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Monday, May 19, 2008

Hillary Has Lead In Popular Vote When All Votes Are Counted

Interesting:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is entering the Kentucky and Oregon primaries on Tuesday with one of the most pugnacious political messages of her campaign: That she is ahead in the national popular vote when all votes are counted, including from the unsanctioned primaries in Michigan and Florida, and that party leaders who have a vote as super-delegates should reflect this level of appeal.

I think this speaks to the swing state problem Obama is going to have.  He’s probably going to win the Democrat nomination, but when he does he’ll have won it without support from Florida and Michigan - key swing states both - that not only would probably have pushed the contest in Hillary’s direction but are probably going to influence the general election.

When you add that in with Obama’s weakness in places like Ohio, Tennessee and Pennsylvania you begin to see the problem.  Obama doesn’t have broad support from moderate Democrats, or even moderate Americans in general.  And without that kind of support he’s not going to win a general election.

Heck, were it not for Florida and Michigan having to sit this primary season out he might not even have the Democrat nomination.

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The Democrats who spent 7 years wailing (wrongly!) about “count every vote”, are now about to disenfranchise approximately 6 million of their own voters.

Now that is some truly weapons-grade hypocrisy… even for Democrats!


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 19, 2008 at 09:23 pm
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Republicans think they are making a point by suggesting Democrats wont vote for Democrats. 

I think it’s safe to say that a small percentage of you voted for McCain, and yet you will be voting for him in the GE, wont you?

Quit pretending that you are making a valid argument. 

The Democrats will unite around Obama when the time comes.  Or at least most of them will.

Hannitized on May 20, 2008 at 12:22 am

Barack Obama and “God Damn America” are good friends. Of course he doesn’t have support among broad swaths of moderate Democrats.

At least, I hope not. Some Democrats are adamantly insisting that they all love the “God Damn America” guy, which gives teeth to the theory that moderate Democrats are a dying breed.

Democrats are now people who rally around the guy who loves this country so much that he wants to “take it back” and “change” it. Just don’t question their patriotism as they aim to fundamentally change this country from one of independence into feudal socialism.

Maybe the Democrats have embraced change. They’re now an anti-American party who espouse appeasement with hope only in government solutions.

Barack’s “change” and “hope” certainly do mean something this election cycle.

likwidshoe on May 20, 2008 at 01:58 am
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Barack Obama and “God Damn America” are good friends. Of course he doesn’t have support among broad swaths of moderate Democrats.

John McCain and Hagee “I hate fags and Muslims” are good friends.  Of course he doesn’t have support among broad swaths of moderate Democrats either.

They would instead vote for Obama, who actually condemned the controversial statements, while John McCain let them slide.

Hannitized on May 20, 2008 at 03:16 am

Count every vote.

The new message: “change”, “hope”, “God damn America”.

likwidshoe on May 20, 2008 at 03:50 am

John McCain and Hagee ... are good friends.

Yet another false equivalence from our resident liberal! Who woulda thunk it?
McCain/ Hagee does not equal Obama/ Wright.
A child could see the difference!



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Proof on May 20, 2008 at 04:28 am
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Yet another false equivalence from our resident liberal! Who woulda thunk it?
McCain/ Hagee does not equal Obama/ Wright.
A child could see the difference!

Youre catching on.  Obama condemned Wrights statements, McCain, to this day has not. 

There is little equivalence between the two, because Obama is a far less the offending candidate.

McCain hates himself some Muslims and queers.  And that ought to shore up some solid numbers from the bigoted Republicans.

Hannitized on May 20, 2008 at 04:39 am

There is little equivalence between the two, because Obama is a far less the offending candidate.

No!  There is “little equivalence” because McCain has not spent 20 years as a member of Rev. Hagee’s church with a documented record of tax deductible contributions spanning that period, as is the case with Obama and Rev. Wright’s Trinity United.  Situationally speaking, a more pertinent point of comparison would be the endorsement of Obama’s candidacy by the Islamist terror group, Hamas.

This, on the other hand,

McCain hates himself some Muslims and queers.

is exactly the sort of vile, unsubstantiated attack by innuendo that gets sanctimonious liberals all atwitter when the target is a Democrat, proving one again the sheer hypocrisy of those on the Left.

Still, it is comforting to know that those on the “progressive” Left are so predictable in their virulent intolerance.  As is usually the case, when a leftie makes a partisan accusation, its a pretty safe bet that they are themselves guilty of that very same offense.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 20, 2008 at 06:01 am

Back to the topic, I don’t see how the Democrats are going to win by blocking out two states of primary voters.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on May 20, 2008 at 06:30 am

I don’t see how the Democrats are going to win by blocking out two states of primary voters.

Whistler,

Michigan may be a toss-up come November, but there’s little doubt that after the post-2000 whining that Democrats did over Florida, they can kiss that state’s electoral votes good-bye again this year.  Any candidate who won’t go out and fight for the votes (Obama) just isn’t likely to get them.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 20, 2008 at 07:15 am
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Bat,

There is “little equivalence” because McCain has not spent 20 years as a member of Rev. Hagee’s church with a documented record of tax deductible contributions spanning that period, as is the case with Obama and Rev. Wright’s Trinity United.

What a fantastic picture you have painted.  Unfortunately, you can’t change the fact that McCain still has not condemned the statements made by Hagee, while Obama has repeatedly.

Therefore, not only is Obama actually addressing concerns of the public, unlike John McCain, but he is also distancing himself from the controversial statements, while John McCain selectively criticized some of Hagees statements, and leaving the rest open for interpretation.

I’ll take the guy who says what he feels, and suffers the consequences of possibly loosing votes (Obama) vs. the guy who is too cowardly to consider the possibility of losing votes by condemning controversial statements of a pastor who has endorsed him (McCain).

Situationally speaking, a more pertinent point of comparison would be the endorsement of Obama’s candidacy by the Islamist terror group, Hamas.

Another example where Obama shines while McCain falters.  Hamas may actually listen to a person whom they respect.  With McCain he can actually make a bad situation worse.

This is why Liberals believe in Obama, while Republicans strive desperately to ignore these types of realities.

You have just cited a clear example of the leadership you claim we imagine.  Leaders influence others and can make real change.  Appeasers just make their constituents happy and worsen the situation by either making things worse or making no change at all.

is exactly the sort of vile, unsubstantiated attack by innuendo that gets sanctimonious liberals all atwitter when the target is a Democrat, proving one again the sheer hypocrisy of those on the Left.

Funny, your logic.  You think you can condemn Obama for having ties to a person who said things Obama has openly disagreed with, but excuse another who has selectively chosen controversial statements to condemn, and ignoring the others. 

What I offer is simple deductive reasoning, while you on the other hand offer wild speculation. 

Shrug.

Still, it is comforting to know that those on the “progressive” Left are so predictable in their virulent intolerance.  As is usually the case, when a leftie makes a partisan accusation, its a pretty safe bet that they are themselves guilty of that very same offense.

Ah, more wild speculation. 

What else can you offer when deductive reasoning is something you are unable to apply?

Hannitized on May 20, 2008 at 09:33 am

Hillary’s supporters will not take the rejection peacefully. I’ll make a wild guess that 25% to 30% of her supporters will not vote for Obama, if they vote at all. This will negate any talk of a close race.

The republicans need to continue pointing out Obama’s weakness on national security issues. When Obama gets mad he trips up and when he is forced to explain himself he exposes his lack of experience and knowledge.

Mickey on May 20, 2008 at 09:47 am

The Republicans need to continue pointing out Obama’s weakness on national security issues. When Obama gets mad he trips up and when he is forced to explain himself he exposes his lack of experience and knowledge.

Mickey,

Why limit Obama’s weakness to national security issues? The fact is, his utter lack of experience or accomplishment leaves him weak on virtually any issue.

I can’t think of a single issue on which I would consider Obama to be suitably experienced or accomplished.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 20, 2008 at 11:53 am
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