your grandpop’s day. I am aware that you are an affecianado of video games and thats fine, because you were raised to have a moral compass and you have intelligent discernment. Unfortunately, many kids have neither of those traits or a home in the sense that you or I understand it; hence the games have a profound affect on them.  Please don’t drag out all the usual ‘stepping on our rights’ stuff; we’ll just have to agree to disagree. But I will be ONE VERY HAPPY CONSERVATIVE when congress bans the sale of violent games to minors.

Pparets, you say it right there. “It’s not the games. It’s the people.” You can try to dress up this pig, but it shows that even you realize that the other factors are more important. They aren’t taught morals or are taught the wrong morals. They have a bad home life, et al. At the end of the day, that you can point to disturbed people liking violent video games no more proves a connection than if you could say that serial killers liked soda. Causation does not equal correlation.

Violent people are drawn to violent video games. That means that the violent games speak to them, not that the games make them violent. If you seriously believe that the Columbine kids would not have done what they did without Marilyn Manson, or the V-Tech shooting without Grand Theft Auto, you are seriously deluded.

Moreover, the “there were no people like that in your granddad’s day” pap is pure nonsense. The days of prohibition were an especially fun time. Cement shoes, mafia hits, et al. We certainly cannot blame THAT on video games. There have always been evil people who do heinous things. My old man told me stories of soldiers in his unit returning home and getting killed by anti-war protestors. Hell, going back even further, we see such monstrousities as Vlad the Impaler, Henry the 8th, Mohammad, John the Little of the First Crusade, etc.

Out of everything, the video games have little to no effect. Healthy kids don’t go out and commit a murder because of playing a violent video game.

Ever.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Whistler:  Violent video games use virtual reality - and that term DOES have meaning! - to emerse the mind of the player in violence. No one is suggesting that every kid who plays becomes a murderer, rapist or thug, but many do.  And many more become desensitized to such events. You know that as well as I do.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Oh, and violent games are not allowed to be sold to minors. Any store that sells such games to children can be severely fined. That all came about after the GTA: San Andreas patch nonsense.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Children do go out much less because of a mother’s fear and the side-effect of American culture to not really endorse a ‘village’ type feel in our neighborhoods.  Many Americans don’t know many of their neighbors on a personal and comfortable level.
The opposition to a conservative’s view that violent video games begets violence is that these video games actually appease and satiate our kids’ violent urges.  Violent video games LOWER vioelence… Not my view.  But with modernism it makes a good case.
Most kids who play violent video games are sane enough not to do anything too drastic. The numbers of the nuts who crack are rare and few.

What is there really left to do?  Spread awareness?

Whistler:  Violent video games use virtual reality - and that term DOES have meaning! - to emerse the mind of the player in violence. No one is suggesting that every kid who plays becomes a murderer, rapist or thug, but many do.  And many more become desensitized to such events. You know that as well as I do.

True, ever since Donkey Kong I’ve had a need to jump over barrels.  Doesn’t effect me too much.

On a serious note, these kids are likely to go wrong anyway.  To restrict the lifestyle of millions because of one screwed up kid is the wrong way to go.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Dirl: The “rare number of nuts who crack” is not the issue: its the the vast number of victims that they kill which is!  32 at VT, 13 at Columbine and 8 at the Nebraska Mall. According to phorensic investigators, all of these ‘nuts’ sgared one common denominator - they were all addicted to violent video games.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

And they all had eaten French Fries from McDonalds.  Now if we can prove that eating the French Fries made them do their nefarious deeds then we can start to make them switch to curley fries like at BK.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I’ve been doing some reading. There have been an awful lot of school and spree shootings in the last twenty years, although the number of shootings in other countries (even those with equal or higher gun ownership rates) is dramatically less than those in the US.

All the same suggested forcings must exist in many more countries throughout the developed world, yet their rate of spree killings is much less, but why is that?

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Pparets, unfortunately the kind of mentality that leads government (and in particular Hillary Clinton) to restrict violent video games is synonymous with that which leads them to restrict guns. Is that what you want?

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

I’ve been doing some reading. There have been an awful lot of school and spree shootings in the last twenty years, although the number of shootings in other countries (even those with equal or higher gun ownership rates) is dramatically less than those in the US.

All forms of violent crime are higher in the US than in other countries.  It’s a societal thing.  We’re something of a warrior/wild west culture over there.  It’s just who we are.

But it has nothing to do with violent movies or video games, unless you’re suggesting that such things don’t exist in other countries.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Fire and Light:  In most parts of the world, children still live in two-parent stable homes.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Not at all Rob, completely the opposite actually. I agree with you.
The only factor that I can see that cannot apply in any other country is culture.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

I’m pretty sure gun violence in schools has decreased since the 80’s (maybe because of our increased attention to the issue)in America.  Contrary to what we think would have happened.
Any ideas on what else could account for that?

Pparets: I’m not really sure on what your core arguement is in response to mine, but what do you propose we could or should do?

pparets, in the developed world, divorce rates and numbers of single parent families are still high.

As Rob said:

We’re something of a warrior/wild west culture over here.

Accept who you are and then look to the solutions.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Kids playing lots of adult-rated video games=lack of parental supervision and responsibility for what their kids are doing.
If the only input a kid gets about the world is through violent video games, it will definitely affect behavior.  The question is: Why is that their main input?

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Rob: “Its just who we are” !!??  32 dead at VT. 13 dead at Columbine.  8 dead in Nebraska. Please don’t tell me thats who we are!  The frequency of mass murders has increased dramatically in this country in the last ten years; far, far more than in other countries, in spite of the availability of guns over the last 240 years. So, lets think here… what could account for this?  In your article, you finished by saying, “Thats their problem”. Try saying that to the families of the 53 victims I listed above. No fathers, no families and virtual killing = the perfect formula.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

dirl126, Here is the wikipedia page listing well known school shootings. Thirty in the last twenty years, seven in the preceding twenty years. This is just the well known ones however.

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Dirl: “Core arguments” I think I made it clear that investigators found that all of the killers were addicted to violent video virtual-reality games. What part of that did you not understand?  What to do? Exactly what Mitt Romney has proposed: Go after the manufacturers of ‘that filth’. I am not aware of a single video game on the planet that is worth more than one human life, much less the dozens and dozens killed by “nuts” inspired by GTO and worse. Violent games should be sold to adults only! Do we allow the sale of guns to children?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

Upon second thought, Pparets is right.

We are overlooking the most far-reaching effects of video-game violence in our perspective towards the issue. 

Devastatingly cruel things have happened.  They need to be gravely taken into account.

ManofFireandLight:  Sorry, but i will not take Wikipedia as a valid source.

And I go with DIRL on this one:  Wikipedia is a farce.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

...gun violence…

How is that different from any other kind of violence?

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

R108: Um, what?  Gun violence certainly differs from using your fists

Dirl: “Core arguments” I think I made it clear that investigators found that all of the killers were addicted to violent video virtual-reality games. What part of that did you not understand?

Pparets,

This DOES NOT MEAN games are to blame. As Whistler mockingly said:

And they all had eaten French Fries from McDonalds.  Now if we can prove that eating the French Fries made them do their nefarious deeds then we can start to make them switch to curley fries like at BK.

Furthermore:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08/31/virginia_tech_no_link_to_violent_games_/1

NO links were found between Cho and violent games. The ONLY game they could confirm Cho played is Sonic the Hedgehog. Since he didn’t run around in a ball, that didn’t cause it.

Columbine predated the most violent of video games by years. Doom causes violence? Not quite.

And after a quick search, I found nothing to link the Nebraska shooting to games.

In short two out of the three things you claimed aren’t game related. The third is only related in that the parents sued game makers to deflect blame from themselves.

Your case REALLY sucks.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

pparets - So, lets think here… what could account for this?

Apparently Sonic the Hedgehog.

Scary! I’m feeling murderous just looking at the hedgehog.

You pulled the “According to phorensic investigators, all of these ‘nuts’ sgared one common denominator - they were all addicted to violent video games.” out of your ass.

R108: Um, what? Gun violence certainly differs from using your fists

In what way?  Do you really think that if a violent person can’t get a gun, the violence just goes away?  You confuse the weapon with the real cause.  Guns don’t cause violence; over 95% if privately owned guns are never used for any criminal purposes.  Violent people use whatever weapon they can get, but they are still violent.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Gosh! You guys were having quite a discussion without me! Sorry! I was playing my new first person shooter, admiring my gun collection and making a list of exactly who’s going with me when I go postal!
(Now, ews48 will need some clean, dry undies!)

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

The Virginia Tech shooter was an adult and could legally purchase adult video games.

Zsa Zsa:  The VT shooter had been playing violent video games since the age of 13.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

pparets… It sounds like the parents did not do their job. Parents need to take responsibility for their children. There are already restrictions on videos. Are you saying ban the videos all together? We don’t need Congress to tell us how to parent children.

Zsa Zsa: The absence of affective parents is exactly the problem here! The Nebraska shooter was in and out of countless foster-homes. Dylan Kliebold’s parents ignored the signs. Most violent kids come from single-parent homes and spend hours playing violent videos. And NO!, I am opposed to banning video games for the same reason I oppose gun-control! But, we don’t sell guns to children and M-rated violent video games should be sold only to adults.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

pparets - Zsa Zsa:  The VT shooter had been playing violent video games since the age of 13.

According to whom?

You might want to check the facts instead of continuing on with this false meme of yours. Go ahead and check Chapter IV - Mental Health History of Seung Hui Cho. Go on down to page 32. Here’s what it says:

He was enrolled in a Tae Kwon Do program for awhile, watched TV, and played video games like Sonic the Hedgehog. None of the video games were war games or had violent themes.

Now what? Blame TV?

Zsa Zsa:  The VT shooter had been playing violent video games since the age of 13.

I already shot you down on that with this link:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/08/31/virginia_tech_no_link_to_violent_games_/1
It links directly to the report. No violent games were found in his room, and no evidence could be found to corroborate that he was a gamer.

Backup links:
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/19/no-video-games-found-in-vt-shooters-dorm/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/24/DDG4PPCNHL1.DTL

You’re ignoring the fact that I proved you wrong on this.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

And even if he had been a gamer, so what?

Your original point was that engaging in mindless murder of innocent people is what screws up kids. Counterstrike is a game where you are a counter-terrorism expert (the good guys) taking out terrorists. In online play, the people respawn. It is no different than cops and robbers or paintball. It’s just an electronic version so you can get fat and lazy while playing.

And furthermore, playing a game doesn’t teach you to shoot a gun. I can think of only one first person shooter that I’ve played that had a recoil effect. Reload is automatic and quick. You don’t have to hold the gun or really aim. There’s no weight, no discomfort, no human variables like wind, or trying to look thru the sights while moving. Even if violent video games could increase violent behavior, they CANNOT teach one how to use a weapon.

After Mortal Kombat, kids did try to rip each otehr’s heads off. Samurai Warriors didn’t make kids pick up kitanas and take out their lil sisters and brothers. But because GTA has guns, and Cho had guns...IT MUST BE GTA! Even if he...you know...never played it.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

I think this bit about one politician or the other focusing on video games or guns is simply political grandstanding to buy votes.  The deeper problems of society are relatively unreachable by political means.  The term “political solution” is an oxymoron.  Hillary and Mitt want you to think they care about kids, but if they really did, they would do something about the welfare system that has destroyed families and the incentive to achieve and to live a good life.  It’s much easier for a politician to focus on something superficial, while making promises to improve things, than to actually do the hard work of undoing the mistakes of the past.

Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

Hillary and Mitt want you to think they care about kids, but if they really did, they would do something about the welfare system that has destroyed families and the incentive to achieve and to live a good life.  It’s much easier for a politician to focus on something superficial, while making promises to improve things, than to actually do the hard work of undoing the mistakes of the past.

Amen.

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

For Hillary, you know it’s merely posturing. The Dems are in bed with the Hollywood “anything goes” Left and the ACLU. Are violent video games any worse than the violent, horror, slasher schlock and promiscuous sex that gets fed to our youth on a daily basis from Hollyweird? Censorship, anyone???

With Mitt, I suspect it’s also posturing, but with a little more sincerity...and poor judgment on his (or his campaign’s) part.

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Democrat State Senator Jon Erpenbach is now talking about a tax on video games to fund “rehabilitation programs”. All for that never proven “link between violent games and increasing adolescent violence”.

Taxes: the Democrat solution to everything.

tax on video games

How about a tax on “R” rated movies? We could use that to fund sex addiction seminars.
And we all know that childhood obesity is a problem...probably caused by kids sitting in theaters, how about a tax on “G” rated movies, too, to fund playground equipment? Of course, we could levy that same tax on videogames as well!
And a “Twinkie” tax, a cable TV tax (don’t want the young ‘uns watching too much tube!), a tax on TV receivers (same reason), a tax on Oprah (30 million fat housewives there !)Maybe we could tax contestants on American Idol? (I’m not sure why, but there sure would be a lot of them to tax!)
What hath the Democrat Party wrought?

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Proof: SHHHH!!!

Don’t give them any ideas. You start talking about different taxes and the Democrats’ ears perk up. The thing is, they actually seriously consider these silly taxes. For all that’s right man, don’t give these people any tax ideas!

R108:  Do you really think that if a violent person can’t get a gun, the violence just goes away?

Of course not.

You took my quote out of a statistic so the adjective ‘gun’ was used to specify the statistic.
I was not getting into the musky waters of violence with or without guns.  I was trying to describe the statistic in concise terms.
You took my arguement and made a new one.  I’m only sorry that I didn’t tell you earlier.

You took my arguement and made a new one. I’m only sorry that I didn’t tell you earlier.

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